Great short version Joe as there is so many line options vs fly size. I really like that you talked about fly size because manufactures seldom tell the purchaser about what sized fly let alone tip the line can handle.
That’s how a 2021 professional fly shop needs to sell their stuff. You run out of the Max power in 500 & 525g on your site. Best deal in the market Thank you
I have a 525 MAX Power sitting on my desk that I took out of inventory, if you want it call and its yours! 509.933.2300 and ask the team to grab it off my desk!
Great guide for those looking into what line they might want. I just got the 2 Skagit shorts and the metered running line I ordered from you guys today. Now I have to wait for my day off on Sunday to hit the "S" river. Presidents weekend was always a good time to hit the river in the past so I'm hoping it holds true again now that it re-opened.
@@redsflyshop Thanks, I missed it so much. My last good, full season was 2007. Then life and work took over and I missed most of the 08 and 09 season before the closure. It is nice to have it open again.
I cannot reciprocate enough the importance of setting up the right line and accepting even some error or finding a shop to let you demo. Recently bought a real nice $400 rod off Craigslist from someone for $100 because he hated the rod. I re-setup the 12.5ft 6wt with a mono running line and airflo scout, holy moly it’s amazing! Texted the guy, he said he wanted to try it, met him out at the river and he couldn’t believe it was the same rod. Funniest rod purchasing experience ever.
Can you please do a video on Switch rod lines? Great video, as usual, thanks. If it wasn’t for you fellas taking the time and effort to help me out, I’d have spent a lot of money on junk.
Thanks Joe. Great info. I have been playing around with various shooting heads on my Burkheimer 6128 down in New Zealand for the past two years. For what it is worth, here is my quiver of lines (with reasons) 1. SA Spey lite intermediate 420gn - intermediate head for casting big stuff and getting low and slow in winter (On an integrated line on a seperate spool) 2. AIrflow Rage 420 - a crossover between Skagit and scandi - ideal for windy days and when I want to do both Skagit and Scandi casts with medium size flies 3. Rio Scandi head (36 ft) - for summertime swinging when the trout are feeding through the water column 4. Scandi 3D 390gn (F/H/I) - for scandi casting small flies and getting below the surface in slightly deeper eg 3-4ft water.
..Also a Airflo FIST 450gn (with 1.5 feet cut off the back) for getting even deeper than with the Spey lite (although this was purchased before I got the Spey Lite and doesn't see much use these days)
You've done a really nice job of getting tuned in on your setup. These high stakes fisheries deserve some prep time, this quiver of lines didn't happen overnight. My hats off to you for your preparation. Nice job on that.
It's a really fun place, complete with restaurant and bar haha. We have a great spot here and converted our basement into a shipping/fullfillment center so it works great for both pro-shop and e-commerce.
I have a TFO Pandion rod , 13'3" . It lists 500-650 grain on the rod. When selecting skagit heads, do I need to get a head that is already in that weight range, or do I need to know the grain weight of the tip section as well, and add the two?
That is a big window, I'm guessing you have an 8 weight. We don't carry TFO rods but that window usually includes traditional and Scandi weights. Skagit will always be a bit heavier. If you shot for a 600 Grain RIO Skagit MAX Launch head you'll be good to go. Fish either T-11 for T-14 tips (MOW medium or heavy will work), try one of each and tune it to your liking. Here is a link to the line I like, redsflyfishing.com/products/rio-elite-skagit-max-launch-shooting-head
Oh at that length, skip the poly and go straight up mono to Scandi. That will give you plenty of adhesion to the water. Great question! Perfect leader for that BTW.
Any of the MOW Light tips would be great, you can run pretty much any tip 10-15' in the 80-96 grain range on that rod. The RIO InTouch Replacement tips are actually tapered and cast extremely well. So many options there. Check 'em out. Both the 10' and 15' are on this page. redsflyfishing.com/search?q=replacement+tip
My head is still turning. This whole DH stuff just is so complicated. Why isn't there for example just one universal name for tips instead of MOW or Versa leaders?...
Oh yea there is a lot of static here. Well the MOW is a specific type of tip, it's hybrid floating/sinking is what's unique about it. You can have a 10' tip that is part floating/sinking which makes it unique. Depending on your choice there tips that only 2.5' sinks super fast allowing you to get down a foot or two and maintain approximate visual contact on approximately where your fly is. Most Skagit heads require a full 10' tip in order to cast properly, but anglers often want only 7.5', 5', or 2.5' of sink tip. These come in Light, Medium, or Heavy depending on your rod weight. Versileaders are basically just a leader that sinks, not really intended for Skagit use are not built with fly line material. This is a lot of info, probably just made things more confusing.
Haha, fair statement. This is a pretty niche video for anglers already using two-handed rods. Don't sweat it. You don't need to know this intel unless you are setting up a specific type of rod.
Really knows his stuff and communicates his points so well.
Kevin, THANK YOU. When I get into this techy stuff I am terrified that it will be too hard to follow. Much appreciated!
Very, very well explained. The best video I have seen so far with very clear explanations. Well done!
Thank you, I'll have to update this soon. Really appreciate the nice comment. Tight lines!
Great short version Joe as there is so many line options vs fly size. I really like that you talked about fly size because manufactures seldom tell the purchaser about what sized fly let alone tip the line can handle.
Thanks Robert!
Another phenomenal instructional video, Joe! Great job, as always, brother!
Thank you! Really appreciate it.
That’s how a 2021 professional fly shop needs to sell their stuff.
You run out of the Max power in 500 & 525g on your site.
Best deal in the market
Thank you
I have a 525 MAX Power sitting on my desk that I took out of inventory, if you want it call and its yours! 509.933.2300 and ask the team to grab it off my desk!
@@redsflyshop I’ll send you a email now about the power
Max, thank you Joe
Great guide for those looking into what line they might want. I just got the 2 Skagit shorts and the metered running line I ordered from you guys today. Now I have to wait for my day off on Sunday to hit the "S" river. Presidents weekend was always a good time to hit the river in the past so I'm hoping it holds true again now that it re-opened.
Good luck over there, what a great opportunity!
@@redsflyshop Thanks, I missed it so much. My last good, full season was 2007. Then life and work took over and I missed most of the 08 and 09 season before the closure. It is nice to have it open again.
I cannot reciprocate enough the importance of setting up the right line and accepting even some error or finding a shop to let you demo. Recently bought a real nice $400 rod off Craigslist from someone for $100 because he hated the rod.
I re-setup the 12.5ft 6wt with a mono running line and airflo scout, holy moly it’s amazing! Texted the guy, he said he wanted to try it, met him out at the river and he couldn’t believe it was the same rod. Funniest rod purchasing experience ever.
That's great!
Can you please do a video on Switch rod lines? Great video, as usual, thanks. If it wasn’t for you fellas taking the time and effort to help me out, I’d have spent a lot of money on junk.
Yes absolutely James, great idea.
Also, all those Steele head flys 🤩🤩🤩
Oh yes, we have the right flies.
Thanks Joe. Great info. I have been playing around with various shooting heads on my Burkheimer 6128 down in New Zealand for the past two years. For what it is worth, here is my quiver of lines (with reasons) 1. SA Spey lite intermediate 420gn - intermediate head for casting big stuff and getting low and slow in winter (On an integrated line on a seperate spool) 2. AIrflow Rage 420 - a crossover between Skagit and scandi - ideal for windy days and when I want to do both Skagit and Scandi casts with medium size flies 3. Rio Scandi head (36 ft) - for summertime swinging when the trout are feeding through the water column 4. Scandi 3D 390gn (F/H/I) - for scandi casting small flies and getting below the surface in slightly deeper eg 3-4ft water.
..Also a Airflo FIST 450gn (with 1.5 feet cut off the back) for getting even deeper than with the Spey lite (although this was purchased before I got the Spey Lite and doesn't see much use these days)
You've done a really nice job of getting tuned in on your setup. These high stakes fisheries deserve some prep time, this quiver of lines didn't happen overnight. My hats off to you for your preparation. Nice job on that.
@@redsflyshop thanks Joe. I’m sorry that you can’t sell me another line (yet). Maybe a faster sinking Scandi 3D or Rio Gamechanger at some point 😎
Outstanding presentation. Thanks for putting this together!!
wind is aso a big consideration for line choice...nice vid
Nicely done !!
Thanks!
Sweeeeeet! I want to go to your shop!
It's a really fun place, complete with restaurant and bar haha. We have a great spot here and converted our basement into a shipping/fullfillment center so it works great for both pro-shop and e-commerce.
That was a MASTERCLASS !!!!
Great video 👍🏻
Wow super helpful
Informative, the see through text on the left side probably wasn’t the best choice IMO 🤙🏻
Ok noted, thanks for the tip.
I would like set up my Tenkara rod for euro nymphing.
Could you send me a good setup description?
Thanks
Richard Hollister
I have a TFO Pandion rod , 13'3" . It lists 500-650 grain on the rod. When selecting skagit heads, do I need to get a head that is already in that weight range, or do I need to know the grain weight of the tip section as well, and add the two?
That is a big window, I'm guessing you have an 8 weight. We don't carry TFO rods but that window usually includes traditional and Scandi weights. Skagit will always be a bit heavier. If you shot for a 600 Grain RIO Skagit MAX Launch head you'll be good to go. Fish either T-11 for T-14 tips (MOW medium or heavy will work), try one of each and tune it to your liking.
Here is a link to the line I like, redsflyfishing.com/products/rio-elite-skagit-max-launch-shooting-head
Loop sells a tapered leader that is 15 or 17 foot long. Would I just attach that to the end of the scandi or is there a polyleader in between?
Oh at that length, skip the poly and go straight up mono to Scandi. That will give you plenty of adhesion to the water. Great question! Perfect leader for that BTW.
ok Joe, where do i get that Jacket ???
I have a G loomis nrx trout spey in a 4 weight with a rio trout spey line in 305 grain. What would be an ideal sink tip to run?
Any of the MOW Light tips would be great, you can run pretty much any tip 10-15' in the 80-96 grain range on that rod. The RIO InTouch Replacement tips are actually tapered and cast extremely well. So many options there. Check 'em out. Both the 10' and 15' are on this page. redsflyfishing.com/search?q=replacement+tip
My head is still turning. This whole DH stuff just is so complicated. Why isn't there for example just one universal name for tips instead of MOW or Versa leaders?...
Oh yea there is a lot of static here. Well the MOW is a specific type of tip, it's hybrid floating/sinking is what's unique about it. You can have a 10' tip that is part floating/sinking which makes it unique. Depending on your choice there tips that only 2.5' sinks super fast allowing you to get down a foot or two and maintain approximate visual contact on approximately where your fly is. Most Skagit heads require a full 10' tip in order to cast properly, but anglers often want only 7.5', 5', or 2.5' of sink tip. These come in Light, Medium, or Heavy depending on your rod weight. Versileaders are basically just a leader that sinks, not really intended for Skagit use are not built with fly line material. This is a lot of info, probably just made things more confusing.
And I’m more confused. There’s so many options for fly fishing.
Haha, fair statement. This is a pretty niche video for anglers already using two-handed rods. Don't sweat it. You don't need to know this intel unless you are setting up a specific type of rod.
If my rod is rated for 600grain skagit, does that mean the skagit head itself is 600 or is 600 the total between head and sink tip?
Good question, typically you'll run a 600 head plus the tip. So you'll be near 700+ grains. If 600 is the upper window, go 575 to be safe.