Leinster lose to Bulls: RTÉ Rugby panel analysis
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- čas přidán 10. 06. 2022
- The RTÉ Rugby panel of Bernard Jackman, Peter Stringer and Jamie Heaslip review Leinster's surprise loss to Bulls in the semi-finals of the United Rugby Championship.
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Thanks to the Irish (and others) for having our SA teams in your competition. I appreciate it's somewhat disruptive to the norm (for us too). But, it's been brilliant and I hope there are many exciting seasons to come.
Indisputable evidence that SA has deep resources of quality rugby players.
@@cnoc500 it's astounding that the SA franchises are able to be so competitive considering there are over 400 000 SA players playing overseas (as of 2020 stats), many of which are current Bok internationals. That blows my mind.
@@aldobonaso3481 we have a huge Ruby academy: our schools.
Don’t mind the URC .. but no way to the six nations .
@@moc7323..... Sadly money will dictate that
Growing up as a kid in the 80s and 90s the ultimate currie cup final was a WP vs NTVL final. Many moons later here we go again. New age Currie cup 😂
What about Natal?
I saw it as Natal and the Lions...
@@vahorgan Natal definitely best SA team of the 90s
In the days of slap chips 😁😁
@@vahorgan that's great, but the Currie Cup was about Northern Transvaal v Proooovince for decades.
South African teams taking the Irish , Welsh and Scots right out of their comfort zones . Can embrace the challenge or run away . Their call .
All South African final. STORMERS vs BULLS!
Loving the addition of the SA teams. Gotta get used to playing against the big boys.
And I suspect things may get worse next year for Europeans because mostly SA teams were re-building this year and had a very slow start adjusting to the new competition. Their confidence will be up next year. Will have a better understanding of these teams. Their teams will be more stable. More experienced due to the call ups for the Springboks. The Lions may get into the picture. Sharks may possibly get a new coach (I HOPE!!).
... but again the worst could happen for SA sides. They could lose players due to scouting. Even coaches... Jake White could go.
The Bulls have two of Africa’s richest men backing them. They also have 48 players out of the required 60 in their salary books so they can afford to pay players exorbitant fees. I don’t think they’ll lose players they want to keep.
Physicality is not about size, its about attitude. Our packs are often outsized in weight, but they still call us the more physical. South africans have pitbull mentality, we don't shy away from the fight.
I 100% agree. I keep hearing about these massive South African players, yet every time I watch them they look smaller. Props fairly evenly sized, often smaller locks and loosies, much smaller backline.
It's the attitude of not allowing yourself to let your team down. There's a lot of dirty play that needs to get routed out (stormers reserve lock in the semi for instance), but overall I do love the gladiatorial nature of SA rugby. It makes me not miss playing it🤣
Like Mbonambi said in the Two Sides documentary "Laat die honde los!"
South Africans, Aussies & Kiwis play Rugby the right way, fun physical, high skill and tactical, meanwhile in Europe (France to be exact) it's about forcing the error waiting for the other team to mess up, hence they always lag behind
@@kamelkadri2843 Very hard to agree with that. SA won the last RWC by defending well and letting their opponents make mistakes via pressure. They kicked more than any other side and trusted their D. Ireland and France attack as well as anyone at the moment. Ireland for example scored 24 tries in the six nations, almost 5tries per game. SA by contrast have averaged 1.5 tries in their last 5 games v Eng, Sco, Wal, NZ, NZ.
Wasn't the Leinster pack heavier than the Bulls? And the Bulls don't have great props - it's their weakest link.
The decisions to go for the lineout instead of taking three points when their lineout was under pressure is questionable decision making in the knockout stages of a tournament. Great if the line out is on form but last night it struggled. Been a fantastic season. Need to put the last two losses in the learning column and push on
Unforgivable to lose the late line out near sa line.
@@sawdoctony twice 🙄
...exactly the oposit critisism made after the Champions Cup final
It was sad seeing the domestic teams leave our competition but understandable and as a Kiwi living in Australia I can't wait for the clashes against the Springboks.
As the kiwi sides are realizing... playing SA teams prepares you for the physical battle, and sharpens you like nothing else.
Where SA teams are failing to evolve is that they struggle to put teams away when they are physically dominant, allowing teams to hang in there, and too often win games that they should not have had a chance in.
Leinster and therefore Ireland will definitely benefit from having to play teams like the bulls.
Thats bc rugby is not just bash and barge, need backs to score
@@hanoitripper1809 SA has enough quality backs, they just aren't too focused on getting themselves lethal on that.
so true,Saffa sides are physically strong and know it but when the moth stops wriggling the cat loses interest and they have never had that killer instinct.
@@markbrown-sb2zm they somehow don't polish that side of the game.
@@HenryDube72 they lose interest cis there isnt a physical battle .Its like two boere laaities being told to wztch forest gump.They come out saying watte kak was dit,no fighting or shooting .
Not a single 2021 Springbok in this Bulls side... Really quite a surprise.
Jake White master stroke
not enough blacks to pick from. thats why. Players like evan roos are too white for selectors
@@RabbitholeIsrael Jyt 'n mal hond se kak ge eet penkop. Watter swart spelers in die huidige Bok span hoort nie daar nie, volgens jou geleerde opinie? Ek dink die Bulle se sukses is meer 'n aanduiding van die diepte wat ons tans het. Dis wat ek probeer sê het.
Well I'm sure there will be a few new springboks woth the training camp that is happening soon.
Surprised? In terms of overall test match quality Ireland doesn't rank top 3. Our 2nd rate springboks matches them. Being surprised that a SA team overpowered a European team is surprising since that's our trademark
They've lost before in these stages, to Connacht, Glasgow, Scarlets: it's not the first time they've lost in a knock out game.
yeah, but they still got all that whiskey to get drunk of. It is not all that bad for the potato farmers.
@@corriedebeer799 What even is this comment?
Only Irish people are surprised but im not surprised as a South African. There's one rule in SA you guys don't know or do not take seriously. And that is, confrontational rugby. If you not up to the confrontation, we will win the game. It's that simple. Imagine Ireland beating the boks in a world cup game with most of Leinster players? Our scrum already will overpower.
True and thats why france havent beaten us since 2009,powerhouses of northern hemisphere but they cant live with our pack.
@@boks23 Paul willemse summed it up best. He had to leave in order to keep up
@@boks23 France were awful from 2012 to pretty recently tho
i.e. the Munster tradition.
I agree 100% with you
These saffa sides could lose ten players each and start from scratch ,as they do each year,hemeraging players like a gattling gun.The sharks are recovering from losing 7 players from the pack.
Its more than a patching job.
Well done to Jake for luring players back and Maybe Jayz can also wake up and poach from overseas instead of the Stormers.
THE BURRA WAY
The South African school system brings through talent like a conveyer belt. We have the best school rugby system in the world, rebuilding will never be an issue for us.
If anything, the northern hemisphere sides buying our best players(the ones playing for the Boks anyways) helps us tremendously, because it opens up slots back home for us to the develop new talent.
@@brolint8067 truer words have never been spoken
@@brolint8067 its true that it gets the talent out there into good coaching etc,but the teams would be better if they could gel and mature a bit over 3 or 4 years of consistency.The fact that it seems unnecessary in the ufc is alarming.
@@markbrown-sb2zm I disagree.
The current setup suits are really well.
With our bok players so widely spread out among teams across Europe, they interact with different styles of coaching and players. It gives us the variation we need.
SA will always bring physicality to the table, that’s a guarantee. It’s the other skill sets that needs development. If all our bok players played for say the Bulls, the national team would become too one dimensional. This was quite evident during the Bulls’ glory days. They had 10-15 bok players in the team just like Leinster’s team is full of Irish players, and it was great as a bulls fan, because we dominated Super Rugby. But in the long term it effected the Boks. We won the World Cup in 07 and had that magnificent year in 09, but after that, we fell off the bus. Had a 30 percent winning percentage in 2010, had a poor World Cup in 2011, and the rest after that is history.
The current system, which is there by design imo at the hands of Rassie since 2018, will benefit us massively in the long run.
Hows your school boy and varsity rugby in Ireland? We are a factory of rugby players here in South Africa.
Thanks for the warm welcome Europe. Look forward to seeing the growth and evolution of all teams. May iron sharpen iron👊 and look forward to seeing Aus and NZ struggle in the very new future😊
Hopefully the iron sharpen iron comment holds true. Well see how the European teams adapt to what they've faced
Ireland do not be so hard on yourselves, SA have a massive population of players who are yearning for a spot in a the provincial side. Look at the small population of people just living in Ireland and you guys are some of the best in the world. From a South African.
Well we do now coz we've just added 55 million to the eligible population 30 years back, which is only just starting to produce
Unfortunately, the question of physicality and adjusting the game plan are exactly the issues that the national side needs to resolve by the time the World Cup comes around. It is Ireland's consistent undoing on that stage.
good point. we may look back at this after the world cup and say it was in best interest of leinster to lose when they did
For these reasons I think having the S African teams in the URC may be helpful to the Irish in that department
We need a steroids programme
To my Ireland friends, just remember. Japan beat SA in a world cup. A well coached team can take out a top team, but does not mean next time it will be the same result.
Lol shame. We beat you🤣
@@Wxlker_Dl I am from SA.
*Irish friends. That's a very different thing, that sa side was mostly old & not at the top of their have, we seesaw that in the next few years to come hire they feel down the rankings with some horrendous performances. & Eddie planned for that game for 4 years, they knew that would be their big showing because they would've been ignored for the rest of the tournament
Just remember no Springboks in our team🤗🤗🤗🤗🤭🤔
You must have forgotten about Marcel Coetzee
Thanks for this competition to allow South African teams. My country really had been enjoying this more than our Super Rugby tournament. Good talk by this panel aswell. Well done to all teams
Think the Saffers winning this year was actually the best result for the URC as a whole, exactly what was needed to shake up the competition. Some good Irish / SA rivalries developing as well.
Of course you saffas are enjoying this comp. Your winning in the URC which is pretty rare these days considering Super Rugby you couldn't make the playoffs at all. Anyway well done Bulls.
@@thomaslynch7838 Yeah if a Saffa team didn't win then it could've been disastrous for the competition garnering fans in South Africa. First impressions are important, and this will stoke the fire
NukaRoach- You did not enjoy super rugby , because you could not beat the NZ teams the last 6 or 10 years you played .You left with your tails between your legs.Shame,at leàst you,are winning for a change in the 2nd division called the URC.😅😅😅😅😅
Disappointed with leinster performance, but the bulls deserve the win, real looking forward to next season urc and the champions cup. The south Africa teams will improve standards in both competitions
The Irish have some amazing talent from what I've seen in the URC so far and they will be battle hardened by the SA teams. It can only be good for them to come up against the Saffas regularly.
I look forward to hearing from Matt Williams.
Same here johan cant wait to hear what that windgat matt williams and damn paddy ger gilroy says.
Yeah! Nothing says deep rugby knowledge like a 3rd Rate Aussie never-was, whose gob is exponentially bigger than his playing/coaching record........
It's an ALL South African 🇿🇦 affair in the Final. The northern hemisphere is dominated by the South Africans.
Even La Rochelle did it with 3 saffas in the starting line up and we don't even want them in the boks they probably 5th choice in their positions. Power play
The URC doesn't have French or English teams so it's not really Northern Hemisphere is it 🙄
2 things
1)Jonny Sexton had a possible injury for most of the week and Ross Burne had performed for Leinster before in a knock out i.e Beating Exeter at Sandy Park he deserves to start
2) Ireland/Leinster need to make sure that set piece is solid going forward and have a plan A, B and C that doesn't include Sexton.
Sorry, Ross Byrne imo has not developed enough as an outhalf to merit being the starting #10 at Leinster. This was a carbon copy of his performance against La Rochelle in last year's European Cup semi-final - a demonstration in high pressure games that his thinking is too one dimensional. Contrast his 65 minutes yesterday with that of Sexton's 15 minutes - when did Leinster look most likely to score in that 2nd half? When Sexton put the Bulls rush defense back on their heels with deft kicking. Anyone can look good when an opponent is being hammered (eg Glasgow last week) but, when it's a tight high pressure contest then we see who has the tactical brain. Leo Cullen, Stuart Lancaster and, Andy Farrell are all having to face this reality for the Province and National Squad.
I like Ross Byrne he's good verse mid table teams but in the big games, he plays behind the gain line instead of sexton who plays on the gain line and Ross will go 3/4 phases and then aimlessly boots up the field, like none of his kicks were contestable's
Ross Byrne is simply not good enough.
Leinster and Irish rugby has been st the top for a while now.
The challenge is to stay there
Dr. Evil(Jackman) and Mini Me(Stringer) make a lot of sense! 😂
I am watching this 2 years later 19/06/24 after the Bulls again beat Leinster, this time Leinster was outplayed, the Bulls were very physical. Bulls through to the finals and Leinster out.
Missed the game never knew it was on thursday night
bit of a roller coaster couple of weeks for Leinster, knockout finals in two comps have caught up with them, having said that, they were beaten by the smallest of margins let's not forget that...
That was no small margin…they scored a try right at the end…80min…..that made it look like it was close…
Similarly against La Rochelle. They were outplayed and were lucky that La Rochelle needlessly conceded so many penalties. Only once did Leinster go for a try. When that did not work they elected to just kick penalties AND it almost worked. Ulster’s has also lost ro both Toulouse and Stormers by losing a lead to a late score. Munster too should have put Toulouse away. A common thread in there?
The Bulls were so dominant its not even funny
Is that your excuse ?small margin lol? Dude Leinster had a whole international squad bulls didnt have boks in the team etc yall played at home and still lost .using small margin as an excuse is funny as it only shows yall no match for us ...imagine without all those international players we wouldve given u a 30+ hiding....there is something for u to think about..and South Africa is winning the URC in the first year we joined 🤣🤣🤣thats sad yall got owned in your own comfort zones by the teams yall underestimated and critisized ....stop looking for excuses and what if nots....take the beating like a man and admit yall were outclassed by the "lesser" team on your owm turf...
@@d-stroyer6888 we know what we know as saffas bro. We got beat by our wanna be Boks. No wonder Ireland never make the semis of the world cup cos they all talk and no match. They claim to be the best but back down to Currie Cup level intensity. Freakin joke these losers
Leinster a very good coach team. They play just like the rod McQueen teams of old .love there systems .if south Africa's coaches could empliment what Leinster have done .than we will be world beaters
They should look at implementing what we do
The SA sides are far from full strength, the bulls and sharks got some cash injection and contracted some springboks , if the stormers and lions can get similar financial backing they can bring back lots of boks from overseas, just look at the 43 players in springboks squad lots of them play overseas and they can really strengthen the local sides. We got extremely talented youngsters but they need the guidance of these experienced springboks.
U dont understand rugby or u dont watch rugby at all.must be one of the two...because bulls literally have no boks (current boks) we just bought some good players that suits our style
@@d-stroyer6888 I never said current springboks maybe just read my last sentence they brought in experience players and springboks like Bismarck, Coetzee, Arno Botha, morne steyn, Lionel Mapoe even aplon before he got injured.
This is literally the opposite of what Rassie wants. He is on record stating that he wants the super stars to play in international clubs to free up cash in the SA franchises so that they can develop local talent.
@@diogeneslantern18 that statement from him was mire a dig at England as he was saying these south african players take the places of young English players, but the SA lions has shown you cannot be competitive with a under 24 side
Am I the only one looking at Stringer and Jackman and thinking “hmmmmmm get in ma bellay!”?
HAHAHAHA!
South African sides strength is their talent reserve. Our school rugby system is by far the best in the world. It all starts there.
that little guy hit the nail on the head. When more bodies in the ruck, you need to adapt gameplan. leinster struggled doing that.
That little guy is Peter Stringer, one of the best 9’s to play for Munster and Ireland.
@@patrickmccutcheon9361 as a South African i am surprised one of my countrymen doesn’t know Stringer…must be a youngster !
who's here and seeing DeJa'Vu😂😂😂😂😂
Hey you know rugby hasn’t changed over the hundred years. Bigger more aggressive men will nearly always overpower smaller men. Players like joe McCarthy there is what Leinster will need in Europe and against sth African teams . Our front row are not small and have so much potential but need to learn to play more aggressively. I think James Ryan is not up for playing against the big boys he’s too lean, very fit and intelligent player but he’s not powerful enough I would even but Baird ahead of him already. I hope the second row coming in from Munster will be change things next season. We’ve always needed big power in the past to be champs like Thorn, Elsom, hines, Le Roux, it’s needed. In the back row they are class but if we were lacking in power in the second row I thought they would of made up for it in the back row by moving Dorris to 7 or Baird to 6 or bringing Ruddock on earlier. Nothing against VDF he’s been amazing all season but it’s harder for smaller guys to use the space when the tight 5 aren’t giving you security. Look at the RB and HB every time they get there hands on the ball they kick the ball away too often you need to keep your hands on the ball, they aren’t the successors to sexton and we know that I think Frawley is a much better rugby player that the both of them, better attacking nice passing, can defend properly. He needs to be starting next season more at 10 or he’ll be wasted. They were missing lowes power against the bulls. Leinster aren’t miles off but Leinster need some young lads coming through who aren’t so lean .
Looking at the make up the discussion panel should tell you all you need to know. Priorities are not where they should be.
La Rochelle bossed the scrum. The bulls bossed the line out. There is no plan for that other than to improve your set piece. You can’t win if you are losing those set pieces at crucial moments. They are releasing quite a few players this summer I notice. They must be confident in the players that are coming through I can only assume.
Not playing Keenan and Sexton was a bit weird. O’Loughlin is one of those on his way and oddly started. Larmour at FB would have been much more interesting to see. O’Brien wasn’t that great under the high ball himself so there was nothing to lose there. Other than that what did anyone expect from the SA teams? Of course they were going to be top notch. Can only be good in the long run being exposed to that kind of rugby.
Bulls also bossed the scrum but the Italian Ref seemed to get scared. Porter was continually dropping his elbow yet Ref gave pen to Leinster...On once sequence Porter went to ground got back up and pushed again...Ref again gave Leinster the pen. Ref was badly out of his depth.
@@joshsmith3598 he must have had his reasoning. Let’s face it it’s often a lottery when looking at the scrums. Nobody seems to know what the refs are at half the time not even the players. They should use that arial cam where available as you can really see players boring in on it which is something everyone goes on about. Lineouts much more straightforward
@@joshsmith3598 interesting that you don't comment on the same referee repeatedly ignoring blatant obstruction by the Bulls, closing the gap at the lineout, illegal at the breakdown all day and even a knock-on directly leading to a try. He was absolutely awful and may as well have been wearing a Bulls jersey by the end
@@inBODwetrust13 lol bullshit. You got smashed by better players. Ireland bunch of third rate players let's admit making excuses when you get smashed is unprofessional.
@@joshsmith3598 they got dominated in the scrum at some points
Rinse and repeat two years later
WOW, two years on and its the exact same problems for Leinster. This video is as relevant today as it was two years ago and we continue to learn nothing.
The whole broadcast sounded like they didn’t think the bulls should have really been there. They repeatedly spoke of them being “one dimensional”. But those men are dogs. And clearly wanted it more.
NH cannot mange the physicallity of South Africa teams they are now exposed to it.
Tough to take, but great for the tournament and next year.
Watched some early in the seasons, South African teams were being recket by everyone unable to win a single match came back to see both teams in the final are South Africa What happened!
You’re overthinking it. That’s your downfall. Saffas play with instinct.
And our instinct is overpower and outmuscle. Can't they see it?
@@sherwinaugustus9458 I think they expected the saffas to play like the books(kick all the time), but they forgot that these teams played in Super Rugby where the ball moves through the hands a lot and sidesteps are an everyday thing.
Steroids is more than just "instinct"
@@inBODwetrust13 shame prove that you sore loser we smashed that bunnys
Of course we shouldn’t give too much weight to one game, Leinster put a lot of work and resources into the champions cup, Bulls less, but it also showed that Ireland, even though they do great, still have a long way to go.
Leinster is 3/4 of the Irish national team, most of the best Irish players play for Ireland, even their bench is (almost) full of important Irish internationals. But still they lose to the bulls, even with some of their best players out. Only 2 players in the Bulls 23 were part of the World Cup squad, only one made the 23 regularly and played in the final.
The Irish do not come close to the Saffas in terms of depth, not yet.
What did you Irish fans aswell as the British press say at the beginning of the season? Sorry I don't remember, please remind me
Urc not on same standard as super rugby
No doubt. That bulls team probably be beaten by Crusaders or Hurricanes in NZ
@@sherwinaugustus9458 Well they would probably be beaten by Leinster in Dublin too, just weren't this time.
@@Camcolito just a shame they were out muscled and overpowered by our third choice boks. No wonder Ireland is shit cos Leinster is considered their best team.
@@sherwinaugustus9458 you're forgetting that New Zealand had their best players playing in New Zealand and South Africa had their best players playing in European teams. So of course the New Zealand domestic teams are gonna win mostg games.
@@iam.tshiya6302 well taken point.
as a Saffa,Im worried when two green teams are 1 and 2 in the competition,with the sharks a hair behind.
I sincerely hope the non South African teams get stronger physically and get better,because being right at the top in one year seems far too easy and I worry about the quality of the opposition.
Maybe this is what happens when you take jetlag out of super rugby ?
Saffa teams travell
ing to Oz and Nz had hetcic jetlag and longer tours than nz and oz.
Would’ve been good to get the top 4 from URC and 4 from Super rugby and have a finals series
Irish sides will have improved next season.
@@hanoitripper1809 sounds good in theory,Im missing the nz and oz teams but not the jetlag.Easy to travel from east to west but us travelling west to east was a huge disadvantage.
@@hanoitripper1809 it sounds messy to be fair. South Africa is in the URC now so the only way it will work is if they come back to Super Rugby
I think most teams in the Super 12 and 14 when South Africa were in it, were fairly even. It was just that the Crusaders were too good over the years to be honest
I like this new trophy. It is a high quality trophy.
All South African semi-final next year?
Let's hope plus an All SA HCC Final ;)
Cullen and Lancaster need to go. They've taken Leinster as far as they can. A fresh and motivated coach would be great.
I really hope your wish does not come true.
Rugby heritage
Heffner should've been the Head Coach for Leinster.
What's this week excuse?
Did you not watch the game? Or is this just some sour grape muncher comment?
@@fawltyoldboybasil.2178 don't worry about him, just a sad munster fan who cant accept leinster aren't even concerned with them any more
Outmuscled, overpowered and outclassed by a 'world class' coach. But my problem is this: Leinster knows SA teams will bring it no matter what. They didn't think SA teams wanna outmuscle and overpower every opponent? Of cos that's our bread and butter right there. Arrogance if you ask me. Heavily overrated. I miss super rugby already.
@@sherwinaugustus9458 Probably best then that you don't have to watch the URC anymore. Sounds like you have a mild case of the vapors.
@@fawltyoldboybasil.2178 Ouch. Feelings! You ok today?
I am a Sharks fan. The thing you are missing is that the South African teams all hit their stride in the final stretch of the competition. The Sharks, Bulls and Stormers looked to have no chance of making the top 4with 6 games left yet they bullied their way into the top spots. All of them had momentum. The rest of the league need to look at themselves. They allowed the SA teams to power their way into the knockout rounds. They should never have been allowed to do what they did
so what happened in SR?
@@brucefale6132 top of the log when it got cancelled and 16 17 18 in the finals
@@bulkoutloader2550 top of nothing dude.
When was the last time a SA team won a title?
@@brucefale6132 sharks was too of the log. And there is when we were in finals lately. Sonwhonwere the teams behin that team that was in the finals?
@@bulkoutloader2550 the least you can do is make sense.
Are you speaking German?
Respect the Bokke. Dont get too comfortable.
….The Bulls had a legitimate try disallowed and the 50/50 decisions were all going Leinsters way. The ref tried hard.
Same with Stormers. The European bias is concerning
No they weren’t. Every ruck the bulls sealed it off and were off their feet and they jumped across every lineout. The ref even gave a bs pen at the end of the game instead of calling for a scrum which gave the bulls the w
@@Nieljoyceniel The SA sides have had to adjust to the refereeing interpretations of the Celtic nations' Refs...not calling it outright bias, but the average SA viewer notices that so many of the 50/50 calls go to the European teams, and the refs tend to prevent us playing to our strengths, ... the Irish ref of the Stormers/Ulster the same ... so many small things add up...e.g. the "penalty try", then reverts to a straight try with a difficult conversion attempt...
@@krlauf5307 he is Scottish and if you can clearly see a grounding it’s a try, not a pen try
Nonsense 🙄
Thanks to Irish people you are great the way you take a loss not like the kiwis with long faces better luck next time
Bulls looked alot more aggressive and physical stronger, especially in the front pack, need to start living of a South African Diet. South African teams are going to be alot more harder to play against in the future.
We eat a lot of red meat, a lot!!
you are spot-on.
People only focus on the Northern Hemisphere Teams having to adapt and improve certain elements of their Game.
the South African Teams had to adapt massively. they just to be adapting quicker.
totally non-competitive in the beginning of the Season to highly competitive in the second part !
ALL Teams will adapt, learn, improve, benefit going forward !
Rugby is the ultimate Winner !
This can only be good for the league
It can be simplified like this, the Bulls are neither better nor worse than Leinster, it was Complacency and a strong Bulls performance. Leinster has forgotten that this isn't the league of a couple of years ago, where the only threats were Ulster and Munster.
I'm surprised that the northern hemisphere teams and pundits didn't see this coming. There was always this talk about super rugby vs northern hemisphere tournaments and now we know. SA were always gonna dominate. We are world Champs for a reason even if the rest of the world don't wanna accept it
You sound like a muppet.
Leinster are under enough pressure until it comes to semi finals/finals.
As a Saffa, it's pretty tiring hearing this constant criticism from Irish commentators. We get it, everyone wants to win. Leinster are a quality side and simply lost on the day. Any other day the result could have been opposite. Here's an idea, maybe congratulate your boys for a change?
@@TrendzSA preach
Give The Springboks a Six Nations spot it or extend it to 7
Should have started with Sexton. Too confident that its going to be easy.
Lekker Bulle!!!!
The URC is mutually beneficial for everyone involved. European sides will benefit from playing SA sides regularly, and vice versa. All those stubborn South Africans and Europeans who don't want to embrace the URC are all idiots. Financially, this has been the best season in many years. Growth can only take place when you're out of your comfort zone. I'm looking forward to a very long, and very successful partnership between SA rugby and European Rugby
Why does these people think that they can beat SA..
I expected the SA teams to dominate. This was their first full season after lockdown and they did this. Next season will be worse for the northern teams, South Africa has way too much talent and very few teams.
Am sure the South African sides will go well in the URC. I expect the irish sides to be better reflecting their international successes. As for the European Champions and the Challenge Cup are very different tournaments than the URC. The competition’s merge and so squad management will be key. Also they will have to get used to playing teams from the other tournaments. I wouldn’t assume that South African sides will dominate, sides like Racing and Stade are filled with stats and talent. The English Premiership sides are a different challenge too. But I think they will make for Some great games
Leinster won as many trophies as the Ospreys this year. Irish in rugby in crisis.
Deffo has a new challenge. Thank god it's come now rather than at the World Cup
I don't think ANY Leinster players had ever played a game at LOFTUS, or maybe even at altitude.
That is not the sort of place you just rock up and play your game. It's a very hostile place and your lungs burn like you would never know, plus you are getting SMASHED for 80.
Quite amusing comment below by the Jamaican now from England on the match Stormers v Ulster. A blind man could have seen the pass to Baloucoune for his try was well forward. Why should we not say this was for the thousands time that three UK officials conspired to corruptly cheat a team. Again we are so annoyed at UK rugby officials cheating a SA, Italian, French or Southern Hemisphere team.
Mike Adamson also did not for dirty play give Madigan a card for falling with his knees on Gallant after his winning try. Whether the conversion was over or not it should have been a penalty to the Stormers on the half-way-line. If the conversion missed a successful kick could then also prevented extra time. A card for Madigan would in extra time left Ulster with 14 men on the field. Adamson did not round off the game properly according to the rules !
Also why did the TMO and the assist. ref not inform Adamson about Madigans dirty play. Obviously because they are cheats !
I also think Sexton came on too late
The Irish rugby players potato flavored salty tears in a joy to behold. Say hi to your wife from me the next time you beat her after going on a booze binge. CHEERS ALKIES! From the republic. (That place where we actually know how to play rugby.)
don't be a poes
It's as if the pundits think it's unfair that the SA packs are more powerful...weird. The Bulls front row, all uncapped, had to face a full international front row...and Leinster supporters whinging .
All Leinster are missing is 4 big locks .. 2 on the field and 2 subs .
They’d be hard to beat then ..
They buy those locks and it's Ireland that suffers. And big locks don't come often in Ireland, if at all.
@@PyroManSir Just get them from South Africa. There's no shame in that.
And a tighthead and flyhalf too. Also an inside centre and an 8.
@@n-tertainmentx-tended4760 hahahaha, everyone else want to
@@n-tertainmentx-tended4760 Leinster won't do that because IRFU is telling them to train Irish qualified players. If they buy a big lock, that's one less lock that can play for Ireland. Leinster probably want to buy those locks jut someone upstairs is telling them not to.
Ireland rugby will benifit from playing SA sides in the long run. Especially playing them in SA, there is nothing like it. You can see the affect it has on the all blacks as their provincial sides no longer play or travel there.
Gwan Munster...! Sweet revenge following the sneering behaviour of the Ulster fans last week...!
Heaslip was watching a different game. Bulls if not for one of their players falling over himself are up by 3 scores deep into the 2nd half. Bulls were the better team despite the Ref handing Leinster scrum pens.
Exactly
Lol, what a lot of crap by the panel, so funny 😆
Typical SA fan.
@@johnmc3862fk yeah -3 WCs
@@johnmc3862 irish fan here, Gavin is spot on.
Remember the Irish clubs were the main advocates for South Africa joining the URC in the first place and they canvased for their inclusion in the European competitions as well. The French and English didnt want them in. There is a lot of ugly comments and ungracious utterings coming from South African keyboard warriors on message boards in general. I understand that the more uneducated South African rugby fan needs a convenient villain and the Irish clubs fill that role but please show a little bit of respect. Both semi finals were lost by a combined difference of 3 points and on another day could have gone either way. Congratulations to the two South African teams in the final.
@@johnmc3862 Lol, I'm Scottish mate. Dry your salty tears. 🥲
Ross Byrne is not up to the standard
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Chill
Hahaha, it's an SA final. Stormers just won
That is very arrogant .you sound now like the aussies .we as saffas not like the aussies .bulls beat a very good organized and good Leinster.they will learned .saffas are humble people.
this is good for northern teams, they will adapt game and come ready next time
Let's be humble. We are world champions and our up and coming bokkies beat their Test Match Ireland players from Leinster. Win win for me it means Ireland are behind us in terms of test match level rugby. What I don't like is Irish people thinking Leinster will run over our teams. We gave the South African answer: Brutality.
Leinster are overrated. All this talk of them being out on their own in Europe was complete arrogance. They have only 1 European cup in the last ten years.
They had not played SA teams, big wake up call for them! Bulls beat them with 0 current Springboks in the squad
Thank you bro for bringing this up. European teams are weaker. Let's admit. Remember them saying England would crush us at the world cup final? Weak under belly. Don't compare North to South again. When it matters, we dominate and win.
@@nay8991 sorry it hatched already. Bring british anytime. SA team WON the URC, Lions, England WC final. It had hatched my friend. My attitude stems from your cocky commentary in newspapers and pundits. All you British do is talk and all we do is Win, Win and win again. See you in Cape Town next week for a European final lol.
Agree with you Nathan. As a Saffer I too ask they show be a bit of respect. It may just be that they did not play rugby themselves or beer talk
They arent overrated. They have had significant success.
Besides the quality of NZ and Australian teams in Super Rugby are better. This Leinster team got annihilated by NZ in the world cup as well so in terms of test match level rugby SA teams got the edge. Worries me that we just overpower these Irish and Welsh teams and this was apparently the best they can offer in Leinster. The Bulls probably loses by 20 in Christchurch against the Crusaders. That worries me
that's true but most teams lose when they play the Crusaders at home
@@slau330 agreed mark. My problem is they say Leinster is out on their own in Europe. Guess SA is out on their own in the whole wide world( obvious cos we the WC champs)
Because the NZ teams always get home playoffs. When the chiefs came to Pretoria for a final they were annihilated. Same now if the crusaders came to Pretoria or cape Town for a knock out they'd lose. Travel is a big factor when you cross timezones.
Watching SR now I can see how soft the breakdowns ans set pieces are compared to urc, that's why the sa teams struggled at first. I think Ireland will do pretty well in nz this year.
@@MetYsJa your argument is flawed. Since the inception of the conference system in Super Rugby teams from South Africa, NZ and Australia were guaranteed a playoff spot. The Lions did well to make 3 finals in a row but were dominated by superior Kiwi teams in the Hurricanes and Crusaders. Lions even lost a home final too
Hahahaha Leinster
only 11,000 at the RDS.... Leinster still a good side but their supporters are a disgrace.
How many tickets do u expect to sell in 5 days???
@@fearmorpiercemacmaghnais7186 semi final? 5days...I would say 60 000
@@bulkoutloader2550 60k in the RDS that only seats about 18k ppl?
@@fearmorpiercemacmaghnais7186 how many tickets do you expect to sell in 5 days was the question. Nevermind.
@@bulkoutloader2550 aviva stadium is what gets filled on no time rds not so much
More tries scored? Yeah, at the hooter and you'd already lost. Bulls will take the win
No doubt the SA teams are quality but I suspect they have probably benefited a bit from only needing to focus on one competition this year. Competition in two competitions next year is going to be a totally different kettle of fish.
This is a strawman that simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Leinster rested all their big players for most of the URC season. They were likely more well rested than SA team's players.
Bullshit. Our currie cup is more competitive than the URC. In terms of smack bang physicality Leinster will be taught heavy lessons in the currie cuo week in week out. The Currie Cup is Still running.
The school produces players of quality year after year. It's a way of life here and a passage to greatness. SA as a whole will benefit immensely as a rugby nation from participating in these various competitions but next be year will be more difficult and yet again a new learning curve
Our SA teams are also playing in 2 comps at the same time. The currie cup's semis starts next weekend & the Bulls are playing in the URC finals & Currie cup semis on the same weekend.
Next season our teams will be in 3 comps, probably also at the same time
Sa teams are also playing in the Currie Cup
This league will be dominated by the south African teams ,bad decision to let them in
Thus isn't soccer. Stormers have NEVER won a cup in their existence.
Thus ? Stormer not winning a WC ? Ease up on the white powder maat.
If Sexton starts for us a WC we are going nowhere. Past it, all he did was try and start a row and complaining to Referee
So many arrogant South Africans in the comments section LOL
We have NOTHING left...don't knock us!🤣
Lol
Dara O Briain should stick to comedy.
Leinster are over rated, love to see them playing some of the New Zealand clubs. It would be a rude awaking for their fans.
Only comment that is the blatant truth. 1 season in URC, and 2 SA teams makes the finals. 1996 Super12 started. 2007 SR14, first time two SA teams makes the final...that's 10 years. Next time was 2010. 14 teams in that competition, and every weekend was a stacked match day. Still the best rugby club competition ever created. Spoiled and ruined by greedy men that run the administration of the game in the south. SR14 was the perfect formulae for growing the game here. SR12 limited the growth but increased the competition difficulty. There was no need to grow the amount of teams to 16-18 and adding a conference system. Sucks that SA is playing North. Fact remains, SA rugby and NZ rugby has always been best when they competed against each other every weekend. NZ learned to hone their physically approach and set piece every weekend, and SA rugby learned to play more expansive rugby at the right time. Boks and ABs are world leaders in rugby due to them playing each other. Alistair Coetzee era hurt Bok rugby and many kiwi's wanted the stronger Boks back, the ABs needed it
Highlanders on a bad day would be too much for them.
They would be Rising Sunsets or Runaway Comebacks in SR, one of the two take your pick..
Stop whinging. 3 tries to Nil. You lost, we've all lost, get over it ffs 😎
Forget the game, let us talk about the useless incompetent ref.