What’s Inside? Schlage F Series Latch Banging - Door won’t close - Failure Point
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- We all know how Schlage F series latches start banging against the strike and not closing but have you ever investigated the exact reason why they do this?
If you haven’t, I did! Let’s see!
I had kinda decided while filming this there needs to be a follow up on the best way to get that stuck door open.
Now that we know the issue, perhaps careful use of a probe to lift that spring arm on the deadlatch side would be a better way to get these open easier than full on war with it & a screwdriver ;)
Hit that thumbs up for a follow up video to this trying it out!
As many of these non-functioning latches as I have replaced, I never bothered to cut one open to figure out why they were failing. I just knew they couldn't be fixed, so I never bothered. Thank you, Jason. GREAT video!
I had this happen on a 3-year-old door latch today. Called Schlage and they will have a new one to me in a week via UPS. Never asked for the receipt just asked when I bought it. I had the receipts and gave them the exact date. Good service but I was on hold for like 30 minutes. Uploaded 3 pictures using a SMS link they send to you before I talked to the rep. That app is pretty slick. That allowed him to ID the latch, so he knew what we were dealing with. Hopefully the correct latch is sent and it works.
Thanks, I was trying repair latch. Watched your video. Bought a new latch. 30 minutes later repaired. Thank you for saving me time and money 😊
100% makes sense🎉 If saved packaging and/or original receipt, contact SCHLAGE about their lifetime warranty mechanical replacement.❤
I think you pointed those sparks at us on purpose …😂🔐
Good information. Anxiously waiting for follow up video!😀
great forensics video jason thanks a lot!👍👍👍
That was an excellent video thank you Jason. I used 2 air wedges on the last one I had and was able to spread the door from the jam just enough to pop the door open.
Tom
JMJ LOCKSMITH
Definitely another great video.
Thanks for the warning too that it will eventually stick and also for the fix instructions; easy and quick; appreciate… :)
Watching a different CZcams video I hit mine headon with a hammer twice. It worked in the sense it doesn't bang when I close it and the lock seems functional. Your video has demonstarted the dead latch is broken internally. Hopefully I won't have a complete failure before a new latch ordered arrives in a few days.
yep that would shear off that part causing the problem but definitely get it replaced asap!
Thanks for the cut-apart video. I have replaced the same deadlatch, twice, on my sister-in-law's door, within 5 years. Hopefully, Schlage goes with a tougher material or maybe switches to a machined steel billet pin.
Keep up the great videos
👏 I suspected the dead latch from the beginning!
Really cool Fireworks Show sparks into your camera (protector) -- love it -- will have to video some "special" Japanese "Hanabi" sparklers close up. Awesome video on failure point -- never looked inside one of those before -- Thanks for sharing
Sure seems like one could make a small tool that can help get the latch to retract. Thanks for showing the guts of them for us.
Pondering careful use of a probe and maybe a small hole. Might follow up on this video soon :)
@@selock heck yeah love to see it.
Definitely would like to see an improved way of opening a stuck F series latch other than prying every single piece out from the knob hole if you can figure it out. Kudos to disecting the latch(es) to see what was actually going wrong.
Gutting lock parts can be fun and interesting 🤔
So if the dead latch would have been made of steel instead of some cast crap they would not break.
Have a great day,
Oooooooohhhh ✨✨✨✨✨ sparkles
Hey it back in with a hammer. Not sure what it does inside. But it makes it function normally again. But thanks for the video. Very informative
well iv learned something new thank you!
Awesome peak under the hood of a broken latch!! I've wondered about this before as I had it happen to my own door years ago..
I'm sure schlage blames the installations due to the dead latch entering the strike and binding. On modern doors preventing the dead latch from entering the strike is a PIA.
You almost can’t not let it happen with the two inch thick rubber they put around the doors now. If you do happen to get it perfect, the next day it won’t work if it gets cold and you get a callback!
I had a service call to a really rich part of Scottsdale for a seized deadlatch. Multimillion dollar home with really cheap Schlage knock-off levers. Go figure.
I’ve noticed the more expensive homes use the cheapest hardware like 80% of the time 🙄 builders saving that $$
I had a 5" backset E series latch that someone brought in one day, with a broken anti-jimmy pin. same thing latch wouldn't retract when closing the door. I had to do similar surgery, The only difference, I had to take out the broken parts, get it to work, and then put it all back together!!
Schlage site and support allows you to take pictures of latch door locks and you can submit a replacement latch. Just have to do the leg work and wait.
Thanks! This video was super useful!
Glad it was helpful! Thank you! We appreciate it :)
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About the failing dead latch part. my guess is it comes from bad aligned strikes, so the dead latch part gets inside the hole, and then when you pull them both back, the friction between the part and the strike put stress on it. It would not happen if it stayed outside where it is designed to be
Thanks Rune, I was about to comment saying that we know the deadlatch part is failing (breaking) but it still wasn’t clear why-but I think you have the right idea. I guess we’d have to see if these are mostly failing in the common improper-install scenario where the deadlatch is popping into the whole, or if it also happens when it’s installed properly and stays out of the hole and up rests against the strike plate. Either way thanks for doing this Jason and it’ll be great to see the follow up!
Always good to see these things investigated.
Can the latch be detached from the (still attached) face-plate by rotating the whole assembly once the knobs/handles are removed? And if so, do the wings get hung up in the door?
Alt:. Now knowing that the problem is that the body of the deadlatch isn't returning forwards and releasing that internal catch, can a probe be used to release it while slipping/shimming the latch?
I have a feeling I will be doing a follow up on the best way to do it. I’m thinking a small hole & wire probe while pulling back on the arm. The only issue is the accessible place for the hole is gonna end up being on a angle. 🧐
It definitely needs to be worked on, on the deadlatch side though. Now we know what to aim for! Careful use of a probe might be easier than full scale attack :)
My approach before was try to hammer the arm back and always never worked (we see why now)
Then twist it out and pry back the exposed area
@@selock I confused this design with another one with 'exchangeable' faceplates (only one plate, and one 'insert' in a package...) that twisted/bayonet locked together; but functioned identically, save that the deadlatch was a stamped piece of brass that stretched instead of cracking.
I think that pushing the latch in slightly (so that it the slope will catch the inside of the face plate), while and twisting the assembly (similar to what happens when the knob is used as a climbing peg/foot rest) could still force those tabs to detach (not that I've injured myself in this specific way when my ladder_s_ were all unexpectedly 'borrowed').
(edit: That one, I was able to split/fan apart the part that the knob engaged, and push the stretched piece back into position. But at the point where the knob doesn't work anymore, I don't think that's an option.)
@@selock Would love to see that
The Schlage commercial S series latch looks externally to be a similar if not identical design as this. I wonder whether it's made of better materials, and if it's interchangeable with the F series latch.
Great video, I’ve wondered why this happens
I think we all knew something was wonky in there, and assumed it was the deadlatch part (it always is seems like) but its good to know exactly what it was. Next follow up video is finding a way to bypass it better than fighting it with pliers ;)
Yep, definitely that stinking deadlatch, never seen it happen on a passage or privacy springlatch
Dissecting latches. And now you know......The Rest of the Story.
Very interesting. Haven't ran into in the field but there is a whole box of these latches at the local habitat for humanity store and I noticed most had this issue and I was wondering why What's your go to grinder Jason? Could see what you were using to cut those latch body shrouds.
Harbor Freight small cut off tool 😂 with a non harbor freight blade ;) works great as a bench tool, it stays plugged in nowadays
@@selock Right on! Every once in a while I think I’m buying a cheap tool at HF and I end up using it more than was expected.
I have a brand new one that is doing this.