Mike Tindall and Andrew Trimble on Ireland, Sam Burgess and dressing room fights | House of Rugby #7
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- čas přidán 27. 11. 2018
- Alex Payne is joined by Mike Tindall and Andrew Trimble while James Haskell is in hospital. The three talk Sam Burgess' tweetstorm, egos and World Cup 2015. Mike tries to repair his relationship with Ireland and the Irish fans plus the chaps cover Joe Schmidt, Andy Farrell, tackling and the closing Northern/Southern Hemisphere gap.
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Tindall is so entitled to his opinion and they are fair points - we here in Ireland are super sensitive to any sort of criticism and it doesn't really suit us!
Great show lads, good to see Trimby on the show....keep Hask on his toes about selection....lmao.....as an Irishman/Ulsterman living in OZ it's shows like this and Joe.ie that keep me up to date and love the banter/slagging/craic between the shows and especially the stories from the players......Alex is a great host with a lot of rugby knowledge.......can't wait for the 6 Nations especially the first game.....that will get the banter into overdrive between Joe.UK and Joe.ie!
Great show guys. Really becoming one of my favourite podcasts now. Great to see the Irish and English guys mixing it up on the show. As an Irish fan, I have to say I felt a bit sorry for Mike Tindall. I understood where he was coming from even if I disagreed with him somewhat and I'm sure he got a ton of grief for his comments lol. Thought he handled it well and took it all in good spirit. "Tad Furlong" was hilarious :) :) P.s Get well soon Hask.
Hask is back next week!
Really good show! Mixing up the Irish and English boys really works well......Greet insight into how the old style 'leadership' in the changing room ruled in the past and has changed to the modern days.
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Couple of thoughts: 1) I've just re-watched Ireland -v- New Zealand and was struck by how good a game it was but also by what a good game the ref. Wayne Barnes had. The pundits are all to quick to crap on the officials, TMOs included. 2) There's a good article in the Guardian by Rob Kitson on Andy Farrell life and history as a winner. The prospect of an Ireland with their central contract system, made mentally harder by Farrell's attitude to winning and then possibly supplemented by O'Gara (or eventually Sexton) as attack coach is truly terrifying for England. 3) not sure about the legality of the Farrell tackle , but it is lovely to watch 6'2", 14 stone, put 6' 8", 19 stone into reverse, more Farrell family attitude. 4) The laws on tackling perhaps do need some thought (again) - if a shoulder charge is illegal at the ruck/maul, why is it OK to drop your shoulder into the head of the tackler, perhaps this is what the Jacob Pyper was alluding to on the refs mike.
Murray John it took around seven cynical NZ penalties in that first half for Barnes to even give them a warning. Whitelock should have been in the bin at the very least
Indeed, those are good points for sure. I agree on (ii), (iii) and (iv), though I thought Barnes was quite lenient on New Zealand in the first half. There could have been one, if not two, sin bins in my opinion, but overall not too bad of a performance by him.
Though what really struck from reading your interesting points was: There's a good article in The Guardian?!
Aaron yes but Kearney should have also been yellow carded. In the end it balanced out and I thought the game was consistently reffed. Barnes was equally lenient for both teams.
Wayne Barnes is easily the best ref around at the moment (shame he's soon to retire) and totally scuppered the usual All Blacks game plan of being permanently offside and infringing at the breakdown.
Love to hear the old rugby stories. Keep them coming lads
Loving the show guys! Keep it up - best of luck to mr Haskel with his procedure, the big likeable lug that he is!!
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Seriously good podcast always look forward to it
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Great show,great guests,great stories,the Johnno ones in particular,were both brutal and hilarious.
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Good man Tindall, and you’re right. We could be more expansive, even with all that possession.
It’s a very fair, balanced point.
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Great show folks, really enjoyed it. Tindal is hilarious
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You could see trimby really wanted to say jar jar farrell! :D
The insight into the oldschool English rugby culture from Tindall was very interesting.
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More of Trimble trying to do Peter O Mahony's accent please😂
Brilliant show i think the Irish and uk episodes work well together. Mike is hilarious
Cheers! Pleased you're enjoying the show
He boring as hell
I heard Mike Tindals positive comments but Ireland have scored more tries than any of then other teams in the 6 Nations for the last two years by a distance in 2018 if I remember correctly. And yes we do it by keeping the ball and being ruthlessly efficient. A bit like Germany in football, they beat Brazil 7-1 and kept the ball for nearly the entire game. If the Pep Barcelona win 5-1 and keep 70% possession they're geniuses but if Ireland do the same we lack ambition??? It's a perception of Ireland that's factually incorrect as Joe Schmidt pointed out in a press conference pre the England game two years ago when it turns out England kicked the ball twice as much as we did. People just remembered it when we did it because we quite often fielded it back. It was just a bit of a lazy observation is all, no offence taken. PS, we have scored more tries than the All Blacks twice out of the last three times we hagebplayed them. Unexciting??? X lol
Also, our winger Jacob Stockdale scored 7 tries, the closest player two him scored 4. Generally the ball does my get to the wing if you're not being expansive. A bit simplistic I grant you but all Stockdales tries came from going down the 5m channel I'm pretty sure. You've got to be quite expanse to get out there.
Great analysis and observation - well put Mark!
Well played, Mark.
@@JOE_co_uk thank you Joe, someone has to say something intelligent on your show when you usually have to rely on the Bearded Beef Brisket Banter Baron that is Brand Hask. 😉
The possession game Ireland play is similar to a soccer team passing it around in their own half. Although to be fair they are getting more direct this year.
I’m Irish and I thought Mr Tindall’s comments were fair and reasoned, but no click bait there
Good show - enjoyed Tindall's stories
Cheers!
Great show
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Great show lads
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Nice work again, gents... Andrew summed up the Schmidt move well, saying it was class. But we'll see Joe back in rugby in some capacity eventually.
Peter 'O is definitely the pick of the Autumn internationals, closely followed by Faz Jr.
Tindall has a great rugby mind and is a good speaker about the game.
I remember Bergomaster being flung in the air by Isa Nacewa (half his size and Physics just says NO) both at full tilt down the touchline and Isa ended up with the ball and it took Leinster 119 seconds to score the Try in counter attack that put Castre away in 2011 at the RDS. And Joe was a happy bunny when i was cleaning up the unused Leinster flags from the Castres seats dappled all over the RDS (because he took the time to come out and ask me WHY I was doing that?) . It makes me so proud to be a Rugby supporter and anIrish one :-D
Porter is the back up furlong and he is a beast. Furlong is unreal though.
Yeah can't believe Trimble forgot about Porter
Would be interesting to hear who the 'ego' was in the 2015 World Cup squad.
Same!
Be sure that Mike Tinball is on the show for his forecast of Ireland/England on 2/2/2019.
Great show, very interesting. BUT.... No SH players considered in player of the month? Second the Farrell "Tackle." Stating what I thought was obvious, making the tackler wrap both arms stops them driving the shoulder in ....a shoulder charge(?) The question surely is are shoulder charges illegal or does Farrell have an exemption and where does the statement that the first one was illegal leave the second one. Does this tackle require great timing or just the use of a shoulder?
Thought on Sam Burgess, he was picked to defend that 10 12 channel against the likes of Jamie Roberts and while he didn't set the world alight in attack he did contain Roberts and England were leading until he got subbed off and Farrell and Ford were basically run over by Roberts.
If Burgess had played another 20 minutes England would have won that game.
Ok so I commented before tindall made the exact same point I was making.
Adam Porter its mad thinking that one sub lost us a chance for the quarter finals.
Making the transition between league and union is rarely successful. It took Brad Thorn several years to learn to be a lock, a simpler and most similar position in the 2 codes (he failed initially as no.8). Playing SB as a forward for club, then moving him to be a back for England was doomed from the start. But may have worked better in a true team environment, no wonder he left straight away.
@@prof_kaos9341 he was playing fine in centre that's the point of my post he was doing exactly what he was meant to be doing.
@@jeffjefferson3364 agree he did ok. But there are tactical differences between codes and positions. Having him switch codes then switch from backs to forwards is asking a lot. How many seasoned union players swap backs to forwards? I was not surprised to see him leave and the his comment on 2015 says a lot. It appears egos are having a negative influence, Tindalls comments on Guscott and Johnstone make it sound fractured and unwelcoming.
Don’t know how Tindall kept a straight face talking about Ireland ;-)
Not withstanding the rules, the Faz Jr. tackling technique is coached and effective. Low man wins irrespective of size differential. Farrell’s shoulder is low enough and sufficiently in front at speed to out-leverage the much bigger, but taller ball carrier. To his credit, and to preserve his health, Rhodda tried to lower his shoulder and body height.
Does anyone know who the awkward player in the 2015 world cup team was?
Tad is the man!
YEP!
Lucky Trimby didn't explain about the name Tadhg and certain NI people.
Jonny made the Official Leinster Supporters Club Hall of Fame (The hallowed OLSC Tshirt). He could have had it in 2013 if he hadn't buggered off to France ... we even had the Design completed but meh.. yehhh we were delighted for his future ... Just like Joe ... maybe the Joe lad will come back to help Leo if Stuart goes to the Irish Job..... Welllll I can dream too.
what's that 1234 drill?
I love the few rugby podcasts that are available in the UK. This show is great as you can then watch on CZcams and Alex is a knowledgeable presenter. This particular show was great as it wasn't just all Haskell - do like him but he talks too much and that overshadows the whole show. Vary the guests and keep it rugby rather than just indivual opinions?
The Irish have short memories it seems, and I for one (an England supporter) was immensely frustrated by Ireland's six nations campaign in 2017. They got smashed against Wales, beaten by Scotland, but suddenly found their motivation to rain on England's parade (not to mention beating the All Black's previously) to stop both teams achieving a record for the most consecutive wins. When you beat the All Black's and England, but can't beat Scotland & Wales then it shows how complacent they are and how poor their motivation was in that year. I think that's what Mike Tindall is eluding to, an extremely lacklustre and complacent 2017, but stepped up in 2018.
Get back under yer bridge
Never saw Johnson punch in a match. He'd of got one back thats why. Typical bully bollocks. Loved the Tindall chat. Trimble too. Layed back and very enjoyable for old rugby blokes to hear.
Thanks Dai, pleased to hear you're enjoying the show
Agreed, laid back and enjoyable for old blokes - you can't help but think that Farrell Jr. would also offer to straighten Mike T's nose. As an England fan, I sure do hope he saves it for the bar after the game, rather than delivering in the tackle. That Welsh team is traveling well. Let's hope England, Ireland and Wales, b an irritated France, don't kill each other in the 6N before the RWC.
I agree Murray.I love the 6 nations but Am slowly realizing that if any team, other than the Southern hemisphere guys, intends to compete to reach a final of a world cup, you have to have a full squad. So I can see this 6 nations being the first when teams use players in an experimental roll more. Keeping the basis of their teams that have done so well this Autumn to compete for the BIG one. Ireland,N.Z. are being chased by Eng, Wal and S.A. too,to win the thing and why jeopardise that goal?
I realise Eng have won and reached a few finals. I'd love to see two home nations compete for the cup.
Mike being a victim of our Irish Pride hahaha
They’d take it from Campese or Sella or Dan Carter, but we’ve all seen Tindall play.
Good show guys,
One of the main reasons England played poorly in the 2015 world cup was due to loosing £100,000 investing in a shell company .
Has for Sam Burgess , he was a square peg in a round hole... imho .
Who's trading advice was that again?
@@TheMintedAero1993 A former Royal Marine Dave Tennison the kit man aka Reg .
Wales played better on the day. Stuart Lancaster certainly improved English rugby on from the Martin Johnson coaching days
Ah Mike , it’s yourself :)
Playing with Martin Johnson sounds like a bit of a nightmare.
Gutted to see haskell missing
We'll be back and fighting fit next week!
P.S..lets take Payne and Mike to the Irish desk..I will bring my camera..
No Hask 😢
Never fear - he'll be back and fighting fit next week!
Very enjoyable,thanx. Farrell's shoulder barge? Thats two now that have aided the side ! A third will cost England as he's a marked man as regards the officials. They won't let him make them look anymore unsure than they already do now. Good luck to Haskel too.
Sick
I agree with Adam Porter 100% about Sam Burgess. I've read all the upbeat comments about Ireland and maintain my comments about their complacent campaign in 2017, and as a result lost all respect for them. If you read the comments below anyone would think they are gods, but couldn't even beat Scotland and Wales.
Mike needs a hug, but he has to take the bad mouth back...so there, said it.
Last time I checked poor old Connacht won a trophy and Ulster havent won a thing in over a decade
Another great episode - but can Alex Payne please stop picking his nose on camera!
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Tinds - the rugby soothsayer. . . .
Mike, you were just proved wrong and not by one single match, but by a body of work stretching back a few years. If I said the world Cup team you played in that won was boring bish bash box rugby. It would be hard to argue the point as its just a silly opiniom. As a team that got crushed a few times by it, I doubt Ireland marvelled at the flair. All very well running in trys when you have beaten up a team. Ireland is along similar lines. It just hurts to loose to that phisical dominance.
Little boys,lol.
I think Bealham played himself out of the Irish squad v the USA unfortunately. John Ryan is just so much better in the scrum and Andrew Porter is much better in the loose.
Get well soon Hasks.
Hask in a muumuu .....Dom DeLuise look alike
Northern hemisphere always bagging southern hemisphere. But want their coaches and players to improve your rugby. Ireland won't get past the quarters. They'll crumble under the pressure of expectation they have made themselves. All Blacks 3 in a row. NZ best at rugby at facts............
It'll be different this time my friend.
Trimble thinks Killarney is a county? It just shows what a unionist he is. Alex Payne is a good host.
Good man, that Trimble fella
Tindall at least has an excuse for not knowing that. What's yours Trimby?
22grena is he really a unionist.
We love ya in Kerry anyway trimby
Ah come on now Mike. It's ok. Just admit you were wrong. Conway, Ringrose, Addison, Aki, McGrath, Carberry, Sexton, Marmion......Stockdale hasn't been the only "energetic" "well -rounded" Irish back...
If boring rugby wasn't effective Mike Tindal wouldn't have a world cup medal
Tindall looks a little sheepish 😬
The chatty format is good but you need to change Trimble out. Looks like a nice guy, good rugby player but he is seriously struggling on the show.
So when did England play expanive rugby during the 2003 World Cup. Tindall could never pass the ball himself and wouldn't have made it into any irish team of the past 18 years.
trimble couldnt name 3 counties starting with K....his unionist bretheren will be very proud
Trimble 😴