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Differences between Pere Marquette 1225 in real life and in the Polar Express.
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- čas přidán 18. 12. 2020
- In this video, after mentioning that Pere Marquette 1225 is the locomotive used in the making of the Polar Express, I then point out the differences between the 1225 in real life, and the model in the Polar Express.
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Biggest difference: Pere Marquette can't drift.
A man of culture, I see 😏
LOL
Ik but I trust it drifts
How do you know?
We haven't checked
@@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory Damn you're right.... Where's Tom Hanks?
I assume 1225 was picked for the movie because of the obvious 12/25 being the date of Christmas. I grew up with the polar express movie and find the polar express and the Hogwarts express to be my personal favorites and most iconic movie trains of all time. From the whistles to colors, and movies they are in, I love ‘em both
The movie maker went to college and 1225 was there
Pretty good video honestly. Although, for a more joke side of it, one good difference; the real 1225 doesn't have a flux capacitor on the left side, inside the cab. Whereas the Polar Express does.
I love the Polar Express.
Me too nathan corcoran
I was in Owosso when they recorded all the sounds from the engine. I was later told, that that some of the sounds were enhanced to fit the motive, but that all the sounds were actually from the 1225.
Not the whistle . Which is from Sierra #3
@@ricko3242 Yes, except the very first whistle. The one he hears in his bedroom is the real 1225's whistle, just enhanced a little.
Fun fact: when you hear the whistle in the movie the first time it is the real 1225’s whistle.
It is actually not! It is Sierra Railroad No. 3s Lima 5 Chime!
@son of satan
It actually is Sierra RRs #3 whistle, they didn’t like the whistle on 1225 so they took the audio form there
This fact is wrong in fact the whistle in the movie is not from the 1225 it is from the Sierra railway no.3
@@RocketStephen618 first time
@@Runboyrun05 Ohh! I see! I didn't see that before lol
The polar express in the movie was similar sounding to Sierra no 3’s Lima 5 chime steam whistle
That is due to the fact that the director, Robert Zemeckis, directed the Back to the Future trilogy, where he used the Sierra no. 3 in the 3rd movie. You can see 3 other references, those being the scene where the hero boy pulls the emergency break replicates some of the shots of the scene where Clara does the same, the scene where the hero boy pulls the whistle replicates the scene where Doc Brown does the same, and you can briefly see the flux capacitor in the engine room, I believe during the "rollercoaster" scene.
@@MisterBurgerBeachball that explains why it stayed 11:55 so long
@ 2:29 my childhood memories came RUSHING back to me 😱
Here's a coincidence: the number 1225 is similar to the date of Christmas Day. December 25th.
It IS the date of Christmas Day. That's why they put it that way. Because 12/25 translates to December 25th. It's not a coincidence, it's intentional
@@pieguy6992 ^^^
It’s either a giant coincidence or the engine was purely chosen for that
@@pieguy6992 No- it's a coincidence
Great video showing the comparison Merry Christmas
There is another difference between the real 1225 and the one in the movie that wasn’t mentioned. There is a flux capacitor from Back to the Future in the cab of 1225 in the movie.
What?
You forgot one! The 1225 in real life has marker lights on the smoke box but in the movie, there are no marker lights.
How cool would it be when a possible life action version of the polar express has the real 1225 (may it be a duplicate model or the real train).
Let’s just hope they add the drifting in the ice scene lol
What a neat video!! Being a native Michigander, and with so many Michigan references in terms of the Pere Marquette 1225 train, the main character and Chris Van Allsburg being from Grand Rapids, this movie is always fun to watch!
Fun fact the number 1225 is the date for Christmas Day (December 25th)
does the movie deserve copyright due to the whistle - WELL FIGURE THAT AT ON TRAINS AN TRAINZ
Why do I like this whistle sound 2:28
Many like Me do because it just sounds monstrous and I love it
The thing that most people call a “cow catcher” is actually referred to by railroaders as a “pilot”.
I personally just suddenly learned from watching another awesomely excellent CZcams video sometime ago titled Goofs in the Polar Express by G W R Studios where Pere Marquette #1225 as 1 of the only 2 sole-serving Berkshire type of steam-driven railway tender locomotives was basically built in 1941 by the Lima Locomotive Works when the know-it-all kid mentioned that the very 1 of 2 Berkshire type of steam-driven railway tender locomotives certainly was basically to convinitly have been officially built in 1931 by the famously well-known Baldwin Locomotive Works when 'twas ACTUALLY built in the year of 1941 by the famously well-known Lima Locomotive Works in Lima in Ohio respectfully!
IF MY OWN OFFICIAL HUNCH WERE TO BE VERY SHOCKINGLY SURPRISINGLY CORRECT, PERE MARQUETTE #1225 A K A THE POLAR EXPRESS' FEED H2O HEATER MUST BE INSTANTLY CONNECTED TO THE LOCOMOTIVE'S OWN OFFICIAL WATER INJECTOR WITH PIPEWORK LEADING FROM THE TENDER TO THE FEED H2O HEATER FOLLOWED BY MORE PIPEWORK LEADING FROM THE FEED H2O HEATER TO THE LOCOMOTIVE'S OWN OFFICIAL BOILER!
FIZZLIN' FIREBOXES, WHAT A SPECTACULARLY INFORMATIVELY DETAILED VIDEO FOR SURE!
Pretty good video honestly. Although, I think coincidentally the whistle of the Polar Express and the basis of the loco itself both came from Lima.
Awesome dude that’s amazing
loved it!
I have had the joy of riding behind the 1225 two different times and taking pictures of her numerous times.
No no she
Another fun fact, the motion of the Baker valve gear is highly exaggerated. I don't know why this is, but it's a fun tidbit nonetheless.
This is a great video! I’ve been trying to point out the differences between the two for years, people just think I’m crazy. Also, I wish Lionel would watch this video. They clearly don’t understand that the polar express in the movie doesn’t look exactly like 1225. Their models are so inaccurate!
Aren’t all model railroad models of the polar express incorrect?
@@mariocar0727 I’m pretty sure Lionel is the only model railroad company that makes the polar express.
@@imagaybanana2004 American flyer which is I believe also, a branch of Lionel makes them and I believe MTH makes the polar express as well as Bachman I like the fact that Lionel bases the polar express that they make off of the real 1225 because I just think the real 1225 is very iconic train, but I do definitely see where you’re coming from
Worth noting, although the know it all kid gets some figures wrong, he does have a point in saying It's an S3 built at Lima. Because aspects of the Polar Express are closer to an Erie S3 Berkshire (no number boards, for example). Its also very interesting that a piece of concept art for Smokey and Steamer shows one of them with an Erie hat. The engine is also not numbered in the film, all examples of it being numbered are from art and merchandise. Chris Van Allsburg did grow up around 1225 when it was on display, so I suppose you could say the Polar Express is a fusion of 1225 and an Erie S3. With a flux capacitor upgrade, of course.
Fun fact before the release of the polar express in 2004 sierra railway 3's whistle sounds are recorded in 1992 for clint eastwood's western film Unforgiven with sierra 3 featured in it
I love 1225. It is one of my favorite steam engines. I live pretty close to it so I can go and see it a lot of the time in the winter time I really like 1225s whistle better than the whistle they used in the Polar express I wish they would’ve used 1225s whistle in the movie. She broke down last night but it sounds like she’s going to do the last polar express run of the year so we’ll see what happens.
The only difference is that 1225 can’t Tokyo drift
I saw another difference about the 1225. The front defender thing is bigger than the real 1225.
Very nice
I have three fun facts you probably didn't know about the 1225 & The Polar Express, that you didn't mention in this:
1. The Polar Express is based off of 1225's prototype blueprints. (Don't know if this info is true, but I've seen this before)
2. Remember how Know-It-All said in the film that the engine is an S-3 class berkshire? Well, guess what? There were a few REAL S-3's that operated on the Erie Railroad, and were also surprisingly built by the Baldwin Locomotive Works, like in the film. Here's a photo of one of the S-3's on the Railroad Photos Archive website. Even though the locomotive looks nothing like the Polar Express in the film, it's still the same class of engine: www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4732259
3. You are correct about how the sounds of the Polar Express are recorded directly from the 1225 (Minus the whistle, being from Sierra Railway No. 3), but do you know how they did it? Well, if you didn't know, the Skywalker Sound Team went to Michigan to record sounds of the 1225 for the film. But how did they make 1225 sound very different to how she does normally? Well, it's simple. Fully loaded freight cars. Yep, that's right. In order to get some really powerful sounds out of 1225, they made her haul either 11 or 12 hoppers, fully loaded with either grains, or sand, as well as her green tool box car that she used to haul during the 1991 NRHS Convention, so that the sound team could get sounds while riding on the train. That's why The Polar Express sounds a lot more powerful and stronger then 1225, as well as the passenger cars wheels sounding more like freight car wheels when their rolling along the tracks.
(Here's a fourth fact, but its not really a difference, its more of a (something you didn't notice) kind of thing.):
If you pay really close attention in the background in some shots of the cab, there is a Flux Capacitor on the Left-hand (Fireman's side) of the cab. The Flux Capacitor was the thing that controlled time travel in the Back To The Future movies for the Delorean. And coincidentally, Robert Zemekis directed all 3 of BTTF films, as well as The Polar Express too.
Hopefully you found some of this info cool! : )
You know S-3 berkshire locomotive were scrapped
No youre wrong 1225 is the polar express and will be
@@Runboyrun05 I know. I'm just saying. Plus, does it look like I don't know 1225 is the real one?
Yeah the ERIE Berkshires look more like the polar express.
Another fact is that this locomotive was actually built just a day before Pearl Harbor was attacked and the engine helped the war effort when the US joined WWII.
Music:Alan Silvestri(2004)
Lyrics:Glen Ballard
Directed by:Robert Zemeckis
Don't quote me, but I think those D&H headlights were "sunken" headlights. It actually looks pretty nice on the Polar Express engine in my opinion. Good video
Well, if you certainly were very shockingly surprisingly good enough to ask me, my own official observational theoical guess here certainly would basically be very shockingly surprisingly no complete doubt whatsoever 'bout it that Pere Marquette #1225's own official feed H2O heater certainly would most likely be hidden somewhere within the frame underneath the boiler with additional pipes to send the preheated water up into the boiler via water injector that officially sends H2O from the locomotive's own official tender directly over into the boiler!
2:04 The whistle is from the Sierra railway no 3
No it’s not.
@@garrett_1948 it is, there's plenty of proof on CZcams in other videos that it is.
@@jackforman4363 I don’t how valid your “CZcams proof” is but I can tell you that citing it as a nod to the back to the future films is a very common misconception that people make just because of Robert Zemeckis being a director for both back to the future and polar express. Here is my proof: A crew from Sony Sound Labs did visit Railtown 1897 in 2003 to record sounds for the film however the 3 wasn't even in service at the time. The No. 28 was used and the whistle it wore during the visit was a NP 5 chime of some sort which was MOST DEFINITELY not used in the movie. It's almost impossible to say what sounds they recorded that day actually made it into the film. The recorded everything from torches being lit to squeaky door hinges. More than likely the whistle was a stock studio recording that was heavily edited.
@Railfan 765 This is first hand information from a friend of mine who was the master mechanic at that time. In fact the NP 5 chime that I mentioned was owned by him.
@Railfan 765 Of what are you specifically asking for?
1225's whistle was used in spongebob squarepants and kamp koral
3:08, believing is seeing! Not seeing is believing!
Ryan
It literally say it in the movie where the hobo say "seeing is believing"
Here's another difference
1225 can't drift on ice
And also the polar Express has a thing on the floor of the cab that you step on to open the firebow doors while the 1225 has a standard lever
Marquette(PM 1225)’s Polar Express Model And Marquette(PM 1225)are the same Berkshire
you should make a video trying to explain if its even possible for the polar express to work.
I understand that someone actually tumbled down on the coal into the cab so they could have the right noise for when the boy did the same thing?
Chris van allsburg when writing the book also picked pierre Marquette 1225 as the basis of it since he grew up seeing the engine on display in the park where he lived
And PM 1225 has a Nathan 6 chime and in the movie she has a Lima 5 chime
Pere Marquette 1225 Polar Express
2:20 [train whistle] 2:31 [train whistle]
you forgot to mention the flux capacitor in the cab
That doesn’t count it’s just an Easter egg
it was a jokeeee
I thought that they used that number as a reference to Christmas Day (12/25).
The original author did
Fact: Polar Express engine has numbers, 1225
@Railfan 765 yeah, but the toys of the polar express got the number 1225
warner bros ask for the blueprint and modified the locomotive so its looks like a magic train
also the whistle is from sierra railway no.3
and polar express is faster also can drift on ice
You forgot to mention the shrouds over the air compressors are missing on the movie model. Also if you pay attention at different scenes you will notice that the power reverse cylinder was copied on both sides of the engine where in real life it is only on the engineers side. If you want to get really nitpicky then I could mention the lack of safety valves, low water alarm, air compressor muffler, hot and cold water pump and steam turret cover on the movie model. Plus they didn’t quarter the wheels on the movie model. I’m sure there is other stuff I missed too.
Also, the shape of the polar looks similar to the s3 Berkshires from the erie
which polar express whistle comes from?
It's actually from Sierra Railway no 3's Lima 5 chime whistle from the exact the same locomotive that was in Back to the Future part 3 and Petticoat Junction.
Year built: October,1941
The main difference is that the real 1225 would not survive the movie
The snow plow is also much bigger on the Movie version of this train
*Seeing Is Believing*
Did you know that 1225 was actually the number for Christmas Day?
the differnts between them both is that polar express dose not have green marker lights but 1225 dose and no number plates and the cow is differnt on the polar express then the 1225 and the walk was on the front of the boiler and many many more
Whenever I think of American steam locomotives I thing of this or the Disneyland 4-4-0’s
But, The Polar Express Is Baldwin 2-8-4 S-3 class Berkshire type steam locomotive
Fun fact the 1225 doesn’t have water feeder
I live in Michigan
that felt so short
MY SECOND NAME IS PERE
The polar express has a flux capacitor in it
The whistle used in the movie is NOT from Sierra Railway No. 3.
The whistle is from Sierra 3. Its a subtle nod to the back to the future series. There's plenty of proof it is from other CZcams videos
@@jackforman4363 that doesn't make any sense
Yup you're right
Actually it is Sierra Railway no 3's whistle
Finally! Someone made this video so I don’t have to! Thank you!
Its not a cowcatcher. Its called a Pilot. : )
Their the same thing
the triangle-looking thing is the cow-catcher. the whole setup with the drop-plates, the metal bar, the coupler and the cow-catcher is the pilot.
Same thing
Do the differences really matter?
The headlight design is from the Delaware & Hudson challengers and the whistel is a Baldwin brass roundtop 3 chime I have a ho scale polar express that I've custom built as a movie replica
He's probably the brother he's probably the brother engine 1225
Didn't the kid in the movie say it's a Baldwin locomotive?
Yes, but in reality it was a 2-8-4 berkshire locomotive
Edit: I forgot to mention lima locomotive works
Oh this is the train kid irl
The letters in that ‘still’ look white, but if you watch the Movie, they’re the similar colour to the actual 1225...Check again.
That's only on the coaches and the toys
Hey I hate to be that person but actually on the polar express 1225 is under the cab window on the polar express model
I might be wrong. But I thought I saw it before. I could be wrong. It's probably because it's on everything else like promotional stuff and models of the train that it put it in my head. But I always thought it was on the engine under the cab
As someone who made a 3d model of the Polar Express recently, I should add that the cab area is completely different, the windows on it to begin with, have a single glass part, instead of 2. The overall roof on the cab is also completely different. And obviously I don't think we even need to talk about the interior.
The top area also has quite the differences, but I'm afraid I can't go into detail due to me lacking knowledge on the terminology. The boiler is bigger near the firebox area too.
In the footplate, near the smokebox, it is also completely different, glacier gulch, anyone?
As for the tender, I must mention the ladders are on the right side, and there's an additional ladder on top, and the area that connects between the loco and tender are completely different, same for the bogies.
I'd go into more detail, but I don't wanna seem like the know it all from the movie, but still, a nice video nonetheless.
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Maybe they should build the Polar Express locomotive much like the movie version.
are you suggesting they should modify 1225 to look like the movie engine or build a new engine cause no neither of those things will happen
@@oregonrailfan7046 Either one.
@@artismbyjoey779 yeah no just change the name
Why didn’t they add my real whistle in the movie
It’s the same
But I have never been on the Pere marquett
What’s a water heater
he literally explained about it in the video 😐
@@lividuke I know that now but I wanted a further explanation
@@magicguystudios7940 It preheats the water coming into the boiler from the injector to make it more quickly turn into steam.
@@hexxoid9263 oh I see
0:22
YOU FORGOT THE FLUX COMPASATER
I was pointing out the things that actually exist in real life
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 Lol
2:31
In the cab the reverse is different. In real life 1225 as a screw reverse with power reverse. But in the movie it had a conventional Johnson Bar/Reverse lever with power reverse.
:)
Honestly, one of the many things we do in my family for Christmas, we watch The Polar Express before bed and with all the action in the movie we follow along, during the hot chocolate song my mom bring hot chocolate, and then we go to bed at the end of the movie. it's easier for me and my brother and sister 2 go to bed after watching the movie because of the calming tone it has.
Nooooooooooooooo I missed the stream
I thought the polar express was 765
yay!
2:18 thats from a horror movie AHHHH
still kinda ominously beautiful, tho ._.
@@DerpyPossum ikr
It sounds beautiful to me
You forgot the worst part that the light is built in the fricking smoke box door!
You must have missed when he mentioned that because it was pretty close to the beginning. As for it being the worst change, that is your opinion, one that I happen to disagree with, but to each their own.
Oh sorry.
Ok The 1225 On Ticket
VillairBarrett
And the real one
So 1225 is the Polar Express
yes
Sure is
2021 person be like
I always thought the Polar Express was a Baldwin locomotive in the film rather than a Berkshire, personally, both versions of the locomotive look splendid
like 300