Joseph (Zionist) and Tareq (Palestinian) debated the Israel/Gaza war. We want to thank Tareq for joining us and trying to find common ground and discuss the conflict with us.
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@@beng2729 this is not my area and will definitely look into it, but if I challenge a parking violation in Ariel, I assume this would not be in a military court? If I was arrested for theft in Ariel, I assume I would not be tried in a military court? It's not my area, but I think you're mistaken.
@Israel_Advocacy Officially, military courts are authorized to try anyone who commits an offense in the West Bank, including settlers, Israeli citizens residing in Israel, and foreign nationals. However, in the early 1980s, the Attorney General decided that Israeli citizens would be tried in the Israeli civilian court system according to Israeli penal laws.
I live in an Israeli settlment in Judea. We live right next to Bethlehem. Was listening to the debate as I was walking past a Muslim praying on the sidewalk.
Fact: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem - Mohammed Amin al-Husseini discussed with Hitler in 1941, the extermination of all Jews from all Arab lands 7 years before The State of Israel was even created. If the Palestinian people insist on having leaders (for 82 years now) who call for our annihilation, we have the moral right and obligation to resist.
It was in 1938 and he begged Adolf Hitler not to go on with his preliminary plan : deporting the Jews of Europe back to their country of origin, Israel and also to Madagascar.. Husseini also helped recruit muslims to join the muslim SS division, the hanshar division. That is the reason why the Serbs took hard revenge on the bosniac muslims during the Yugoslavian civil war. The muslim SS have murdered many people during WW2 just like not all but too many muslims do nowadays.. Sorry to say this but islam is totally not compatible with other cultures. It is best that they remain in their own countries. The palestinians are not originally from Israel, they are descendants of bedouins from arab regions. Of course they have to live somewhere but if they continuously commit islamic terror attacks, it is better that they go live in muslim countries.. It's the same thing with the muslims living in Europe and elsewhere : not all of them are bad people but really too many of them are involved in crime, riots, rape, street violence and islamic terrorism.. Their numbers are growing, an independent German study showed that around 50% of muslim youths in Europe are radical and radicalising so it's a mix of both.. There is only 1 humane solution: a majority of people must live in their countries of origin.. The rest, the real moderate people are welcome to live wherever they are an added value..
@@lkjlkj-gx1gxI believe it was the Ayatollah who had the plan and it was before hitler was even an adult. I don’t have all the details, but it was before the turn of the 20th century.
It was in 1938 that Amin Al Husseini spoke with Hitler and convinced him not to deport the Jews of Europe back to their country of origin and to Madagascar.. Amin Al Husseini also helped recruit muslim men to join to the islamic SS division, the hanshar divizion..
You have so much patience, Joseph! I suggest you identify Tariq's rephrasing. At about 1:25, he justifies the violence, the mutilation and abuse of corpses because they have "been dehumanized." @@Israel_Advocacy
The guy literally had a tough time making a call about kill and rape, because he had not seen the video himself, and the moment someone offered the clip, he said, "no, I don't want to see it."
As an Israeli, I just want to point out how I appreciate your and Tareq's willingness to sit, talk and listen, despite the major differences in belief and idea.
@@zoeyacoub6226 I dont see how it is the way forward to be honest. I think Yishai Fleisher has the right approach. There's really only one way to deal with this. We tell them "look this is our tribal lands, you can either live here in peace as guests, or return to your tribal lands". The two predominant ideas of a "one state with equal rights" and a "two state solution" are both solutions that lead to the Jewish people once again being forced off our tribal lands. In the one state solution, it happens immediately, in the two state, it happens more slowly. There's only one solution: an unequivocal and unapologetic Jewish state from the river to the sea.
Colonialism means when a country occupies a place outside of itself, subjugated the people and imposes laws in them and brings in new settlers. Article 39 of the Fourth Geneva Convention condemns the action of an occupying power removing the inhabitants and replacing them with settlers from the occupying country. Israel has invested billions into fueling settlements in East Jerusalem and in the West Bank (mainly Area C) and is now keeping 600,000 Israelis in those settlements while Palestinians face restrictions like carrying ID and going through multiple checkpoints for hours just to get from the West Bank to Jerusalem! During Apartheid South Africa, Black South Africans were excluded or not allowed to visit certain parts were govt restricted them from going and had to undergoe lots of checks just for a town not even 10 km away. Is this not what Israel is practicing? Even the wall built by Israel in the West Bank between settlements and the Palestinian area shows true Apartheid. Because you can see the contrast of living on both sides. In Apartheid South Africa, the Blacks would live in townships and the Whites in the good conditioned homes. Palestinians in the West Bank also lack access to services unlike the settlements
Given the propaganda he was subjected to, he's remarkably educated and reasonable. Let's be fair human to human. The fact he has such a relatively nuanced position, means he probably is one of the rare free thinking people. And I'm going to keep it real: most people, regardless of what group they belong to, are not able to truly think for themselves. Tariq and Josef are some of the few. Tariq deserves major respect for engaging the way he does!
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@@kayjay7585 even the guy with the "nuanced position" repeated the term "genocide" roughly 3 hundred times whilst also simultaneously being strinkigly unable to condemn the rape and mutilation of a young girl...says it all...
He seems very emotionally involved and I'm sure at the very least Josef has given him food for thought. It's not easy to admit or accept your side's mistakes and this is an incredibly tribal conflict. We (Jews, Israelis) are not much different
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It seriously baffles me how 99% of these pro Palestinians have no idea of the history of Palestine or Israel because im a normal englishman who isn't religious in the slightest yet i know both countries history's just through simple research, im loving the channel and loving how you debate aswell you always keep it respectful and very factual so keep up the good work Joseph 👍 I would also like to add that even though Tareq is wrong about a lot of history it's nice to see a pro Palestinian actually speak and debate properly instead of just screaming utter madness when they are wrong or don't know the answers to questions posed to them like they do at speakers corner
If you believe in Islam you can lie all the time!! This is completely the agenda that every Muslim believes in. This Muslim guy is disgustingly delusional!!!
@@User9681e There are many Arabs in Israel who say this and prefer Jewish rule. Not everyone talks about it, because they are afraid of the environment, but I have heard many Arabs say that they are comfortable in Israel.
@@Ironngirl much better then any of the corrupt Arab countries Would assume even stuff like getting scholarships as an Arab would be easier then in some corrupt Arab state health care is better too Actually almost everything is better for Arabs in Israel
Applause for your civil discourse! What a great conversation! Thank you so much for this. I haven’t heard anyone from the 2 sides sit and have a conversation without shouting sound bites and slogans at each other since Oct 7. Both of you are a credit to humanity
Israeli Palestinan arabs have the same rights. Non Israeli Palestinians are not citizens of Israel. What is the issue. Do Israelis have the same rights in Jordan?
agreed! my mom's side of the family is arab israeli. they have all the same rights as any other israeli people. the idea that "oh no people in the west bank cant vote in israeli election" or other claims are insane. can a canadian vote in an american election? no. is that apartheid? no. its a different country.
No they don’t. They would never be able to get a job, hold a position in the Palestinian authority, be able to marry or date a Palestinian woman, etc. I am appalled at how every points fingers towards Israel when Israel let’s whomever do whatever until you get in Gaza or Palestine.
@cpp1390 Same. I don't understand why Israeli woman rebuff the advances of Gazan men, whose only kink is that they want to use nails as part of intercorse.
Please ask this very Arab-looking man that even I would distinguish his appearance on the street from any Jewish appearance. So, ask him how different your path would be when traveling to Iran or Afghanistan?
If his main argument is that he is treated different in Israel because he is a Palestinian, how is a jew treated in every other arab country in the middle east? I dont understand why Israel are held to these standards when no other country gets even a question for the way they treat other races.
He is complaining about nothing I as an Indian citizen if I want to visit Pakistan for a holy sight ( i am Sikh Punjabi) the Pakistanis will check me make sure I’m not a terrorist they will make sure I come in peace this isn’t discrimination this is self defence Pakistan will be dojng the right thing
I've been to the middle east, not really by choice, and have to say it really really sucks. Why anyone would be having a debate on how they would be treated there is beyond me. Why would anyone go there in the first place? I would rather have a nice trip to England.
Thank you Tariq for your willingness to speak frankly. I must say that based on most pro Palestine arguments I'm hearing, it seems they are really genuinely confused as to why Jews didn't joyfully rape and behead German civilians after the holocaust. I don't know if it says more about Muslims or Jews. In any event, it's clear that if Israel were to call itself a Muslim country - most if not all criticism against it from the Islamic world would disappear overnight. If that doesn't highlight the ridiculousness behind their position, I don't know what will. I love this channel, I still think a name change would reach a broader audience but either way keep up the great work❤
Thank you for the suggestion. We're contemplating a name change or splitting into multiple channels (an organisational channel, Joseph having his own channel, etc.). We're open to ideas.
Your channel is excellent. I hadn’t thought of a name change, but that would actually be very smart. An interesting name for a channel for Joseph could be @Ktonet_Paseem, or something more neutral like @Levant_Advocacy or even @al-Sham_advocacy
They tried and failed. Look up Abba Kovner, The Avengers, and the Poison Plot of 1946. They tried to kill millions of Germans by poisoning the water supplies of major German cities but the British stopped the conspiracy at the last minute.
@nthed I love your point "I must say that based on most pro Palestine arguments I'm hearing, it seems they are really genuinely confused as to why Jews didn't joyfully rape and behead German civilians after the holocaust. I don't know if it says more about Muslims or Jews"
The problem is he and the people who think like him just blame everything on the supposed occupation. They don't seem to get that a person - and I'm trying to say this without being insulting and I suspect I will fail - civilized to today's moral standards, won't do what Hamas did/does under even the worst circumstances. It's just not in too many Muslim's mental vocabulary to draw the line somewhere before total domination or complete annihilation. They are by and large a warring people. They seem to be more comfortable with that than what marks success in the modern world. For instance, since UNRWA, they have had access to tremendous education and what do they do with it? Learn to more effective killers, that's about it from what I see. It's a shame for the relative handful who are ready to move into modernity. Hopefully it's more than a handful, but I'm not convinced.
Why should someone be more angry about a terrorist attack from 3 months ago, than the active genocide of their own people that’s been going on for months. You are absolutely delusional
How about giving that ppl reason teach hate ? We should stop it right ?. Why Nettanyahu disagree to Obama proposal, to pull up settlements in Palestine land ?
@@finzz7330 The old community of Jews that used to live in Gaza perished in Islamist riots of 1929, concurrent with dozens of other communities, the massacre in Hebron was documented, you can see the photos of that ISIS style massacre in archives of the NYT. Photos similar to the gut churning photos of the massacre of Oct. 7 only in black and white. 1929 is 19 years before the reinstitution of Israel, 38 years before Israel got into Gaza strip, 37 years before the process of appropriating the title Palestinians by Arabs has even started.
Tareq's arguments generate a feeling of free falling. It is so weird. Yoseph well done for your patience. Really. I had to stop every few minutes, it is so difficult to handle so many inaccuracies and complete disregard of anything really
I am currently reading “The Palestinian Delusion” by Robert Spencer and am learning a lot! Should be required reading, especially for Palestinian citizens who don’t even know the history of the land they live on or the conflict!
I feel I've been watching a very poorly matched jiu-jitsu cage fight, where one contender is a black belt, and the other a yellow belt. I credit the yellow belt for being civil throughout the debate. I also admire him for his passion and confidence. Indeed, I've little doubt that this confidence is, at least in part, nourished by the knowledge that the vast majority of young, university educated masses, stand in his corner. This probably explains his willingness to enter the cage equipped with what turns out to be a profound ignorance of ancient and modern history, coupled with an astonishing belief in fictions and theories unsupported by facts.
We really respect Tareq for sitting down and debating with a Zionist, most Palestinians would not. We disagree on almost everything, except wanting peace. For this he has more than earned our respect.
While I agree about the mismatch: the problem is that they number in the billions, and are fueled by arabic and chinese propaganda distributed by social media that just floods the information space ...
@Israel_Advocacy I appreciate your openness and charitable reading of his intentions, but I don't think someone who is demanding a state that would inevitably turn into a breading ground for murdering more jews is someone who desires peace.
This kid could seriously benefit from simply doing genetics testing. I could move to Hawaii but never be an indigenous Hawaiian. This kid would suggest that if a Canadian goose got lost and landed in Gaza it would now be a Palestinian goose. Even if all the Canadian geese migrated to Gaza they would still be Canadian geese.
I'm so tired of people justifying October 7th attack by saying it's because of the way the Israelis treat gazans. The reality is the Gazans and particularly the ruling parties on Gaza are responsible for the deplorable conditions and widespread poverty. Gaza has Mediterranean beaches. In theory Gaza could be a tourist destination but instead of investing in their beaches and building hotels, Hamas uses hundreds of millions in humanitarian aid to make rocket and recruit terrorists and then hides their terrorist infrastructure amongst civilian homes and schools etc... Joseph is very well informed and is very knowledgeable about the truth of the Israeli/Palestinian debate. Good job defending our people and our homeland, Israel!
@soulclean1983 incorrect. There are many gazans in the population of the west bank, many acting as terrorists Cells within the west bank. Also there are other terrorist extremists in the west bank such as Islamic jihad and other. The west bank has a long history of killing jews in the name of Allah.
And when the "Palestinians" took over Gaza, tearing many Israelis off of their land, the whole infrastructure was decimated by the Gazans. The farms, factories, homes, buildings... everything!! They took the materials and used it to start building their war against Israel.
Excellent points! I too dispise the excuses for 10/07. I don't think those people bothered to learn the details of that attack and I would be just as angry if it were done to Muslims. The fact that people justify it is almost more disturbing than the act itself
1:18:00 - Israel should NOT provide water for Gaza as Hamas should provide for them, and Hamas has International Funding. If Gazans had to be protected by Israel, the minimum is that the Gazan civilians should not have celebrated October 7, and given protection to Hamas or hide them and their weapons. Israel is NOT oppressing Gaza but Hamas is oppressing Gaza.
Tariq cannot concede anything because it could end in death threats or worse for him. His own community would punish him for being honest. So he plays the game according to hamas and his "religion of piece(s)" out of fear and willing ignorance. He is a good example of why cult majority countries are so backward. Just imagine a debating competition in Gaza or Saudi or Afghanistan where the two sides debate islamic issues. After every match the side designated to criticise islam would be summariy executed by the audience.
Thankyou for putting this full debate on your channel Josef, it's well needed. Maybe if you do live streams with knowledgeable people like yourself you can set up a superchat and people can send in donations to help support you✌🏾🔥
@@thewkovacs316 the same thing that any debate accomplishes during any time of violence. To see that there is a peaceful way to communicate difference and gain understanding. Ofcourse not all people want to talk. But people who truly want peace always want to talk.
Why is he wearing an Iraqi Kufiyah? I have seen that alot but like everything to do with "palestine" it isnt real or from there, even claiming a scarf from Iraq as being "palestinian"
This child of Gaza has no real information and is clearly agitated when any real facts are shared. There should be no support for Barbarism, or the sorrow that Hamas has rained down on Israel and now their use of the Gazan people as human shields. Hamas is to blame for it all.
Israel is still accountable for protecting civilian lives. I personally don't think Israel is being as careful as they should be to avoid killing civilians. I think they got angry after the Hamas attack, wanted vengeance and so weren't that careful at all. All that being said Israel needs to remove Hamas, that's pretty clear.
In 2012, Fathi Hammad, Hamas Minister of Interior, was trying to get Egypt to help Gaza more on live television. During this interview, he accidentally blurted out “half of Palestinians are Egyptian, the other half are Saudis” when trying to gain sympathy and unintentionally debunking Palestinian indigeneity in the process
1948 un devided borders between Israel and Palestine and 8 arab armies invaded Israel yes totally Israel started the war , 1967 war arab nations declared war on Israel and yet lost . Yes i agree Israel totally started the war by being peaceful. Also after 1948 war Palestine was occupied by Egypt and Jordan. Then 1971 Egypt and Syria attacked Israel and yet lost. Now 2023 oct 7 Hamas attacked Israel and failed to invade Israel. Most of the wars except the one in 1950's were started by Arabs . Arabs started and lost and blame Israel@@somedude8613
@@somedude86131948 un devided borders between Israel and Palestine and 8 arab armies invaded Israel yes totally Israel started the war , 1967 war arab nations declared war on Israel and yet lost . Yes i agree Israel totally started the war by being peaceful. Also after 1948 war Palestine was occupied by Egypt and Jordan. Then 1971 Egypt and Syria attacked Israel and yet lost. Now 2023 oct 7 Hamas attacked Israel and failed to invade Israel. Most of the wars except the one in 1950's were started by Arabs . Arabs started and lost and blame Israel@somedude8613
NONE OF THEM ARE PREPARED. They ALL solely stick to their one sided, biased, lying Muslim websites for their grossly erroneous and backwards info then try running w that. As a result, they’re left looking and sounding foolish and wrong. It doesn’t help that they’re all hypocrites either. What’s good for them is not good for others. It’s truly ignorant.
@@user-pd7il3xz5j I agree with you in most cases of pro-Palestinians, but this kid is actually Palestinian descendant and seems like he’s just committed to the cause that his dad and grandpa never stopped talking about… but he hasn’t thought it through critically. I do think he seems like a good person at heart though
The Muslim guy seems so lost from all the facts that Joseph told him and he will probably now have a lot to think about. Yes he looks really lost! Thank you very much Joseph 👏🏽👏🏽
He even admits that a Jew would face discrimination in most Arab countries but it’s only in Israel that he has a different set of rules which are because of his PLA control of his family and rules they negotiated that he has to follow because he wants to retain Palestinian specific welfare benefits.
Ok I just finished this. Joseph’s like a guy looking right at a mountain range arguing with a guy with a blindfold who’s saying the mountains are really a lake… it’s impressive to win that, but baffling to watch as a third person
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the whole area was called Judea and then the name of the land was changed to palestinia by a roman emperor because of a Jewish revolt.
It's a bit a more complicated than that, The land was called israel (the borders aren't entirely clear look up kingdom of israel on wikipedia, there's a picture), it was the kingdom of israel which later became the kindom of Israel(samaria) and the kingdom of judea, later down the line israel was no longer(conquered, collapsed, doesn't really matter) point is judea became the dominant power, during the herod era(roman vassal) judea controlled most of israel, and when the jews revolted later down the line the romans changed the name of the area and fused it with syria, calling syria-palestina.
Unfortunately too many people are either ignorant or lying about what is a "war crime". They keep trying to use the requirements for two standardized uniformed militaries facing off to criticize a standardized army fighting a non uniformed gorilla force. The harsh truth is you lose most of the Geneva protections when you fight like that. The standardized military basically has the ability to execute enemies on sight.
Great respect Yosef for your patience in trying to explain to someone who is not ready to have an open and honest conversation but simply tries to avoid your questions or explains things partially and omits the important facts. It's really frustrating to have a conversation like this.
Colonialism means when a country occupies a place outside of itself, subjugated the people and imposes laws in them and brings in new settlers. Article 39 of the Fourth Geneva Convention condemns the action of an occupying power removing the inhabitants and replacing them with settlers from the occupying country. Israel has invested billions into fueling settlements in East Jerusalem and in the West Bank (mainly Area C) and is now keeping 600,000 Israelis in those settlements while Palestinians face restrictions like carrying ID and going through multiple checkpoints for hours just to get from the West Bank to Jerusalem! During Apartheid South Africa, Black South Africans were excluded or not allowed to visit certain parts were govt restricted them from going and had to undergoe lots of checks just for a town not even 10 km away. Is this not what Israel is practicing? Even the wall built by Israel in the West Bank between settlements and the Palestinian area shows true Apartheid. Because you can see the contrast of living on both sides. In Apartheid South Africa, the Blacks would live in townships and the Whites in the good conditioned homes. Palestinians in the West Bank also lack access to services unlike the settlements
When I hear people blame Israel alone and not hamass, I think of an abusive husband that just finished beating his wife and she blames the neighbor that lives blocks away even though the neighbor had nothing to do with the situation. The neighbor doesn't even know these people. No one is talking about what hamass is doing to its own people.
When u use children and clivlians to protect yourself from IDF air attacks but blame IDF for killing them when they bombed Hamas targets in civlian neighborhood. They blame Israel which is shame
The most scary thing, that that pro-polsetinian guy start to smile almost every time when Joseph reveal weakness of his arguments. I am not a profiler, but i think that pro-polsetinian guy knows that he is lying. It is very scary. He is not ignorant. He is liar.
The assumption that oppression causes barbaric behavior is just ridiculous. Even if Palestinians were oppressed, there is no excuse for raping and killing innocents. Palestinians have been given so many opportunities to form their own state.
I think he has a point. I also think it is more about collective narratives and how we think to make sense of our experiences. Maybe both groups who have in fact objectively been used and oppressed by another group and those who explain their suffering in referense to specific collective trauma, individual actions or historic conflicts in a way that is more subjective and can be disputed, will in certain circumstances lash out and act with cruelty, even dehumanizing the other.
@@AdamandEve639 if oppression causes barbaric behavior then why don’t Palestinians turn on Hamas. They are the governing body in Gaza and have hoarded billions of dollars in international aide and done nothing for the economy. The unemployment in Gaza is like 50% and this is not Israel’s fault. Actually Israel employs about 1% of the Gazan population.
Joseph I have a question. This kid seems like a nice, if misguided person. I’m also a Jew and a Zionist but I think I’m open minded and certainly want peace, I’m curious if you’ve ever heard a reasonable, intelligent, nonviolent argument from one of these people?
The only arguments that I've heard come from those who overestimate the capacity of secular groups within Gaza/West Bank to form a tolerant/non-theocratic government in lieu of the Israeli government and who underestimate the capacity of groups like Hamas to commit evil. At best, they have rose-colored glasses.
In all fairness, he's a product of the white supremacy/settlers/colonialism paradigm that is taken for granted. Not based on reason. Frankly, plenty of J's signed onto this in the West and are now reaping the whirlwind as it has turned on them.
Islam doesn't compromise or make peace it demands SUBMISSION.................. IT IS INTRINSICALLY A FASCISTIC ,TOTALITARIAN SUPREMACIST IDEOLOGY The reason there will never be peace is that islam believes it should never lose a war and when it does it never accepts peace totally or fully accept the status quo and will resort to terrorism perpetually
I really couldn't imagine such a young Palestinian being able to deal with this, especially under the circumstances. Truthfully, I don't think I could, at all. Thank you.
Palestine is a made-up nation in the 1960's by Arafat. Palestine was just a region ...no such thing as Palestinian nation!!! Why are you, Joseph, agreeing with this misconception??
To both - HUGE respect on the ability to sit down and talk as opposed to shouting and tempers.....you both are an example of what can be achieved with rational debate even if both on opposite poles - this is where peace originates from...
I'd like to see Tariq answer to the anti-Semitic speeches of Mustafa Barghouti, Mohammed Hijab, Hasan Nasrallah, Abdulla al Andalusi, Ghazi Hamad, Takadum al-Khatib. Just to name a few.
So the majority of Palestinians in the region support what Hamas did on Oct 7th, not to mention the overwhelming majority of sympathizers worldwide who refuse to condemn it, yet this guy is crying about not having freedom of movement in Israel? What am I not understanding about this?
To the Palestinians it's their homeland, it's where they used to live and the generations before them before it was stolen. For mant of them there are Israelis living in their own houses that they stole. Do you understand? You can hardly blame them for supporting a retaliation against their fascist oppressors. I certainly would if I was trapped in Gaza.
@darcymr353 How are they trapped if they have a border with Egypt? Ohh thats right they don't want them cause they know the consequences of taking in palestinians in as refugees. Jordon will forget the consequences of taking them in.
According to an IMPACT-se report, UNRWA-produced educational literature “contains material that encourages jihad, violence and martyrdom, promotes antisemitism, and promotes hate, intolerance, and lack of neutrality.” Among the content that IMPACT-se flagged was a grammar exercise teaching that “the Palestinians sacrifice their blood to liberate Jerusalem,” the statement said. Other exercises include sentences about “Jihad warriors” against “the occupier,” commitment to “liberate” Palestine, and “resisting the enemy courageously,” according to the report. A poem teaches students that to die as a martyr by killing Israelis is a “hobby.” “The poem glorifies the rejection of a peaceful ceasefire during battle, presenting peace-making as a sign of weakness,” it said.
Debating pro Palestine people is pointless because they can’t admit any wrongdoing at all. Palestine aren’t the good guys. Sorry to say it but when your run by a terrorist group your not the good guys.
Hearing you speak your views in that accent makes me both happy and sad. Im not Jewish at all but my grandad was a taxi driver in Sunderland/Gateshead/Newcastle/North and South Shields in the 70s and 80s and had a regular contract to take Jewish children to Hebrew school and back in the evenings. They loved him so much they made him up a song that my mam sang to me when I was little,Yiddish and all. And he made up one to sing back and make them smile. Now I sing both now to my own little son. Your faith and accent always makes me think of him, how much he loved those kids and they loved him and gives me hope that one day we can all get back to living together as brothers. On the other hand hearing your accent having to defend your people’s right to exist makes me realise how we have taken a big step backwards. The Jewish community in the North East is a huge (and positive) part of the regions history. I’m not going to pretend it’s always been sunshine and rainbows, but I’m genuinely ashamed you have to have debates like this one. My grandad would be turning over in his grave. It’s odd what things can hit your emotional buttons sometimes.
I still don’t understand why the Palestine people don’t call for HAMAS to stand down the moment this happens the path to peace starts… it shows how truly evil the world has become.
38:28 - A VERY GREAT POINT made by Joseph, but Tareq ignored it by acting as if he was in a haste to ask a question he always wanted. He ran away from what Joseph said that the JEWS DO NOT HAVE their ONE AND ONLY HOLY SITE, JERUSALEM in the TEMPLE MOUNT. But for the Palestinian Muslims, they have their 1st holy site, Mecca, 2nd Holy site, Medina, and third Holy site, Jerusalem. But yet the Palestinian Muslims play victims. Whereas, the Jews do not have Jerusalem (which was in Judah/Judea) their first and ancient capital city where their first kings King Saul ruled Isreal, King David ruled Israel and King Solomon ruled Israel. The Jews do not have Jerusalem where their first and only Jewish temple was built. It's in the hands of Palestine. Muhammad went and built a mosque in Jerusalem 1000s of years later, long after the 2nd Jewish Jerusalem temple was destroyed by the Byzantine Empire in AD 70. This 2nd Jerusalem temple was the same temple that Jesus and his followers went to in the Bible New Testament. Centuries later, Mohammad went and built the Al Aqsa mosque over there - on the site of the destroyed Jewish temple! And now this is with the Palestinian Muslims. Yet the Palestinians call themselves the victims without giving he Jews their one and only holy place to build their previous temple and worship there, while the Palestinians go to their 3 places of worship.
Their Mosque on the Temple Mount was not even built by Muslim. It was a church build by Justinian after 330 AD. They stole this church and made a mosque out of it. Stealing is all they can do.
Tareq's analogy to native Americans and other natives fighting colonialist powers says everything about the Palestinian narrative. When Europeans came to the Americas, they didn't find artifacts written in English or Dutch or Spanish etc. They didn't find evidence of their ancestors and their culture and their traditions, Because they clearly had no previous ties to the land. Of course, the situation for Jews in Israel is totally different because that is the indigenous land of the Jews. But the Palestinian narrative makes them like the Native Americans and the Jews like the Europeans, and it is why common ground can't be found until they accept the Jewish historical presence and indigeneity.
I completely agree. There will never be a resolution if Palestinians don't accept our rights in the land as well as their complicity in arab Islamic colonialism.
Arafat got eliminated for his change towards Israel. After that was a civil war going on between Fatah and Hamas supporters. That was when Israel left Gaza, in favour of peace! So why the supporters of the terrorist regimes always spread the lies, that it was only Palestine who offered peace and Israel always rejected? Facts are, that it was mainly the palestinian regime who rejected offers or broke agreements.
the sad thing is that this kid walked away believing his absolutely pathetic performance was solid . They seem to think that having no historical knowledge can be offset with buzzwords and emotional appeals.
Possibly, the audio broke and it took a long time to fix with AI in post production. If we have time we'll upload to our members section (or we might upload with broken audio - lots of hissing and crackling)
You know someone’s losing when they can’t be quiet and wait for their turn to present facts. Instead they hoop and holler when they can’t follow the real history
I understand that this Palestinian person talks of genocide from the Jewish Scriptures, but ignores the many genocides that Mohammad did in the lands he went to. Where are the Qureshis, Jews, Christians, Sabians, and other pagan Arabs who lived in Arabia during the time of Mohammad? Mohammad gave them no good or peaceful options other than CONVERT to Islam. The choices or options he gave them were - CONVERT to Islam or DIE (be killed by the sword), - CONVERT to Islam or pay the JIZIYA (be burdened with heavy taxes), - CONVERT to Islam or FLEE (to leave their homes and belongings if they wanted to be a family. That was the height of his intolerance towards other religious people! Thus, that land became a Muslim area through fearful conversions mostly in terror.
And , hello again...many of the Gazans that worked in Israel provided information concerning where the safe rooms were and the layout of the kibbutzim that were infiltrated.
Until 1967 the West Bank was under Jordanian control and the Gaza Strip was under Egyptian control. Israel didn’t plan the six day war to conquer the West Bank and Gaza but defended itself from total annihilation by all the surrounding states. So basically Arab countries brought the “occupation” upon the Palestinians. And since then, there was no normalization in the region which denied Israel from letting the Arabs build a Palestinian state out of fear of annihilation. Israel has never issued an unprovoked war against Palestinians or Arab nations. In 1948 the independence scroll literally states that any person, Jew, Arab or else, can stay and help the creation of the state and shall be granted full citizenship. The Arabs then decided to launch a full out war for the destruction of Israel. Israel intended to give citizenship to any person Arab Jew or else if they stayed there. Some did stay and got citizenship that’s how there are currently over 2 million Arab citizens in Israel. Palestinians have chosen over and over again to fight instead of living with peace. After multiple tries of peace that never succeeded it was very hard for Israel to trust the Palestinians with their own state which they can use to militarize and launch wars against Israel which is exactly what happens now in Gaza after it had been freed from any “occupation” at 2005 and when hamas took control at 2007. Israel is not to blame on the current situation/conflict as it tried to resolve it from day one without any cooperation from the Palestinian people
@ 1:10:23. I really do not appreciate a Palestinian trying to compare their plight to the native American. The European had no claim to our land at all. I think Europeans committed genocide throughout the manifest destiny period. Once we were defeated we began to strike deals as a way to preserve our people. Palestinians have experienced none of that in their war against brothers. Be honest they are all just as European as each other. The Mediterranean was called a Roman pond for a reason.
1:25:00+ Please tell this young man that the video showed 100s of young Gazan men yipping, hollering, whistling & celebrating as they spat & hit the young, naked corpse of the girl in the back of that pick up truck as it drove through the crowded streets of Gaza. It wasn't a few bad apples, it was 100s of men, and those men were drunk with a weird hateful glee as they tried to attack & mutilate her body. It's one of the most disturbing & disgusting things ever captured on video. That video was a clear window into the mindset of Gazans regarding their attitude towards Jews. They clearly have a murderous hatred of Jews. Consequently, we now know there will never be a 2 state solution after what happened on October 7.
The fact he wasnt born in " Palestine " yet counts as a number there is strange but also shows Palestinian is a race not a nation ? I was raised as where your born is your nationality so this im Palestinian but was born in uk is confussing to me . And if you takk to him again ask him about the zones a b c in ( the wesr bank ) please
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Joseph as a British national your case in Judea and Samaria would be adjudicated by a military court.
@@beng2729 this is not my area and will definitely look into it, but if I challenge a parking violation in Ariel, I assume this would not be in a military court?
If I was arrested for theft in Ariel, I assume I would not be tried in a military court?
It's not my area, but I think you're mistaken.
@Israel_Advocacy Officially, military courts are authorized to try anyone who commits an offense in the West Bank, including settlers, Israeli citizens residing in Israel, and foreign nationals. However, in the early 1980s, the Attorney General decided that Israeli citizens would be tried in the Israeli civilian court system according to Israeli penal laws.
I live in an Israeli settlment in Judea. We live right next to Bethlehem. Was listening to the debate as I was walking past a Muslim praying on the sidewalk.
Question is what was he praying for?
ive never seen a palestinian cosplaying as a palestinian before
That was a great way of expressing it.
@@saraleigh5336 is he even Islam?
I think his real name is Barry. Pronounced 'Barreh'
He's a muddled up English kid wearing his mums tea towels self identifying as Palestinian 😂
Fact: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem - Mohammed Amin al-Husseini discussed with Hitler in 1941, the extermination of all Jews from all Arab lands 7 years before The State of Israel was even created. If the Palestinian people insist on having leaders (for 82 years now) who call for our annihilation, we have the moral right and obligation to resist.
Oh we know…..we know
It was in 1938 and he begged Adolf Hitler not to go on with his preliminary plan : deporting the Jews of Europe back to their country of origin, Israel and also to Madagascar..
Husseini also helped recruit muslims to join the muslim SS division, the hanshar division.
That is the reason why the Serbs took hard revenge on the bosniac muslims during the Yugoslavian civil war. The muslim SS have murdered many people during WW2 just like not all but too many muslims do nowadays..
Sorry to say this but islam is totally not compatible with other cultures. It is best that they remain in their own countries. The palestinians are not originally from Israel, they are descendants of bedouins from arab regions.
Of course they have to live somewhere but if they continuously commit islamic terror attacks, it is better that they go live in muslim countries..
It's the same thing with the muslims living in Europe and elsewhere : not all of them are bad people but really too many of them are involved in crime, riots, rape, street violence and islamic terrorism..
Their numbers are growing, an independent German study showed that around 50% of muslim youths in Europe are radical and radicalising so it's a mix of both..
There is only 1 humane solution: a majority of people must live in their countries of origin.. The rest, the real moderate people are welcome to live wherever they are an added value..
And duty to resist…
@@lkjlkj-gx1gxI believe it was the Ayatollah who had the plan and it was before hitler was even an adult. I don’t have all the details, but it was before the turn of the 20th century.
It was in 1938 that Amin Al Husseini spoke with Hitler and convinced him not to deport the Jews of Europe back to their country of origin and to Madagascar..
Amin Al Husseini also helped recruit muslim men to join to the islamic SS division, the hanshar divizion..
This is a good example for the Pro Palestines' ignorance. Thank you Josef for your patience
Thank you for supporting the channel!
100% whenever a valid negative point was brought up against Palestine or Hamas , he kept saying put that to one side.
You have so much patience, Joseph! I suggest you identify Tariq's rephrasing. At about 1:25, he justifies the violence, the mutilation and abuse of corpses because they have "been dehumanized." @@Israel_Advocacy
Pure evil, not ignorant. They know the truth, they'll never admit it
The guy literally had a tough time making a call about kill and rape, because he had not seen the video himself, and the moment someone offered the clip, he said, "no, I don't want to see it."
Equating Palestinian prisoners and Jewish hostages is despicable.
I was shocked. That says it all.
Except many thousands of the prisoners have never been tried for anything and are teenagers
@@LocoGeorge123No, that's the Strawman Arguement.
You're despicable
They are both prisoners ... what is the difference ?
As an Israeli, I just want to point out how I appreciate your and Tareq's willingness to sit, talk and listen, despite the major differences in belief and idea.
I agree - it really is the only way forward
@@zoeyacoub6226 I dont see how it is the way forward to be honest. I think Yishai Fleisher has the right approach. There's really only one way to deal with this. We tell them "look this is our tribal lands, you can either live here in peace as guests, or return to your tribal lands". The two predominant ideas of a "one state with equal rights" and a "two state solution" are both solutions that lead to the Jewish people once again being forced off our tribal lands. In the one state solution, it happens immediately, in the two state, it happens more slowly. There's only one solution: an unequivocal and unapologetic Jewish state from the river to the sea.
@@trollnerdgood luck getting anyone to agree with that. Almost everyone believes Israelis are genociders
As a human, i want to point out how ur people are the most evil in the world, objectively.
Colonialism means when a country occupies a place outside of itself, subjugated the people and imposes laws in them and brings in new settlers. Article 39 of the Fourth Geneva Convention condemns the action of an occupying power removing the inhabitants and replacing them with settlers from the occupying country. Israel has invested billions into fueling settlements in East Jerusalem and in the West Bank (mainly Area C) and is now keeping 600,000 Israelis in those settlements while Palestinians face restrictions like carrying ID and going through multiple checkpoints for hours just to get from the West Bank to Jerusalem! During Apartheid South Africa, Black South Africans were excluded or not allowed to visit certain parts were govt restricted them from going and had to undergoe lots of checks just for a town not even 10 km away. Is this not what Israel is practicing? Even the wall built by Israel in the West Bank between settlements and the Palestinian area shows true Apartheid. Because you can see the contrast of living on both sides. In Apartheid South Africa, the Blacks would live in townships and the Whites in the good conditioned homes. Palestinians in the West Bank also lack access to services unlike the settlements
This kid does not really know history. Thank you, Jospeh, for teaching him some history.
Agreed, yet sadly, he is one of the more reasonable people I've listened to advocating for the Palestinian perspective.
Given the propaganda he was subjected to, he's remarkably educated and reasonable. Let's be fair human to human. The fact he has such a relatively nuanced position, means he probably is one of the rare free thinking people. And I'm going to keep it real: most people, regardless of what group they belong to, are not able to truly think for themselves. Tariq and Josef are some of the few.
Tariq deserves major respect for engaging the way he does!
u mean this history?
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@@kayjay7585 even the guy with the "nuanced position" repeated the term "genocide" roughly 3 hundred times whilst also simultaneously being strinkigly unable to condemn the rape and mutilation of a young girl...says it all...
As so often happens with people like this young man, I've never seen anyone fight so hard to remain not only wrong, but ignorant.
Evil spokesman even?
He seems very emotionally involved and I'm sure at the very least Josef has given him food for thought. It's not easy to admit or accept your side's mistakes and this is an incredibly tribal conflict. We (Jews, Israelis) are not much different
succinct and accurate
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It seriously baffles me how 99% of these pro Palestinians have no idea of the history of Palestine or Israel because im a normal englishman who isn't religious in the slightest yet i know both countries history's just through simple research, im loving the channel and loving how you debate aswell you always keep it respectful and very factual so keep up the good work Joseph 👍 I would also like to add that even though Tareq is wrong about a lot of history it's nice to see a pro Palestinian actually speak and debate properly instead of just screaming utter madness when they are wrong or don't know the answers to questions posed to them like they do at speakers corner
If you believe in Islam you can lie all the time!! This is completely the agenda that every Muslim believes in. This Muslim guy is disgustingly delusional!!!
If they knew history and deep into understanding Israel they would understand Israel is the best country for Arabs
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There are many Arabs in Israel who say this and prefer Jewish rule. Not everyone talks about it, because they are afraid of the environment, but I have heard many Arabs say that they are comfortable in Israel.
@@Ironngirl much better then any of the corrupt Arab countries
Would assume even stuff like getting scholarships as an Arab would be easier then in some corrupt Arab state
health care is better too
Actually almost everything is better for Arabs in Israel
@@Ironngirli am circassian and i would probably k** myself if i was living in an arab state compared to israel
Applause for your civil discourse! What a great conversation! Thank you so much for this. I haven’t heard anyone from the 2 sides sit and have a conversation without shouting sound bites and slogans at each other since Oct 7. Both of you are a credit to humanity
Israeli Palestinan arabs have the same rights. Non Israeli Palestinians are not citizens of Israel.
What is the issue. Do Israelis have the same rights in Jordan?
agreed! my mom's side of the family is arab israeli. they have all the same rights as any other israeli people. the idea that "oh no people in the west bank cant vote in israeli election" or other claims are insane. can a canadian vote in an american election? no. is that apartheid? no. its a different country.
The issue is that the Occupation cannot continue forever.
More like do Israelis have the same rights as Palestinians in Palestine or Gaza.
No they don’t. They would never be able to get a job, hold a position in the Palestinian authority, be able to marry or date a Palestinian woman, etc. I am appalled at how every points fingers towards Israel when Israel let’s whomever do whatever until you get in Gaza or Palestine.
@cpp1390 Same. I don't understand why Israeli woman rebuff the advances of Gazan men, whose only kink is that they want to use nails as part of intercorse.
Joseph, you have infinite patience and generosity. Thank you for your clarity and knowledge
I died laughing when that Peled clown called him a bully. He's as far from a bully as you can possibly get. I guess he bullies people with the truth.
Please ask this very Arab-looking man that even I would distinguish his appearance on the street from any Jewish appearance. So, ask him how different your path would be when traveling to Iran or Afghanistan?
If his main argument is that he is treated different in Israel because he is a Palestinian, how is a jew treated in every other arab country in the middle east? I dont understand why Israel are held to these standards when no other country gets even a question for the way they treat other races.
Because Israel is democratic state.
@@petarprasevic Because Israel is a Jewish state.
He is complaining about nothing I as an Indian citizen if I want to visit Pakistan for a holy sight ( i am Sikh Punjabi) the Pakistanis will check me make sure I’m not a terrorist they will make sure I come in peace this isn’t discrimination this is self defence Pakistan will be dojng the right thing
Thank you! Was thinking the same thing when listening 😂
I've been to the middle east, not really by choice, and have to say it really really sucks. Why anyone would be having a debate on how they would be treated there is beyond me. Why would anyone go there in the first place? I would rather have a nice trip to England.
Thank you Tariq for your willingness to speak frankly.
I must say that based on most pro Palestine arguments I'm hearing, it seems they are really genuinely confused as to why Jews didn't joyfully rape and behead German civilians after the holocaust. I don't know if it says more about Muslims or Jews.
In any event, it's clear that if Israel were to call itself a Muslim country - most if not all criticism against it from the Islamic world would disappear overnight. If that doesn't highlight the ridiculousness behind their position, I don't know what will.
I love this channel, I still think a name change would reach a broader audience but either way keep up the great work❤
Thank you for the suggestion.
We're contemplating a name change or splitting into multiple channels (an organisational channel, Joseph having his own channel, etc.).
We're open to ideas.
Arabs sided with Nazi,s look at history
Your channel is excellent. I hadn’t thought of a name change, but that would actually be very smart.
An interesting name for a channel for Joseph could be @Ktonet_Paseem, or something more neutral like @Levant_Advocacy or even @al-Sham_advocacy
They tried and failed. Look up Abba Kovner, The Avengers, and the Poison Plot of 1946. They tried to kill millions of Germans by poisoning the water supplies of major German cities but the British stopped the conspiracy at the last minute.
@nthed I love your point "I must say that based on most pro Palestine arguments I'm hearing, it seems they are really genuinely confused as to why Jews didn't joyfully rape and behead German civilians after the holocaust. I don't know if it says more about Muslims or Jews"
If you can’t even say that raping and murdering a young women is evil, you’re already on the wrong side 😭😭 wtf
Can’t believe theirs women that can’t even make this statement!
I will always stand with Israel
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Would you want Hamas as neighbors ❓️ I don't
Whoever wants them can move there
Even the other Arab countries don't want them😂
@@Yohanes8.6 obviously who wants isis
No Hamas! Not now Not ever!
dont go there
I will always stand with Israel
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I would never want Hamas as neighbors
Palestinians never wanted zionists as neighbors. Zionists forced themselves onto palestinians in rude, barbaric, illegal or immoral ways
always? so you would support israel in the case that they commit genocide. Take down your american flag, you are loyal to Israel.
This kid wants you to be so upset with what Israel is doing but when it comes to Hamas he doesn't care at all.
The problem is he and the people who think like him just blame everything on the supposed occupation. They don't seem to get that a person - and I'm trying to say this without being insulting and I suspect I will fail - civilized to today's moral standards, won't do what Hamas did/does under even the worst circumstances. It's just not in too many Muslim's mental vocabulary to draw the line somewhere before total domination or complete annihilation. They are by and large a warring people. They seem to be more comfortable with that than what marks success in the modern world. For instance, since UNRWA, they have had access to tremendous education and what do they do with it? Learn to more effective killers, that's about it from what I see. It's a shame for the relative handful who are ready to move into modernity. Hopefully it's more than a handful, but I'm not convinced.
Provably because hamas bombed israel and made them feel how kids in gaza feel every day, palestine has the right to defend itsself
Why should someone be more angry about a terrorist attack from 3 months ago, than the active genocide of their own people that’s been going on for months. You are absolutely delusional
They see it, celebrate it, then deny it.
That's the majority of this idiotic world actually
That kid is justifying what those monsters did to the girl on the back of a truck. He's disgusting!
Shani Louk, she never even served in the IDF.
The West could not understand the Middle Eastern logic. It’s a different civilization.
More unlearned.
He’s not justifying it. If you watched the video you’d know. He said it’s wrong.
He condemned H#mas more than once.
This young Palestinian seems to have sincerity, but is sincerely lost in his thinking, cause it’s clearly not his own thinking that he’s espousing.
Because they are all brainwashed.
Oh Dear... stop unrwa from teaching hate to your children. Stop training them to be martyrs. Teach love, forget hate and we can all get along.
Tarek, have you not seen Farfour?
@@Viv_from_Irl *Farfour (or farfur)
@@Viv_from_Irlyou mean Ali Dawah?
How about giving that ppl reason teach hate ? We should stop it right ?. Why Nettanyahu disagree to Obama proposal, to pull up settlements in Palestine land ?
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The old community of Jews that used to live in Gaza perished in Islamist riots of 1929, concurrent with dozens of other communities, the massacre in Hebron was documented, you can see the photos of that ISIS style massacre in archives of the NYT. Photos similar to the gut churning photos of the massacre of Oct. 7 only in black and white.
1929 is 19 years before the reinstitution of Israel, 38 years before Israel got into Gaza strip, 37 years before the process of appropriating the title Palestinians by Arabs has even started.
The arab knows nothing is almost laughable 😂
It would be funny if it was not true for 2bill humans..
Tareq's arguments generate a feeling of free falling. It is so weird. Yoseph well done for your patience. Really. I had to stop every few minutes, it is so difficult to handle so many inaccuracies and complete disregard of anything really
Yes, very frustrating. Kudos to Joseph.
I'm pro Palestine and I couldn't even listen to the Palestinian guy. Good grief
😮" if you were allowed to and you walked into Israel, nothing would happen to you "
What ???
I am currently reading “The Palestinian Delusion” by Robert Spencer and am learning a lot! Should be required reading, especially for Palestinian citizens who don’t even know the history of the land they live on or the conflict!
Dang, you would have made a great Rhodesian!
tariq opens his mouth and lies
why do you have to find common ground?
I feel I've been watching a very poorly matched jiu-jitsu cage fight, where one contender is a black belt, and the other a yellow belt. I credit the yellow belt for being civil throughout the debate. I also admire him for his passion and confidence. Indeed, I've little doubt that this confidence is, at least in part, nourished by the knowledge that the vast majority of young, university educated masses, stand in his corner. This probably explains his willingness to enter the cage equipped with what turns out to be a profound ignorance of ancient and modern history, coupled with an astonishing belief in fictions and theories unsupported by facts.
We really respect Tareq for sitting down and debating with a Zionist, most Palestinians would not. We disagree on almost everything, except wanting peace. For this he has more than earned our respect.
While I agree about the mismatch: the problem is that they number in the billions, and are fueled by arabic and chinese propaganda distributed by social media that just floods the information space ...
@Israel_Advocacy
I appreciate your openness and charitable reading of his intentions, but I don't think someone who is demanding a state that would inevitably turn into a breading ground for murdering more jews is someone who desires peace.
Isl*mophobia has been used to hide at least half of the factors contributing to this problem.
@@JenZee-oe2no Pls explain your comment.
This kid could seriously benefit from simply doing genetics testing. I could move to Hawaii but never be an indigenous Hawaiian. This kid would suggest that if a Canadian goose got lost and landed in Gaza it would now be a Palestinian goose. Even if all the Canadian geese migrated to Gaza they would still be Canadian geese.
Canada Goose are named after ornithologist John Canada
@@joshjaffe1796 Great, then you understand how migration works with animals.
Hamas killing their own people is that also part of being a freedomfighter?
Israel killing their own people is that part of self defense?
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I'm so tired of people justifying October 7th attack by saying it's because of the way the Israelis treat gazans. The reality is the Gazans and particularly the ruling parties on Gaza are responsible for the deplorable conditions and widespread poverty. Gaza has Mediterranean beaches. In theory Gaza could be a tourist destination but instead of investing in their beaches and building hotels, Hamas uses hundreds of millions in humanitarian aid to make rocket and recruit terrorists and then hides their terrorist infrastructure amongst civilian homes and schools etc...
Joseph is very well informed and is very knowledgeable about the truth of the Israeli/Palestinian debate. Good job defending our people and our homeland, Israel!
What about West bank? no Hamas and still Palestinians dying there?
@soulclean1983 incorrect. There are many gazans in the population of the west bank, many acting as terrorists Cells within the west bank. Also there are other terrorist extremists in the west bank such as Islamic jihad and other. The west bank has a long history of killing jews in the name of Allah.
Why do you think the 17 year military blockade on Gaza has zero impact on the economy?
And when the "Palestinians" took over Gaza, tearing many Israelis off of their land, the whole infrastructure was decimated by the Gazans. The farms, factories, homes, buildings... everything!!
They took the materials and used it to start building their war against Israel.
Excellent points! I too dispise the excuses for 10/07. I don't think those people bothered to learn the details of that attack and I would be just as angry if it were done to Muslims. The fact that people justify it is almost more disturbing than the act itself
As far as i am concerned, Palestinians are Hamas.
I love Joseph’s facial expressions when this kid makes things up as he goes, and then changes direction when confronted 😂😂
Vicky Pollard on steroids !
Lol right!!!
1:18:00 - Israel should NOT provide water for Gaza as Hamas should provide for them, and Hamas has International Funding. If Gazans had to be protected by Israel, the minimum is that the Gazan civilians should not have celebrated October 7, and given protection to Hamas or hide them and their weapons.
Israel is NOT oppressing Gaza but Hamas is oppressing Gaza.
Standing with Israel in solidarity against extremism as a Christian. 🇮🇱🇺🇸🇮🇱
Jesus criticized the Jewish
And you will criticize Jesus
@@suhayla2016he didn't
Tariq cannot concede anything because it could end in death threats or worse for him. His own community would punish him for being honest. So he plays the game according to hamas and his "religion of piece(s)" out of fear and willing ignorance. He is a good example of why cult majority countries are so backward. Just imagine a debating competition in Gaza or Saudi or Afghanistan where the two sides debate islamic issues. After every match the side designated to criticise islam would be summariy executed by the audience.
Kid this is called war that Hamas started. Did you expect Israel to send flowers and chocolate after October 7th ❓️
You are a legend Joseph 🙌 thank you for all that you do for jews and Israel on a daily basis 💛🇮🇱💛
I really enjoyed the mutual respect here. So glad I just discovered Israel Advocacy, I have a lot to learn about Israel, as does Tariq I think. 😊
Thankyou for putting this full debate on your channel Josef, it's well needed. Maybe if you do live streams with knowledgeable people like yourself you can set up a superchat and people can send in donations to help support you✌🏾🔥
what do these debates accomplish?
@@thewkovacs316 the same thing that any debate accomplishes during any time of violence. To see that there is a peaceful way to communicate difference and gain understanding. Ofcourse not all people want to talk. But people who truly want peace always want to talk.
@@thewkovacs316Well, it proves how off and wrong this young Arab is.
Tariq doesn’t seem to understand that the Palestinian leadership absolutely doesn’t want a two- state solution.😮
Why is he wearing an Iraqi Kufiyah? I have seen that alot but like everything to do with "palestine" it isnt real or from there, even claiming a scarf from Iraq as being "palestinian"
Why is the video poster posing as a jew while he is a despicable zionist?
Palestinians have a issue claiming things that isn't theirs
This child of Gaza has no real information and is clearly agitated when any real facts are shared. There should be no support for Barbarism, or the sorrow that Hamas has rained down on Israel and now their use of the Gazan people as human shields. Hamas is to blame for it all.
Israel is still accountable for protecting civilian lives. I personally don't think Israel is being as careful as they should be to avoid killing civilians. I think they got angry after the Hamas attack, wanted vengeance and so weren't that careful at all. All that being said Israel needs to remove Hamas, that's pretty clear.
This boy is oblivious to history and he keeps on avoiding and coming to the same answer.
Someone tell this guy Yasser Arafat wasn’t born in “Palestine”. He was Egyptian.
In 2012, Fathi Hammad, Hamas Minister of Interior, was trying to get Egypt to help Gaza more on live television. During this interview, he accidentally blurted out “half of Palestinians are Egyptian, the other half are Saudis” when trying to gain sympathy and unintentionally debunking Palestinian indigeneity in the process
The palestinian cry about gaza, than y did they start the war, Israel didn't start it 🙄
Of course Israel started it! They started it in 1948, 1956, 1967 and still continues until now. Israel is to blame
@@somedude8613turn the other cheek, oct 7th must not be justified.
@@Jonnyguywrestle Turn the other cheek. What happened before and after the 7th must not be justified.
1948 un devided borders between Israel and Palestine and 8 arab armies invaded Israel yes totally Israel started the war , 1967 war arab nations declared war on Israel and yet lost . Yes i agree Israel totally started the war by being peaceful. Also after 1948 war Palestine was occupied by Egypt and Jordan. Then 1971 Egypt and Syria attacked Israel and yet lost. Now 2023 oct 7 Hamas attacked Israel and failed to invade Israel. Most of the wars except the one in 1950's were started by Arabs . Arabs started and lost and blame Israel@@somedude8613
@@somedude86131948 un devided borders between Israel and Palestine and 8 arab armies invaded Israel yes totally Israel started the war , 1967 war arab nations declared war on Israel and yet lost . Yes i agree Israel totally started the war by being peaceful. Also after 1948 war Palestine was occupied by Egypt and Jordan. Then 1971 Egypt and Syria attacked Israel and yet lost. Now 2023 oct 7 Hamas attacked Israel and failed to invade Israel. Most of the wars except the one in 1950's were started by Arabs . Arabs started and lost and blame Israel@somedude8613
This pro-Palestinian man didn’t come prepared, but he seems like a good person. He made it very clear that he couldn’t respond to your points
NONE OF THEM ARE PREPARED. They ALL solely stick to their one sided, biased, lying Muslim websites for their grossly erroneous and backwards info then try running w that. As a result, they’re left looking and sounding foolish and wrong. It doesn’t help that they’re all hypocrites either. What’s good for them is not good for others. It’s truly ignorant.
He came prepared with what he has been taught and what he believes. He supports what Hamas does. He is NOT a good person.
@@user-pd7il3xz5j I agree with you in most cases of pro-Palestinians, but this kid is actually Palestinian descendant and seems like he’s just committed to the cause that his dad and grandpa never stopped talking about… but he hasn’t thought it through critically. I do think he seems like a good person at heart though
so by the very logic - Russia must provide Ukraine with water and electricity?
The Muslim guy seems so lost from all the facts that Joseph told him and he will probably now have a lot to think about. Yes he looks really lost! Thank you very much Joseph 👏🏽👏🏽
You can never make them think they are brainwashed. They will never change their mind.
He even admits that a Jew would face discrimination in most Arab countries but it’s only in Israel that he has a different set of rules which are because of his PLA control of his family and rules they negotiated that he has to follow because he wants to retain Palestinian specific welfare benefits.
Please more debate content Joseph. Your good at it and it’s the best way of spreading the message I believe. Keep going.
Ok I just finished this. Joseph’s like a guy looking right at a mountain range arguing with a guy with a blindfold who’s saying the mountains are really a lake… it’s impressive to win that, but baffling to watch as a third person
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the whole area was called Judea and then the name of the land was changed to palestinia by a roman emperor because of a Jewish revolt.
You are not wrong
It's a bit a more complicated than that,
The land was called israel (the borders aren't entirely clear look up kingdom of israel on wikipedia, there's a picture), it was the kingdom of israel which later became the kindom of Israel(samaria) and the kingdom of judea, later down the line israel was no longer(conquered, collapsed, doesn't really matter) point is judea became the dominant power, during the herod era(roman vassal) judea controlled most of israel, and when the jews revolted later down the line the romans changed the name of the area and fused it with syria, calling syria-palestina.
That was brilliant. It’s rare you learn things throughout CZcams debates. Wow , good job Joey & guest!
Unfortunately too many people are either ignorant or lying about what is a "war crime". They keep trying to use the requirements for two standardized uniformed militaries facing off to criticize a standardized army fighting a non uniformed gorilla force. The harsh truth is you lose most of the Geneva protections when you fight like that. The standardized military basically has the ability to execute enemies on sight.
Some cultures hold pathos and message in higher value than being truthful and accurate..
this is absoulutly how a conversation supposed to be conducted. two very brave men.
Great respect Yosef for your patience in trying to explain to someone who is not ready to have an open and honest conversation but simply tries to avoid your questions or explains things partially and omits the important facts. It's really frustrating to have a conversation like this.
Not ready is the right word, not even for the school debating team. Douglas Murray wouldn't have been been kind.
Totally agree! Dont know how joseph remained calm!! Its infuriating
As a pro Israel Jew thank you both for having this conversation. Respect to you both!
Colonialism means when a country occupies a place outside of itself, subjugated the people and imposes laws in them and brings in new settlers. Article 39 of the Fourth Geneva Convention condemns the action of an occupying power removing the inhabitants and replacing them with settlers from the occupying country. Israel has invested billions into fueling settlements in East Jerusalem and in the West Bank (mainly Area C) and is now keeping 600,000 Israelis in those settlements while Palestinians face restrictions like carrying ID and going through multiple checkpoints for hours just to get from the West Bank to Jerusalem! During Apartheid South Africa, Black South Africans were excluded or not allowed to visit certain parts were govt restricted them from going and had to undergoe lots of checks just for a town not even 10 km away. Is this not what Israel is practicing? Even the wall built by Israel in the West Bank between settlements and the Palestinian area shows true Apartheid. Because you can see the contrast of living on both sides. In Apartheid South Africa, the Blacks would live in townships and the Whites in the good conditioned homes. Palestinians in the West Bank also lack access to services unlike the settlements
*solid contention*
"OK OK We can move on..."
When I hear people blame Israel alone and not hamass, I think of an abusive husband that just finished beating his wife and she blames the neighbor that lives blocks away even though the neighbor had nothing to do with the situation. The neighbor doesn't even know these people.
No one is talking about what hamass is doing to its own people.
You reminded me that Israel was being blamed for the abuse some Palestinian women suffered from their husbands.
As soon as you justify abusing a helpless girl, you have a serious problem with what humanity is all about!!!
Thank you🙌🏼
When u use children and clivlians to protect yourself from IDF air attacks but blame IDF for killing them when they bombed Hamas targets in civlian neighborhood. They blame Israel which is shame
He’s looking at his phone for someone to message him with some facts🤣🤣🤣🤣
that is all you got from the discussion? your imaginings?
@@marinakoshelev6006 yup😂😂😂
The most scary thing, that that pro-polsetinian guy start to smile almost every time when Joseph reveal weakness of his arguments. I am not a profiler, but i think that pro-polsetinian guy knows that he is lying. It is very scary. He is not ignorant. He is liar.
This is what drives Islam
He is Muslim, that is what is required in Islam
The assumption that oppression causes barbaric behavior is just ridiculous. Even if Palestinians were oppressed, there is no excuse for raping and killing innocents. Palestinians have been given so many opportunities to form their own state.
I think he has a point. I also think it is more about collective narratives and how we think to make sense of our experiences. Maybe both groups who have in fact objectively been used and oppressed by another group and those who explain their suffering in referense to specific collective trauma, individual actions or historic conflicts in a way that is more subjective and can be disputed, will in certain circumstances lash out and act with cruelty, even dehumanizing the other.
@@AdamandEve639 if oppression causes barbaric behavior then why don’t Palestinians turn on Hamas. They are the governing body in Gaza and have hoarded billions of dollars in international aide and done nothing for the economy. The unemployment in Gaza is like 50% and this is not Israel’s fault. Actually Israel employs about 1% of the Gazan population.
@@phytology as i wrote above
Give the kid credit for being open and willing to discuss these difficult things unlike a majority of his older peers.
Everybody loves to have calm and peaceful neighbours and not violent or wild neighbours like Hamas.
Joseph I have a question. This kid seems like a nice, if misguided person. I’m also a Jew and a Zionist but I think I’m open minded and certainly want peace, I’m curious if you’ve ever heard a reasonable, intelligent, nonviolent argument from one of these people?
The only arguments that I've heard come from those who overestimate the capacity of secular groups within Gaza/West Bank to form a tolerant/non-theocratic government in lieu of the Israeli government and who underestimate the capacity of groups like Hamas to commit evil. At best, they have rose-colored glasses.
Those three words are not in their vocabulary.
In all fairness, he's a product of the white supremacy/settlers/colonialism paradigm that is taken for granted. Not based on reason. Frankly, plenty of J's signed onto this in the West and are now reaping the whirlwind as it has turned on them.
Islam doesn't compromise or make peace it demands SUBMISSION.................. IT IS INTRINSICALLY A FASCISTIC ,TOTALITARIAN SUPREMACIST IDEOLOGY The reason there will never be peace is that islam believes it should never lose a war and when it does it never accepts peace totally or fully accept the status quo and will resort to terrorism perpetually
I really couldn't imagine such a young Palestinian being able to deal with this, especially under the circumstances. Truthfully, I don't think I could, at all. Thank you.
Indeed
Palestine is a made-up nation in the 1960's by Arafat. Palestine was just a region ...no such thing as Palestinian nation!!! Why are you, Joseph, agreeing with this misconception??
To both - HUGE respect on the ability to sit down and talk as opposed to shouting and tempers.....you both are an example of what can be achieved with rational debate even if both on opposite poles - this is where peace originates from...
I'd like to see Tariq answer to the anti-Semitic speeches of Mustafa Barghouti, Mohammed Hijab, Hasan Nasrallah, Abdulla al Andalusi, Ghazi Hamad, Takadum al-Khatib. Just to name a few.
right!
So the majority of Palestinians in the region support what Hamas did on Oct 7th, not to mention the overwhelming majority of sympathizers worldwide who refuse to condemn it, yet this guy is crying about not having freedom of movement in Israel? What am I not understanding about this?
To the Palestinians it's their homeland, it's where they used to live and the generations before them before it was stolen. For mant of them there are Israelis living in their own houses that they stole. Do you understand? You can hardly blame them for supporting a retaliation against their fascist oppressors. I certainly would if I was trapped in Gaza.
@darcymr353 How are they trapped if they have a border with Egypt? Ohh thats right they don't want them cause they know the consequences of taking in palestinians in as refugees. Jordon will forget the consequences of taking them in.
Joseph you’re amazing and this other man Tariq deserves much respect for being centered and respectful and charitable.
According to an IMPACT-se report, UNRWA-produced educational literature “contains material that encourages jihad, violence and martyrdom, promotes antisemitism, and promotes hate, intolerance, and lack of neutrality.”
Among the content that IMPACT-se flagged was a grammar exercise teaching that “the Palestinians sacrifice their blood to liberate Jerusalem,” the statement said.
Other exercises include sentences about “Jihad warriors” against “the occupier,” commitment to “liberate” Palestine, and “resisting the enemy courageously,” according to the report.
A poem teaches students that to die as a martyr by killing Israelis is a “hobby.”
“The poem glorifies the rejection of a peaceful ceasefire during battle, presenting peace-making as a sign of weakness,” it said.
Debating pro Palestine people is pointless because they can’t admit any wrongdoing at all. Palestine aren’t the good guys. Sorry to say it but when your run by a terrorist group your not the good guys.
Hearing you speak your views in that accent makes me both happy and sad.
Im not Jewish at all but my grandad was a taxi driver in Sunderland/Gateshead/Newcastle/North and South Shields in the 70s and 80s and had a regular contract to take Jewish children to Hebrew school and back in the evenings. They loved him so much they made him up a song that my mam sang to me when I was little,Yiddish and all. And he made up one to sing back and make them smile. Now I sing both now to my own little son.
Your faith and accent always makes me think of him, how much he loved those kids and they loved him and gives me hope that one day we can all get back to living together as brothers.
On the other hand hearing your accent having to defend your people’s right to exist makes me realise how we have taken a big step backwards. The Jewish community in the North East is a huge (and positive) part of the regions history. I’m not going to pretend it’s always been sunshine and rainbows, but I’m genuinely ashamed you have to have debates like this one. My grandad would be turning over in his grave.
It’s odd what things can hit your emotional buttons sometimes.
Beautiful comment. G-d bless you!
This story litetally made me tear up
thank you for providing the platform for one of the most civil debates on youtube on this topic
I still don’t understand why the Palestine people don’t call for HAMAS to stand down the moment this happens the path to peace starts… it shows how truly evil the world has become.
38:28 - A VERY GREAT POINT made by Joseph, but Tareq ignored it by acting as if he was in a haste to ask a question he always wanted. He ran away from what Joseph said that the JEWS DO NOT HAVE their ONE AND ONLY HOLY SITE, JERUSALEM in the TEMPLE MOUNT. But for the Palestinian Muslims, they have their 1st holy site, Mecca, 2nd Holy site, Medina, and third Holy site, Jerusalem. But yet the Palestinian Muslims play victims.
Whereas, the Jews do not have Jerusalem (which was in Judah/Judea) their first and ancient capital city where their first kings King Saul ruled Isreal, King David ruled Israel and King Solomon ruled Israel.
The Jews do not have Jerusalem where their first and only Jewish temple was built. It's in the hands of Palestine. Muhammad went and built a mosque in Jerusalem 1000s of years later, long after the 2nd Jewish Jerusalem temple was destroyed by the Byzantine Empire in AD 70. This 2nd Jerusalem temple was the same temple that Jesus and his followers went to in the Bible New Testament. Centuries later, Mohammad went and built the Al Aqsa mosque over there - on the site of the destroyed Jewish temple! And now this is with the Palestinian Muslims. Yet the Palestinians call themselves the victims without giving he Jews their one and only holy place to build their previous temple and worship there, while the Palestinians go to their 3 places of worship.
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Their Mosque on the Temple Mount was not even built by Muslim. It was a church build by Justinian after 330 AD. They stole this church and made a mosque out of it. Stealing is all they can do.
Agreed. They get their three high holy sites, we get one wall in Jerusalem. That's pretty telling isn't it?
Tareq's analogy to native Americans and other natives fighting colonialist powers says everything about the Palestinian narrative. When Europeans came to the Americas, they didn't find artifacts written in English or Dutch or Spanish etc. They didn't find evidence of their ancestors and their culture and their traditions, Because they clearly had no previous ties to the land. Of course, the situation for Jews in Israel is totally different because that is the indigenous land of the Jews. But the Palestinian narrative makes them like the Native Americans and the Jews like the Europeans, and it is why common ground can't be found until they accept the Jewish historical presence and indigeneity.
I completely agree. There will never be a resolution if Palestinians don't accept our rights in the land as well as their complicity in arab Islamic colonialism.
Arafat got eliminated for his change towards Israel. After that was a civil war going on between Fatah and Hamas supporters. That was when Israel left Gaza, in favour of peace! So why the supporters of the terrorist regimes always spread the lies, that it was only Palestine who offered peace and Israel always rejected? Facts are, that it was mainly the palestinian regime who rejected offers or broke agreements.
what change?
arafat started the second intifada
@@thewkovacs316 Indeed, thats why his people were surprised when he joined negotiations with Sharon.
@@worldgrea arafat was a conman. look at how much money he stole from the palestinians. it was a grift
the sad thing is that this kid walked away believing his absolutely pathetic performance was solid . They seem to think that having no historical knowledge can be offset with buzzwords and emotional appeals.
if you don't know who the hashemites are you have no business arguing about this stuff.
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Never allowed a state? What do you think gaza was?? It was to see if they coukd run thrir own state and they couldnt.
Interesting video. Is there going to be a second part? The end was abrupt and it seemed like the conversation went on.
Possibly, the audio broke and it took a long time to fix with AI in post production.
If we have time we'll upload to our members section (or we might upload with broken audio - lots of hissing and crackling)
This kid should of done his homework. We all have to be checked when we travel
You know someone’s losing when they can’t be quiet and wait for their turn to present facts. Instead they hoop and holler when they can’t follow the real history
I understand that this Palestinian person talks of genocide from the Jewish Scriptures, but ignores the many genocides that Mohammad did in the lands he went to. Where are the Qureshis, Jews, Christians, Sabians, and other pagan Arabs who lived in Arabia during the time of Mohammad?
Mohammad gave them no good or peaceful options other than CONVERT to Islam.
The choices or options he gave them were
- CONVERT to Islam or DIE (be killed by the sword),
- CONVERT to Islam or pay the JIZIYA (be burdened with heavy taxes),
- CONVERT to Islam or FLEE (to leave their homes and belongings if they wanted to be a family.
That was the height of his intolerance towards other religious people! Thus, that land became a Muslim area through fearful conversions mostly in terror.
380 Million victims of the Islamic expansion…- the worst slaughter fest in human history.
There is hope for humanity if you both are willing to converse and debate.
Dude goes back to pre industrialisation for equivalent acts of atrocity...
25:25 before October 7 Palestinians traveled to Israel all the time. They work there on a day-to-day basis, many go to school there.
And , hello again...many of the Gazans that worked in Israel provided information concerning where the safe rooms were and the layout of the kibbutzim that were infiltrated.
And this is a moderate Palestinian, most of them are more blunt about their anti-semitic genocidal intent
I have a lot of respect for you. Everybody can learn from your excellent skills how to have a decent conversation. Keep up the good work!
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Until 1967 the West Bank was under Jordanian control and the Gaza Strip was under Egyptian control. Israel didn’t plan the six day war to conquer the West Bank and Gaza but defended itself from total annihilation by all the surrounding states. So basically Arab countries brought the “occupation” upon the Palestinians. And since then, there was no normalization in the region which denied Israel from letting the Arabs build a Palestinian state out of fear of annihilation.
Israel has never issued an unprovoked war against Palestinians or Arab nations.
In 1948 the independence scroll literally states that any person, Jew, Arab or else, can stay and help the creation of the state and shall be granted full citizenship. The Arabs then decided to launch a full out war for the destruction of Israel. Israel intended to give citizenship to any person Arab Jew or else if they stayed there. Some did stay and got citizenship that’s how there are currently over 2 million Arab citizens in Israel. Palestinians have chosen over and over again to fight instead of living with peace.
After multiple tries of peace that never succeeded it was very hard for Israel to trust the Palestinians with their own state which they can use to militarize and launch wars against Israel which is exactly what happens now in Gaza after it had been freed from any “occupation” at 2005 and when hamas took control at 2007.
Israel is not to blame on the current situation/conflict as it tried to resolve it from day one without any cooperation from the Palestinian people
So true, thanks❤
Start war
Complain about war...
Yes, it's war, what does he expect?
@ 1:10:23. I really do not appreciate a Palestinian trying to compare their plight to the native American. The European had no claim to our land at all. I think Europeans committed genocide throughout the manifest destiny period. Once we were defeated we began to strike deals as a way to preserve our people. Palestinians have experienced none of that in their war against brothers. Be honest they are all just as European as each other. The Mediterranean was called a Roman pond for a reason.
Thank you for your valuable input and view. It’s important.
Completely agree
1:25:00+ Please tell this young man that the video showed 100s of young Gazan men yipping, hollering, whistling & celebrating as they spat & hit the young, naked corpse of the girl in the back of that pick up truck as it drove through the crowded streets of Gaza.
It wasn't a few bad apples, it was 100s of men, and those men were drunk with a weird hateful glee as they tried to attack & mutilate her body.
It's one of the most disturbing & disgusting things ever captured on video.
That video was a clear window into the mindset of Gazans regarding their attitude towards Jews. They clearly have a murderous hatred of Jews.
Consequently, we now know there will never be a 2 state solution after what happened on October 7.
1:36:46 thank you Joseph for making this point. A rationale mind can’t deny the logic.
The fact he wasnt born in " Palestine " yet counts as a number there is strange but also shows Palestinian is a race not a nation ? I was raised as where your born is your nationality so this im Palestinian but was born in uk is confussing to me . And if you takk to him again ask him about the zones a b c in ( the wesr bank ) please
Joey is so talented, smart and also doesn't hurt my ears in debate.
Great conversation. Thanks for listening to eachother