Where Does Morality Come From? Rogan/Dawkins | Doug Wilson
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- In this episode of Doug Reacts, Pastor Doug Wilson responds to a video of Joe Rogan and Richard Dawkins in which they address the question, "Where does morality come from?"
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Are you a creationist? Of course you don’t have to answer. I’m just curious.
@@gatolf2 most Reformed Christians are also young earth creationists because it's what the Bible plainly teaches, and many ministries over the last half century have done great work to expose the false naturalistic assumptions of secular scientists
Another Encore with Mr "People Burgers" PLS.
@@horrificpleasantry9474 I agree. But I’ve seen many good apologists that still believe the old earth. I’m a YEC.
Stupid question are your books available on kobo format?
"We're in a fog, driving down the road. We have no idea where we're going, but we're making good time!" 😂
Ahh Doug, love it.
That was awesome.
I can’t get enough of these brother.
It's really not that complicated. It's democracy and society. What constitutes civilization. We collectively decide on what the morality will be. And then Doug says by what standard?
My answer to that is: The same sort of one you are using Doug. A man made one. Religion is man made. So your supposed standard is a mirage, just like your god. Your morality was created by men.
And what is progress without a contrived foundation? Easy, progress is improving and achieving whatever we set out to do. We choose with our brains what all that is. That's it. Sorry, but your god doesn't exist and doesn't need to.
@@Lombokstrait1 this isn't a good argument. You have simply assumed that you're correct that God doesn't exist. But you haven't proven it, so your claim about Biblical morality being subjective doesn't logically follow. It's a bare assertion/begging the question fallacy
@@horrificpleasantry9474 It is a great argument. Because it is true. The bible is not divine. All religions are created by man. I can prove it by pointing out that the bible is a mess. It has false prophecies, contradictions, superstitious blather. It is poorly written. Boring. Redundant. Long winded.
An all knowing, all powerful god (if it existed) would've inspired a much better book.
The stories are piss poor too.
@@Lombokstrait1 So, when society decides that it is ok to throw homosexuals off of buildings as happens in strict fundamentalist Islamic countries, that’s ok because their society agrees it’s ok?
Of, to bring it to the democratic west, let’s say an American state puts the question on a ballot and 70% of the voters agree that abortions are morally wrong and then the state passes legislation banning abortions as morally wrong, you would favour such a practice? You would agree then that abortions are morally wrong because the majority says so? Then, in time the will of the people changes and they decide abortions are morally acceptable, and they therefore become morally acceptable? Then, after more time, the will of the people changes again and abortions are once again banned. Do you honestly believe that in such a scenario abortions could go from morally wrong, to morally good and then back to morally wrong again? Would you be willing to agree to whatever the fickle masses tell you is morally right and wrong?
What if society decided that disabled people should be euthanized? For the greater good and to spare them further suffering, of course.
@@Lombokstrait1 gotta stop you right there. Atheism is false so none of your comments matter.
Is it annoying when people just assume you're wrong/they're right without proving it?
I used to be a pragmatist “love all serve all” kind of person, I started listening to Joe Rogan’s podcast years ago, I had an ah-ha moment when I realized Joe was a pragmatist, I realized how pragmatists put themselves as referee and worse on a pedestal that they aren’t morally capable of making moral judgements. I also realized then that I would have to quit being a pragmatist in order to follow Christ.
Same
You would lose your sanity to be indoctrinated.*
I think you're correct insofar as his stated beliefs. However, we should also judge by his actions. Pragmatists can only sit on the fence for so long before God wobbles the fence and we're made to jump on one side or the other.
It's incredible how this man who has written books, given speeches, and so forth, who can be verifiably respected as an expert, falls to the most simple of arguments. It's incredible. The fear of the Lord is truly the beginning of wisdom
The rejection of bullshit is the beginning of wisdom.
@@arthura.2587 Boy you sound like you really know a lot.
@@SummumBonum. about the extent of ur voluminous vocabulary obviously... what say ye?
@@mitchelll3879 I can't make sense of your comment.
@@SummumBonum. Thought you did something 🤡
1:40 “The issue isn’t that Christians think you’re immoral”
We know Doug. And God only knows how many times Dawkins has been corrected on this and yet he still spews his nonsense.
That's not true. Often when you let somebody know you're atheist They believe simply with this statement you are a immoral.
I laughed so hard when Rogan asked Dawkins, "Where do you think morality comes from?" and he said, "Well... we don't really know BUT... we know it's real." Like, bro, your saying the same thing you accuse the Christians of saying haha
Someone tell me if they think I'm missing the mark here... what I got out of the British guys rambling is that morality is decided by elitists who know best for us plebs.
That's what it sounds like to me, basically the G7, G8, G20, United Nations etc come together and announce the new morality for the next 12 months.
Can we start referring to him only as British athiest guy now? Like how Neil Degrasse Tyson is sometimes called black science man
During these; I often find myself just saying....."git em, Doug"!😁❤️
Doug Wilson is brilliant, fearless as possible today, and incredibly prolific.
Pastor, please don't let your incredible gifts lead to any loss of humility or compassion for lost souls. I need you to stay out front stating what I believe but can't put into words as you can and do. THANK-YOU!
"I have hidden it from the wise and revealed it unto babes"! You just gotta love hyper intellectuals trying to explain away the existence of the living God.
“Hyper intellectuals”?
@@GeorgeEH In their own minds.
@@GeorgeEH LMBO
@@MichaelJones-xz8mm Dawkins, sure. Joe? - no. He regularly tells people that he’s an intellectual chimp that knows nothing.
Professing to be wise they became fools
Doug's laughs and giggles is one of the best things about his response. And of course, By What Standard?
It's really not that complicated. It's democracy and society. What constitutes civilization. We collectively decide on what the morality will be. And then Doug says by what standard?
My answer to that is: The same sort of one you are using Doug. A man made one. Religion is man made. So your supposed standard is a mirage, just like your god. Your morality was created by men.
And what is progress without a contrived foundation? Easy, progress is improving and achieving whatever we set out to do. We choose with our brains what all that is. That's it. Sorry, but your god doesn't exist and doesn't need to.
@@Lombokstrait1 but “democracy and society” don’t exist everywhere. Most nations aren’t a democracy. Most undeveloped nations aren’t an organized “society”. There is no “collective” essentially outside of the western nations in many nations
Yea xDDDD
@@Goldni8372 most non western countries are the ones that are most dominated by religion. What does that tell you?
@@zeek8918 all societies are dominated by religion. If you can't see that covid cult and woke-ism are manifesting as state religions then you're just in stubborn denial.
Rogan seems to have every man and his dog on the podcast… apart from a Christian apologist.
Rogan's still so steeped in Christianity that he doesn't recognize how literally out of the world it is.
He had Seth Dillon from the Babylon Bee on, and Seth was able to talk about why abortion is evil.
By Dawkins’s moral paradigm, ‘immoral’ means little more than ‘out of fashion’.
It blows my mind that people think Dawkins is a deep thinker.
No kidding.
No, a foolish thinker
"CZcams videos teach you nothing..."
Me: But Doug, what about-
"...except this one."
Me: Phew, that was a close one.
This guy believes in something in the air that makes morality. But not a God who implemented morality in our conscious. Very interesting.
It's called ignorance
If your morality contradicts anothers, then who's it correct? And if they are implanted by the same being, then why are they different, shouldnt they be universal? And if an individual can decide for themseleves what is moral, then aren't you only as moral as you are immoral in anothers eyes, and visca versa?
Excuse me where does he says that? look most humans dont like pain we dont need a God telling us to avoid it, most humans feel empathy too wich makes us want to avoid the suffering of others this behavior can be seen in humans whom never heard about Jesus and even other species, that's how evolution builds social species, but I know you will reject that because christians dont like reading about evolution because it doesnt make them feel warm and fuzzy inside like the idea of seeing grandma in heaven someday.
@@enmanuelsan Thats a sweeping generalization. You might be referring to creationist, but the biggest Christian churches on the planet; Catholic and Orthodox have no problem with evolution, it doesnt do away with God at all. If you look at the practices of the ancient world, the Jews stand out as different because God gave them His moral law at Mount Sinai. That is where the modren and western world was born. This is why I would argue, it isnt implanted generally but only after a person is born again. And that law is referenced in constitutions around the world and if you look at what happens when we abandon those values in the modern world such as with Nazi Germany or the USSR, the results speak for themselves. So clearly if left to our own devices we get it wrong and cant decide on a universal morality.
@@enmanuelsan 9:45 ✌️
"A gestation pool for morality" you hit the nail on the head. These videos need to be required in every public school curriculum. A lesson in post modern thought and reasoning.
Christian worldview: feet planted firmly on The Rock.
Atheistic worldview: feet planted firmly in the air and waving around aimlessly and, often, angrily.
Firmly planted in cheese and wine parties
@@nancyf5777 Pantheism is anti-scientific. The Creator and the created are separate things.
1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. The universe has a cause.
4. That cause is God.
God is, by definition, the uncaused, eternal, necessary Cause of the universe.
Often angrily? Who do you think makes up 99% of prison inmates? I'll give you a clue, it isn't atheists.
@@hectorespinoza3446 On your atheistic worldview, is anger objectively bad? By what standard do you, based on your atheism, consider people who are in prison objectively bad? There are many innocent people in prison: should they be angry?
@@justin10292000 No emotion is outright bad, all emotions are normal. I base my standards on what society as a collective deems bad. Although murder and rape have always been bad...unless you're religious. Of course someone unrightfully incarcerated should be upset/angry.
Love it Doug! Thank you for this! Can't believe a few years back, before I found Christ, that I used to listen to people like Joe and Richard all the time and believe the insanity they spew. I think listening to Joe for long enough, even in my pot induced hypnotic trance, I started to realize all the blatant contradictions, and that he changed his mind daily depending on who his guest was.
I can relate, I used to think atheists like this used to have good points but now I just laugh at how stupid they are, pretty much every professional philosopher just laughs at people like Dawkins and the sad thing is other laymen believe them because of Dawkins scientific credentials
So that’s the new thing “ when I was an Atheist”???
Doug is not being much more sane. He says atheist can be moral while he watches two men explain their idolatry and hatred for Christ. The Western church has rejected Christ when the adopted the lie of freedom of Religion.
Jesus endorsed Slavery disgusting and worse than an idiot for those who worship him!!!!😮😮😮
Dawkins has his feet firmly planted in mid-air.
It's really not that complicated. It's democracy and society. What constitutes civilization. We collectively decide on what the morality will be. And then Doug says by what standard?
My answer to that is: The same sort of one you are using Doug. A man made one. Religion is man made. So your supposed standard is a mirage, just like your god. Your morality was created by men.
And what is progress without a contrived foundation? Easy, progress is improving and achieving whatever we set out to do. We choose with our brains what all that is. That's it. Sorry, but your god doesn't exist and doesn't need to.
@@Lombokstrait1 you're literally restating the things Dawkins said in the video which Wilson just dis assembled 😂
@@dianeenyi2849 No I'm not. I'm stating it quite differently. And I dismantled Doug's argument. Can you read?
@@dianeenyi2849 Charlie commits a fallacy by assuming what he needs to prove: that God doesn't exist. Then he concludes from this that our morality is subjective. The conclusion doesn't follow
@@Lombokstrait1 you would have a point if your assumption were true, but it's not. Pretty glaring error
I never have heard an atheist explain their basis for an objective morality. They usually say they have one, and eventually concede “morality is subjective”. Which is the entire point. Relative morality is no morality. If morality can change based on society or whatever changing measurement, then nothing is actually good or bad, just not preferred at the current time.
I like the way you put this. Thanks!
So true and couldn't agree more. I can relate to similar experience when talking with Atheists. They always resort to “morality is subjective” near the end of the conversation. Oddly enough this is the same argument pedophiles give when convicted.
For me, as a humanist - morality is rooted in human well-being. Of course I will have a subjective view of what constitutes human well-being, but that is no different from Christians saying that the nature of God is their standard, but they all have a subjective view of what that nature is. So both sides have an absolute standard, but a subjective view of what that absolute standard constitutes. By what standard? By that standard.
@@Faust2Dr well being? So what is your objective standard of well being? And which well being law and where does the source of well being come from? Did well being law exist before humans existed? To some it’s their well being to destroy the weak person, you know survival of the fittest. When we say it is God, God has written right and wrong through inspiration of the Holy Spirit in the Bible, which both Christian, Jews and Muslim accept the Old Testament as Gods word, we just have different interpretations of the Old Testament. You have nothing to point to.
@@Faust2Dr Thank you for sharing. My only disagreement would be that in Christianity there is a basis for objective morality to exist.
Atheism provides no basis for even the existence of an objective morality, because it’s materialist at its core. Morality is immaterial. So “morality” goes no further than the opinion of an evolved fish. There is no objective standard to misinterpret as “wrong” in that worldview.
Humans may misinterpret Gods standard, but the standard is objective and outside of man. Any Godless worldview provides no basis for even the existence of objective morality. Human flourishing is just a preferred set of values, but does not contain any basis for it to actually be good or bad, just preferred by some. And not preferred by many who would say human flourishing is actually bad.
Thank you for these! I wish we could get Doug on Rogans podcast! Even though I realize we can't "argue" someone into believing, it would still be interesting to see how he would react to someone who can speak on these topics. Thanks again!
BTW, I would argue our morality is not any better than the ancients:
Idolatry (love of money and material things) - Check
Human Sacrifice (eg. Abortion) - Check
Slavery (still happens in many parts of the world) - Check
Hatred & Intolerance of Others - Check check check
So even Dawkins original premise, we live in an age of superior morality, I would respectfully and highly disagree.
"you're a slave to whom you obey." We have slavery everywhere. Especially considering that biblical slaves were given equal rights to citizens when it came to bodily harm, they could marry, they were given free food and housing AND a daily wage, debt cancellation, and guaranteed work for a 6 year contract term. Like modern employment but much better in principle.
Facts! But slavery still exists in the West though. It's given different labels: prison, porn industries, prostitution, taxes etc
My posh English voice makes people think my empty philosophy has value
Lol, I've never understood that. When he said "debates in government" to help determine morality I just about lost it. That's the kind of stuff trolls say
I'm English and I agree. His theories are very airy fairy.
@@MrCharlieC23 do we get all the rejected Brits here In America? Like when Britain emptied its prisons and started sending criminals here by the boatload and we had to start firing on them to get them to stop?
@@scottwall8419 I guess you get a bit of everything there considering you are a land of immigrants - and that's with no disrespect.
😂yes
In all of my viewings of Richard Dawkins, he is exceptionally good at describing God, and then saying “no that’s not God, that’s something else.”
Our morality comes from dinner party chatter....
Underrated comment
These are great videos! Keep them coming!
I’m a Catholic. I’m suspicious of anything Protestant. Yet, I’m very glad to have found you.
I’m the same with Chesterton lol
Doug, thanks for breaking these vids down it’s very helpful. Things I miss you clarify just at the right time.
Keep the hits coming! Loving this series!
So let me get this right…..they believe right and wrong and good and evil are objective terms but reject the only “thing” that could give us a fixed standard of morality. They’re so inconsistent with their logic.
That "thing" can perhaps give a standard, but then morality is arbitrary, not objective
These conversations are so interesting to me. They do everything they can to avoid giving God the credit. They dance around the Truth and try to justify their inconsistencies. It’s God, Joe. It’s always been God.
Can you please make a reaction playlist (and also a debate one)? I’m new to this channel but I often times find myself watching these video of yours!
so the guy is basicly saying that you get a decades morals from what the people of that decade says and writes, but he does not awnser where the people get them from in the first place...
As soon as this video showed up in my feed, my immediate thought was: How long will it take DW to introduce the phrase "by what standard?" ANS: 2:22. (The over/under was 1:40).
Because RD walked right into it.
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 that's a straw man if I ever saw one. We *never* said that we can meet that moral standard. The word of God says that we *can't* meet that standard. And *that* is the entire reason we need Jesus. And while we rely *entirely* on Jesus for our salvation when we stand before God after we die, we are still called to follow in Christ's example while we are here on earth. We are saved by faith, changed by Christ, and our faith is then completed by an outward change of actions caused by a change of motivations, which was caused by a change of heart. "You will know them by their fruit." But we never claimed to be perfect, nor will we be until after we die, which is when God completes His work in us.
these are so good. please do not stop.
Great work, especially when they make it so easy for you.
This is awesome! Excellent work
These response videos are great! Crash courses in apologetics. Keep them coming!
Frank Peretti gave a talk years ago where he said there are only two Religions in the world. Either God is God or man is god.
I'm continually surprised how so many conversations like this one between Rogan and Dawkins can summarized by Peretti's statement.
We're in the fog, we're driving down the road, we don't know where we are going but we're making good time. 😂 haha classic
It's really not that complicated. It's democracy and society. What constitutes civilization. We collectively decide on what the morality will be. And then Doug says by what standard?
My answer to that is: The same sort of one you are using Doug. A man made one. Religion is man made. So your supposed standard is a mirage, just like your god. Your morality was created by men.
And what is progress without a contrived foundation? Easy, progress is improving and achieving whatever we set out to do. We choose with our brains what all that is. That's it. Sorry, but your god doesn't exist and doesn't need to.
@@Lombokstrait1 a fool says in his heart there is no God
@@SMNR777 They (the men who wrote the bible) put that in there to coerce people into believing your religion.
@@Lombokstrait1 God inspired those men to write those things whether they behaved perfectly in God's eyes is up for debate
@@Lombokstrait1 I don't think that w ord means what you think it means. Also, anyone reading should be able to notice that Charlie begs the question by assuming what he needs to prove. Everything he says afterwards is arbitrary
I don’t think I’ve watch one of Doug’s videos without laughing at least once. Love this brothers takes
D. Willy's laugh gets me ertime 😂
Doug nailed it in the first minute. A leader MUST believe in a higher power or else said leader believes he/she is that higher power.
That's right. It's why the US Constitution is a demonic document. It denies God and his Anointed and makes 'We the People' God.
Keep doing these please pastor Doug!!
Their talk reminds me of the banquet gibberish in That Hideous Strength.
This is the best one so far sir.
Their argument would be its progress by the standard that its most conducive to human flourishing. Sam Harris made that argument in effort to ground morality. But William Lane Craig dismantled it.
Exactly. The reason it doesn't work is because one must ask, what defines human flourishing? Aka, by what standard do you label something as human flourishing? And why is human flourishing a good thing? It's just pushing the argument down another rung but you still haven't reached the ground you're resting on yet.
@@jeremyedgar7123 yeah the environmentalists literally don't care about human flourishing at all
I honestly can’t help but laugh along with Doug.
It's really not that complicated. It's democracy and society. What constitutes civilization. We collectively decide on what the morality will be. And then Doug says by what standard?
My answer to that is: The same sort of one you are using Doug. A man made one. Religion is man made. So your supposed standard is a mirage, just like your god. Your morality was created by men.
And what is progress without a contrived foundation? Easy, progress is improving and achieving whatever we set out to do. We choose with our brains what all that is. That's it. Sorry, but your god doesn't exist and doesn't need to.
Doug does have a hearty laugh.
@@Lombokstrait1 how many times did you post this? Are we at 20 yet? Anyway, this guy assumes what he needs to prove and everything he says afterwards is arbitrary and unproven
Please do not stop with these videos 👏
This was AWESOME! Literally what you said is what, if they weren't so full of themselves, is what, by their assertion of morality, should have said.
It's really not that complicated. It's democracy and society. What constitutes civilization. We collectively decide on what the morality will be. And then Doug says by what standard?
My answer to that is: The same sort of one you are using Doug. A man made one. Religion is man made. So your supposed standard is a mirage, just like your god. Your morality was created by men.
And what is progress without a contrived foundation? Easy, progress is improving and achieving whatever we set out to do. We choose with our brains what all that is. That's it. Sorry, but your god doesn't exist and doesn't need to.
@Drew Ferguson sad thing is that he's too blind to notice that he hasn't proved anything, just assumes what he thinks is the truth and goes from there. Fallacious reasoning
@Drew Ferguson But your god is real.
i wish i could have an 30min conversation with Pastor Doug!
In years gone by, or ancestors, wider than we by half, called Dawkins 'something in the air' by the more accurate term 'the spirit of the age' and it's one of those things the apostle Paul called a Principality.
This video is brilliant, i keep coming back
I'm loving these reactions Pastor Wilson keep them coming!
It's really not that complicated. It's democracy and society. What constitutes civilization. We collectively decide on what the morality will be. And then Doug says by what standard?
My answer to that is: The same sort of one you are using Doug. A man made one. Religion is man made. So your supposed standard is a mirage, just like your god. Your morality was created by men.
And what is progress without a contrived foundation? Easy, progress is improving and achieving whatever we set out to do. We choose with our brains what all that is. That's it. Sorry, but your god doesn't exist and doesn't need to.
@@Lombokstrait1 "progress is improving" the deadliest time period in human history is not even a century ago. Yep humanity is really making strides. Also to your point we have an objective moral standard of God. You do not. Your morality just goes with whatever the flow that society decides. You might want to read a history book if you think the collective is a good idea on where to get your morals.
@@firingallcylinders2949 People have been killing people forever. They would've killed a lot more in ancient times only if they had had the means and the volume of people to kill. So your point is hollow.
My point is your god is man made fiction, thus your standard is.
About morality and its flow. So does yours, does it not? Your bible says slavery was just fine. Yet you're not trying to procure, any are you?
Regarding history and the common good, you're living in that reality right now. That is why we have roads, airports, farms, grocery stores, schools, a government and so on. It is why we have a civilization. Sounds like you're in denial. A underestimated psychosis.
@@Lombokstrait1 since you're reposting this to get engagement in several threads, I'll also point out here that you've committed a begging the question fallacy by assuming what you have yet to prove. Your conclusion that biblical morality is subjective doesn't follow because you haven't proved God doesn't exist
@@horrificpleasantry9474 You haven't proven a god exists either. And neither has Dug.
Thanks Doug!
Doug: "CZcams videos teach you nothing...Except for this one!" (Mic drop) This was great! 😂
To Dawkins credit, I think he pronounced “progress” correctly because he’s British and that’s how they say it. Lol
Proper English language, unlike the improper American English
I hope Joe Rogan some day dares to interview this guy.
Watching him endure patiently the Q&A from the university millennials is outstanding.
That ending...👏👏👏
But does this mean I can only watch this one video?
"We're in a fog, driving down the road, we don't know where we're going but we're making good time" hahahahah you're so funny Doug xD
I am a Christian, but I've just gotta say; were i an atheist I would have no difficulty demonstrating objective morality. I'm just fascinated that I haven't heard an atheist give a satisfying answer yet.
Atheists should not enter into a battle of wits and reason with brother Doug. Just want to thank you for all your work standing against all these militant atheists Doug! I have learned so much from you and your arguments have filled my intellectual tool box which have proved very useful while witnessing to these lost “FOOLS”. Your work with Christopher Hitchens was just awesome. The way you debated him while showing the love of Christ was unreal! 🙏💪👍. Christopher rarely debated someone who could match his quick wit, humour and quick thinking. You absolutely did and I believe it really spoke to him. I was very saddened by his death and his condemnation to Hell for eternity. I prayed that he would repent. What a warrior for Christ he would have been! ☹️
Matthew 11:19 ...But wisdom is justified of her children. God bless your labor of Love Doug and crew.
So true. A manifold truth as Doug also raised wise children. I’m edified by Nate Wilson as much as Doug. And from what I’ve seen his daughter teaches women and is also awesome, but I’m not as familiar with her.
8:50 - 9:08 I nearly spat out my food🤣🤣🤣🤣
Doug Wilson is a legend By What Standard!!!
Very helpful, thank you
Please never trademark the term "by what standard"™️.
“CZcams teach you nothing except for this one” 💥
that's why Paul said that, the fight is not against flesh and blood but against the principalities, and powers in the AIR kakaka he's god is in the AIR. Incredible...
It's amazing how ignorant Dawkins is of epistemology. That he would generate morality from the ether, woe. He could in no way say why, grounded, that today's morality is better than the pillaging and terror of the vikings. I guess back then they had worse cheese parties would be his argument.
No today is better because they have Kool-aid hair.
This is a case of someone who is absolutely very intelligent - no doubt about that, shown to be an absolute stupid idiot at the same exact time. "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools". This is that case if there ever was one!
@@joeadrian2860 It's really not that complicated. It's democracy and society. What constitutes civilization. We collectively decide on what the morality will be. And then Doug says by what standard?
My answer to that is: The same sort of one you are using Doug. A man made one. Religion is man made. So your supposed standard is a mirage, just like your god. Your morality was created by men.
And what is progress without a contrived foundation? Easy, progress is improving and achieving whatever we set out to do. We choose with our brains what all that is. That's it. Sorry, but your god doesn't exist and doesn't need to.
@Kenny Bugh um no. It would if the bible were legitimate. The is the trap door to Doug's thought process.
The bible is man made. Nothing will change that.
@Kenny Bugh Yes. I like Dawkins. Thanks for clarifying.
I would love to see you debate this man!
“All rise”...I’m gonna use that!
"Wine and cheese events" 😂👌
So when do we get to see Doug on Joe Rogan’s Podcast?
Love ya Doug.
"We get them from somewhere" .....?LOL!
The Phil Collins song in the air tonight was actually about the formation of morality..,
Game, set, and match to Brother Wilson.
"CZcams videos teach you nothing. Except for this one." Gotta love Doug!
It's really not that complicated. It's democracy and society. What constitutes civilization. We collectively decide on what the morality will be. And then Doug says by what standard?
My answer to that is: The same sort of one you are using Doug. A man made one. Religion is man made. So your supposed standard is a mirage, just like your god. Your morality was created by men.
And what is progress without a contrived foundation? Easy, progress is improving and achieving whatever we set out to do. We choose with our brains what all that is. That's it. Sorry, but your god doesn't exist and doesn't need to.
Charlie commits a begging the question fallacy and everything that follows is arbitrary
@@horrificpleasantry9474 See below. The pretend god of the bible is arbitrary.
I pray you one day experience the love of God Charile. I'd be lost without Him.
Do it Doug!
Man, I love Doug. I chuckled along with him at the absurdity of these atheistic arguments from these intelligent FOOLS!
I love this
Why do you keep asking by what standard? Well by our own standard obviously. Everything we label as being better or worse directly translates to what we like more or dislike more. It's nothing more than our preferences that change over time, and we call it morality. No different than us mostly preferring Rock in the 80s and today we prefer Pop. Nothing special about it.
These needs to be made into reels or tik toks - so more young people
can see
Haha, "CZcams videos teach you nothing, except for this one." Funny!
Amen brother! may God bless you for this! :) When there is rejection of God this is what you get from those who reject God: trying to reason without reason, trying to come up with an 'objective truth' or 'objective morality' when there is none. up is down, down could be up, and there is no really anything except well organized molecules bumping into one another endlessly and reacting, trying to come up with 'good morality' when there is no goodness lol!
It's really not that complicated. It's democracy and society. What constitutes civilization. We collectively decide on what the morality will be. And then Doug says by what standard?
My answer to that is: The same sort of one you are using Doug. A man made one. Religion is man made. So your supposed standard is a mirage, just like your god. Your morality was created by men.
And what is progress without a contrived foundation? Easy, progress is improving and achieving whatever we set out to do. We choose with our brains what all that is. That's it. Sorry, but your god doesn't exist and doesn't need to.
@@Lombokstrait1 You just made a logical fallacy, Renfro. It is called 'strawman fallacy'. Christians do NOT claim that we MADE UP religion, we claim we know the truth. Jesus Christ is the foundation of truth. It's either that you find the truth or then you invent the truth either on your own or according to the collective means such as democracy.
Jesus said: 'I am the way, the TRUTH, the life, no one comes unto the Father except through me'. When we talk about morality and goodness, we talk about God. God IS Good! He is the moral standard. We did NOT come up with that, we, that is born again christians, claim and believe that God Himself used humans to reveal His will to us in the Bible. We've been created into the image of God and because God is reason, logic and truth, we can also reason, use logic and find truth - Jesus.
If By democratic means we would decide what's right and what is wrong then today murder could be right, tomorrow wrong. It would be just a matter of opinion. and hey, who decides if it would be the majority deciding that it would be right or wrong? why not minority? who says we must follow the scientists' views on what is right or wrong? who decides? Yet again, all about subjective morality.
But absolute morality does exist and that absolute morality(goodness) is God almighty. You can know Him too by the things that have been created by Him. When you look at nature, history, read the BIble in its context, you can see this God truly exists.
If God does not exist then everything goes bro. He does but, as romans 1 says, people suppress the truth(of God's Word) in unrighteousness(wickedness). They wanna live in their wickedness, like stealing all day long, than humbling themselves and trusting in Jesus Christ for their salvation and source of truth. As Jesus(who is truth) said: whosoever is of the truth hears me(Jesus).
God bless
These "moral emanations in the air" seem to greatly resemble farts. 😂
The only thing that I agree with Dorkins in this video was his pronunciation of the word 'progress'.
The only thing that I disagree with Doug in this video was his pronunciation of the word 'progress'.
Joe Rohan should have pastor Doug Wilson on...
"Atheism is not an anthological issue, it's a psychological issue.
When you talk about atheism you have to talk about the person's father."
would be interesting to Douglas actually get to go onto Rogan to see how Rogan would respond. Rogan doesnt ever get theists on, just atheists like shermer, dawkins, Neil Degrasse
C’mon Doug! You know what Dawkins means ..it’s called The Cloud ! Gosh..get an education … lol. Love the videos!
Not just that you can't account for it, but having no service/benevolence-based Religion means that you do not have a consistent compass. No morality reference book, it will be harder to stay the course especially when you don't believe there is a long term punishment or reward.
It has been a long standing myth that Dawkins is at all smart. This myth largely due to his aristocratic British accent, I think.
He's done a lot for clarifying evolutionary theory but then there's dunning -kruger
He's smart and well educated. I can understand why you feel intimidated.
Also; he's upper middle class, not aristocrat. His background and generation shouldn't be used against us.
So why is he also a renowned writer? He writes in a British accent?
He's obviously done a lot for biology but when it comes to history and philosophy he's woefully inadequate
@@JoshMcSwain Gonna take the craziest, wildest swing in the dark here. Are you religious?
Mate, Dougy is as sharp as a katana and articulates the truth like a marksman.
im so ashamed that i couldn't see through dawkins / harris as a teenager
Grand risings all.
And when you can't account for your morality you may potentially (perhaps inevitably) allow yourself to question your morality and then decide morality is simply defined by each individual, which leads to all sorts of confusion and evil.