@@deeswagg21 These guys live in America and couldn’t find Missouri if you asked them. Let’s be real they’re hoopers but let’s not act like they’re gonna win on jeopardy
Luka may be the most dominant offensive player ever seen. That sounds crazy but at a certain point you have to take into consideration Luka makes every kind of shot there is from anywhere on the floor. Post, 3's, midrange, fade aways, step backs, jab steps, facing the basket, back to the basket, his bag is DEEP.
@@lukasmalinauskas2428 He may be the best playmaker in the league, Jokic is the only one that can challenge for that spot and as far as scoring, you think Embiid? I'll tell you this, Embiid doesn't not have the deep bag that Luka has, Luka can score from anywhere, in any manner or method you choose, Embiid takes some mid-range jumpers but mostly scores layups, dunks, and shoots FT's all night. As far as offensive skill, Luka is on another level.
As a lifelong Mavs fan I have to say, Jokic does all of that as well. And he has the Hardware to prove it. BUT Luka has all the tools (and counting stats) to get by Jokic at some time. It all depends on MVP's and Titles.
@@fork6057 joker is the only nba player that’s top 10 in points rebounds and assist. With top 5 in 2 categories. Luka ain’t dominating the game like joker hence why he’s number 1 in mvp rankings
@@fork6057 he cemented himself with last year’s playoff run, and it’s literally a meme how he doesn’t even take the game that serious and still dominates lol. I know that no matter who he plays Jokic will dominate and he’s proven he can do it and win a ring. He’s the best player in the NBA, that includes Luka.
The geographic ignorance, and the blending and confusion that a lot of Americans have with origin, nationality & race, never ceases to amaze me. It reminds me a conversation I once heard being in London, a black American tourist said to another guy, ' I didn't know there were so many African Americans in London'. And the other guy had to answer, 'They are just English'
And personally I find it irritating for african americans who wear black lives matter, protest against racism then at the same time be so ignorant of other races. Like in this crew rashad always like to implicate race on some issues on NBA but at the same time he's so ig orant of other races. Damn afrocentric stuff.. Like in the NBA they'll be putting on these protest and stuff then at the same time diss european or asian players, I'm like wtf the hypocracy and ignorance is on different level. Like Bill Rusell said to Kenny Smith "As a black man, you should always be inclusive" most don'ive by those words
@@Nathand0992 And if you want to go to that path and separate origin and nationality from race, would be better if you start referring to all the white Londoners as Romans or Vikings, it would be more accurate. And even then you could be wrong, because the Roman Empire had blacks among their troops
"No one can do the shit Shaq did" says it all. They just see it from see it through the lens of the American way to play (read athleticism). That's what they scratch their heads and don't understand why Luca & Jokic toying with NBA defence because they have the 'fundamentals' and and uses the opponents' athleticism (read lack of fundamentals) to their advantage. Their knowledge of European basketball is as deep as European geography= none! Suggestion: next much more exciting topic- what can American learn from European way of playing basketball. 🙏🇸🇪
Luka and Jokic are athletic, y'all a bi misconception on what is atheticism. Also LeBron is athletic and smart as hell, same for Magic, stop seeing the lens through fundamentals vs athleticism because the greatest ever have both in either type of way or shape
They not wrong luka is the best . Hes 23/24 years old this great this young we've never seen it b4 especially from any Europeans hes better than all of them. The mavs FO did a horrible job building around him if they did their job like all other top team he would have more rings and mvps than jokic, giannis and dirk thats just how great luka is and ahead of the pack. And even if he isnt hes easily on pace to be the best European ever atleast as long as the Mavs FO do thier job. No European player has ever been anywhere close to luka at his age not dirk,jokic,giannis whoever
Why are yall saying European players. Luka is the best offensive player in the league hands down. If Luka stays on pace he'll smash every record on the books, if he gets better then damn, it's going to be something special to watch! The media is biased for sure, but let's be clear , Luka is a scoring machine with shots from everywhere, his passes are amazing and he is an assist king. He also rebounds with the best of them. His defense is on the rise. This man is an amazing talent. With his new lineup he's going to better himself for sure. I'm seeing a championship soon ! 👀
Crazy isn't it. Then they had the cheek to say best caucasian player? Not all Euro players are caucasian? Look at Giannis? They really trying to gate keep american black players it's crazy.
@hithere3035 yeah it's disgusting, the ego bs is ridiculous. Why can't people just admire the greatness of players and enjoy the game? It's always a comparison without the reality and pieces around them. Lukas stats and play style speak for themselves. Any real person with basketball Iq would know that his talent is amazing!
Jokic is a better offensive player than Luka, and Jokic has some achievements due to it as well. Plus, Jokic has meshed with all of the Nuggets, while it's a question mark how much of a dent it is on Luka's game, that he can't mesh with many players.
@@penkima4923that he can’t mesh with many players? Give Jokic, Theo Pinson, THJ, Bullock and Dinwiddie. Let’s see how he “meshes”. Luka is doing just fine with Kyrie, Gafford, Lively and Jones.
@@Tommy-hq9ww Let's see you talk about a longer span than this season. Jokic doesn't have anything to prove regarding meshing. His teammates have all been injured for entire seasons, and they still haven't even ended up in the play-in. The Mavs missed the play-in last season. Sure, the Nuggets are a better team overall, and Kyrie as another ball-handler doesn't fit Luka's play-style. I'm saying Luka might be worth all the hype. But I want to see at least a finals appearance soon, until I'm certain he's all that.
The All-White team would be pretty sick...it might not be deep but it's got some ballers. Nash, Luka, Bird, Dirk, Joker with Peja, Stockton, McHale, Pistol Pete, Kerr, Vlade, Walton & West coming off the bench. That starting 5 is just stupid good. Every one of them are deadly shooters and you got 4 dudes who could come up with a triple-double on any given night. The bench ain't too bad either.
When I was younger yall really were some of my fav players. I grew up in MN so I watched Rashad hoop all the time When Brandon dropped 50 with the twisties I went and twisted my hair the next day! Gill I don’t even have to say nothing we already kno he was balling! It’s crazy to see all yall up here now 🔥
Yess!!! Month ago or so... Irving and Luka... Tired Out Lakers new Young Team and Reeves. Thru all and 4th Quarter!! 2 Very Special Offensive Talent with Irving!!
The thing about Wemby is he's going to be making all-nba AND all-defensive teams. He's going to be the nost versatile player in the league. There really isnt anything he can't do. The only other two-way phenom in the league making both thosw teams is Giannis, and if Wemby keeps improving like he has been then he might be the best player in the league before his rookie contract is up
Giannis and jokic so far the best europeans cus of the championships they got , but luka is still younger than both of them if if he manage to make a run and win a championship in the next 3 years and a mvp (which i think its disrespect that he is not even in the top 3 today , for me if he manage to take dallas to the 5 or the 4th place at the standings he is the mvp for sure this year), for today its jokic , giannis and luka
The difference is, Luka played with a bunch of nobody's on his team. Now that he has some depth, this team will excel. I'm hoping the injuries stay away for the rest of the season. With that said, I think the mavs have the right pieces to get the job done now.
Context matters in these situations, Mavs were a nothing team. Then they got a generation player and they barely built around him. Mavs just hoped Luka would carry them all the way by himself but it's impossible. Players like Giannis and Jokic played in teams where that had all star players. It's was only since Irving came that Luka trully had a world class player. I mean things have changed in the past week of course he's got some excellent help. Can you imagine the way that Luka can give players clean look 3s and Mavs actually had a couple players that could hit them at a high percentage rather than just relying on himself? Mavs would've been in a totally different situation which would've made Luka look even better. But ultimatley, Luka has had the whole organisation on his shoulders and his shoulders only.
jokic is literally a 2 time mvp champion and more efficient stats. they changed their argument from is he the best euro of all time rn then remembered jokic and said he will be the best euro by the end of his career lol weird
Denver without Jokic is lottery team...That how good he is... he take half of Luka shots per game...and average 26p. He won everything and Luka doesn't ... And he will win more. If he care about scoring that much he will average crazy numbers.
Give Wemby 5 years and there's no telling how crazy his stats will be. I'm a Mavs fan, but Wemby is altering what is possible in basketball. wemby can win DPOY and MVP... I didn't think anybody would dominate like Jordan, but Wemby can't dominate both ends of the court. In 5 years, Wemby will be unstoppable.... Back to Luka, He is killing it!
Wemby can not will big diffrence!!! Luka is dominating huge diffrence get your facts right! What if wemby gets injured with his physics and body its very Hard
I'm a Luka fan and I believe he has a good chance to finish as the best European basketball player ever to play when his basketball career ends, but he isn't currently that. If we are talking strictly European NBA players, in alphabetical order (since I don't want to rank them right now), here are at least 3 players he would have to pass: Giannis Antetokounmpo Nikola Jokić Dirk Nowitzki With 2 of those players still being in the league and still being great, it won't be easy, but it is definitely doable if he has that desire. If he plays long enough (A big if considering he has multiple times stated that he doesn't want to), I believe he can finish as the best European basketball player ever, but as far as NBA resumes go, he still has a long way to go.
Right now, it's 1. Dirk, 2. Jokic, 3. Giannis, 4. Luka - Luka has a great shot at becoming the greateast European player ever. He has the skill set. But he lacks the success.
The biggest issue with wemby is who is his PG? Luka is the PG/PF/SG with his crazy skill set. Wemby will be that guy in a couple years especially with (trae most likely imo) a actual PG. Wemby will consistently go 25/10/3 with 2-3 bpg.
This type thing don't fly in the NFL for some reason, it's certain teams under certain positions like Taysom Hill as a starter where I've seen the hurt feelz
Jokic took all REWARDS and 1st dominate force for last 4 years overall ... that disrispect is insane. I hope he will won much more... and shut all stupid and disrispect mouth.
Jokic is literally playing right now and is a champ with 2 mvps... im all for Luka becoming the GOAT and he deffinately has the most potential but Jokic currently is right there.
@penkima4923 That doesn't make them a better player than Luka today. Winning a championship is a team accomplishment, and really so is winning an MVP. Luka has been good enough individually to win an MVP for several seasons in a row, but they held him back because of his team's record. I think Luka, Jokic, and Giannis are on a tier by themselves (with Embiid out), and you can take your pick as to which you think is best.
@@imdbtruth Luka doesn't mesh with ball-dominant players, and didn't mesh with Porzingis. It's a question mark if Luka can mesh with anybody. Luka didn't make the play-in last season with Kyrie. Jokic was able to drag the Nuggets to 6th seed without Murray or MPJ the season they were both injured. And Giannis has won a DPotY-award, and that's not a team award. It's questionable to say Luka is on that same level with them before Luka has won anything in the regular season or in the playoffs.
if he wins another chips this year and most likely winning mvp now that embidd is out the race if he gets that 2nd chips hes a top 10 center all time no debate
Sabonis SR, Jokic, Bird, Dirk, Luka would easily be a finals team. Them boys can all shoot, understand spacing, and have a high offensive IQ. That would be the best shooting team ever assembled. Defensively…………….
I think Luka easily has the potential to be. He just obviously doesnt have the career yet. For now Jokic and Giannis easily clear. But literally Dirk himself has said that as a *player on the court* Luka is better than he ever was, and I think he said that years ago when Luka was still in his early 20s. Jason Kidd, a guy who was literally Dirks teammate when he won that ring, said Luka is better and on the level of MJ/Kobe People gotta remember this mf isnt even 25 yet and has already gone 4/5 on first team all nba seasons (about to be 5/6), dropped 73, 60/20/10, averages a 35 point triple double, and completely dismantled and embarrassed the 1 seed in the playoffs when he was age 22 or 23. come back in a decade and i think he’ll have goat european player on lock. only other competition would be if jokic starts a dynasty
Jokic is averaging 26 on only 17 shots a night....if he cared about stats and numbers like these idiots do it wouldn't even be close lets be very clear
Luka is the best player in the NBA today, tomorrow and forever. Full stop! Anybody who can’t or won’t see that, is either blind, knows nothing about basketball or he is a hater😲
The irony of a 🤡 like you saying know nothing about basketball when the only person who would say something this dense is someone like you who doesn’t know ball
@goodjobb24 in that case do you think Derrik Rose was a better point guard than Steph Curry? He certainly seemed to be more talented but injuries robbed him of his best physical abilities
Luka is leading the league in points and averaging 8 points more than Jokic and more assists at the same time. Now they they have a big they won 6 in a row so he will actually have to be considered this year. His defense is much better than it was, 7th in steals. It’s not elite by any means but given where he started it’s leaps and bounds better.
YOU DONT HAVE TO WIN TO BE THE GREATEST. DIRK TOOK OUT PRIME LEBRON, D WADE, AN BOSH WITH NO CURRENT ALLSTAR ON THE TEAM IN THE FINALS. WHAT HAS LUKAH DONE BESIDES SCORE.
As of right now today 1) Giannis 2x mvp 1x champ 1x fmvp 1x dpoy 2) joker 2x mvp 1x champ 1x fmvp 3) dirk 1x mvp 1x champ 1xfmvp 4) luka a bunch of all nbas… 5) Tony Parker 4 rings 1x fmvp And then everybody else
Dirk was the first Euro superstar, first European to lead a team to a championship. Luka may have a better offense but it doesn’t make him the greatest European ever yet, he doesn’t have the accolades
I am a huge fan of Lukas because I am a Mavs fan but he is not better than Jokić they are both equally fantastic with their perception of the game I would have to see those to stand out above any European players that we’ve ever had but Dirk was so I will never disrespect him because he could shoot his good at anyone in it’ll be a long time before these two meaning Luca and Jokić can score nearly as much as dirk. But for the complete game including assists and vision Luca and Jokić are the best two above all in this game at this time,
People get so fascinated with number that they don’t put emphasis on winning and accolades. Luka can be the best euro basketball ever when it’s all said and done. But Dirk is better and joker fasho better and wemby will be better .
People who saw him play in Europe said he might've had the talent to be the best player on an NBA team. He probably never was, but he's still underrated.
I’m taking Jokić over Luka, Jokic makes his teammates better, he gets them involved better, he’s much more efficient. Not to say Luka isn’t great, he is but Jokic is more reliable, more durable, I can trust him to make the right play every single possession. He is the greatest European hooper to ever play the game.
You could give these guys a map, an hour, and a million dollars and they wouldn’t be able to find europe on a map
They literally played there and insulting someone intelligence off basketball takes shows your ignorance
@@deeswagg21 These guys live in America and couldn’t find Missouri if you asked them. Let’s be real they’re hoopers but let’s not act like they’re gonna win on jeopardy
@@rdgpats how do u know that ? And who are you to determine someone knowledge of something 😂
That is typical of most Americans not knowing anywhere outside of their town or city.
You're so right
In a European discussion Tim Duncan and Ginobili were brought up! Get these guys a map!
When Tim came from a US owned state, The USVI. Knowledge is power
Ginobili played Euroball some but he's Argentinian
@@shootyboo4798Tim Duncan is from the Virgin Islands
@@user-lt1fx2he5s that's what USVI means
@@user-lt1fx2he5s there's the British Virgin Islands and the US Virgin Islands
Luka may be the most dominant offensive player ever seen. That sounds crazy but at a certain point you have to take into consideration Luka makes every kind of shot there is from anywhere on the floor. Post, 3's, midrange, fade aways, step backs, jab steps, facing the basket, back to the basket, his bag is DEEP.
Plus he averages 34,9,8 which is crazy no one has ever done that and he’s arguably top 2 playmaker in league and top 2 scorer
@@lukasmalinauskas2428 He may be the best playmaker in the league, Jokic is the only one that can challenge for that spot and as far as scoring, you think Embiid? I'll tell you this, Embiid doesn't not have the deep bag that Luka has, Luka can score from anywhere, in any manner or method you choose, Embiid takes some mid-range jumpers but mostly scores layups, dunks, and shoots FT's all night. As far as offensive skill, Luka is on another level.
he could lead the league in points and assists in the same season sometime soon.
As a lifelong Mavs fan I have to say, Jokic does all of that as well. And he has the Hardware to prove it. BUT Luka has all the tools (and counting stats) to get by Jokic at some time. It all depends on MVP's and Titles.
Durant is unguardable, luka/Curry/Embiid/Jokic next
The Jokic disrespect is crazy
It isn't disrespect. Make sure to go look up the definition
@@devob100lol gils arena burner account ??
@@devob100you’re a special breed of dumb
@@SSJRome Nah he's got a point. Its harsh, but at 24 no European is close
@@LuisLRC he hasn’t even sniffed a NBA finals yet we gotta pump the brakes
Haha i think that discussing what country comprises Europe would be a 1 hour discussion for these guys
😂🙏🇸🇪
Non American white dudes
You know they don’t want to give any European hoopers any respect
Who cares?
Jokic is a 2 time MVP and a champion without a superteam lol. As of now he’s the best player in the league and best European ever
Right now no. Luka is playing better though its close
@@fork6057 joker is the only nba player that’s top 10 in points rebounds and assist. With top 5 in 2 categories. Luka ain’t dominating the game like joker hence why he’s number 1 in mvp rankings
@@fork6057 he cemented himself with last year’s playoff run, and it’s literally a meme how he doesn’t even take the game that serious and still dominates lol. I know that no matter who he plays Jokic will dominate and he’s proven he can do it and win a ring. He’s the best player in the NBA, that includes Luka.
But don’t lie his team has always been better than Lukas
@@ye87 what does the team have to do with him winning back to back MVPs? Some people even say it should’ve been 3 in a row.
Put some respect on JOKIC name. 😤
he is in the same conversation as DONCIC...thats respect. P.S. perfect amount of likes on your comment = 77 :P
@@Zelodkodoncic is not in the same universe with jokic. This is totally disrespectful to jokic
u r delusional@@Peca-sz6yt
Good brother u need to leave that dope alone @Peca-sz6yt
Jokic, Dirk, Bird, Luka and Nash. That 5 is solid
Bird and Nash not from Europe
@@LngLivMamba17nash is still considered international
@@YALLCANTGUARDMEPODCAST_ the convo is about specifically Europeans
@@LngLivMamba17 No it's not, it's about CAUCASIANS XD didn't you listen to them?
Caucasian internationals….. Bird is from Indiana lol
The geographic ignorance, and the blending and confusion that a lot of Americans have with origin, nationality & race, never ceases to amaze me. It reminds me a conversation I once heard being in London, a black American tourist said to another guy, ' I didn't know there were so many African Americans in London'. And the other guy had to answer, 'They are just English'
And personally I find it irritating for african americans who wear black lives matter, protest against racism then at the same time be so ignorant of other races. Like in this crew rashad always like to implicate race on some issues on NBA but at the same time he's so ig orant of other races. Damn afrocentric stuff.. Like in the NBA they'll be putting on these protest and stuff then at the same time diss european or asian players, I'm like wtf the hypocracy and ignorance is on different level. Like Bill Rusell said to Kenny Smith "As a black man, you should always be inclusive" most don'ive by those words
They are not English
@@Nathand0992 It seems that you know all of them
@@Nathand0992 And if you want to go to that path and separate origin and nationality from race, would be better if you start referring to all the white Londoners as Romans or Vikings, it would be more accurate. And even then you could be wrong, because the Roman Empire had blacks among their troops
White Americans are far less ignorant but maybe because European ancestry.
The obsession with race is as confounding as it is concerning.
It can never just be about basketball lmao
Americans just can't help themselves
@@natedogg890The world is obsessed with race and skin tone. Not just Americans.
Where do you see an obsession? They’re just talking about it
@@DallasMasochistwhat’s wrong with this conversation?
They’re talking just to talk at this point! I f@*k with Luka, but JOKIC!! You all have a blessed day! 💯🏀
JOKIC HAS 2 MVPS AND JUST WON THE TITLE WTF YALL MEAN LUKA???
Luka still better than jokic
@@sheikhmohammadwaleed9446 You make Luka fans look dumb.
they don't even know Giannis is an European
they thought Ginobli & Tim Duncan were European….
Focused on “Caucasian” players. They mention it in the vid
@@bo0gi3 hahahah
He ain't European, just like a white guy born in Japan ain't Japanese
@@bo0gi3y’all ain’t us 😂😂😂😂
"No one can do the shit Shaq did" says it all.
They just see it from see it through the lens of the American way to play (read athleticism). That's what they scratch their heads and don't understand why Luca & Jokic toying with NBA defence because they have the 'fundamentals' and
and uses the opponents' athleticism (read lack of fundamentals) to their advantage. Their knowledge of European basketball is as deep as European geography= none! Suggestion: next much more exciting topic- what can American learn from European way of playing basketball. 🙏🇸🇪
Hell what Luka and Jokic are doing isn’t normal plus they’re doing it without athleticism so they will still be able to dominant
Luka and Jokic are athletic, y'all a bi misconception on what is atheticism. Also LeBron is athletic and smart as hell, same for Magic, stop seeing the lens through fundamentals vs athleticism because the greatest ever have both in either type of way or shape
The funniest part of this clip is them tryna figure out what constitutes european playere 😂😂
This is a stupid question because he's obviously behind Giannis and Joker.
they trynna say white internatonal lol
@@haqq1joker is a white international
@@haqq1shit I never realised jokić is black
They not wrong luka is the best . Hes 23/24 years old this great this young we've never seen it b4 especially from any Europeans hes better than all of them.
The mavs FO did a horrible job building around him if they did their job like all other top team he would have more rings and mvps than jokic, giannis and dirk thats just how great luka is and ahead of the pack.
And even if he isnt hes easily on pace to be the best European ever atleast as long as the Mavs FO do thier job.
No European player has ever been anywhere close to luka at his age not dirk,jokic,giannis whoever
Yes, but Luka needs to win a championship at least first. Joker has two finals mvps...
you guys need to review geography and race
The jokic disrespect is crazy
Why are yall saying European players. Luka is the best offensive player in the league hands down.
If Luka stays on pace he'll smash every record on the books, if he gets better then damn, it's going to be something special to watch!
The media is biased for sure, but let's be clear , Luka is a scoring machine with shots from everywhere, his passes are amazing and he is an assist king. He also rebounds with the best of them. His defense is on the rise. This man is an amazing talent. With his new lineup he's going to better himself for sure. I'm seeing a championship soon ! 👀
Crazy isn't it. Then they had the cheek to say best caucasian player? Not all Euro players are caucasian? Look at Giannis? They really trying to gate keep american black players it's crazy.
@hithere3035 yeah it's disgusting, the ego bs is ridiculous. Why can't people just admire the greatness of players and enjoy the game? It's always a comparison without the reality and pieces around them. Lukas stats and play style speak for themselves. Any real person with basketball Iq would know that his talent is amazing!
Jokic is a better offensive player than Luka, and Jokic has some achievements due to it as well. Plus, Jokic has meshed with all of the Nuggets, while it's a question mark how much of a dent it is on Luka's game, that he can't mesh with many players.
@@penkima4923that he can’t mesh with many players? Give Jokic, Theo Pinson, THJ, Bullock and Dinwiddie. Let’s see how he “meshes”. Luka is doing just fine with Kyrie, Gafford, Lively and Jones.
@@Tommy-hq9ww Let's see you talk about a longer span than this season.
Jokic doesn't have anything to prove regarding meshing. His teammates have all been injured for entire seasons, and they still haven't even ended up in the play-in. The Mavs missed the play-in last season. Sure, the Nuggets are a better team overall, and Kyrie as another ball-handler doesn't fit Luka's play-style.
I'm saying Luka might be worth all the hype. But I want to see at least a finals appearance soon, until I'm certain he's all that.
The All-White team would be pretty sick...it might not be deep but it's got some ballers. Nash, Luka, Bird, Dirk, Joker with Peja, Stockton, McHale, Pistol Pete, Kerr, Vlade, Walton & West coming off the bench. That starting 5 is just stupid good. Every one of them are deadly shooters and you got 4 dudes who could come up with a triple-double on any given night. The bench ain't too bad either.
I guess i felt like losing some braincells today.
Have fun I'm out
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Another example Dirk is greatly underrated. That man went through all the best teams in the West, and Lebrón.
When I was younger yall really were some of my fav players. I grew up in MN so I watched Rashad hoop all the time When Brandon dropped 50 with the twisties I went and twisted my hair the next day! Gill I don’t even have to say nothing we already kno he was balling! It’s crazy to see all yall up here now 🔥
Yess!!! Month ago or so... Irving and Luka... Tired Out Lakers new Young Team and Reeves. Thru all and 4th Quarter!! 2 Very Special Offensive Talent with Irving!!
Pat bev put up 2.7 ppg and .6 assist in the euroleague
Luka-Jokic-Gianis-Nowitzki-Parker
Joker ???
Luka is the best NBA player..... period.
None of you stans have any arguments for it.
The thing about Wemby is he's going to be making all-nba AND all-defensive teams. He's going to be the nost versatile player in the league. There really isnt anything he can't do. The only other two-way phenom in the league making both thosw teams is Giannis, and if Wemby keeps improving like he has been then he might be the best player in the league before his rookie contract is up
Tony Parker deserves a mention
Pau Gasol too
In terms of skills yea he’s the best but mavs fans really need him to win a ring for Dallas
In terms of skills, Luka's not the best.
Giannis and jokic so far the best europeans cus of the championships they got , but luka is still younger than both of them if if he manage to make a run and win a championship in the next 3 years and a mvp (which i think its disrespect that he is not even in the top 3 today , for me if he manage to take dallas to the 5 or the 4th place at the standings he is the mvp for sure this year), for today its jokic , giannis and luka
The difference is, Luka played with a bunch of nobody's on his team. Now that he has some depth, this team will excel. I'm hoping the injuries stay away for the rest of the season. With that said, I think the mavs have the right pieces to get the job done now.
Context matters in these situations, Mavs were a nothing team. Then they got a generation player and they barely built around him. Mavs just hoped Luka would carry them all the way by himself but it's impossible. Players like Giannis and Jokic played in teams where that had all star players. It's was only since Irving came that Luka trully had a world class player. I mean things have changed in the past week of course he's got some excellent help. Can you imagine the way that Luka can give players clean look 3s and Mavs actually had a couple players that could hit them at a high percentage rather than just relying on himself? Mavs would've been in a totally different situation which would've made Luka look even better. But ultimatley, Luka has had the whole organisation on his shoulders and his shoulders only.
Jokic won the MVP, when Murray and MJP were injured the whole season. And Jokic dragged them to 6th seed. Luka didn't make the play-in with Kyrie.
jokic is literally a 2 time mvp champion and more efficient stats. they changed their argument from is he the best euro of all time rn then remembered jokic and said he will be the best euro by the end of his career lol weird
Lukas the best player in the league at 24 when the league is more talented then it’s ever been.
The league has less talent than ever, and Luka still isn't the best player.
Denver without Jokic is lottery team...That how good he is...
he take half of Luka shots per game...and average 26p.
He won everything and Luka doesn't ...
And he will win more.
If he care about scoring that much he will average crazy numbers.
How about we wait on judgement until both can submit their complete resumes?
Denver without Jokic isn't a lottery team. They are better than Dallas without Luka.
@@penkima4923 Both teams without those 2 players are lottery teams... non playoffs for sure
If he didn't die Drazen Petrovich would've been up there
And if Arvidas Sabonis had gone to the NBA earlier, he would be up there too
I was looking for this comment ... dude would of been legendary 💯💯💯💯💯
SPECIAL RIP & shout out to drazen petrovich
but he did
Pound for pound Luka the best in the nba
Yo why did they just dismiss joker like that. Joker was labeled the best player in the league a year ago with a ring 🤦🏽♂️
Give Wemby 5 years and there's no telling how crazy his stats will be. I'm a Mavs fan, but Wemby is altering what is possible in basketball. wemby can win DPOY and MVP... I didn't think anybody would dominate like Jordan, but Wemby can't dominate both ends of the court. In 5 years, Wemby will be unstoppable.... Back to Luka, He is killing it!
Wemby can not will big diffrence!!! Luka is dominating huge diffrence get your facts right! What if wemby gets injured with his physics and body its very Hard
Pau deserves some credit and mention
Intelligent Convo fellas
I'm a Luka fan and I believe he has a good chance to finish as the best European basketball player ever to play when his basketball career ends, but he isn't currently that.
If we are talking strictly European NBA players, in alphabetical order (since I don't want to rank them right now), here are at least 3 players he would have to pass:
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Nikola Jokić
Dirk Nowitzki
With 2 of those players still being in the league and still being great, it won't be easy, but it is definitely doable if he has that desire. If he plays long enough (A big if considering he has multiple times stated that he doesn't want to), I believe he can finish as the best European basketball player ever, but as far as NBA resumes go, he still has a long way to go.
Yoke-Itch > Don-Chitch
I'm a Mavs fan but Luka has to get atleast a Chip first before he overtakes Jokic and Giannis.
Right now, it's 1. Dirk, 2. Jokic, 3. Giannis, 4. Luka -
Luka has a great shot at becoming the greateast European player ever. He has the skill set. But he lacks the success.
The biggest issue with wemby is who is his PG? Luka is the PG/PF/SG with his crazy skill set. Wemby will be that guy in a couple years especially with (trae most likely imo) a actual PG. Wemby will consistently go 25/10/3 with 2-3 bpg.
Pat Bev did not win te Euroleague MVP. He merely won the 2nd tier cometition MVP award... similar to what G league is to NBA.
This type thing don't fly in the NFL for some reason, it's certain teams under certain positions like Taysom Hill as a starter where I've seen the hurt feelz
Luka and Joker the two best in the LEAGUE as a WHOLE - PRESENT DAY
Jokic Wide Shoulders... wide steps...
Embiid, Jello body around Jokic... Giannis Ran His Dunks... now Luka Find ways to Score!!!!
Maybe not yet but he's on that trajectory.
Its sad nobody knows about Dražen Petrović. If he lived today he would still be the GOAT. Even till his death his skillset was insane.
Jokic took all REWARDS and 1st dominate force for last 4 years overall ...
that disrispect is insane.
I hope he will won much more... and shut all stupid and disrispect mouth.
Jokic is literally playing right now and is a champ with 2 mvps... im all for Luka becoming the GOAT and he deffinately has the most potential but Jokic currently is right there.
Saying luka is better than Gianni’s and jokic is absolutely crazy.
Not really. Take your pick.
@@imdbtruthshut up
@@imdbtruth Giannis and Jokic have rings and MVPs, so you just can't say take your pick.
@penkima4923 That doesn't make them a better player than Luka today. Winning a championship is a team accomplishment, and really so is winning an MVP. Luka has been good enough individually to win an MVP for several seasons in a row, but they held him back because of his team's record. I think Luka, Jokic, and Giannis are on a tier by themselves (with Embiid out), and you can take your pick as to which you think is best.
@@imdbtruth Luka doesn't mesh with ball-dominant players, and didn't mesh with Porzingis. It's a question mark if Luka can mesh with anybody. Luka didn't make the play-in last season with Kyrie. Jokic was able to drag the Nuggets to 6th seed without Murray or MPJ the season they were both injured. And Giannis has won a DPotY-award, and that's not a team award. It's questionable to say Luka is on that same level with them before Luka has won anything in the regular season or in the playoffs.
Joker probably the better team player, hope he wins a second this year and cements himself as an all time great.
if he wins another chips this year and most likely winning mvp now that embidd is out the race if he gets that 2nd chips hes a top 10 center all time no debate
@@315giantsTo me he’s already the best center and 2nd best player I’ve ever seen behind MJ.
Sabonis SR, Jokic, Bird, Dirk, Luka would easily be a finals team. Them boys can all shoot, understand spacing, and have a high offensive IQ. That would be the best shooting team ever assembled.
Defensively…………….
Luka won MVP with the biggest sportive institution in the World, Real Madrid, put some respect in his name
Nobody said he didn't.
Luka hasn't done more but he is more talented a player than dirk ever was and dirk was my favorite player growing up
I think Luka easily has the potential to be. He just obviously doesnt have the career yet.
For now Jokic and Giannis easily clear.
But literally Dirk himself has said that as a *player on the court* Luka is better than he ever was, and I think he said that years ago when Luka was still in his early 20s.
Jason Kidd, a guy who was literally Dirks teammate when he won that ring, said Luka is better and on the level of MJ/Kobe
People gotta remember this mf isnt even 25 yet and has already gone 4/5 on first team all nba seasons (about to be 5/6), dropped 73, 60/20/10, averages a 35 point triple double, and completely dismantled and embarrassed the 1 seed in the playoffs when he was age 22 or 23.
come back in a decade and i think he’ll have goat european player on lock. only other competition would be if jokic starts a dynasty
Jokic is averaging 26 on only 17 shots a night....if he cared about stats and numbers like these idiots do it wouldn't even be close lets be very clear
Jokic has better stats and numbers than Luka.
Bruh they disrespect giannis antetokounmpo so bad mvp and finals mvp and y’all wanna talk about a boy with no rings lmao
Racists gonna race bait.
(Them, not you)
Luka is the best player in the NBA today, tomorrow and forever. Full stop! Anybody who can’t or won’t see that, is either blind, knows nothing about basketball or he is a hater😲
The irony of a 🤡 like you saying know nothing about basketball when the only person who would say something this dense is someone like you who doesn’t know ball
Lol that's why luka is massive favorite to win mvp and championship, oh no wait that's jokic
Too soon for Luka, Dirk played for 20 years. Luka can surpass him but we need to see him play for a lot more years
Luka more talented that was the topic . Just because u more talented doesn't mean u had a better career then the next.
@goodjobb24 in that case do you think Derrik Rose was a better point guard than Steph Curry? He certainly seemed to be more talented but injuries robbed him of his best physical abilities
@@avataz healthy drose was a threat but curry still more talented. Curry more talented then healthy Brandon Roy. Curry changed the game.
Yes he is
Luka is leading the league in points and averaging 8 points more than Jokic and more assists at the same time. Now they they have a big they won 6 in a row so he will actually have to be considered this year. His defense is much better than it was, 7th in steals. It’s not elite by any means but given where he started it’s leaps and bounds better.
#TheresThisGuy #WithTheSpurs #QuestionEverything
Luka is the best scorer I've ever seen. been watching since 1981
These guys have a deep internal racism against non black players. It’s craazyy!
Tim Duncan is from Spain right?
luka the best player to come out of a european basketball team not best euro player still early in his career
Giannis and jokic is the best.
No mention about Tony Parker ?
They really showed the IQ level of nba when they started talking about where Europe was ….. lord had mercy
U mean IQ level of US citizens..
I see it more of a sign of a bad schooling system, and just a general disregard of anything non-american.
Giannis is technically a euro player as well. Joker, gainnis, and dirk
YOU DONT HAVE TO WIN TO BE THE GREATEST. DIRK TOOK OUT PRIME LEBRON, D WADE, AN BOSH WITH NO CURRENT ALLSTAR ON THE TEAM IN THE FINALS. WHAT HAS LUKAH DONE BESIDES SCORE.
Kobe said Oscar Shmidt and i agree. 40,000 points.
Joker is best Luca 2 all time then dirk technically gianis is euro
Caucasians.
What accolades does Luka have ?
Y'all got a podcast but don't know the countries of Europe? Wooow
Tony Kukoc!
As of right now today
1) Giannis 2x mvp 1x champ 1x fmvp 1x dpoy
2) joker 2x mvp 1x champ 1x fmvp
3) dirk 1x mvp 1x champ 1xfmvp
4) luka a bunch of all nbas…
5) Tony Parker 4 rings 1x fmvp
And then everybody else
Dirk was the first Euro superstar, first European to lead a team to a championship. Luka may have a better offense but it doesn’t make him the greatest European ever yet, he doesn’t have the accolades
All he need is a ring
I am a huge fan of Lukas because I am a Mavs fan but he is not better than Jokić they are both equally fantastic with their perception of the game I would have to see those to stand out above any European players that we’ve ever had but Dirk was so I will never disrespect him because he could shoot his good at anyone in it’ll be a long time before these two meaning Luca and Jokić can score nearly as much as dirk. But for the complete game including assists and vision Luca and Jokić are the best two above all in this game at this time,
I been saying these dudes are casuals and this clips is just crazy
Luka, Dražen, Giannis, Joker, Pau Gasol, ... and thats just this new ones
did nick young kill the "rusty crown" era
hold on now why is wemby in this and not giannis ?
Wemby is average 20/10 on limited minutes. He’ll make that 10 point leap next year and average 30/15 simply off of more playing time.
You just can't increase the playing time of players taller than 7-feet. And even if that was possible, 30 ppg isn't a certainty.
Neither of these guys have ever palmed a globe.
People get so fascinated with number that they don’t put emphasis on winning and accolades. Luka can be the best euro basketball ever when it’s all said and done. But Dirk is better and joker fasho better and wemby will be better .
have anyone ever seen a game from ricky rubio and said damn..want to buil a team around him?
People who saw him play in Europe said he might've had the talent to be the best player on an NBA team. He probably never was, but he's still underrated.
Can't Forget about Drazen Petrovic, Arvydas Sabonis, Oscar Schmidt,
Jokic and Giannis are significantly above Luka as basketball players. Luka is a tremendous talent but there are different levels.
They are better for sure but imo it’s because of difference in accolades not pure ability
@@TheQiaoli Even in pure ability they are still better.
@@DynamicUnrealThey are better now and they might be better even when Luka hit his peak but it’s close
Jokic is the best right now but Doncic has potential to surpass him at the same age imo.
That discussion hurt my feelings. And I leave a little bit more stupid.
I’m taking Jokić over Luka, Jokic makes his teammates better, he gets them involved better, he’s much more efficient. Not to say Luka isn’t great, he is but Jokic is more reliable, more durable, I can trust him to make the right play every single possession. He is the greatest European hooper to ever play the game.
Pat Beverly scored 2.7 points in euroleague lol