Overseeding Rye into Brassicas [With Results]
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2022
- If you need to salvage a food plot late in the summer, then you need to watch this video. My brassica plot was getting demolished by the deer and so I've been working on a last-minute salvage using Rye Grain seed. See the results of my efforts in this video.
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Winter rye will grow virtually anywhere. Definitely a nice option to have in the lesser soils
I’m seeing that when it’s just laying on the surface my germination isnt that great. But with multiple seedlings I should be able to get enough to grow
That layered in rye should certainly take the pressure off those brassicas. Looking good. Bow season is just around the corner.
Great idea, the exact same thing is happening to my food plot and I know a solution now! Also a great quality video!!!
Thanks Dylan!
Rye grain grows very easy on most soils. Top seeding rye grain works good no need to drag in.
Glad it's working out. I have tried seeding brassica and beans/peas the last four weekends as the forecast was for rain, which never came. Rye looks to be my saving grace this year as long as I get some rain in the next two weeks. I'm in the mountain ground of West Virginia, so the soil is super light and dries out quickly. The rye should help next year as I can crimp it down and spray it before I plant my summer cover crop. I follow Jeff as well as Josh from Whitetail Driven Solutions and they both highly recommend rye. Hope your season is successful.
Thanks for the note. Glad to hear that the rye might bail you out this year! The rye will be my saving grace this year as well I’m thinking
I use a small bucket that fits in the earthway bag and cut the bottom out. It'll hold the sides up for you so you dont struggle with pouring seed alone.
This is a fantastic idea. You saw my struggles in the video! Thanks for sharing
That’s a pro tip right there. 👍🏻
Saw Bill Winke use a 3 gallon plant pot for that. Worth a shot!
i just did what you said and im hoping it works thank you
Needs moisture and should work. Also- seed more than you think you need. With those large seeds laying on top of soil you don’t get full germination. Good luck!
I planted 1 plot of rye in June after planting 1 in May of wheat nearby. Very sandy soil as long as it has a decent pH is ideal for this approach. I had to do the rye cuz it was later. I believe the wheat seed is softer but larger. The deer hit my wheat hard but I had just enough rain in central MN to till it under 10 days ago. The last week of the wheat the rye it was getting hit harder. I mowed the rye to keep weeds down in July & up until planting. The deer hooves helped me out cuz I only had to till about 1/3 of the rye plot. The part I tilled had thick weeds that I had to kill with Roundup. Only the 3rd gallon I've had to use in 25 years doing this. Always like to do things right with good planning. Those 2 plots r seeded with Domain Big Sexy & a blend of turnip seed I added cuz it was so awesome last fall. I have pasture land that I broadcasted 2 types of clover just b4 a rain 2 weeks ago along with rape & a little bit of my leftover Big Sexy. U might want to have an area with that u could do this to take some of the night pressure off your plots. I don't like to mix rye with wheat. Planting them a month apart helps since the animals will choose what they like & usually take whatever is new & it will take the heat of an early fall plot like u have there. All things equal I like wheat for palatability ➕️ the stem splits so it's like a 2 for 1. Any tips about sandy soil I've conquered so p.m. me anytime 😊.
I appreciate it!
How
Many woodchucks ya got out there?
They will destroy!
Rye will work. It’s my fail safe in WNY. My brass didn’t do too well this yr…..every time I roll in there I run chucks off. Deer will def hit the brass before the “first frost” too…
As long as the rye is in bare soil, you’ll be fine. Only issue I’ve had is hard rains plus a slope can carry seed off. As temps cool this time of year(in my area) the dew is enough to Gettem going. On a slope, I prefer no rain for a few days until they take root.
Lastly, if I’m not mistaken, rye grass looks like grass seed….very small. Rye grain is like a football shaped pea…..
Good luck I wouldn’t sweat the plot, it’ll be fine!
I’ve got a nice stand of winter rye coming up. Deer are hitting it!
Good luck
Turkeys are like vacuums on that seed. Looks like your plot is big enough that a good amount of it will survive.
Yep. I got pretty good coverage that germinated
I had winter rye 8 to 12 inches high last year and the deer still ate it down once the other brassica was gone. I also took a 2 gallon pail,cut the bottom out and I put it in the earthly spreader before filling. Much easier to fill up.
Great tip here on the 5 gallon pail… that a huge pain filling my spreader. thanks for sharing!
@@northernforestwhitetail I saw Don Mealy use a kids basketball hoop, the kind you hang on the wall, for the inside of the spreader. It works great.
Buy a cheap 3 gal plastic mop bucket. Cut the bottom out and place it in spreader bag when filling. When full pull it out with the handle. Perfect size for the Earthway bag. No spillage.
I like that idea
Nice work and well thought out video and plots. I am working on my 1st round of food plots but they are several (5) micro plots about 1/8 acre with clover feeding trails leading from plot to plot on my small 11 acre parcel against large age in Nebraska. Can't wait to see the updates in the next few weeks to see if your brassicas make a come back! You don't talk about what blend you use? In Jeff's videos he talks about the how hard and early the Brassica get hit up north because of the lack in AG. Curious to know what they seem to be hitting the most this early?
I like your approach of smaller plots connected w clover trails. This year I did plant the Northwoods Whitetails sweet feast brassica blend. I’m really hanging my hat on this winter rye approach. And yes, I’m in a northern area without any Ag around me. That’s why My plot is getting hammered so bad. I’ll send out an update on how things are coming for sure! Stay in touch
You might have seeded the brassica a tad to early although weather determines that more than dates do. Looks like the deer raided a candy store!
I skipped pure brassica plots this year. Big woods deer mow it down, nothing left 2 weeks after they find it. Rye or Wheat stays mowed down but keeps growing.
I’m finding I may have to do that next year
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The winter Rye grand will come back in the spring and be an early season food source as well I have been doing it for the past four seasons
Plus you get added weed suppression that way as well
I thought Jeff said do not plant Rye with Brassica. It does well with clover over seeding it a couple weeks after clover but it will overtake the brassica. Hopefully, it works out for you there.
He says don’t plant them together at the same time. But he does say that rye can save a brassica plot last minute if it’s getting destroyed by deer. So that you have something there for them in the fall
@@northernforestwhitetail In Maine here I planted my brassica a couple weeks ago. Hopefully, I do not have the same problem. I will plant clover there the first week of September and layer Rye on that plot about 3 weeks later and then layer Rye again a couple weeks after that. I will then pray that there will be something still growing for deer season in November. The last two years my plots were down to the ground by November.
Nice save! What did you set your earthway spreader at for the rye?
In the bare dirt areas, Wide open. As far as the slide goes. I actually don’t use the wingnut lock on it. I just hold the tension with my finger then I can adjust as I need to. In areas where there were heavy brassica plants remaining, I seeded less rye (let the door close some and let less seed out). Then in bare dirt areas, I held the door open as wide as it goes and let the seed come out really fast.
Next time when you plant the brasica, add some buckwheat to the mix. I had that problem too and buckwheat helped with the radish growth.
You think the buckwheat helps w soil health?
@@northernforestwhitetail definitely.
@@northernforestwhitetail Yes, buckwheat is great at putting nitrogen back into the soil.
Crazy that they have been hitting your brassicas so hard this early in the year, must be very little food around you. My experience with rye is that it likely won't "rescue" your brassicas as it will take from them and probably be the death nell for it - even if the deer shift to eating the young rye. It's also pretty early and by season, you might find it's a little too long and I find the deer don't browse it as much. I plant mine in early to mid-Sept in central Michigan. Hope it works out for you, but that's my finding after almost a decade with cereal grains and brassicas. Good luck this year!
Thanks for sharing- yeah, it’s not an ideal situation for me. My other idea was to till under my whole brassica plot and start fresh with rye. Decisions decisions…
I thought the same way about the rye competing with the brassicas to find out I have 2 friends that let the brassicas get about that same size and Inter seed rye into it and works every year they said there deer don't like the big woody brassicas and it only set them back a little. I do think you might have planted a little early but the way it looks they might keep it grazed down. U feeding them beans in the summer because it's crazy what there doing. I think you might have to get rid of allot of does. Man them brassicas looked great. Great video and I think it should work out for you
What would you recommend planting for late season? I have about a 1/4 plot. Thanks
With 1/4 acre plot, things like brassicas, corn, beans will never last. I’d go with rye. I don’t think rye is as attractive as the other crops but it is highly browse tolerant and stays green later than most anything else in the woods. Best of luck!
Was wondering what size your plot(s) are that they got eaten out so bad? I did the same on Aug 29 for the same reason. I have two approximate 3/4 acre plots. The brassica never got as big as yours even. I will check on them this weekend coming up. Hoping for a good return. I used winter wheat on one plot and rye on the other to compare. Thanks for the video.
In total I have 1.6 acres. Yeah pretty incredible what these deer can to to brassicas. My winter rye is going well. Hope you have some luck!
Looks at the time you solved your problem. I was wondering if it had good enough results to enable you to hunt at gun season?
It lasted until gun season but barely. I definitely wouldn’t rely on this as a main strategy (overseeding) but it did bail me out in a pinch
I had the same problem filling my seeder and spilling a lot of seed until I cut the bottom and top out of a 2 1/2 gal rinsed out chemical jug. The cut jug fits inside my seeder bag and holds the bag up to put in seed. Remove the jug when ready to go. I know this will help!!.
Thanks for the tip!
Are you in a big wilderness area or no AG land around ya? I’ve seen deer over browse plots in areas like that cuz it’s the only real food in the area, rye or wheat is def an option, hope it works out for ya
In a wooded area with no ag around. Couple hay fields in the area but no cash crops (corn, beans wheat, etc). And so I think you are right
Great video man! At 9:04 I notice your screen in the background. What are u using and how long ago did you plant???
Hey thanks! I actually did a plot screen comparison- I planted both the “Northwoods whitetail” screen then in a different spot I planted the “fridges forage screen”. Northwoods white tails got much taller but the fridges forage got much thicker. I filmed a video on it you can watch too:
Plot screen comparison video here: czcams.com/video/LElhDE0N8-E/video.html
@northernforestwhitetail very nice! In the overseeding rye into brassica video, which particular screen is this, and about how long ago did you plant? I use Incognito by Domain and just trying to visually compare. Thanks!!
@@johnathanoneil243 at 9:04 it’s the frigid forage screen behind me. That particular area got overtaken by weeds and got stunted
Same thing happened to me and I did the exact same thing. I think the problem is we planted a bit too early.
I’m glad I planted mid august when I did. With the amount of pressure I’m seeing, I need to get those plants growing now
Did you plant too early?
I don’t think it was too early. I typically plant mid July so that I get more plant/bulb growth. Which in the past has resulted in more tonnage. This year on my new plot that obviously didn’t work out.
What's your soil ph? Will watch your plot progress updates if you post them 👍
I never did test it this spring. Will do it this coming spring. Will likely need Lime
I’ve had to give up on Brassica plots here in the UP. They have consistently destroyed them before October everytime.
Have you gone to rye instead?
@@northernforestwhitetail usually a mix of rye oats and wheat. I still will throw in some radishes but I just don’t make brassicas my primary ingredient. Also have white clover plots.
Why isn’t there more hunting of the feral deer. Thought it was more regularly eaten. It was not in Australia. But we are now being overrun because of protection and severe hunting/gun restrictions.
Rye grass is a much smaller seed as well.
I would consider mixing in some wheat with the rye for sweetness. This is a good example of why all brassicas don't work.
What do you like for timing planting on the wheat- in relation to the first frost date?
@@northernforestwhitetail 2 to 3 weeks before. but you can put on thicker later if you have to.
How much do you pay for a bushel
I don’t remember exactly what I paid last summer. I want to say it was $25 per bag (per bushel).
Electric fence some off. Brassicas will regrow new leaves
I’m actually thinking I might do this next year. One acre of brassicas w electric fence…