Rob Reacts to... Is A High-Speed Rail Possible In Australia? | Utopia
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- Is there room for high-speed rail in Australia or are there too many reasons not to have it?
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"But it will never be built!"
"We don't want to build it...we just want to announce it!"
Rob Sitch is a legend.
Love this show. Having worked in the public service this is so real
Yes me too, the Board of Studies for one, it was always another meeting, alter and update this, that's changed now, just sign here nightmare! 🤨
There is a new series of Utopia due out sometime this year, probably mid-year, I can't wait. I loved The Hollowmen and Utopia. As far as high speed rail goes I don't think we need it. I'm in Melbourne, so I'll settle for a rail connection between the city and the airport. We have stuffed around for years on that and it's finally going to be built.
I have rewatched Utopia so many times it’s insane! 😂 I can’t wait for the new series this year! 🎉
As you say, "It's a bit of a joke" but it was actually quite prescient. The Liberal/National governement decided to build a new freight track from Melbourne to Brisbane, Inland Rail, that would be able to haul double stacked containers. They really did set up an authority that oversees the process. The budget was $9 billion but it is now, about half built, projected to cost $31 billion and will take way longer than projected. It was never properly costed and the authority has been criticised as having people that do not have the required knowledge and background for the project. Utopia is so funny because their parties are so close to reality.
Like you have mentioned, the geography around Sydney is tough to build. Sydney is surrounded by national parks, tough terrain such as the Southern Highlands, Hawkesbury River to the north, and don't forget the built up area of the Sydney metropolitan area.
It's hard to tell if this is comedy or a straight fly-on-the-wall documentary. That's what makes it work so well. By the way, Cecilia Pacquola will be hosting the new series of 'Thank God You're Here'.
I’ve seen other interviews with the Working Dog writers. They get approached by heaps of people in public and private sector who say real life is even worse than this show.
It took around 100 years to build a railway from central to Bondi, so I don't think we will see one anytime soon.
animals, the gradient, temperature variations for a welded track, floods, cost, low population ... forget it. Rob Sitch is so underrated.
For many years they were talking about high speed rail between Sydney and Canberra. The cost for just that section would be prohibitive and to recoup it the fares would be more expensive than airfares.
The TGV train in France: from Paris to Bordeaux, 600km in 2 hours. Cost: €30. From the centre of Paris to the centre of Bordeaux, unlike travelling by plane when you need to spend additional time to get from the airport to the city centre, arrive at least one hour before departure etc.
and how does this apply to the route between Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne?
@@carisi2k11a similar distance between Canberra and Melbourne.
@@lukei6255 Yes we did the same trip from Amsterdam to Paris and it’s a similar distance, but a little slower as more stops travelling through three countries. Noticeable flat countryside all the way and yes faster and much nicer than flying as both departed and arrived where we wanted to be, in the middle of each city
@@lukei6255 Sydney to Melbourne is about 870km's, over half of which is traversing the great dividing range and so not as easy to build. Brisbane to Melbourne via Sydney is 2000km's.
Yeah, France about the size of NSW with 50 million people, plus another 250 million living in nearby countries.
Redoing the rail lines, straightening out bends, etc would be more affordable and aim at cutting the travelling time between Melbourne and Sydney by 3 - 4 hours.
They have been talking about this for decades. Looks like they have worked out the route. The biggest issue now with the possible project is just the cost. I think they should plan it in stages
It's funny as High Speed Rail comes up every ten years for elections. Utopia is a fantastic show.
You should try some Frontline by Rob Stitch...it's brilliant.
Rob Stitch?
@@dickwilliam3793 oh I did a typo, lucky there are people like you to correct my inadequacies ❤️
Working Dog are legends at making these shows.
New season out soon and Thank God You're Here is coming back.
Luke McGregor is the ginger you couldn't remember. Celia Pacquola you know. Rob Sitch ( one of the main Working Dog guys). Anthony "Lehmo" Lehman at the end, great stand up. Actor Dave Lawson with the beard. Kitty Flanagan is also in the show.
the one you couldn't remember was the Indian Pacific which goes from Perth to Adelaide then to Sydney
330km/h Tokyo to Kyoto to Hiroshima. Greatest train trip I've done !!
Look The VFT (Very Fast Train), The HSRP (High Speed Rail Project) to name but a few pops up about once every 5 to 10 years. Even if you built it which would be a hundreds of billions dollar project but if you built it, the running costs would mean every Australian would by law have to ride it 3 times a year just to cover running costs. Now a lot of people bring up Japan something to remember the Shinkansen high-speed trains carried around 195 million passengers per year Australia's population is only 26 million people and it it covers roughly half the distance from Sydney to Melbourne.
Today an economy flight from Brisbane to Melbourne is $150 and takes 3 hours, and an economy seat on a train costs $280 and takes 36 hours. There is no way a bullet train could go that much quicker maybe 15 hours at best because it has to slow down for bends around hills and stopping at stations along the way. Planes for me, get it over and done with.
They would have to build a new line. Very fast trains don't like short radius curves. And they would have to build a "very fast" train, or else, as you point out, it wouldn't be worth it.
@@daveg2104 There in lies the problem. The east coast of Australia doesn't exactly avail itself to straight lines.
@@carisi2k11 Yeah. Although I suppose it comes down to just how much money you want to throw at the problem. Getting through the Sydney metro area (particularly if you want a station near the CBD) would mean slow speed running on conventional track alignment, or building tunnels/skyrail. And that's without even mentioning the difficult surrounding terrain.
@@daveg2104 Sydney to Melbourne is atleast $200 billion to build and probably $250 if you add a Canberra branch. The whole thing from Brisbane to Melbourne via Sydney would be something like $500 billion.
@@carisi2k11 And that's without the inevitable cost blowouts.
In Japan the Bullet Trains travel in tunnels or on viaducts
again extremely costly especially when you consider that these tunnels and viaducts will need to be along most of the 850km route. Sydney metro NW, City and SW is costing about $20-25 billion for only about 30 km's of new track.
It's a no from me, the same as the current question! "It's not the destination that is important, but the journey"! I don't catch planes any more, buses are claustrophobic, and ships are full of oddballs, a train trip is my ideal journey! Imagine the weird cultural mix between Melbourne and Brisbane, and a few people from Sydney, on the one train you cannot step off! The Ghan is a historic long journey! Recently I costed a train trip to go and visit my uncle's war memorial in Darwin - Sydney to Darwin, 82 hours, 2 changeovers, only 2 stops, approx $9,000, plus food & accommodation in Darwin! I may just go to Adelaide instead, 27 hours isn't so bad! 😫😂 I don't miss working in Government offices!
G'day Mate! When this video was made there was no tunnels planned under the Blue Mountains but that has since changed with the longest road tunnel in Australia, 11 kms, to go from Blackheath to Little Hartley...CHeers!
Electric Jesus (Elon Musk by another name) proposed this tunnel. I think the idea died seconds after he mentioned it.
@@steelfabric With the change of Governments at the State and Federal level, it seems the upgrade of the Great Western Highway is going ahead, but the tunnel has been deferred for 2 years. I don't know if there is a firm commitment to tunnel or not. Independent NSW MP Jeremy Buckingham proposed a tunnel under the Blue Mountains, and pitched the idea to Elon Musk. Elon probably hadn't even heard of the Blue Mountains until Buckingham contacted him.
I love utopia. So realistic unfortunately... comedy gold
It will cost 130 billion dollars .It needs 1400 km of tunnels and a 40km long tunnel under Sydney. It wouldnt be ready till 2090. Maglev is 400 billion.
The train from Adelaide to Darwin (the Ghan) is mainly a tourist train so they are probably not concerned about speed.The same applies to the East/West train (the Indian-Pacific)
From memory both lines carry more freight than humans.
Yeah, and the Indian-Pacific goes from Perth to Sydney but train fares are far more expensive than flying. The cheapest being the Gold-Twin $2475 off-peak to 3265 Sep-Nov and at the opposite end of the scale is the Platinum Sole Occupancy starting at $8000 off-peak to $10680 Sep-Nov, if you want the flexible rate then it goes as high as $11745.
@@utha2665 when you look at who the passengers are, you can see how some people, well off sure, would think this a fair price to get some respite from their elderly parents.
They are currently drilling test holes up here in the blue mountains for a tunnel from Katoomba to the Hartley Valley. They are working on widening the road between Mt Victoria through the Hartley Valley. This is a road tunnel not a rail tunnel.
The sheer distances in Australia with changes of temp and the physical problems of flooding rivers and droughts, not to mention the wildlife then you have to look at the cost.
To run a mag lev from Melbourne to brissie, imagine the sheer cost as well as several power plants to run it.
It’s almost 2000 klm.
This is why it always fails.
Rob.... the answer is scrap Canberra and relocate to West Wyalong. Then create a hub. At about 500km from both Melbourne and Sydney, also inland, at an averaged 250km/h that's 2hrs each, and Brisbane is 1000km, so 4hrs? Adelaide is the same, 1000km and 4hrs.
The Ghan and Indian Pacific trains are tourist trains they’re not meant to get you there quickly.
I cant watch Utopia, It's soooo close to reality it's not funny. Currently we are "building" a inland railway (1,700 km) from Brisbane? to Melbourne? just for freight. It's cost has blown out from $16.4b to $31b and that's just in two years. it started off at $8.4b in 2018!!!!!! Why have I put question marks behind the start and finish locations? That's because they still don't know the exact locations. Just a gentle reminder this was the pet project of the then Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce.
I think it's bizarre that an island nation that is basically all rugged mountain and other very hilly and mountainous countries with very high populations and very little actual free land have no problem implementing a high speed rail across their countries, but a very flat country like Australia with minimal populations and massive amounts of free land seems to have problems doing it...
well... we dont have high speed trains. They are building one now which cuts off about 30 mins from london to the north, but its way over budget
There is a government agency setup for this...the National Faster Rail Agency (NFRA). But I don't think it's done much.
The National Faster Rail Agency (NFRA) was abolished on 13th June 2023 and has been replaced by the High Speed Rail Authority(HSRA) which was established on 13th June 2023.
The first priority of the Authority will be planning and corridor works for the Sydney to Newcastle section of the high speed rail network, backed by a $500 million commitment from the Australian Government.
www.hsra.gov.au/
Elections coming.. just like in the episode
well it could work from Perth to Adelaide
Sounds like a great idea, but I think would not be suitable for our climate.
During summer time our rail tracks can warp due to the high temperature and I have seen
it happen and the trains have to slow right down.
I urge you to watch the top Scott maglev video he's just done. There is no contact with the track. It's incredible
@@RobReacts1 Yeah, saw that, it's impressive but it is still a concept, they have been toying with it for over 25 years.
we have more chance of making a moon landing than getting a fast rail.
did you see the ending of the swans v Port game..its very funny well worth a watch
Well I was doing a live watch along. Feel free to go watch the reply and see me celebrate... to early! :(
The jet already does 500km/h.
Plan has been around for years landing in the too hard basket with states in competition Native animals are more wary and soon learn to avoid problems aided by tunnels corridors and overhead structures Distances are normal for Australia as you should remember and Japan and UK haven't that problem Air travel is always busy and Yes an alternative would be welcome The mountain ranges between NSW and Qld border could be the financial problem
Rob, you may like to check out, the horrific story about The Childers Backpacker Fire. Different length videos on CZcams for you to choose from. I am sure you will find it of interest.
This is a comedy I know, but this is almost how everything in Australia is done. Watching our parliament is like watching a bunch ten year olds 😂🤦😁
It will probably not happen in my lifetime, but I would like to see it. Feasible? not sure. I would take it over road or plane travel.
Kangaroos are not a problem for the existing trains.
High Speed Rail between capital cities in Australia is economically infeasible and will remain so unless there are some major technological advances that reduce the cost of tunnelling by orders of magnitude. Utopia simply put together established facts.
The "National Faster Rail Agency" is a real agency, established in 2019. As well as "high speed rail", they are looking at how to make existing rail faster, which may be feasible in some cases.
The "High Speed Rail Authority Bill 2022" is in the process of being put through federal parliament, to establish something that is economically infeasible. It will probably be shut down after the next change of federal government.
Luke McGregor is SO funny. 😆😆
It won't work as it's not feasible. It will cost too much money and there won't be enough people to catch it to make any profit. If it was to stop at major towns along the way it could possibly open up more but cost of travel won't be cheap which then won't attract customers.
Luke McGregor is young in this clip
There was a proposal not that long ago to tunnel under the Blue mountains! So not that far fetched.
That is just not environmentally viable.
@@carisi2k11 I believe it was not stated whether the tunnel was for rail or for vehicles probably the forma, but was considered not financially viable long before any environmental consideration. The Swiss done have a 57 km tunnel for the same reasons under the Alps.
Considering how our actual railways work. High speed won't ever happen.
Thats why I said go watch Tom Scotts Maglev video
Having hsr to Darwin or Perth is just not feasible. It's too far to be a better option then by plane, it would cost An enormous amout to build because there isn't even electricity between Adelaide and Perth/Darwin and the population of Perth (while big) isn't big enough to justify the cost...let alone Darwin.
Would be fantastic to have but I don't see it being built for another 100 years.
high speed rail just isn't going to work. A high speed rail from Sydney to Melbourne will cost $200 billion to build in 2023 and then atleast $10 billion in subsidies each year because there just won't be enough fare recovery to make any sort of money to cover the costs. It can't run container freight or mineral and grain haulage. What we need here is targeted improvement of the existing rail lines to remove all the roundabout alignments so that freight trains and the XPT could get well under 10 hours from Sydney to Melbourne.
. Rob they spent 60 something billion
High speed internet..
n we didn't get that..
ya goofy m8te from Australia
Albo trotted it out at the last election.
I will believe it when I see it. I was watching a doco about the new UK HSR network from London to Birmingham.
ha ha ha laughing so hard... A rail track betwwen Melb city and Tullamarine airport (20k) have been discussed for the last 70 years. still waiting on it hasnt happened. a fast rail track in the bush. ha ha ha ha ha you;re killing me. ha ha ha ha who is going to use it. the wombats or echidnas
it wont happen. too expensive, too far, population too small.