Sonic LAB: Roland SE-02 Analog Mono Synth Preview
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- An overview of the Roland Boutique Designer SE-02 the first analogue Boutique made in conjunction with Studio Electronics
- using their VCO, VCA and VCF designs, with Rolands digital nowse.
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I don't know why, but the fade to black at 9:09 while Nick says "plenty of bottom end , that's for sure" made me laugh.
This thing sounds amazing. Great review as usual!
welcome back Nick, missed your awesome reviews :)
Personally I love the small format, must be easier to navigate than most of the Volcas and look how popular they are!
It makes me laugh to think how many people slate the small format whilst typing their thoughts on a smart phone keyboard :-)
Jacqui Chan so I'm guessing you typed this rant on a PC? 😂
Swearing and using phrases like "Japanese hand size" and "Hobbit synths", pretty much a rant.
Wowsers. The Volca's are a simplified scaled down synth. There's a huge difference between the on-board controls on a Volca and this thing. I hate the tiny size. It's awful. No one would ask for a synth this tiny and if they did then Roland probably shouldn't be listening to them. Also, because people use a phone to text they should be asked to control every parameter of a full synth with tiny knobs they can't see? I don't follow. Using a tiny phone (that should be as tiny as possible to fit in a pocket) is not the same as the SE-02 which is a full synth. The Boutique size is awful.
The dimensions and weight also make them portable, you can take a couple as hand luggage in an airplane easily.
lol, its not like Japanese are a midget race. I know a couple Japanese people that are 6 feet +. Any tie between it being Japanese and it's size is much more likely to do with the average Japanese apartment being small, making gear real estate a precious commodity.
I think it sounds GREAT! Good price, too! I just per-ordered the TR-08 so I will go for this next!! Great video!!
SynthgodXXX you really are a synth junky aren't you?
Amen! Forever! I love it!!!! ;)
SynthgodXXX one output.
@@SPAZZOID100 How many outputs should a monosynth have?
What an excellent little box . Even the delay is very good. Thou most people find a delay useless unless its syncd to their DAW. personally i love it , that low end was made to break teeth !
Nick Batt is the final word as far as I'm concerned with equipment reviews. He speaks about the features and benefits but does address short comings. He took the time to explain it in brief and then played some of the Presets. This is a much better demo than anything else I watched and heard. If you can deal with the small controls on this unit, its worth buying. I like the sound. It has balls!
I like the way this looks and sounds, and the feature set seems in tune with the price. If I really, really needed an analog mono-synth, I'd consider this one. Looking forward to Sonic State's more in-depth review.
Love the small format too cause some stages are small.
This thing sounds amazing (I got some amazing sounding synths already and this does sound amazing!) and the sequencer and features make me want one.
i love it, what ive been waiting for
Great review! I wish Roland would make a reasonably priced rack system that would stack the Boutiques in the most effective way. Perhaps several DK-01s designed to hold any number of Boutiques in a tier fashion. A Boutique mixer would be the cherry on top!🍨🍒
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It is a lovely sounding thing, despite the slightly frustrating format. The D comparisons are obvious, I wonder how it compares to the Studio Electronics SE-1X though..
Great shirt today. Lovely synth.
Fuck!! I want it so bad maybe a bit more than the behringer model D. Then the korg monologue. Selling my mother 32 because I never use it.
Nick given that this seems similar to the Behringer D will there be a side by side comparison at some point?
What a great idea.
thats is a great idea ...
Andrew Daffern similar but the Behringer is an actual minimoog clone. The SE-02 is not.
Yes they have difference and one is a clone but it would still be good to hear the differences in what they are capable of. I think these might be the biggest two monosynths of the next year or so.
Be good to hear the basic wave forms through the filters, great Idea.
it sounds really f'ing good!
Despite my intimidating 6'3" stature and euro/western-sized man hands and fingers, I've had no problem making music with the SE-02 for the past two weeks. I've even "hunched" over it in the studio for an entire day, and still somehow managed to eke out beautiful tones with precision. Guess I'm simply exceptional -- except I'm not, and this hobbit/midget/small-Japanese stuff is bull, likely from people still waiting for a certain knockoff synth that doesn't have half these features.
I agree - I get lost making rad sounds on this thing and the size of it never even occurs to me, it just sounds so huge. But people gotta gripe about something no matter what, I guess.
+Robert Saint John - Well I'm glad to here that, because I have no frame of reference when it comes to using such small knobs. I can't wait to try it out myself!
Do the knobs feel cheap and wobbly or is that aspect overhyped? I have a Roland D05. Great sound, but it really feels like a cheap toy.
At 0:12 I'm already in love with this thing.
Can this be used with the D-05, to use the filters and mods with the sequencer to affect the D05? And i am also wondering if there is much possibility for a finesse with the filters, or are they so wide and cheap?
I love mine deeply. Like a missing link I had always yearned for and then finally arrived. Huge. As far as fingers and small knobs - if you can't handle the small size then definitely stay away from stringed instruments. So much easier to manipulate these knobs than working with traditional instruments
Fooking amazing sounding! What a time we live in. It wasn't long ago everyone was excited about the Mopho module. This thing is light hears ahead of that. I know its small, and no VCA velocity is a bummer, but damn. And it comes with fx?
I have a Mopho Desktop (module) and I think it's excellent. The modulation possibilities are a LOT more sophisticated than on the SE-02.
For example, I can map velocity, MOD, and any CC I chose to control three different envelopes - VCA, filter and a third, assignable one, and/or other things like LFO amounts.
It's the only digitally controlled analog synth I'm aware of that has that degree of sophistication - certainly, in my price bracket. It has space for 384 patches too... and a built in sequencer.
I wouldn't part with my Mopho. It doesn't mean I'm not interested in getting another synth though. I'm attracted to the more hands-on, knobby nature of synths like the Roland SE-02, Behringer Model D, Korg Minilogue... the MFB Dominion Club has now been added to my list, thanks to the comments here too :)
I can make my Mopho more knobby with a better MIDI controller, of course. There are quite a lot of knobs that can be added though. The same goes for the SE-02, and the MFB Dominion Club.
Now my need for Nick to review the MFB Dominion Club grows!
i wub this review!
hiltonius I totally wub it too! Can't wait to get this thing
So yes, I have a question concerning sequencer of SE-02. Can we make with this any gated ratchets (repeats) like Mother-32 or Intellijel Metropolis?
I think SE may have been around for close to 30 years, first remember seeing a MidiMoog circa 1990. This sounds great, and looks a bit like the original MidiMoogs. Please keep an ear out for stepping in the full review, there's one demo on here (a comparison with the Monologue) where the stepping sounded pretty bad when the resonance control was swept.
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It seems to be capable of some nice sounds but saying that it also seems to lean towards the clangy on a lot of sounds. It seems every time you turn a knob it tends to give you this clangorous tone. Or at least it goes in that territory pretty quickly. Good example of what I'm talking about is when Nick starts tweaking the basic bass patch (around 12:05). I like the basic patch and I like it when he adds the second oscillator slightly detuned but going further immediately goes into that clangy territory.
It's way too big for me. I'm 3 years old and i can't even fit it into the pocket of my pants.
I guess i'll have to wait for the Roland/Korg collaboration. I heard rumours about a tiny Volcaboutique line with new ultraminijacks.
Does it have a knob latch mode? When you moved the XMOD knob around the 8 minute mark, the jump was really jarring, a latch mode would really help with that. I guess that's one thing they could add with firmware updates.
Yeah, I love this thing but that particular (lacking) feature drives me nuts. I'm so used to that type of knob behavior with other synths.
How does having memories work with those panel switches (sync, key track for example)? A little like the Korg PS3200 and its patch cords, the last time I checked you can't dynamically remember physical objects 🙂
They are stored to
They use digital pots. I.e. the actual control is a chip that behaves like a potentiometer, but is controlled digitally - the CPU sends a binary control word to each digi-pot when you turn a knob, or when you recall a preset.
It's like fly by wire - or, more worryingly, drive by wire - you don't actually have the joystick or steering wheel in your hand, you have an interface to a computer that does the actual steering. Only, in this case, it's only a synthesizer, so you're relatively safe when it goes wrong (there's always the small chance of a sonic attack / sound that could kill someone scenario, I guess).
My Dave Smith Industries Mopho Desktop works the same way, except it doesn't have nearly as many knobs, so it mostly has to be programmed from an editor running on a computer - or from a really elaborate MIDI controller.
What a tease! Sounds amazing, tho.
Is it just me, or is this the best sounding thing with a roland tag on it, in a very very very long time!?!?
Samuel Christensen system-8
it is, because Studio Electronics made it and Roland just slapped their logo on it
@@Mannex17 Incorrect. czcams.com/video/zYLloIcu7us/video.html
Just you
Is this a good choice for a beginner? Or should I look to the Behringer Pro-1?
Is the USB/midi compatible with an iPad? For some reason it isn't on my jx 03, hopefully this is different.
Love your videos. Please use a controller with a modwheel for the full review.
These were a $100.00 off on Black Friday in the USA in November 2018. Hopefully they will be again and I will pick one up.
Ive never wanted Mono-synth but jeez I'm tempted but this one. I like the model d but the lack of memories is a deal breaker. I'm surprised so much negativity is made of the form factor of this ( I don't mind it at all but like many people I have very limited space). it sounds very, very good, its well made and its affordable....not sure why anything else matters if you're after a mono?
Pizza Gogo memories are not essential for a monosynth.
Not to you maybe, are to me!
+Pizza Gogo, FWIW, if you can MIDI control every parameter of a synth, there's a way to save patches yourself - it's not a convenient way though :) I'm not sure if that applies to the Behringer D.
I can do it with my Volca Keys, all except for the Resonance knob, which doesn't have a MIDI controller - it's just a physical pot in the feedback path of the filter, so I have to note the position by hand (using the "o'clock" system that guitarists favour). There are 14 or 15 other values (I forget the exact number, off hand) that I can send from a MIDI controller, so I can also write down the values.
On my Korg MicroKontrol 37 MIDI controller, I can see the values on the built in displays - either as I set them, or by turning the knob by one click, then back again. On any other controller, I could route it via my PC (usually with a USB-MIDI interface) through MIDI-OX, which shows a stream of CC values as you turn a knob. Same principle - turn the knob one click, if you need to, or if it's a pot without clicks, turn it just enough to register a change, by sending a value through MIDI-OX.
MIDI-OX takes a bit of getting used to, but it works well and it's free.
You may slightly alter the values in changing them, but it's usually close enough. You can put a patch back in, close enough, then fiddle with the knobs until you're happy.
You have to write it all down, of course. I've used a spreadsheet, but a notebook and pen works too, and I guess feels a lot more authentic :)
Ordered last week. The patch memory and Studio Electronics pedigree easily won out over the larger knobs of the Behringer D. Plus I'm still smarting from a negative GC experience with the DM12. Thanks for the preview.
G patch memory and a sequencer on a mono are not essential.
The number of voices available in a given synth has no bearing on the usefulness of patch memory. I use analog synths in my project studio, the job of recreating patches is huge time waster and workflow killer.
James Reeno very useful for live though, as are the parameters per step and (though I may be mistaken) 64(?) step sequencing on this one.
I came to the same conclusion. I just got mine from musicians friend and have zero buyers remorse. This synth sounds amazing. You're basically getting a studio electronics synth for $499. If you don't like the tiny knobs you can map the whole synth to a midi controller.
Actually the sequencer is only 16 steps, which is kind of nuts, but you can string them together in the "song mode". But there is parameter per step which is pretty killer.
Can you set up MIDI OUT to work as THRU?
Could it play paraphonically? Could modulation be assigned to delay parameters?
Sadly not to either question
if I had the Time to play around with these things !
Can anything other than Note: ON/OFF be controlled via MIDI?
Yes. Quite a lot of parameters can be controlled by MIDI - basically all you see, plus some without phsyical knobs, I think. There's a pretty crappy manual, by Roland, but a useful MIDI spec chart (on their website), plus a much better manual written by Sunshine Jones:
sunshine-jones.com/roland-boutiquestudio-electronics-se-02-the-missing-manual/
Around 3:50, Nick mentions that some 'modern analogue synths' don't have the problem with the bottom-end disappearing when you increase resonance. I'm in the market for a decent analogue synth, and that short-coming feels like something I'd like to avoid in whatever I buy (though not a complete deal-breaker).
Which synths was he talking about (which compensate)?
Im pretty sure the synths with ladder filters have compensation. If you don't like a filter on a particular synth you can always get a dedicated filter module like Waldorf 2-pole ,Sherman filter bank. I don't know if you are into modular but thats like filter heaven.
Several of these modern synths at this level have either a Boost button or a knob to gain the low-end shelf. Sorry but I don't have a list with the synths but a little time on the inter-tubes and you'll have a few in mind.
Thanks for responding, both.
Heathcliff… I'll take a look at synths with ladder filters. I'm pretty new on synthesis and, while I love those long meandering soundscapes on channels like seb17320, modular seems a little hardcore to me right now. I was considering grabbing a Mother 32 though to dip my toe in the modular waters (though that reportedly suffers quite badly from the low-end drop-off issues). (I'll likely grab a Minitaur, which reportedly suffers less, being more low-end oriented.) Thanks.
Eric… I previously did a quick look based on Nick's use of the phrase 'gain compensation', but that search only threw up vintage results like OBX. I'll try again with some of the terms you've used. Thanks.
Sounds wicked, don't care about it being boutique size, already got one booked 🙂
Nick always gives me such gas.
Sounds good and the sequencing is good stuff. The big win for me is the analogue pathing. I'm a bit trad that way. The downsider is the diminutive real estate. micro-studio / DJ folks might like this but I'm not a fan. I might just wait out the availability of the Behringer Model D.
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Nick, when are you getting the Rev 2 to review?
Good question, I have asked many times.
Lee Cox apparently Dave Smith doesn't understand the musical and cultural impact of Sonicstate.
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Feel Free to come and use my REV2 for a review
if you were closer to LA id send you my 16 voice...
size indeed matters: difficult to make symbiosis with this format But it DOES have THE sounds, I must say
Wow. Baby Got Back... Sounds great to me.
A Minnie-Me Mini-Moog ! How cool is that !
Got a question: could I polychain this synth?
yep
Wingo shackelford and John smith: funny how I have not expressed any anger whatsoever but you both keep saying I'm "ranting" or "butt hurt" or I have "rage"....Why should I? I haven't and won't spend my money on one of these things for the reasons I've already mentioned plus the fact that I have been collecting analog synths since 1979 with my first minimoog and have many others and certainly don't need it. This is a place for commentary and that's all I have done was give my opinion on the unit just like everybody else. If you weren't so insecure about the unit you would not be so persistent about defending it.
384 presets and 128 user patches seems backwards. Should be 128\384.
worth twice the price of the monologue?
Although the SE-02 has much more sound possibilities I got the monologue.
Sounds also great but is much more fun to create sounds not only for baby hands...
Hate how tiny these are. It sounds decent for what it is. Patch memory is a plus, wish my Model D had memory storage.
synthartist69 minimoog needs no patch storage.
That's ur opinion, not mine. That's a stupid comment for you to make, as if ur needs are all that matter. There are more than enough Model D's out there without patch storage if that is what you want. Your needs, and my needs and needs of others are different. Just because you say "it doesn't need patch storage" does not mean that some of us do not need a Model D with patch storage. When I create a patch, I want to save it instead of wasting time trying to recreate it again. And if your argument that a model d is meant to explore by turning knobs then maybe you are a knob tweaker, probably not someone who actually plays, I don't know, I am baffled by your reasoning. I need instant recall of my patches. I am not into tweaking knobs all day long, I am into playing music and I like the sound of the Model D. Not sure if that makes sense to you, but it makes a lot of sense to me.
synthartist69 no need to get feisty sir
When will Roland release a patch or update to allow more than 4 notes at a time???????????
+xTroop18546x never I would think. This is an analog monosynth. Perhaps you mean one of the other boutiques?
xTroop18546x this is monophonic
The Edge Of Feedback
If only they`d have made this the same kinda size as the Behringer Model D, small but not tiny . . . if only . . . . . ..
will this connect to mx-1 via usb?
so it will :)
What I don't like is that it seems as soon as you barely touch a knob it goes harsh.
It's because there is a jump of value between the preset and the actual knob value.
In manual mode, the sound corresponds exactly to the knobs position, so you don't have such jumps.
Nick really likes to play with knobs. If something has been established throughout the history of Sonic Lab, I think it's that.
On topic: I'll probably veer into the Behringer one. Have to nick it from a shop nearby.
Ill wait for the Behringer clone.
I've been saving for an Erebus but this might have turned my head
Kevin Wyers erebus sounds more vintage.
Analogue monster
5:08... barely touches the knob and it's wobbling all over the place. Yikes. (Roland by Fisher-Price).
Yikes indeed, really bad quality control, such a shame.
I don't think it's quality control, I think it's exactly as designed, a cheap toy made to last 6 months. Small cheap-ass 9mm pots, no bushing, no panel nuts, nothing,.. saves money, hits price point, but breaks in 6 months, but who cares because by then you'll have forgot about your toy and be buying the boutique TB-0303
That's my main concern. If the pots are soldered directly to the PCB, as I'm sure they are, and SMD rather than through-hole (ditto), then any flexing means flexing solder joints... Really quite worrying.
I use the sh0a and find that it has good sliders and buttons..
Funny, but to me it sounds a bit more like a Moog Modular than a Minimoog. Hope to own one soon.
I'm mad the SH-01A isn't a clone of the Roland SH 101. I wanted to be able to Have a modern version of it that could act as a keytar just the original could.
Chris Garner price point.
That’s exactly what it is. They added some new features but otherwise it’s an SH-101 in a smaller form factor.
Was very excited to try this but overall actually not thrilled. Aside from the very hard to turn clicky knobs, the notes on mine get stuck and will hold or randomly fire when on manual mode. Tuning is all over the place and I haven't even touched the LFO. Very unpredictable. I've tinkered with a few analog-style synths and have a basic idea of what I'm doing but this thing made me feel like a complete idiot thinking I was missing something. Firmware update made it even worse. Tried it with 2 different controllers and same results. It's going back to the store...Stick with my S1 tweak, far superior device for less than half the cost.
Come on Behringer, get ya act together !! Get the 'D' in stores !! Don't make me buy this :/)
kvfive Buy both. I definitlty would . The 2 could then fight for my love in the studio before i decided to kick one to the curb.
Adamski Ajull I could sneak one into the studio without the mrs noticing... but two and I'm busted :-)
kvfive Hmmm ok ... Plan B , she buys you one as a present . All joking beside , i hear ya bro on that one .
gc center just dropped the d preorders
Sco B £235 wow !!
Nice... unfortunately “monstorous bottom end” sounds very distorted via YT and computer speakers.
I just wonder, why Videos like this, which are (quite fine, of course) appetizers for products, in general very big and very long ads, additionally are monetarized by commercials. I think nobody expects ads within ads. It is kind of counterproductive here, at least for me. Though I am fine with the YT way of inserting ads (only for four seconds until I can skip it), but just not when I watch product announcements etcetera.
Lol okay this isn’t an ad, though. And when you monetize your videos you don’t really control what videos have what ads.
How do the oscillators compare sound wise with those on a Sub37?
Sounds great. It's to bad the interface is so cheap. Still pretty cool
Beefy. I want to here some more
why ADS and not ADSR? ...sometimes i can't understand decisions like this. I now in the analog domain every add push up the price, ok, but how much if they just added the release? 50$ more on final price? ?? i think even more and i bet everyone would have with that fukin R knob!
It's this weird thing where you flip the switch and the D becomes an R. Kind of strange but pretty usable IMHO.
ADS with release switch is from minimoog from which Studio Electronics "has experience with"???? Answer question??? This thing would be adding seq and patch memory to model D from Behringer kind of??? A very Moog inspired synth.... The patch memory will come at the cost of audio purity though...The D may sound better in some ways....Any continuous controller has to be voltage controlled to be saved and recalled...For instance, in the mixer, it will require VCAs rather than plain old potentiometers... VCAs in the rest of the pro audio world are a sin... They are not pure audio amplifiers...Since mini clone would only have one...It will probably have "that sound". You won't noticed the difference in the bass, it's in the brightness and transparency.... A vintage minimoog has octaves more treble response than a voyager...The voyager sounds dull.... The loss of treble is related to the poor THD and phase distortion of VCAs... As distortion occurs, the phase alignment that keeps the structure of the highest harmonics in tact is compromised and you get dull smeared sounding, doodoo!!!
Cool.
Keith Fisher,
Google digi-pot / digipot or digital potentiometer. That's how this sort of thing is normally done.
The ones I've briefly played with have 257 steps (oddly - they have a 9 bit interface, but so far only 257 values... one more than an 8 bit one could have). It's possible to use one as a master and one as a fine tune, to give more precision, but 257 steps is not a bad start.
As for the bass loss, increasing resonance increases the Q of the filter - which means how tight it is around the centre frequency. Some filters are designed to be more or less flat below the peaked part, but some (Minimoog and presumably this one) are more of a bell shaped curve around a centre frequency (set by the Cut Off knob), so you get gain at the "cut off" frequency, attenuation above it, but also some attenuation below. If you made a purely passive filter, with capacitors and inductors, that's what you'd get.
If they were aiming for a faithful clone of a Minimoog, with some enhancements, it's going to have inherited some of the same quirks.
TooSlowTube
I know all about digital pots....They typically have no better than 90db signal to noise ratios.... A consumery product for consumer usage. VCA'S will have better S/N ratios but phase distortion....
In this case....I hear a VCA in usage.... I hear phase smear in the Roland as well as Phattys and Voyagers.... There is a lack of intensity to the sound, or like it is smothered. There is no other probable cause to me... I have no idea on the Roland yet, but with the need to modulate as required for wave modulation and continuously variable waveforms on the Moog, I would suspect VCAs... 256 steps is only a slight improvement upon midi's 7 bit 128 step.... My Korg Monologue has 10 bit parameters which have zero stepping at 1024 steps....A VCA has a continuous DC input and therefore is only limited to the bit depth of digital CV it is sent.... In a true mixer, this resolution is not critical as a mixer is not usually a mod destination.. If the waveshape/mixer are combined into a single circuit which is what likely happens on the Moogs, then high resolution would be needed. And I personally think the Mother 32 and Minitaur sound more faithful to the old Moog stuff than the Phattys and Voyager.... The M32 and Minitaur do not feature this type of wave mod/shaping... A switch and a Saw or Square.
I am not saying digital pots aren't used....and I am not saying that VCAs aren't sometimes a necessary evil.... I am saying, the more junk you put into the signal path...The more tone you are robbed of.
Honestly I want this and the behringer.
They're both sound great and are so inexpensive.
Does this synth come with tweezers and a magnifying glass? I have nothing against tiny renditions of synths but come on...
I have an answer for that one, but it's not suitable for family viewing :)
Sounds pretty cool. The filters sound good.....but that build quality, YUCK! 1/8 inch audio outs, c'mon!
Jeff Jenkins agreed.
Digital knobs kill it for me . I have so many experiences with those dying . Electrix gear for example rendered useless because of a pot failing
It doesn't sound like a Roland vintage analog piece.
Station 2Station not designed by roland.
Its only now bedroom guys can get their hands on propper synths. Small yea that suits a bed room. Its win win
The behringer D looks better in the hands on tweakability department
It really seems like the Behringer D is the better choice.
Not gonna lie, it is absolutely amazing how Minimoog this thing sounds, and for $500? Patch storage? Sequencer? GTFOH!!!
I’d rather give my money to Studio Electronics any day over Behringer, who is attempting to undercut the entire analog market, and squeeze out boutique manufacturers like DSI, SE, Dreadbox, and many others. Hell no! I’ll admit the Deepmind sounds good, but let’s keep it real synth heads. If you want innovation, if you want the manufacturers to keep making new and interesting synths, vote with your money, remembering that it’s not just about YOUR pocket book.
Behringer model d eat this thing for breakfast
SE-02? Behringer D? MFB Club? Minibrutes, SEMs... but which to chose? Hopefully the upcoming review will help us get an idea. Great video Nick, can’t wait.
Drop links in here for the MFB when you have them plz. From what (little) I've heard so far it sounds wicked.
Was just name dropping them :/, don't have any of them. I too hope I can get a hold of one one day... Hopefully we can hear of it more soon
Literally the very first thing that occurred to me when I played the SE-02 was "Welp, my Microbrute is useless now", ha
Joseph //,
Short but sweet: czcams.com/video/u7St8hi37To/video.html (a couple of others by the same guy, and maybe more to come).
From the MIDI spec chart (and temporary OCD) I see 53 CC controllable parameters, 22 of which have Fine control (i.e. split over two 7 bit values, as two separate CCs), and 29 physical knobs - not all of which are for CCs.
There are more parameters than the SE-02 has knobs for too... I haven't looked into that properly.
Noisy background, and harder to follow: czcams.com/video/OzRntN_pByI/video.html
Worth a look / skip through (just an unboxing, but quite informative) :
czcams.com/video/6ggI_USpLxg/video.html
Peter Hager, what's an SEM? Somebody Else's Minimoog?
TooSlowTube Synthesizer Expander Module, precursor for everything Oberheim and the creamiest/brassiest mono ever.
I’ve owned my SE02 for 3 years.
I just don’t like the sound. Sorry. It’s always just 85% there then meh.
I prefer using the SH-01a & the JU-06a.
all this mini factor and the plastic build does no justice to the sound, shame Roland has gone into this sort of toy like aesthetics, otherwise would they release proper solid instruments that would take a beating they would be seen as classics in 10 years time, like this they'll just end up in the storage box along with all the other rubbish one unnecessarily buys all the time. it even makes me more angry that this sounds so superb. great demo though
Top case is metal. It's very sturdy.
spacezignul yeah that cheap plastic tb303 will come to nothing.
Sounds so great, unfortunately for baby hands....
It's got a nice character for sure. Nice bottom end, rich. D is way cheaper and has normal sized controls though, so I guess it's a more sensible buy. Either way, there are plenty of new analog monosynths to buy today, it's great, as long as you got some spare cash lol.
It does have some amazing bottom end that is lacking on the Behringer D, but still, it's almost twice the price.
Patch memory vs none. Trying to recreate (not to mention remember) patches is such an inefficient use of time that I don't mind paying more for the SE-02.
One does not *re*create on a Minimoog: one creates. That's why it has no memory.
G patch memory is not essential on a mono synth.
@@SPAZZOID100 Disagree. You don’t need it on a simple synth like a TB-303, but for something like this it’s incredibly useful. Even the SH-01A benefits greatly from being able to save patches (where the original couldn’t).
So to make a long story on the internet short: the sound is great but the form factor sucks. Hmmmmm. Sounds like we might have to wait for Uli Behringer's version after all before making the choice between this Minimoog clone and Uli's.
Sounds great, looks painful.
Is the delay analogic ?
"plus a digital delay" -Nick
The delay is digital - says so on the web site: "Tempo-syncing digital delay with bypass to maintain analog signal path" - www.roland.com/global/products/se-02/
odditonic that s a shame
+Vegetto Blue
Keeps the price down, and you can still use an external unit, right?
Matt Smith keep s the price down ? 499 euro is not cheap fam
that's so small for my hands……
Whats the point of something as crude as this in 2017? If you want retro buy an old synth.
boltar2003 it's cheaper.
If you don’t understand, move along.
I like everything except for the awful micro-usb jack. The should have used type B.
is this suppose to be a joke? :D
Mox Coz micro USB breaks too easy. All my Android phones eventually failed because if it.
Heathcliff hmm now I get ur point :) yes I know that it moves, I have nexus 7 and an Samsung phone, it's moving around.. My friend is having problem with charging devices with it.. But this type B is also moving to me, maybe i haven't had that for such a long time to discuss type B but I remember I had some unit around which had type B but was very tight I was surprised, quite hard to get in but stays so stable. It depends
Agreed, Heathcliff. The mini B USB socket is plenty small enough, and a lot more robust than the micro sort. I expect phone manufacturers love them because it's another reason for a phone to need replacing with a newer one.
As Mox Coz said, I've had problems with full sized B sockets too. There's a Woody Piano Shack video where he shows one that had been broken away from the board, on an Arturia Keylab (or some such).
I've had them break internally too, on Arduino clones. I think the plug just gets to have too much leverage, and most sockets are only surface mount soldered onto the PCB, so it's quite easy to break one off.
You need tweezers to tweak this. No thanks!
No hate to Korg, but this thing blows the mono/mini out of the water...