Who is WR2: Malik Nabers or Rome Odunze? | PFF
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- PFF's Steve Palazzolo and Sam Monson discuss who they think is WR2 Rome Odunze or Malik Nabers.
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Separation numbers: (stop basing scouting on a handful of highlight reels)
3.54- Xavier Worthy
3.25- Ricky Pearsall
3.03- Xavier Leggette
3.00- AD Mitchell
2.86- Rome Odunze
2.72- Marvin Harrison Jr.
2.59- Malik Nabers
2.58- Brian Thomas Jr
2.26- Keon Coleman
Rome got better separation than both Napiers and MHJ, his highlights are full of contested catches cuz those are the best for highlights, people act like experts with no ball knowledge just watching a 2 min reel
Bears should draft Rome and then he can work with Keenan and DJ Moore on his route running. No ones better to teach him that’s currently in the league
As a Bears fan I'd be happy with any of them. As it is, I'm thrilled to have Odunze!
Separation average in cfb last year:
3.54- Xavier Worthy
3.25- Ricky Pearsall
3.03- Xavier Leggette
3.00- AD Mitchell
2.86- Rome Odunze
2.72- Marvin Harrison Jr.
2.59- Malik Nabers
2.58- Brian Thomas Jr
2.26- Keon Coleman
All i know is Rome played against Jaylon Johnson, Christian Gonzalez,Jack Jones and lined up against trent Mcduffie in college practices and played against all-pros in college
Sir, Jaylon Johnson has been in the league for 4 years (drafted in 2020). Odunze didn't even start college until fall of 2020. They never faced each other.
@@ryansmith290 sir, it still doesn’t take away from my point, do you want me to throw in Clark phillips ???… the Pac-12 is producing sooo many talented CB’s…. Rome is battle tested, played against REAL comp
Lol at "if Odunze, make it to the Jets at #10". No waaaay, the Bears pass on him, if he's still there at #9. Jets would need a trade up.
As a Packer fan, I HOPE the Bears draft Odunze. It would be the typical bonehead move the Bears are known for.
Well, this aged like wine
MH & Nabers are likely better between the 20s, but Odunze will probably be the best RZ and EZ target in this class. And I don't think it's close. So if you want to move up the field and get big plays? MH & Nabers are your guys. If you want to score TDs in the RZ, Odunze will likely be leaps and bounds better.
You can get big plays by Rome mossing dudes 45 yards down the field
Im gonna go on a limb and say hes at best a #2 wr in the NFL. I dont see enough speed or separation. seems more of a contested catch possession wr. I think he should be drafted in 2nd - 3rd realistically. Keon Coleman is similar player who runs a 4.6 and i see Coleman with more separation and hes borderline 1st rd guy who prob is better place in rd 2. I would draft Nabers, Harrison, Thomas, and Leggette over Odunze in a second
@@pauliej345 He runs a sub 4.4 40 at 6'3 212. That's elite for his size. I was skeptical until we drafted him but I'm anymore. All around good at everything and elite at splash plays, contested catches, and route running. The WR1 in most drafts will be really good with the potential to be elite.
@michaelehaddad2659 he ran 4.45 at his pro day where guys usually run better then the combine. He just doesn't separate well at all. I do think with Moore , Allen, and Kmet he's in a good place to get a lot of 1on1s with smaller nickel corners which should help his game until he learns to run routes better
Malik Nabers is the WR1 in this draft. His career in the NFL will be even better.
I think he will fill the void in NY that OBJ left there and has yet to be filled since.
Nabers wins at all 3 levels and even utilizes his speed with YAC, he’s still learning how to shake defenders with his route running, he has a chance to be the best out of the 3
Ad Mitchell is better than nabers and nabers is much better than Rome
ad mitchell is a bum
Nabers can't play outside though.
@@dewanewelch1744 he definitely can play outside, he can play inside and outside with his speed
I would love to see a point by point side by side comparison between Harrison and Odunze. I honestly don't think there is much that Harrison is objectively better at than Odunze. Similar size, speed, athleticism, ball tracking, yac, etc.
Harrison is better at all of it by a considerable margin tbh
@@LC-ue1jhwhat do you mean by all of it if they are same age, size, comparable athletes and similar production?
@@RKGrizzHarrison is better speed athleticism ball tracking and yac also he's got more size he's 6'4 vs 6'3 quite literally at everything ur comment was just wrong which was weird
@@LC-ue1jh Harrison isn't 6'4 though... and Odunze has a 9.92 RAS which is basically as good as it gets.
@@RKGrizz Harrison is 6'4
Nabors is the better player. And Chris Simms is wrong most of the time. He said that Zach Wilson would be better than Trevor Lawrence!
No. He is right more often.
Simms 2022 wr rankings were terrible. He had Jamo and Christian Watson 1 & 2 ahead of Olave at #5 and didn't have Garrett Wilson even in his top 5 😂
I remember last season when he ranked the edge rushers. He ranked Will Anderson Jr. as the 5th Best. Kid ended up being the defensive rookie the year.
He said Christine Michael is a probowler😂
We're all about to find out if the falcons are capable of drafting a defensive player in the first round. tbh wouldn't be mad if they took odunze here
Malik Nabers is WR1
Nabers is probably more dynamic, but as a Bears fan I want Odunze. He feels like a more "foundational" WR.
Adonai Mitchell is better than both of them
Odunze is likely a better compliment to dj moore as well
@@timregalado1677yes nabers plays a lot like moore
I see it like Nabers gets you big plays(Odell), Odunze gets you 1st downs(Fitz)
Opposite?
I’m drafting both MHJ and Nabers in dynasty this year
Anyone with eyeballs knows it's Malik Nabers but Nabers character concerns make it more of a conversation. In this day and age, the media wont say it's a character concern though. You have the Giants at 6 who have the Plaxico situation, OBJ shenanigans, DeAndre Baker, Toney. The media doesnt want us to be surprised when the Giants finally get wise to avoid problem people.
I haven't heard anything about his character. What isn't being said that we should know.
@@magmax76 google his arrests
What character problem?
@@joserentas8294got caught with an illegal firearm
If Nabers is sitting there at 6 giants taking him
Odunzes game will translate and have a better shelf life.
These dudes are hilarious
they just copied what steve smith said a few weeks ago
Nabers shakes 👇
THEN HE BAKES !!!! SHAKE & BAKE !!! GET SOME !!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Why is all the talk about separation when there are numerous ways WRs could be useful and good in the nfl. Like leap into the air to take the ball out of the sky in the back corner of the end zone is just as important today, or no?
Isnt that a way that Odunze could translate into the nfl quite easily?
Guess it is just me thinking of other ways a wr can be dominant besides speed or separation and seeing that in Odunze
I think he will be pretty good out of the gates and also has room to improve.
I think certain teams would benefit from Nabers more. And vice versa
The Giants have a very short nfl wr room imo. They have basically a 6 ft room that isn't about going up and getting contested big catches. And probably won't have a qb that can zip that it into the extra yard of separation window for an easy completion. That team would benefit from Odunze more imo.
At the end of the day, any team that gets to draft the top 3 of MHJ Nabers Odunze, will be ecstatic
It is fair to say that Odunze's absence of stellar separation could get him to fall into the teens a little bit. I find it hard to believe there's 3 teams inside the top 10 willing to use their pick on a WR. Odunze is the clear odd man out because contested catch guys who have separation concerns historically have bigger bust potential. I like Odunze, but he needs to turn his concern into a strength. I know he can separate and has all the cutting ability to be a great route runner, but I think he plays a little too finesse for his size with a, as you said, fairly basic understanding of route running. I want to see him use his hands more to create separation during routes. He currently only uses his hands to separate at the last second. You have to constantly manage the DBs hands or he'll be there grabbing all game long. He let's DBs hand guard and anchor onto him without contest. He runs routes like he's a 4.3 guy, when he's just a 4.45 guy. Give him some Michael Thomas and Demaryius Thomas tape and let him grow into playing bigger on his routes. Those guys never let DBs put hands on them without a fight. RIP to a legend.
How tall are these two guys Milton
odunze is almost 6,4 nabers is 6’0
Odunze disrespect is wild. His route running is phenomenal and 4.45 is plenty fast enough for ANY wr in the NFL. ALSO BIGGER AND STRONGER than nabers or Harrison.
No disrespect to Rome, but phenomenal is STRETCH lol.
His game play speed is faster than his 40 time would have you think. He's an extremely smooth athlete as well.
His route running sucks. Gets no separation
His route running is not that good idk what you’re seeing
I really like Odunze as a prospect but his route running is not phenomenal and he doesn’t get separation. He’s got amazing hands and body control for contested catch situations.
I don’t think it’s a good idea, but I really would love if the Lions moved up to take a top 3 WR.
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Odunze is the most complete WR in a longggggg time. Longer, faster, skinnier Larry Fitzgerald or if JaMarr Chase was 6’3
Well speed dose help six foot he needs speed milt
DJ Moore WR 1 Rome WR2 KAllen slot
nabers is electric it's hard to pass on that game breaking ability
I think LSU receivers are doing just fine in the NFL
Nabers for me! Cos I’ve seen a lot of LSU games than Wash games to know he’s a legit going to be a star WR in the NFL! But Rome has game too.🤙🏾
Giants drafting Odunze 1st round Penix 2nd round or trade back into the 1st to get Penix
Marv is 2. NABORS IS WR1.
Nabers!
Silly discussion. Nabers is WR1, and any team that drafts Harrison over Nabers will regret it.
While true, you quite simply can’t draft Nabers over MHJ. With the consensus around MHJ, if he flops, it’s just bad luck. If you take Nabers at WR1, and he flops, the ridicule you’ll face for being an idiot will ruin you as a GM forever.
Rome for sure. He played in an nfl pro offense and his game translates more to the nfl. Doesn’t run by every single defender (which you never will in the nfl unless your Tyreek) and is still effective
It's impossible to say who will be better... But Rome played in the Pac-12. Doesn't touch the SEC. Nabers created space against better defenses. Rome is going to be an excellent possession receiver. But you still need to create space at the next level
Heres my comp for them
Nabers = taller steve smith sr.
Rome = faster deandre hopkins
Horrible comparisons lmfao
Odunze….no twitch. Lots of contested catches. Can’t get separation= no YAC.
Giants motto is smart, tough, dependable that is odunze. Nabers and mhj have a hint of diva so if you don’t get them there numbers you will hear about it. I would be happy with any of them just saying.
And I’ll tell you rn daboll prefers WR who are fast and seperate over contested catch receivers who rely on catch radius, if you give daboll and schoen the option of the 3 they’re going to pick nabers everytime
Nabers is the best of the 3. Are you people blind???
1.Nabers
2. MHJ
3. Brian Thomas Jr
1. Nabers
2. MHJ
3. Thomas jr.
4. Odunze
Boy you smoking putting Thomas jr ahead of Odunze
Thomas is the worst receiver in draft
@@AstroStonerAdonai Mitchell Ladd worthy and many others are better than Brian thomas
Odunze isnt even the 3rd best receiver in this class. I'm taking MHJ, Nabers, or BTJ over him and I wouldnt take Odunze in the first round at all. Separation is king in the nfl. Odunze is Nkeal Harry 2.0.
This screams "I don't know ball. I just watch highlights."
@@InvalidUsername2113 And your comment screams "i have no argument but I'll talk shit anyways cuz im a fanboy and i just cant help myself"
@@williamhermann6635 lol no. That's you projecting. Check Rome's route tree success compare it to the others you mentioned then get back to me. Check out his average separation compared to the others you mentioned then get back to me. Check, yards, tds, contested catch rate, success versus 1 on 1 man then get back to me and let me know if I don't have a argument, friend. You're completely entitled to your opinion...but your opinion is wrong and seems not very evidenced based.
@@InvalidUsername2113Act like dickhead, get treated like one
@@InvalidUsername2113bro never came back 😂
WR2??? Nabers is quite possibly WR1. Just go watch the film on Nabers from this past season...there is your proof right there.
Harrison is NFL ready. Nabers still has a few things to learn. Also MHJ faced more double teams. He always had a safety bracketing over him.