Quick Stop 115: LEWIS + MAX ARE A STEP ABOVE EVERYONE, WHO WINS IN EQUAL MACHINERY? w/
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- Welcome to the Quick Stop F1 Podcast. This week Nyasha is joined by the hardest working F1 orator in the game, CameronF1, to break down just why Lewis Hamilton’s Silverstone win was one for the ages. The conversation then turns to Max Verstappen’s performance this season before a heated discussion on whether Max’s use of the dark arts taints his legacy in F1…
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Ultimately, we just saw Drake vs Kendrick, and thats how I see Max and Lewis, Max is an industry plant, obviously talented but the rules and bias is for him no matter what, he gets slap on the wrists where others get punished, he literally had a race director change the rules on the fly to steal a championship from Lewis. So for Max fans, yeah, he is good, but he is a legacy silver spooned who the whole of the industry have bent over backwards to facilitate his success. Lewis has had to actually ice skate uphill and does it with a smile, and grace.
This is such a great analogy, I love it.
BIG BIG B I G FACTS !! INFACT THE BEST COMMENT IVE SEEN YET
Great way of putting it
Love this. "Legacy Silver spooned who the whole industry have bent over backwards to facilitate his success." I feel this. Its not just emotions but also factual to a large degree. When has he faced actual adversity like Lewis has when going for championships? The one time he did, the industry parted ways like moses so he could win. There are levels to this and Lewis has earned his status, because everything has been earned not given.
100% and that is why I do not see Max as that great. If someone did to Max what he does to other drivers, he would quit. Remember what he said about 2021 and how intense it was...
For Max to be equal, he would need to learn to race wheel-to-wheel.
Umm say that to Hamilton 😂
Wanna check the facts? Hamilton driving into other drivers every other 3rd race...no tell me, excluding austria, when has Verstappen drove into somebody else? Because I can tell you a lot of times Hamilton did that the last 3 years.
And then beat ALL of LH'S records.
This sport has an inherent bias that has allowed other drivers, but in this context, Max, to get away with things that Lewis cannot. The 2021 season proved that to be true. I will never forget the backlash Lewis received after Silverstone for doing that "tough boy" racing Max had been doing all season (and continued to do). No matter how many limits Lewis breaks it will never give him the respect that Max has the privilege to. I do not negate that Max is a great driver, but I cannot ignore how this sport has treated that as a way to counter Lewis's career and impact. And that has greatly affected how I perceive Max.
Disagree strongly with Cameron here. It's like saying a criminal that does a few amazing things is excellence as a whole while his indiscretions are forgotten. Nope. Sporting excellence is about being sporting as much as the awards and skills.
U black? 😂
So we are this far, by calling Verstappen a criminal...I mean at what point do you come to realize you're actually a complete toxic fool?
@@erikvermolen8371 He's a criminal When he tries to park a car on somebody else's head. And then before asking if the driver underneath is ok, his first comment on the radio is to say coolly "That's what you get".
@@cmod8099 You mean just like what the Mercedes team said about the takeout at Silverstone?
Wanna know how Hamilton reacted at Silverstone? First thing out of his mouth after the contact was if there was anything wrong with the car. Then he said, "I was ahead", which he wasn't. He saw footage of Max being put into the ambulance during the red flag and still decided to celebrate like he had won the WDC. When he heard that Max was now in hospital afterwards and was asked if that changed anything, he said no. It was a great win, he deserved it...
Sooooo.... If you want to diss it out, you have to be able to take it too! But no Crymilton and his cult were blinded with emotion.
Can we now conclude that the budgetcap works?! teams are closer as a whole! when driver are within two tenths of a second, where starts drivers skills and where ends carspeed? i know some drivers can make the difference!
Pity the 26 regs will then set us back a few years. Wished this regs stayed longer to reap the cost cap and wind/cfd limits rewards.
2025 Lewis over 2025 Max......EASY.
I don't think it is.
Lol 😂
offcourse, just keep repeating it for yourself, you actually might start to believe it too!
@@erikvermolen8371The truth is the truth
'Twas a privilege as always sir
Thank you for drawing me out, again.
"Merc my words" sounds better. I too think Lewis will win again this year.
It’s definitely happening.
@QuickStopF1 at Hungary I can see that happening lewis loves that track remember the double stack masterpiece
@@mastak696 I can see that at Hungary
Lewis is on his own level nyasha max is good not great
That’s what I thought but Cam put up a great argument tbf
@@QuickStopF1We cant never forget how great Red Bull is...
The some thing happy to Seb when he left, os to Messi when he left Barcelona...
They are good , but to bé great , you need to do what Lewis did,Senna did R9 did CR7 did...
👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 well said 👊🏿
@@zeferinojuliana6638 Did you put CR7 above Messi?
Don't agree, think they are both great. Lewis is just greater because he has been in there for long, let max have strong team as long as lewis has had with mclaren and mercedes and see how many wins and championships he races up.
But we cannot deny that SLH ONMV are inaviteble when they have a fast care or a car close to fighting for a win! They just get it done! It is just incredible to watch!
Great podcast. I watch this channel cause I'm team LH, Its not like you bring us news that's not readily available else where, you don't have any 10min Vids like Cam and don't post as often which I would prefer. Gnasher i applaud you for admitting your bias. Would be great if Cam F1 could admit his bias too he clearly loves Max and is willing to die on that hill. Can someone from quickstop tell Cam to stop pretending he is a LH fan. Devils advocate my back foot. He can't hide behind that sharp god tier fade and line up he's rocking this week!
No because the line up is incredible.
Who are you to say who Cam supports? He just acknowledges greatness when he sees it.
Plenty of people can agree that both Max and Lewis are different gravy.
@@Minifliek i agree i too think max is great, second best to ever sit in an F1 car after lewis. My point is cam says he is a lewis fan but is not.
@@jvolney How is he not a Lewis fan according to you?
@@Minifliek someone with eyes and ears. He knows exactly what he is doing, pandering to a certain type of audience. There are a portion of his audience that know exactly what i'm talking about. Then there are others such as yourself in which all his dog whistling goes straight over your heads and you think comes from an objective perspective. His opinions are anything but objective.
Proper conversation was had. Tip my hat to you both. Nyasha, I love how you and Cameron talk about F1. This episode flames bro. Well done.
I wont rate Max until he's paired with a top level driver in a team other than Red Bull. Till then he's just another Red Bull manufactured hype job, like his RB WDC predecessor, Sebastian Vettel.
Absolute facts
Cameron is WRONG about Max at Austria '23. Max chose to go onto the kerb early, whist behind Carlos, before Carlos moved left. Carlos moved into a gap. In 24 Max moved into a car beside him.
Cameron is a max fan no surprise there
It’s great Nyasha, fanbases are meant to support their guy and team. But it was great to have this conversation about two great drivers, something both the fanbases can agree that Max and Lewis are a cut above in every department. But both very different in their personalities and way to approach racing. I feel like Max was taught by his father so harshly since his karting days to never come second that Max has it in his brain that he won’t give up the position without Turning it to the maximum limit. I don’t know but I just love the guy since his 2016 Brazil drive. Nothing can make me be against him.
I respect that.
Pressure when he is 30 seconds up the road I don’t want to see or hear the praise for Max. When he is pressured why is Austria always the result every single time. You can agree or disagree with the rules but that’s the rule
Max Verstappen is the greatest reaching driver ever 😂 Hamilton is a step below
56:34 ... its hilarious how he's able to turn Max's psychological shortcomings into skills ..."he's only got one gear"... 🤣🤷♂️🙃
All Cameron do is give Max an excuses, about he is cute doing it. Don't hate the player hate the game. Bunch of pathetic excuses. Cameron need to get off the Peter Windsor band wagon train. All he do is regurgitate everything Peter Windsor says. He is like an eco for Mr. Windsor. Is Cameron evening hearing himself in this conversation. Nasha is right soon as Max comes under pressure the 2021 Max comes out. Max have not change or mature one bit. It was easy for ppl like Cameron to say Max mature forgetting he had a car that was 1sec faster than everone around him. No pressure there right? Never had to battle with anyone for 2yrs. Cameron ur argument is nonsense.
Cameron and Windsor are red bull fan boys they will praise max for anything
Very GLAD the comment section APPLIED SENSE to this conversation 🙌😌 #F1
Cam makes some really good argument
I may not agree but points were made.
Yup
@@QuickStopF1BC U don't have brain cells
It's not that Max is good, it's that everyone else (excluding Lewis) is useless!
So max isn't good? 😂
@RepaSre If Max had drivers that were able to provide him with more of a challenge, he would be rated a lot higher. However he has a bum for a team mate and other drivers open their legs for him whenever they see him in thier mirrors. No other driver gets that type of treatment.
@@RepaSre nope
17:59 Kimi did not dominate he drove mostly behind a safety car and the race was significantly shortened. That win was fortuitous. His form up to that point has been poor
No doubt, I was exaggerating to make a point.
Talking about how you would want to see Max do more what he did with Lando at Silverstone is the perfect explanation that you don't understand Max Verstappen. Every situation is different, Max is a very calculated racing driver and if he knows it's not the best time to defend because he doesn't have the pace at the beginning of the race he won't fight like hell. But people don't take the situation into account, they just see Max fighting hard at Austria and then not hard at Silverstone.
Man these Hamilton fans are so stupid I'm surprised these people survived for far on this planet
sorry but Cameron manoeuvred the convo to a place that was not your point. the point is: Max is not able to win a race (if a car is not one second a lap faster) without crashing carryout. And Lews IS> that was the point, doest matter what FIA allows him or not. Max cannot win without bullying and crashing, lewis does not need that, that is why you cannot put Max next to Lewis EVER>
Max is a myth is really spot on
Hamilton is nothing without the fastest car
@@RepaSre 😂😂😂 what’s your excuse for Max today kid
Im sorry but Cameron cleverly changed the depart. you guys did not debate why laws is better or if, you just argued why MAX should be crashing or shouldn't be driving this way. this was not a real comparison.
20:31 😂😂😂 I saw the non-apology coming
On the topic of sporting great, 2020 Styria pole lap. Lewis 1:19.273, Max 1:20.489. Full wets needed. Lewis over a second quicker. Sure max binned it as well. Just wanted to point out not only Max can do great Pole laps. Lewis has done a couple in his time.
Unfortunately I'm unable to put Max and excellence together in the same book let alone sentence. He's nothing but an enabled (by F1 media, community and rule breaking FIA and team who's operating system is nothing but unethical) entitled mediocre driver.But great pod none the less
I understand and don’t disagree with most of that.
Yeah, you are unable 💯. You said it yourself, RIGHT. It is a choice to close your ears and eyes. Good luck with that. 😁
@@QuickStopF1Don't expect anything less from you 😁
The question is are you a fan of the sport or just a fan of Lewis, that's where your answer lies. If you are only a Lewis fan, you will not see anything else. RIGHT
You're doing the most, relax bro it's a podcast.
Nash…. I stopped listening to Camrod!!! for a reason!!!
2, 3 times a week? More like 2, 3 times a day!
That's what I meant haha
The professional foul is spot on it’s perfect.
Cam with the trim!!! Is goated 🐐
Great podcast
Stop comparing Hamilton to verstappen there is no driver on the grid that is on Hamiltons level,the rest if given equal car's are all below Lewis
f1 is evidence based and sir lewis hamilton proved that he's the greatest of all time by winning more races than anyone in the history of the sport. verstappen is better than the rest but not yet on the top step that the one and only stands on. only if he avoided crashingontop of the car in front orgoing off to push an attacker off track.
Sorry but have to disagree with a fellow fan but max does not have a debt for Abu Dhabi 2021. Max had nothing to do with the decisions taking in that race. I will agree that Red Bull, more Horner and Wheatley owe the debt as they planted the idea in the Race Directors head. Max didn’t do any of that. It’s extremely unfair to put that at Max’s feet.
I don't think it was Abu Dhabi in particular but more his conduct during that season and the bitterness him and Red Bull brought into it. Definitely agree though that the race itself was not on him.
Max is Cobra Kai. We need the villainy
"it was a bit like that in 2020... not 2020 in ......" .... do you mean before Mercedes was dominating for 8 years ?
Why so condescending? I clarified exactly what I said right after that and even mentioned Verstappen in a positive light?
@@QuickStopF1 sorry m8... just thought it was funny 😅 ... don't read too much into it
We’ve been getting pelters on here for three days apologies man looooool thank you for tuning in ❤️
@@QuickStopF1 no worries... no need to apologize.. this is the internet after all ..😂
You asked a question on why it was made such a big deal after the Austria incident , ask yourself who made it such a big deal and if they had any motive to do such because when the drivers were asked their opinion on the incident and listen to what they said, none of them hold the same opinion as you, to them it was a racing incident that did not even deserve a penalty but i guess as a Hamilton fan you do not see it like that.
How about when he tried to ram him off the road? Or when the FIA said he should have been penalised for moving under breaking? Why is it so hard for you guys to just admit he did something wrong lol
@@QuickStopF1 All that is irrelevant because I was addressing the question you asked about that particular incident, not the moving under braking or the incident after. You haven’t had a conversation with me to know if I admit his wrongdoings or not which I do.
Pundits around the world made a big deal out of it and I know because I made sure to research before I asked. This “British bias” paranoia you guys have cooked up is hilarious, honestly lol
Cameron brings up the 2018 Lewis versus 2025 Max hypothetical at the end... only to claim too tetchy to answer?? Respectfully, every time he says tetchy, I roll my eyes. Olympic level dodging!
Otherwise, listened to the podcast despite the clickbait title and it was a good conversation. Glad QuickStop is back.
Lewis is already the greatest. Max still needs to pass Sebastian Vettel, Michael Schumacher THEN get to Lewis!
Let’s see him do that!!!
2012 season 7 different winners
To be fair it should be a 3x champion Lewis vs a 3x Champion Max...lewis is almost 40 now ...I would give a slight edge to a 3x champion Lewis because he partnered champion level teamates and beat them. I would love for Max to have a champion level teamate, the problem is once lewis and Fernando quit...who is really at that level?
No one, the long streaks of dominance have left the grid Champion less.
Lewis, Max and Fernando are the only champions on the grid.
thats a classic,better teammates like button?? double diffuser anyone he had bottas cos he liked him wonder why and rosberg was champion level in 2016!! and no one ever talks about the best teammate ever heiki kovelainen hehe see a whole other narrative in minutes and how many wins did they have at that point and which records max has broken!!!!! but better team mates rule right?? just say lewis is the goat and max a MFer thats atleast honest and two alpha males really lewis and fernando lewis and nico senna prost why would you do that as a team??
I have no issues with max, he does what the rules state and does it perfectly. Actually makes the racing entertaining. That what makes max vs lewis/charles on track action so exciting. The rules are the issues. Personally i don't like the divebomb rule where as long as you have one inch of one tyre on track it counts as a legitimate overtake. It needs some working.
Max don't care much about any opinion. Something however changed directly after Silverstone '21. An adventurous Max (doing the most insane overtakes and making them them stick) got replaced by a clinical and sometimes even cynical (zero sum I guess) Max. In contrast however to a Schumi, Max really makes near zero material mistakes (those that cost you a position within 3 corners after the mistake). That last part of the mistakes is something we probably need to look back to Clark/ Fangio to see anything like it. Schumi did more egregious things than Max btw. Some of the stuff that gave Max a bad rep probably have more to do with factors outside his control.
You might be able to say something about Max' defense, which can be cynical sometimes. But him doing exactly the same and making it stick with Sainz only a year before makes the overtaking nothing but clinical. Or the move Norris pulled in T3 in the sprint and then getting slapped by a non-DRS divebomb in T4 makes that Verstappen's race craft is completely of the chain.
And you obviously forgot Canada...which was clean and an absolute case in point on making zero mistakes and winning with definitely not the fastest car (probably 3rd fastest)...or Spain. Or pretty much every race this season when coming to Europe.
Oh...and don't blame @CameronF1. almost personally (content creators like you). It's pretty unprofessional towards a guest to whom you extended an invitation to come on the show. It's just an opinion and nothing much more.
@@JayQ2k If you think that Cam is offended by what I said given we're actually friends offline then I would suggest you take a step back, breathe, and take the content for what it was - which was two friends arguing for their favourite driver - nothing less.
@@QuickStopF1 someone being offended vs professionalism is a different thing. I see it as a form of generalizing that I don't really care to see all that much.
Having real life friends is of course great, but I doubt I will be back on this channel watching anything much. In the end: why do you create content?
@@JayQ2kthe guy is creating content specifically for a certain fanbase : #teamLH. If you're not part of it, you will not enjoy this channel. At least that's my opinion. Are you a Hamilton evangelist and you want to hear someone demonize and trash talk Max Verstappen? This is the place for you. You want an unbiased analysis of F1? Time to move. In and out!
@@madalinbpopa I know that much. Host was pretty clear about his allegiance during the podcast itself as well, so I can't blame him there. If I go to the channel of a full on team member, that's on me.
But I would like less shouting in the mic, less "keyboards greatest" sounds (gunshots and bombs) and such. In the meantime I can only hope for looking at someone that just sees the things for what they are. Yeah, you favor Lewis over Max, but it blinds some to a point of only looking at AD'21. The rest of the season however was top notch, but for one moment that is all forgotten. I find that weird.
Love this brothas. I'm subscribing to you already subbed to CamF1
I don't think Cameron has quite grasped the concept of a rules based sport, where winners are determined by their skill and not by the influences any biased administrators can apply, e.g. Abu Dhabi 2021. I think Cameron should stick to dodgem cars at the fairground.
Clearly Hamilton is the fastest driver out there, even now in his dotage!
The BrakeTester has never been team mates within an equal opportunities team. Certainly not at the Dog Whistle Team the DWT.
Hopefully one day, the BrakeTester will be team mates to a Russell, or Leclerc and start a season on equal terms, in equal machinery, with equal strategic chances.
Poor old Wingy, he's sold his racing soul. He's probably as quick as the BrakeTester, but he's prepared to be made to look like a dud.
I think a lot of people just side with who they like but if you were to really take a deep dive into Motec data and telemetry we could probably find out overall who is the quicker. If you take all bias out of it i think there are things Lewis does better than Max, in combat i believe he is able to stay calm in heated situations and is able to clear his head pretty quickly but if we are talking about pure performance week in week out every race Max holds a small advantage. I think Lewis would struggle to beat Max in a equal cars over a whole season. There has already been a few races where Lewis has had a slight car advantage and Max was able to beat him and i cant think of any other driver who has ever done that to Lewis. Max has no life outside of racing that's all he is into so you never really see him personally have these off weekends which occasionally even when Lewis had the dominant car he would still have 1 or 2 races per season where he just didn't perform. They both don't really make mistakes both have great race pace but Toto Wolff see's the the telemetry so do Mercedes after 2021 Wolff did say Max won the title in a slower car Mercedes have Lewis in there team and they were willing to let him leave and offer Max's the things that Lewis wanted you don't do that unless you have reason to believe you are getting something better and thats just racing business. If my life depended on it and i had to pick 1 driver in equal cars to perform at every track no mistakes no bad quali sessions never get bullied on track always fight and even when the cars bad drag it into contention in 2024 i would honestly pick Max.
I think that's exactly what makes Max different, just relentless consistency.
Maybe on a good day Lewis can beat Max in the same car but over a season? I doubt it.
Adrian Newey himself said the 21 Red Bull was quicker what are you talking about?
@@QuickStopF1 Yet the data analysis says the Merc was the quicker car? So wich is it? I'd take the data over the designer of a car.
I think I’d trust the guy who has access to more data than you and I, yes lol
@@QuickStopF1 Adrian Newey saying he thinks the Red Bull was faster of course should hold weight. If we are talking pure car design then the chassis was probably better than the Mercedes but the Mercedes power unit advantage super seeded that which is why when the 2021 data was calculated Mercedes had just under a tenth advantage you can find the report online. On top of that the construction change to the pirelli tyres mid way through the season also seemed to hurt Red Bull. Thats why i said you can find the actual data and find out the truth but i think the truth will hurt some people's feelings. Just remember how many races Lewis didnt win when he had a car advantage. Hungary, Monza, Turkey, Imola, Austin.. At Monza Merc were 0.3 per lap faster and Lewis messed up the start in the sprint race so he ended up starting like 5th for the main race, but he should of never been behind Max with that sort of advantage.
Cam F1 🏎️ 🔥
I have no quall with max personally...but he is THEIR (F1) face of the new generation. Go back and look at 2021 when the used words like "New face of F1" or "Witness the New Era of F1" before Abu Dhabi. They were ushering in Max Verstappen to the new fans as the next ONE. Is he a good driver? Yes...But he was also gifted that role. Go back and listen to the pundits all 2021 season. They all talked about Max as if he was the greatest thing all season long. Predictive programming. Getting people ready for the change of arms
I don't disagree with this at all.
What’s all this Bs man, Max is one of the greatest talent ever to grace this sport, From Niki lauda to Jenson button and every legend of the sport knows his raw pace. Lewis on the other hand probably the best driver ever of F1 who is 40 still better than ever but you got a guy who’s only 26 and is gonna be a 4 time world champion in a row. The British media and other journalists also shoved us the fact that Lewis is unbeatable, no, nobody is.
I think everybody suffers from short term memory remember how they talk about Max is once how they spoke about Lewis back in the day and that will continue when other new talents enter F1 in years to come. LH fans act as if F1 should revolve around Lewis. Senna was once the face of F1 then it was Schumacher then it was Lewis and next it will be Max, why does that upset people.
are we actually sitting here and talking about who is better between Lewis and max..?
wasn’t Hamilton schooling Max with a slower car in 2021 and racing all of maxes mates on a grid...👀
No he wasn't because the Mercedes was actually faster over the season you can literally google what F1 car was faster in 2021 and you will see a analysis of F1 seasons since 2010 to 2021 what gap the fastest cars had to the next best and in 2021 the Mercedes was slightly ahead. Not to mention the fact Max won plenty of races from 2016 to 2020 when he was in a clearly inferior car. The stats the telemetry and data doesn't lie but even when show people the data they will still deny it just because its not the answer they were looking for.
@@KrypticTMG 2021 not 2020 mate Mercedes turned was meant to turn up with an upgraded W12 but 2 weeks before the rules changed to slow them down and in pre season they turned up with a downgrade what saved Hamilton in the first race was his race pace…if do you want a link to whom it may concern had the fast car all season..?!
@@KrypticTMG 2016 to 2020 how many races did max win..?
@@joligramm4255 Max won 10 races before he actually had a title challenging car and most of those seasons Red Bull were the third quickest behind Merc and Ferrari. They were what Mercedes have been this season.
@@KrypticTMG you’re comparing a car that used to bounce to a Red Bull car that had a stable platform and only designed for one driver to a Mercedes car that is designed for both with two teammates actually fighting against one another make that make sense
I don’t like this Channel at all. Always coming up with disrespectful headline that triggers Max aka 2021 fake champion embarrassing fanbase. Am out
Sorry x
Same here since 2021….Red bull, max and Brundle is dead ☠️ to me ….that team and driver would never get any credit from me.
@@kenroymarshall1384 Lol stop, if Lewis had one the title in the same fashion your ass would have celebrated. Just like all the Lewis fans they hype up 2007 even though Mclaren cheated that year.
Wow! When I saw the title and Cameron as the guest I knew this would get techy!
Sorry to say but Nyasha got schooled by Cam.
Constant swearing while wearing your Lewis soap opera glasses doesn't make your argument worthwhile.
Although Cameron is also a TeamLH guy, he was still able to show that he is all about F1, not it's F1 only if Lewis is winning.
Thank you for calling out the bias about the T3 incident at Austria Cameron. Max Verstappen should not be discredited because you think "Max does stupid stuff when the lights are on." That narrative has to die because Max is one of the smartest, if not the smartest when it comes to the small things. But none of you guys are able to see that.
He literally tried to ram a man off the road whilst he had three tires, is that not stupid stuff? It's okay to say Max has flaws you know, he's not perfect. I literally said in this podcast Lewis made unforced errors but you don't listen to that you just want someone to deep throat Max's shaft. Go somewhere else then lol
@@QuickStopF1 Max directly when he rejoined steered to the right, no sudden movement. Neither did he block Lando when Lando came by from the left side. So one wonders, did Max ram Lando off the road or did Max go off the racing line because there was a car approaching?
I did most definitely listen to you talking about Lewis' unforced errors in 2021 and even saying multiple times you are for obvious reasons biased which is appreciated and no problem. But whenever Max does something it gets villainized and that is my problem. Max did the same thing Carlos did to him 1 year earlier and Max is getting slandered, only because there was contact. Lando pushes Max on the grass on purpose at Spain and nothing happens. Max pushes deliberately or not deliberately Lando towards the grass after their accident and he gets villanized.
BRUDDA I BEG don't involve that Cam guy .. About ‘ CULT LH ‘ .. Its Max Fans that pushed Lewis fans to speak upon the Delusion Max fans have . There was a time where Nyash breathed dwn this guys Neck
(oh the humanity) .. U’ll soon see on here..“Put some respect on Max’s name”. . WHY?!
MAX Supporters are NOT telling u to Respect on Hamiltons Name. DPMO ! @quickstopf1
Relax.
ohhh .. ook you’re THERE.
F1 has become too soft, too many snowflakes. Bring back Schumacher era.
Cameron must come out of the closet and admit he’s a max fan. Simple
AS GOOD AS MAX IS… He’s NOT as GREAT as Lewis, which is why F1 noticed that and HAD TO step in and HELP Max out throughout the 2021 SEASON. STOP THE BS ( kindly )
Guys, what is all this cackling? this is supposed to be podcast not a meeting in a pub.
The stewards are inconsistent with other drivers too, not only Max. I can give you examples in every race of not penalised offences of drivers. What I don’t understand is why only the offences of Max are talked about. I guess it depends on where you stand as a fan. But as a Max fan I can appreciate Lewis and was very happy for him when he won at Silverstone. Had goosebumps when he hugged his dad…
You don’t have hate the other guy….you don’t have to call him a terrorist or asshole for doing his best.
We literally talk about all incidents with all drivers but this was a chat about Max and Lewis. I literally appreciated Max the whole podcast and you’re picking up on a smalll part because it’s not unadulterated praise 🤷🏿♂️
@@QuickStopF1 I have watched the whole podcast…but nevermind…you can say what you want…freedom of speech…I just gave my opinion ☺️ tnx for replying though 👍
This felt like going to the dentist for Nyasha, he did not want to hear any Max praise. I guess Cameron didnt get the script, Also as soon as you profes that your bias, you lose the argument
I’d rather be honest with the audience than win an argument based on lies.
@@QuickStopF1 but thats exactly what you are doing, trying to win the argument based on your biased beliefs, and trying to paint Max into something that suits your belief.
I literally compliment Max so much but you want me to sit there and say even more lol what more do you want from me? Did you even listen to the podcast? Not everything is black and white, right and wrong. Just enjoy the conversation for what it is. There doesn't have to be a winner or loser lol
Is this the Lewis fan channel? 😂 Max by far the best. By far!
Nah, the stats don’t lie. But you’re entitled to your own opinion.
Was it really a legit win though? McLaren gave it them on a silver platter.
Whose fault is that lol? Strategy is a part of the race.
@@QuickStopF1 Yeah but it’s still about the car. They were still 18 seconds off in Austria before Norris and Verstappen crashed and based off Piastri’s lap times they’d of been 10+ seconds off if McLaren hadn’t fucked up the strategy. All I’m saying is I want to see them win a race where McLaren and Red Bull are both on it and don’t crash into each other.
Concerning turn 3 at Austria, difference between Max and Carlos going into turn 3 is that carlos hit the apex, max went super wide pushing Norris further off of the track. Again proving Max is at fault, dirty, new what he was doing.
The cultLH/ Delusional channel and that's ok. The fact is that Lewis won a race once in 2.5 years 😇, Enjoy it. But Max is king of F1, Simply Lovely 🇳🇱🧡👑
PS: Cameron thanks for staying realistic, I appreciate that. 💯.
Marybinnie, Typical CultLH fan girl, It's difficult for you that Max is so strong, RIGHT. Go cry me a river 😁
After a balanced debate the only one acting like a delusional fan is… I know you’re slow so I’ll give you the afternoon to consider the end of that sentence
@@QuickStopF1 But I don't close my eyes and ears to talent, you do. Are you an F1 fan or just a Lewis fan, I will give you time to think about that. Because the answer says a lot about you and your insights concern F1.
Did you listen to the pod? I literally say he’s talented, he’s the quickest, and that I respect him as a driver. I’m not gonna gargle his balls just to make people like you happy lol
The cult don't understand this is Lewis last win for this year!😂🤷
If Lewis is barely beating woody, how is he then going to win against the best talent of that generation in Max Verstappen?
Max aka 2021 fake champion delusional Fanbase. Lewis Will beat max in the same machine. The only thing he will achieve is tactic crashing on Lewis
@@crowntiger8590 Lewis aka fake 2008 champion... Or don't we talk about that? If 2021 is fake then 2008 is too.
Wow, the amount of hate towards Max on this channel is mindblowing. I get the bias is strong for Hamilton in here but there is a certain limit which shouldn't be crossed if you are a F1 fan and have some common sense. And then we wonder why there is so much toxicity in the community. This channel right here shows exactly why.
Did you listen to the podcast? At what point were we toxic? We literally said he’s the quickest driver and most consistent how is that toxic?!
No please, show me where we said something toxic outside of he was a terrorist in ‘21 and that’s shaped my view of him now. Because that’s not toxic lol grow up
@@QuickStopF1 I came here because I am fan of Cameron and I respect his takes I just cannot listen to you cause you're the perfect example of a #cultLH member. You call Max a terrorist, you think the FIA is biased when EVERY SINGLE DECISION that has been made was within the rulebook, even AD21 it's covered by the rulebook, the costcap whatever. I see the comments under this video, I see what type of "opinions" you encourage, the agenda is clear. Max is not just a quick driver, he is one of the greatest ever, he already holds a lot of records at 25 years of age, almost a quadruple champion. Has a level of consistency which has never been seen before, much higher than Lewis ever had and maybe even better than Schunacher, he's aggresive, he's fast, great racecraft. Just give him what he's due and stop minimising his talents and achievements. There's no shame in admitting that Hamilton has been beaten by a faster, more hungry and more talented driver. Lewis is a great champion and he drove some incredible cars and if he ever had the same qualities as Max has 1. He would have never lost 2021 2. He would have won 19 races in a season as well cause he had the car, the team and also the teammates to do it. Watching Bottas now makes me sad to know this guy is a driver with 10 wins in F1 and a double vicechampion.
Very long way of saying that you too hold a bias and it affects your opinion. Have a nice day x
@@QuickStopF1 nah, it's an unbiased point of view actually. If Niki Lauda could call Max " the talent of the century" while working for Mercedes and with Lewis it shouldn't be that hard for F1 fans to see it as it is as well. "Didn't deserve 2021"...what a joke. Have a good one!
The amount of Max haters in here😂
There’s more people who hate Lewis ffs lol
2021 was Lewis , especially that fight in the back end of that season - Brazil was just bonkers / and robbed at the end , but
Lewis and max are step above the rest for sure
Brazil and Saudi he took the piss.
@@QuickStopF1 ohh totally forgot about Saudi - will have to watch that one on my tv que…
LEWIS WITHOUT A DOUBT BY FAR, HE WOULD BREAK AND MAKE MAX QUIT WITH HIS CONSISTENCY, LIKE ROSSBERG, THE PRESSURE WOUL BE TOO MUCH FOR HIM, IF HAT THEY HAVE DONE AND STILL OR TRYING TO DO TO LEWIS WAS DONE TOO MAX, HE WOULD HAVE QUIT F1, THEIR NOT LIKE US