I hate that the de-aged Trunks. He was a damn adult when he killed Cell. And the whole blue hair thing just created unnecessary inconsistency. Then he loses everything in his timeline. Every survivor, everyone in the afterlife, all wiped out. It was such a slap in the face to Trunks. I hate what Super did to Future Trunks.
@@dimitrijames00001 he was 20 cause he trained the equivalent of two years in the hyperbolic time chamber and he was 17-18 when he first showed up to kill Frieza
@@pokermitten9795 genetically gohan isn’t superior, they are even. They’re all 50% human + 50% saiyan. The writers simply always kept gohan around to give him fights. Whenever the writers keep trunks and goten around it’s for them to fuse and get their asses kicked. Neither goten or trunks ever had to fight for their lives beside their fight with buu. Gohan was put in that scenario time and time again since he was 4. Gohan grew up in times where goku and vegeta would lose battles causing him to step in. Examples being gohan(ape) vs vegeta , gohan vs frieza(not final form), gohan vs cell, gohan vs buu.
@@pokermitten9795 only because we saw him in his youth at four, the first time we saw trunks he was a pre teen, not only that but give them both the same training for the same amount of time ain’t not telling what he could do
I think what allows Gohan to have a different potential is more than just being a hybrid too. Man was trained by both Piccolo AND Goku for numerous years, on top of already having the hybrid potential. He had to adapt to the greatest threats in the universe as well which gives him a lot of exp that Trunks just doesn’t have. Even in Super, Gohan stopped training for a total of almost 10 years, yet surpassed Trunks by far, even though Trunks constantly trains.
I really loved android 16s speech to gohan in dbza. "You are not the only one who has suffered. I'm sure trunks has many stories he can tell you and they all probably end with "and then he died too""
@@wes4736 Did they ever get to finish the show? I remember watching through the Cell saga and then I think they got sued by Toei or something? Cease and desist or something. And then I never heard anything else from them. Did they work it out? Did they get to finish the show, or did it just come to a hard stop half way through the Cell Saga?
@@Saimeren - they stopped at the end of Cell. I don't remember if they were just burnt out with the project or got slapped with takedowns to make them stop. They're actually going through episode by episode in an ongoing directors commentary.
Z Future Trunks is legitimately my favorite character in the show. He plays no games and had such a meaningful development in his character progression and those damn pipes that burst out of that purple jacket and turned it into a vest. Man looked like he could bench press Super Shenron with those fucking guns 😂💪🏻
@@joshualowe959 I mean they did forget the seal on the evil containment wave I mean they could of sealed away zamasu and ganged up on goku black but they all pretty much was all bullshiting leading to merged zamasu and then eternal zamasu to the entire damn timeline being erased
Trunks is my favorite character in DBZ. He’s the main character of the original timeline, and if this was any other series, he would be the focus. I still think his storyline would make an amazing show. I think he has more potential than Gohan, and I would love if the series did justice to that.
@@gravitysdemigod8830 if we're going with the main timeline then he's not alive he was killed by cell so cell could time travel back to the past before trunks showed up that's the true main timeline so there's no one to defend the earth
One of the most minor things that just bugged me SO MUCH was the change in his appearance, ESPECIALLY his hair but not exclusively that. It made no sense for his hair to change. Not only was it not necessary but now kid trunks is just… there. With purple hair. I get that’s he not important so it doesn’t “really” matter but the fact still remains that only future trunks had his hair changed. Yes it makes more sense than purple, but his purple hair was iconic, it was so recognizable because it was distinct. And oh gosh what were they thinking with the scrawny body. Not even during his first appearance was trunks that small. And this is a character that you absolutely cannot say “oh maybe he didn’t have the will to train”, the man knows how valuable strength is, especially in his timeline where he’s a lone warrior. I thought it’s would be really cool to see trunks again, but I think I would’ve rather had just the memory of him in Z than have his character be ruined in super 😭.
The short answer to this, is that Toriyama's Trunks had blue hair. The anime colored it purple, which he had no part in. The proof of that is in his designs for DB BOG where his kid trunks also had blue hair.
@@supersaiyanmel8352 because the anime did its own thing. Its like Vegeta when he first appeared, and he had red-ish hair and blue and orange suit. Or how Piccolo has 5 fingers in the anime while in the original story he had 4 fingers, or giving fingers to Super buu or kid buu whrn in the manga he just had mitten-like hands, the anime did its own thing sometimes. Sometimes they were corrected, sometime it wasnt corrected. I find it weird that the color of the hair bothers you, too. Fun fact, Bulma in the manga is supposed to have purple colored hair, and then the anime made it blue. I guess toriyama must have said "okay... i guess blue hair it is. Then he goes out of his way to make her hair blue, and then gives trunks blue hair, but the anime decides to portray his hair as purple, which was the color intended for Bulma's hair in the first place.
I felt for the guy after his timeline was permanently erased by Future Zen-Oh. Trunks was supposed built up to be as the “Warrior of Hope” as he’s the sole defender of his planet. I’ll also mention that his malnourished physique in Super may have something to do with the scarce amount of food (him and Mai had to munch on pet food), but it doesn’t affect his battle performance. The only consolation he has is Mai, whom he may settle down with.
@@BLACKSTA361 I mean in the manga the pilaf gang used the dragon balls to become young in future trunks timeline ( this was when the androids showed up)
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 I didn't even get what they were thinking with that choice. Like... Okay so Zamasu isn't immortal, but he also... Is? Like, pick a lane and stick to it.
plot... the crazy part is the sword still broke but since it was spat on by dabura i guess it didnt matter???? but they did trunks so wrong i hope they bring him back or at least tell us how the two trunks are doing
the only thing i can say was good was his power up! because i personally feel he should be stronger anyways especially because he was a ssj for longer! and despite not having a power up like gohan from the kai, goku didnt need one to defeat kid buu so he still could have been just as strong ykno? but i dont kno
The "normal" timeline has a litany of strong warriors who push each other to excel and be better, Trunks was pretty much alone in his. It would be ridiculous to me if he was on their level in that kind of environment. In combat sports too, your strength depends a lot on the strength of the people around you. Practice with weak people and you'll at most become stronger than the second strongest guy there, but the least strongest at a much higher level gym might still easily sweep you. Motivation alone is not enough.
@@Xeno455 all the people who couldve helped him (or did help him at some point, like gohan and Supreme Kai) get stronger are either abscent or dead, even in the DBS continnuation
@@datboi9539 Its an apocaliptic world. There is a huge lack of resources. In super, I think the time machine takes about 1 week to charge up. In Trunks timeline, it takes 1 year of charging for 1 trip. Im sure making a gravity chamber would be just as hard to build with whatever they had and even more so to turn on and keep it functioning. Trunks was a baby when everyone died. Goku gets his heart disease about the same time, then 6 months later, androids kill the rest of the fighters. Now, what you can argue is King Kai not getting involved, either with contacting with namek dragon balls, or to have goku tell Trunks about the Time chamber, or have Goku use his one day out of other world to fight or something.
I still strongly believe that dbs trunks is from a different time-line. He's the only one with blue hair, his personality is totally different than either version of him, he isn't the lone survivor of the z fighters (if you count yajirobi), he has a weird unexplained transformation in super saiyan rage and his sword is totally different.
Cell: LOOK AT ME IM TRUNKS. PLEASE LOVE ME DAD! See anyone can do it. Trunks: That's a terrible impression. Android 16: But not inaccurate. Trunks: WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE??
Gohan's training was more like Gohan constantly being pushed out of his comfort zone, being encouraged, and then being rewarded with the respect and admiration of his mentors before doing it all over again. Where Trunks was just beat down and demoralized over and over and over. Plus seemingly being hated by his father (from his view) when meeting his father was the first thing he looked forward to in a long time. That COULD be motivating for some, but much more likely messed with his potential till long after the events of the Cell saga.
@Saiyan Scholar I mean super trunks was a meh for me I wasn't in total discust I like the black ark it's not the best ark it's just there as it is but It was kinda intruding with the survival adventure of it.
I loved, and I mean loved, how Trunks was always a "no nonsense" kinda character. He got s*** done, son. In Super when Goku and Vegeta let Frieza destroy earth because they were giving him a final speech, Trunks from DBZ, wouldn't do that. No games. No small talk. No jokes. No showing off. No testing his limits. No pride. No letting the enemy get stronger just to have a better fight. He just cut right to the chase. And went for the kill. He didn't play with his food, if he was stronger, he immediately seized the means of production When he faced the Androids and Cell back in his Timeline, he did it with boldness, bravery, toughness and confidence. A a hardened war veteran who also grew up in the most dangerous ghetto in the city, and also went to prison for fifty years and saw some s***.... That's how Trunks personality came across. Just a "you don't wanna mess with this guy, if you're a bad guy" type of man. And that's the thing... In DragonBall Z, Trunks was a Man. In Super... They regressed him into a boy. And that, is a disgrace. We will always remember Trunks, as the Veteran. As the warrior. As the gangsta hood Bro, that didn't mess around. Not as a scared, crying, skinny, hipster dressing, blue haired, little sissy boy
Future Trunks in Z especially in movie 8 and the bojack movie was always my favorite badass character. With the Jacket the long hair and get jacked when he turned super saiyan is so unbelievably badass. Dragon Ball Super throw those away made Future Trunks look like a crybaby made me cringe honestly and they should’ve done so much better
Future Trunks in Super was the final nail on the coffin of me having confidence in the show. It was just dumb fun till then that I didn't care too much for nor hated but after that...just...no. At the least, they could've ended it with Trunks win and letting him (and others) stay in the past. If you're going to erase his timeline at least keep him in the present story but noooooooooooooooooo
Money make people rush the product in which dumbs the quality of the of the product down. This saga made no sense and only watched it that one time straight through and only revisit my favorite moments. This bad writing make the Super Dragon Ball Heroes and Beyond Dragon Ball more valuable than the actual cannon fiction of the show. I've imagined better storytelling better in my head and was shaking it the most the time watching this saga and most the Super series.
I hate how they destroyed trunks universe. When they did that, I feel like that destroyed his purpose which was to protect his friends, family, and home as its sole protecter. Now all of that is erased because of universal zamasu and the zeno button.
the fact that they turned no nonsense badass warrior into a whimp is a clear statement that they brought him back only for cheap cashgrab trunks comes back to his time and knows that any future threat will be on him to defeat babidi fails to resurrect majin buu and trunks... stops training apparently... instead of arms capable of bending titanium he has wet noodles instead of keeping his attitude he goes knees weak and what does he do? goes to past again but instead of going there to help or to prepare himself for the battle he goes to cry for help and then in his own goddamn arc the moment of glory it was all for nothing zamasu is everything and dragon ball super fanbase gets sumoned to erase entire arc from hapening after it happened
Trunks was turned into a wimp the moment he gave up and just asked cell to kill him Trunks never stopped training considering his ssj2 is as strong as ssj3 goku Unless you’re saying that ssj3 goku isn’t even cell saga level Kinda weird how no one give Him shit for getting knees weak against vegeta when cells trying to absorb 18, while trashing him for asking for help when he’s clearly outmatched after fighting him for months
@Adrian Scott Even Goku didn't have much of a personality change, in all seriousness. Goku was always carefree until it came time to fight. Only difference now is, ever since he became a SSG, he's been extremely arrogant (as pointed out by Whis) so hes a bit more playful.
He still one of the best characters in the series and the very few that has common sense, aka not toying with your enemy. Also, even tho he doesn't have rage in the manga, I like that his SS2 form was as strong as "goku black arc," SS3 goku, at least we know SS2 trunks is above kid buu.... manga wise lol I hope the future world trunks went to he sees that worlds trunks and mai get killed by dabura, and our future trunks then kills that dabura making there only be one trunks and mai
@@Omnipulsar well SS2 goku never fought base goku black in the manga, SS vegeta fought SS goku black in the manga and was winning until black got a zenkai. But you can make the argument that vegeta's base was a lot higher than gokus in the black arc manga
I 100% agree, blue hair on trunks was bullshit and failure to pay attention to details, he had purple hair before and present trunks has purple, and he was far weaker in super than cell saga, future trunks at cell saga could have curb stomped zamasu
I understand your sight of things, but let me explain, what I think, is the case: You see, in Episode 61, Goku Black & Zamasu condemn Trunks for time travelling, for changing the history, because (from their perspective) only gods would be allowed to do that. Trunks clearly wanted to change things to be better, than what he had experienced in the past. Trunks was indeed strong, but I think, he had that feelings of anger and guilt for a long time and to make it worse, those feelings were brought to him by an "evil version" of Goku, a person, who was originally supposed to be his friend and the final strike, that broke him completely, was, that he couldn't do anything against this foe, even, when using all his strength. Trunks's problem was not his physical strength, but his (again) broken mentality due to his experiences with Goku Black in his timeline. Don't underestimate, what psychological torture can do to a physical strong being. I also didn't get, why the writers chose to make his hair blue, but that honestly was no issue for me.
I literally act like DBS isn’t canon due to what they did to future trunks lol. One of my fav characters and they just brutally destroyed his entire being.
1:47 - 1:56 Trunks: "you think I'm a *nightmare* for my enemies??? You're wrong, *I am the true embodiment of fear for my enemies* " Edit: Hands down I liked dbs future trunks only for his super saiyan rage because he shows that even a "crybaby" can become dangerous when he wants to
about halfway through this video, I was thinking that the writers are scared of progression of any kind in dragon ball super constantly trying to remove any consequences from the series. when trunks came back to the past in dragon ball super they should have shown how he has really become his own man. I think that trunks and mei should have been married instead of just heavily implying that they like each other and leave it at that. I agree that he should have had a beard and should have acted more mature instead of running back to mommy and daddy to solve his problem for him. I think it should have been Trunks training to take down Goku black and not Vegeta. maybe trunks could have been the first super Saiyan 4 in dragon ball super. he could have had the kai's tell him about super Saiyan 4 and then use the dragon balls to get his tail back then maybe he can go to Vegeta to teach him how to control the oozaru transformation to complete his ascension to Super Saiyan 4. that would have been way better than what we got.
Too bad he was used and turned into worse version of cabba. Like what?? If you wanna see the real trunks then see the dragon ball z kakarot game. That's where the real trunks relies.
Kakarot has so many issues though. I want to like it but there’s a lot of annoying stuff. Lmao also retconning Piccolo blowing up the moon is just lame.
So hoping for the story of Future Trunks to continue. He was literally the coolest character of the show and is still my favourite character. Super needs to bring him back.
@Super Saiyan I think if that happened though like. Dragon ball has plenty of forgotten characters. Toriyama has enough trouble juggling his cast besides goku and vegita, and he didn't even like vegita. Tien is one of my favorite characters and he's basically fallen off the map, the only Z fighter that is even relevant really is piccolo, and that's because he gave gohan a movie. Toriyama is trying for sure, he's just bad at managing so many characters. Though I'm honestly wondering if he's gonna give humans a bone or not. Like imagine if he liked Tien. Tien could actually train the next generation of humans which both are sorely over due. Tldr: Trunks was going to be dropped no matter what choice he made
Super ruined everything for Trunks. For starters, he has the Ash Ketchum disease, he becomes too dependent on Goku and Vegeta, who couldn't even beat Black, his hair is the wrong color, and he gains a form that makes no sense. SSJ Rage? Should be something Gohan achieves. Trunks is supposed to be the defender of his timeline, yet he had to watch as his timeline got erased by a Stewie reject. This is NOT our Trunks.
If Goku Black met Z Future Trunks, his eyes would explode due to the badassery that Z Trunks emits. The long purple hair, and the giant muscles. Goku Black would know it would be a bad idea to fight him!
The first time I seen Trunks in DBS, I was very disappointed with the way he was portrayed, you would think after Z he would get development, but no, instead he is portrayed as this very emotional cry baby with so many ridiculous moments of asspulls, You would think after so many years pass Trunks would at least aged and gotten a lot bigger, but instead he de aged and looks a lot thinner, it is absolutely pathetic how Dragonball Super is turning out, I seriously want to like this series, but there is so many flaws for me to even care anymore.
@@theoracle2761 Who is "every one?" I seen better stories, that handled trauma better than this, and plenty of characters had their entire family and friends killed, and gone through a lot worse than Trunks, they didn't turn into emotional cry babies, I swear DBS fans these days cannot conceptualize actual good story writing, but they like to make up pathetic excuses to defend shit writing, That reminds me, Jiren lost his entire family and they were all killed, but you don't see him turn into an emotional cry baby like DBS Trunks. lol
@@Wiki1184 Did you see him crying and dropping tears and giving up hope? Jiren throwing a hissy fit and attacking Goku's friends when he started losing is something I expected to happen at at some point.
@@PrincessZelda2020 bruh,I think having your whole entire timeline erased and having to live with a copy of yourself is pretty much up there in the no. 1 stop of bad things that could happen to you
Great Video ever since Future Trunks came back in super I wanted him to have influenced his past or younger self I guess I really liked his bad ass attitude he gave during Z but maybe I'm asking to much
18:48 "...he should have been portrayed much stronger..." I disagree because instead of having the luxury to hone his fighting skills like other Z fighters, Trunks had to literally become a civil engineer and rebuild his whole city from rubble.
He didn't have to. There were other people who could rebuild the city even if maybe not as well. He was literally the only option as a fighter. It does seem pretty clear which he should have focused on.
@@Aquilenne Nah, he learned plenty engineering, evidenced by the fact he apparently learned the Spirit Bomb intuitively. After all, literally no one, not even Jiren could defeat universal Zamasu except Zeno.
Wait a minute I thought his favorite hobby aside from fighting was literally tinkering with machines , which means that it's something that he usually likes doing in his free time. So I'm pretty sure he wasn't forced into doing engineering. And I like how despite Future Trunks and present trunks being the same person, they have very little in common.
13:19 This isn't a criticism or correction, it's just something I wanted to elaborate on. I agree that 16's speech and death was Gohan's trigger, but there's also something to be said about WHY it was his trigger, and was so effective. The reason is this: It was all a matter of psychology and philosophy. Gohan was mentally holding himself back through his sense of moral duty. He saw Cell, and every other villain he had faced up to that point, as living beings. Living beings with a right to life. He was pacifistic, and couldn't bring himself to kill. Even if it meant protecting others, his mentality was to find another solution. Plead with them if necessary, beg them to stop. 16 told him something very specific. Something that broke down these mental barriers and caused him to stop holding himself back. He told Gohan basically that he's right about life being truly precious, but it's for that very reason that it's not wrong to kill those who seek to kill others and can't be reasoned with. He doesn't need to hesitate against a monster like Cell with no respect or regard for others lives. This message alone wasn't enough, what drove the point home was Cell providing the additional push by killing the helpless 16 on the spot for absolutely no good reason, crushing him underfoot simply because he was tired of listening to him. It was in that moment that it finally got through to him what those words meant. Gohan's unwillingness to kill Cell was replaced with a sense of justice for those Cell had killed, and who he continued to threaten. Cell was a bully, and Gohan finally resolved himself to make him pay with his life. With his mental barriers holding him back demolished, the power was finally able to flow freely, surging out as though through a broken dam. This is what Trunks was lacking in the Cell saga. He probably did have the same potential, or maybe even a far greater one. However, what he lacked was the trigger to break down his mental barriers and let that power flow freely. Trunks is a different person than Gohan, with a different world view and general philosophy. What worked for Gohan wasn't going to work for Trunks, and because his condition hadn't been met to change his world view to one that would allow his power to flow, the Super Saiyan 2 form remained locked to him. The general theme around Super Saiyan at the time was that it was the power of the pure hearted. Individuals like Vegeta may be able to unlock the transformation and use it to bully others, but the form itself wasn't what granted it's true power. What made Goku so strong on Namek against Freeza, and then later what made Gohan so strong against Cell wasn't the Super Saiyan form or Super Saiyan 2 form by itself. It was the sense of justice in their hearts that strengthened their resolve and motivated them to fight at their absolute best, without holding anything back. To let the power flow freely for the sake of those they cared about, and everyone who had been wronged by the tyrants standing before them.
I absolutely love how your videos get me thinking and seeing things in a different light. I had no idea about the connection of Zamasu to Lucifer and Future Trunks to Michael, that segment was very fascinating.. Thanks for making the content you make, good sir.
Yeah, future trunks' ending being his world being destroyed and him having to go to an alternative dimesion to never be seen again is an absolute gut punch and the worst dbs had to offer, its like the writters didnt have any idea of what to do with the story so they just rolled with it and used the first thing they came up with.
Ok who else thinks Gogeta v Zamasu should of happened for the reasons that Zamasu used potara a godly item that fuses people and the fusion dance is mortal technique would’ve made more sense and well if they wanted Vegito in the story put him in the Broly Movie and also the serious Fusion Reborn Gogeta v Zamasu so well we wouldn’t suffer aby retcon as well the rules of the dance os the same as the movie and Vegito v Broly could’ve been awesome but I digress love both fusions but Ssj4 Gogeta is supreme 😃🐒
The struggle of everyone becoming a super sayian. Trunks losing everyone he cared about, vegeta filled with rage training harder than anyone has ever done, goku the last sayian the loss of his best friend. Then u6 sayians transform with a tingly feeling in their back....
Neat vid! Liked the end the most (ofc with tears in my eyes). Though ONE small note to consider: the entire Saga in DBS about Trunks was to make Whis ask him to sacrifice himself and Mai to save ALL and EVERYHING else. In the end of DBS Future Trunks Arc he did become what we all wished since Gohan ate that horse, a hero.
Trunks's timeline being erased is the ultimate failure because trunks failed to protect his world even though it was dues ex machina the Goku black saga should have ended with the spirit sword slaying zamasu
Super really screwed him over BIG TIME! From his design, all the way to how the arc ended with his timeline which we all wanted to see him save got completely erased and he was just a whiny bitch the whole time in my opinion. Not to mention that stupid rage form was completely out of nowhere!
I rewatched the goku black arc with my little brother last night i was thinking to myself Trunks had such better ending in z Defeated the androids and Restoring peace to his time i mean was it really necessary to make this boy suffer again after a childhood of hell leave this boy alone super please just let him be happy Long story short trunks ending in z is still better then his super ending
Honestly in retrospect, pretty much every single saga in Super exists to sell merch. Especially the Tournament of Power. There's some effort to do good writing, but it's strictly second to doing whatever necessary to sell merch. Gotta pump out as much fan service, new forms, etc. as possible so it can be sold as a figurine or on a shirt or as a nightlight or whatever else they can think of to sell. Fans want new transformations? Here, have Super Saiyan again but now it has blue hair. Fans want returning characters back? Here, have Trunks but he has blue hair. And a new transformation that looks cool. Here, have a new version of Broly (though honestly he's actually pretty well written in), Here, have Freeza with the power to transform into an emmy. Fans want female Super Saiyans? Here, have a female Broly and a female Saiyan who's sole purpose in the story is to seek out higher levels of Super Saiyan through a tingly back and just wanting it really really bad. Fans want strong new villains? Here, have an evil Goku. Don't forget to buy 50 shirts with all this stuff slapped on them. Super has a lot of hype surrounding it as it comes out and in the buildup to new content like the upcoming movie, but aside from the Broly movie it ends up largely feeling pointless in retrospect. It lacks the heart and soul of the series from before. I generally like it more than GT, but even GT did better than Super in regards to having this quality, in spite of the worse writing until near the end.
I don't mind the blue hair sence I tell myself that he probably dyed it, but I love Future Trunks from DBZ. I even had a bit of a crush on him growing up (since he was cuter than the new one) but seeing the new Future Trunks, it's just heartbreaking. Like you said, he went being independent that traveled back in time to hang out and help out and being to stand for himself when his timeline needed him, to being a baby that needs to be bottle fed like all that training went out the window. I'm seriously hoping the new Trunks is from a different timeline
Everyone fails in that convoluted mess of a Goku Black saga. It's such a waste of time and potential. The timeline was erased by Zeno and the conclusion was moot. Everyone who died, no longer exist in any way, shape, or form. Even the Afterlife was erased from existence. Future Trunks' timeline literally turned into a Linkin Park lyric, because "In the end...it doesn't even matter."
What could've been was reduced to merely "the SSJ Swordsman"... (sigh) tragic. His shirt was kinda cool I guess. Well said, Scholar & thanks for another great video! 👊😎👍
Dragonball Super will NEVER be Dragonball Z and I can agree with most of what he's saying about Trunks in Super. With that said I was just happy to see Future Trunks again, he's one of my favorite characters due to what he's endured and overcome. He's become a main character that can stand on his own due to his story. But he's not the only character that got destroyed by Super. Vegeta can't get back most of his pride after all these clown comedy scenes he's been in. But yeah Dragonball Super overall is definitely aggravating. Especially with all these God transformations and bullshiting the origins of Super Saiyan power levels. I prefer GT.🤔
This arc is where I lost all hope for DB Super. Before then I was excusing it with them having tight deadlines, and that they were remaking the movies, etc. I was exciting to return to the darker, more mature tone set by the original future Trunks' timeline. And then the rest of the arc happened. Ugh.
I like to think that future trunks from z just stayed in him timelime because he was a bad ass and the super future trunks is from a timeline we never saw but instead of killing the Androids the brought goku with him to kill them for him so he never grew but new goku could solve his problems
Future Trunks and everyone else should have been permanently killed off like the writers originally planned to do in his timeline during the goku black arc but the writers got cold feet on following through with doing that because there would have been a massive storm of backlash on the ending since future trunks is a fan favorite character. I personally would have been mad too but loved the choice overall. Modern Dragonball needs to have permanent consequences to their deathmatch fights sometimes at the expense of modern fan appeal. It makes the anime more complete and worth watching when popular anime fan favorites actually and permanently die off. Plus seeing the aftermath of those decisions about fighting stronger opponents in the remaining characters left alive just for the love of battle. If future trunks and everyone outside of goku, vegeta, and those necessary to the overall DB Super storyline would have died permanently at the end of the goku black arc, that would have been a chef's kiss of perfection for modern Dragonball.
I intentionally avoided DBS like the plague. Everything I heard reminded me of Disney Star Wars: a remorseless nostalgia bait to get new fans while disrespecting the legacy of what came before in DBZ. Future Trunks is perhaps my 3rd favorite character from Z, his dystopian timeline was the first time I ever experienced dystopia in fiction, so it was very meaningful. So later hearing about how they destroyed Future Trunks pretty much sealed the deal for me, I was never going to watch Super. This Blue Trunks is not Future Trunks, he is some other character. Future Trunks is still in his timeline, having his best life as the protector of his Earth.
i just think saiyans shouldn’t be scrawny at least the U7 ones which is why i don’t like how Trunks muscle mass and height regressed compared to the cell saga, even the hair length was cool
What if when Akira toriyama was writing and releasing dbz he told the original timeline with future trunks, had him go back in time, and then followed the new timeline? Who knows how people would have reacted to it but in hindsight it sounds really dope
Why they could just leave Future trunks alone ? Just brought him back to make his life more miserable, he already lost most of the people close to him when he was just a baby, lost the only person that could understand him as a half saiyan ( Gohan) and his timeline is a mess, not even going back in time could fix it, all he could do was get stronger to protect whats left. Then they bring him back just to spite in his face for all his efforts in cell saga and take everything else from him all just for nostalgia. The whole him learning the spirit bomb and getting a random powerful out of nowhere is another story but the way how the writers mess up his life even more is what bothers me the most.
I wish Trunks had come back for the Buu saga, that he had someway to contact the main timeline and could help the guys when needed. He is a completely different character to Kid Trunks and had a lot to offer. In general, I wish him and Gohan had done more together, since they have such a special bond, it's only natural they should be closer, Gohan could look to him as a cool big brother and they could have fought together against Cell or something.
Future Trunks is my favorite character and I agree with a lot of the points on how they screwed up his character in Super here, I hate it too. But in fairness in regards to SSJRage, i'm pretty sure that is just an official name for his ultra form, since the grading system has been retconned.
Yeah super doesn't hype me up like Z used to. Maybe it's my age, but the writing is much more like modern anime, there's is no brutality or push for characters other than vegeta and Goku really. The moment that got me hyped up the most was when Gohan powered up again freeza. Yes, that moment disappointed me the most too.
I think it's important to remember that Trunks, being a war orphan from an apocalyptic time, would have never been able to match the nutritional intake that Chi-Chi and Goku would have supplied Gohan with, and Gohan growing up as the son and student of Goku and his ex Piccolo would likewise present an insurmountable benefit for someone like Trunks, who is probably Gohan's near exact equal in potential had he ever been graced with the diet and lifestyle of a universe-level fighter from birth like Gohan got.
The real question is what the hell are the two copies of trunks and Mai doing in that timeline they were transported to? Recreating their favourite duels? Watching the TOP on their TimeLine TV?
Trunks is by far the most compelling character in all of DB. His story is just as tragic if not more tragic than Goku's, and he perseveres through impossible odds, through the help of others, just as Goku does (primary ex: spirit bomb). I've always wanted a Trunks focused anime, and his arc in Super is the closest thing we got. I was extremely grateful we got that arc, and Zamasu was a great villain. Seeing Trunks take on Zamasu and Black was incredible, considering the fact he could only go SS2. I would kill to see a SS4 Trunks one day. And a SS4 Gotenks. I doubt they'll add SS4 to Super, since canonically GT is after Super, but maybe Future Trunks COULD be the one to break that limitation, and we can see a side story where Trunks DOES go SS4, and has to fight some insane threat. No matter what people try to argue, GT is canon, and SS4 is canonically stronger than SSB, and that's a fact.
@@Wiki1184 Nope, that's just a theory...A GA-...bad theory. 🤦 People don't understand the concepts of canon, continuity, and multiverses, so it's easier for most to invent their own definitions. Toriyama has ultimate say over what's canon or not, and he's repeatedly called GT canon. He's also introduced a multiverse so that all stories can be canon.
@@monkeysk8er33 That's what I mean by "different continuities". They're different universes/timelines. GT doesn't fit in the same timeline as Super due to a lot of contradictions.
GT is canon but it's a very bad series. Every arc involving Future Trunks(DBZ/DBS) is agonizing to watch in my opinion. He's my least favorite character in the series
Future trunks is a warior. And I he is my favorite character.. The emotional, love, sacrifice everything can be seen in trunks history.. Although the goku Black arc make me no sense it was really great.
I hate that the de-aged Trunks. He was a damn adult when he killed Cell. And the whole blue hair thing just created unnecessary inconsistency. Then he loses everything in his timeline. Every survivor, everyone in the afterlife, all wiped out. It was such a slap in the face to Trunks. I hate what Super did to Future Trunks.
Absolutely agree. I think future trunks from Z isn't the one from super. I think super trunks is a trunks from a different future timeline
He was around 17 or 18 when he fought cell
Look how they massacred our boy
@@dimitrijames00001 he was 20 cause he trained the equivalent of two years in the hyperbolic time chamber and he was 17-18 when he first showed up to kill Frieza
@@shirothr5384 I'm aware, but at this point it is an unnecessary inclusion
Hot take: Gohan and Trunks had the same potential the whole time we just had less screen time with trunks
It makes sense, they’re both hybrid sons of a human and saiyan.
Gohan is genetically and experientially superior though so idk.
@@pokermitten9795 genetically gohan isn’t superior, they are even. They’re all 50% human + 50% saiyan. The writers simply always kept gohan around to give him fights. Whenever the writers keep trunks and goten around it’s for them to fuse and get their asses kicked. Neither goten or trunks ever had to fight for their lives beside their fight with buu. Gohan was put in that scenario time and time again since he was 4. Gohan grew up in times where goku and vegeta would lose battles causing him to step in. Examples being gohan(ape) vs vegeta , gohan vs frieza(not final form), gohan vs cell, gohan vs buu.
@@pokermitten9795 only because we saw him in his youth at four, the first time we saw trunks he was a pre teen, not only that but give them both the same training for the same amount of time ain’t not telling what he could do
I think what allows Gohan to have a different potential is more than just being a hybrid too. Man was trained by both Piccolo AND Goku for numerous years, on top of already having the hybrid potential.
He had to adapt to the greatest threats in the universe as well which gives him a lot of exp that Trunks just doesn’t have.
Even in Super, Gohan stopped training for a total of almost 10 years, yet surpassed Trunks by far, even though Trunks constantly trains.
I really loved android 16s speech to gohan in dbza. "You are not the only one who has suffered. I'm sure trunks has many stories he can tell you and they all probably end with "and then he died too""
I loved DBZA mostly comedic and exaggerated char elements. That right there is one of my favs. That line would fit in the og DBZ as well.
Honestly, the very end of DBZA was really rivaling the quality of the actual show at that point.
@@wes4736 Did they ever get to finish the show? I remember watching through the Cell saga and then I think they got sued by Toei or something? Cease and desist or something. And then I never heard anything else from them.
Did they work it out? Did they get to finish the show, or did it just come to a hard stop half way through the Cell Saga?
@@Saimeren - they stopped at the end of Cell. I don't remember if they were just burnt out with the project or got slapped with takedowns to make them stop. They're actually going through episode by episode in an ongoing directors commentary.
@@wes4736 I think it was a bit of both.
Z Future Trunks is legitimately my favorite character in the show. He plays no games and had such a meaningful development in his character progression and those damn pipes that burst out of that purple jacket and turned it into a vest. Man looked like he could bench press Super Shenron with those fucking guns 😂💪🏻
I’d say my favourites are teen gohan, future trunks and kid goku.
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But sadly everything he did was all for nothing. Zamasu was immortal
@@joshualowe959 I mean they did forget the seal on the evil containment wave I mean they could of sealed away zamasu and ganged up on goku black but they all pretty much was all bullshiting leading to merged zamasu and then eternal zamasu to the entire damn timeline being erased
@@waaahhhl2614 but I bet even if they sealed away the immortal Zamasu, he still would have just broken out
Trunks is my favorite character in DBZ. He’s the main character of the original timeline, and if this was any other series, he would be the focus. I still think his storyline would make an amazing show. I think he has more potential than Gohan, and I would love if the series did justice to that.
@Brandon: Agreed! Future trunks is so much better then Gohan.
@@macruz8503 I wish Trunks went SSJ2 against Cell tbh. He's my fav character too
@@Black_Knight_-BK- his ssj2 design is so good too, most distinct from ssj1 other than teen gohan
When was he ever the main character
@@gravitysdemigod8830 if we're going with the main timeline then he's not alive he was killed by cell so cell could time travel back to the past before trunks showed up that's the true main timeline so there's no one to defend the earth
Furture trunks Was such a bad ass character he is without a doubt one of my favorites
It's the long hair 😂
Same it sucks super demolished him
@@bluestreaksthehedgehog. I don't consider that shit Canon... Dragon ball ended with DBZ
@@kumarayush9950 It ended after Cell for me. I don't even bother watching after that
@@Valientlink Buu saga feels forced ... Maybe it wasn't originally planned
One of the most minor things that just bugged me SO MUCH was the change in his appearance, ESPECIALLY his hair but not exclusively that. It made no sense for his hair to change. Not only was it not necessary but now kid trunks is just… there. With purple hair. I get that’s he not important so it doesn’t “really” matter but the fact still remains that only future trunks had his hair changed. Yes it makes more sense than purple, but his purple hair was iconic, it was so recognizable because it was distinct. And oh gosh what were they thinking with the scrawny body. Not even during his first appearance was trunks that small. And this is a character that you absolutely cannot say “oh maybe he didn’t have the will to train”, the man knows how valuable strength is, especially in his timeline where he’s a lone warrior. I thought it’s would be really cool to see trunks again, but I think I would’ve rather had just the memory of him in Z than have his character be ruined in super 😭.
With DragonBall there isn't really much of a link between muscle mass and strength. One didn't necessarily mean the other
The short answer to this, is that Toriyama's Trunks had blue hair. The anime colored it purple, which he had no part in. The proof of that is in his designs for DB BOG where his kid trunks also had blue hair.
@@LaneyTheOne true, it varies from character to character, but trunks was one of those characters that was built DIFFERENT
@@GeteMachine so why is kid trucks hair purple? Don’t try to make that excuse please😂
@@supersaiyanmel8352 because the anime did its own thing. Its like Vegeta when he first appeared, and he had red-ish hair and blue and orange suit. Or how Piccolo has 5 fingers in the anime while in the original story he had 4 fingers, or giving fingers to Super buu or kid buu whrn in the manga he just had mitten-like hands, the anime did its own thing sometimes. Sometimes they were corrected, sometime it wasnt corrected. I find it weird that the color of the hair bothers you, too.
Fun fact, Bulma in the manga is supposed to have purple colored hair, and then the anime made it blue. I guess toriyama must have said "okay... i guess blue hair it is. Then he goes out of his way to make her hair blue, and then gives trunks blue hair, but the anime decides to portray his hair as purple, which was the color intended for Bulma's hair in the first place.
I felt for the guy after his timeline was permanently erased by Future Zen-Oh. Trunks was supposed built up to be as the “Warrior of Hope” as he’s the sole defender of his planet.
I’ll also mention that his malnourished physique in Super may have something to do with the scarce amount of food (him and Mai had to munch on pet food), but it doesn’t affect his battle performance.
The only consolation he has is Mai, whom he may settle down with.
Mai, whose also older than Bulma. Either way, it's a win
He had no money for food but still forked out for a $30 hair cut
Mai is the reason everything went to shit for him. That witch is draining all his energy and good luck
@@BLACKSTA361 I mean in the manga the pilaf gang used the dragon balls to become young in future trunks timeline ( this was when the androids showed up)
@@BLACKSTA361 mai is the 2nd best thing to happen to future trunks wdym by that?
I loved the villain of goku black but I hated how the arc itself ended
Goku Black alone should have been it.
@@SaiyanScholar agree 👍
They should just never came up with the Imortality Thing and just let Zamasu Die when Trunks slashed him in half
@@SaiyanScholar he could have worked on his own well but the reveal of zamasu was cool
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 I didn't even get what they were thinking with that choice. Like... Okay so Zamasu isn't immortal, but he also... Is? Like, pick a lane and stick to it.
Future Trunks was about to have his potential unlocked, but then the threat of Babidi and Dabura happened.
plot... the crazy part is the sword still broke but since it was spat on by dabura i guess it didnt matter???? but they did trunks so wrong i hope they bring him back or at least tell us how the two trunks are doing
the only thing i can say was good was his power up! because i personally feel he should be stronger anyways especially because he was a ssj for longer! and despite not having a power up like gohan from the kai, goku didnt need one to defeat kid buu so he still could have been just as strong ykno? but i dont kno
Trunks' death was what turned Vegeta into being human.
It was the turning point, agreed.
The "normal" timeline has a litany of strong warriors who push each other to excel and be better, Trunks was pretty much alone in his. It would be ridiculous to me if he was on their level in that kind of environment. In combat sports too, your strength depends a lot on the strength of the people around you. Practice with weak people and you'll at most become stronger than the second strongest guy there, but the least strongest at a much higher level gym might still easily sweep you. Motivation alone is not enough.
Even then, in the manga, his SSJ2 was as strong as Goku SSJ3 even after having his God ki unlocked.
He never stopped getting stronger. At all.
i suppose
@@Xeno455 all the people who couldve helped him (or did help him at some point, like gohan and Supreme Kai) get stronger are either abscent or dead, even in the DBS continnuation
I refuse to believe he wouldn't ask Future Bulma to build him a gravity room and that he didn't pick up tips from Goku and/or Vegeta for training....
@@datboi9539 Its an apocaliptic world. There is a huge lack of resources. In super, I think the time machine takes about 1 week to charge up. In Trunks timeline, it takes 1 year of charging for 1 trip. Im sure making a gravity chamber would be just as hard to build with whatever they had and even more so to turn on and keep it functioning.
Trunks was a baby when everyone died. Goku gets his heart disease about the same time, then 6 months later, androids kill the rest of the fighters.
Now, what you can argue is King Kai not getting involved, either with contacting with namek dragon balls, or to have goku tell Trunks about the Time chamber, or have Goku use his one day out of other world to fight or something.
I still strongly believe that dbs trunks is from a different time-line. He's the only one with blue hair, his personality is totally different than either version of him, he isn't the lone survivor of the z fighters (if you count yajirobi), he has a weird unexplained transformation in super saiyan rage and his sword is totally different.
Nope it's the same one, toriyama admitted he forgot his hair color
@@advocateofkaos3246 just shows how whack toriyama is
@@Narekz I’m pretty sure he has serious memory issues man so watch ya mouth don’t act like he don’t got a huge team behind him
@@PatternLand point being? Don't defend a man that has nothing to do with you personally.
@@Majin_Fuu I was being sarcastic fool to toriyama does have a really bad memory and idk if ya noticed but he’s kind of old
Cell: LOOK AT ME IM TRUNKS. PLEASE LOVE ME DAD! See anyone can do it.
Trunks: That's a terrible impression.
Android 16: But not inaccurate.
Trunks: WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE??
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Love Tfs
Gohan's training was more like Gohan constantly being pushed out of his comfort zone, being encouraged, and then being rewarded with the respect and admiration of his mentors before doing it all over again.
Where Trunks was just beat down and demoralized over and over and over.
Plus seemingly being hated by his father (from his view) when meeting his father was the first thing he looked forward to in a long time.
That COULD be motivating for some, but much more likely messed with his potential till long after the events of the Cell saga.
Harsh title but it's true.
Yes.
@Saiyan Scholar I mean super trunks was a meh for me I wasn't in total discust I like the black ark it's not the best ark it's just there as it is but It was kinda intruding with the survival adventure of it.
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I loved, and I mean loved, how Trunks was always a "no nonsense" kinda character. He got s*** done, son.
In Super when Goku and Vegeta let Frieza destroy earth because they were giving him a final speech, Trunks from DBZ, wouldn't do that. No games. No small talk. No jokes. No showing off. No testing his limits. No pride. No letting the enemy get stronger just to have a better fight. He just cut right to the chase. And went for the kill. He didn't play with his food, if he was stronger, he immediately seized the means of production
When he faced the Androids and Cell back in his Timeline, he did it with boldness, bravery, toughness and confidence. A a hardened war veteran who also grew up in the most dangerous ghetto in the city, and also went to prison for fifty years and saw some s***.... That's how Trunks personality came across. Just a "you don't wanna mess with this guy, if you're a bad guy" type of man.
And that's the thing... In DragonBall Z, Trunks was a Man. In Super... They regressed him into a boy.
And that, is a disgrace. We will always remember Trunks, as the Veteran. As the warrior. As the gangsta hood Bro, that didn't mess around. Not as a scared, crying, skinny, hipster dressing, blue haired, little sissy boy
He's not full blooded sayian
A combat vet who grew up in the ghetto and went to jail for 50 years, what? Are you talking g about yourself?
@@jameshollister8294 hybrids have more potential lol watch z
Future Trunks in Z especially in movie 8 and the bojack movie was always my favorite badass character. With the Jacket the long hair and get jacked when he turned super saiyan is so unbelievably badass. Dragon Ball Super throw those away made Future Trunks look like a crybaby made me cringe honestly and they should’ve done so much better
Future Trunks in Super was the final nail on the coffin of me having confidence in the show. It was just dumb fun till then that I didn't care too much for nor hated but after that...just...no.
At the least, they could've ended it with Trunks win and letting him (and others) stay in the past. If you're going to erase his timeline at least keep him in the present story but noooooooooooooooooo
Money make people rush the product in which dumbs the quality of the of the product down. This saga made no sense and only watched it that one time straight through and only revisit my favorite moments. This bad writing make the Super Dragon Ball Heroes and Beyond Dragon Ball more valuable than the actual cannon fiction of the show. I've imagined better storytelling better in my head and was shaking it the most the time watching this saga and most the Super series.
Trunks WAS rocked up in the bojack movie 🎥 love those tournament scenes
This was FIRE! EPIC video as ALWAYS bro but this one hit HARD!
I hate how they destroyed trunks universe. When they did that, I feel like that destroyed his purpose which was to protect his friends, family, and home as its sole protecter. Now all of that is erased because of universal zamasu and the zeno button.
the fact that they turned no nonsense badass warrior into a whimp is a clear statement that they brought him back only for cheap cashgrab
trunks comes back to his time and knows that any future threat will be on him to defeat
babidi fails to resurrect majin buu and trunks...
stops training apparently... instead of arms capable of bending titanium he has wet noodles
instead of keeping his attitude he goes knees weak
and what does he do?
goes to past again but instead of going there to help or to prepare himself for the battle he goes to cry for help
and then in his own goddamn arc the moment of glory it was all for nothing zamasu is everything and dragon ball super fanbase gets sumoned to erase entire arc from hapening after it happened
Trunks was turned into a wimp the moment he gave up and just asked cell to kill him
Trunks never stopped training considering his ssj2 is as strong as ssj3 goku
Unless you’re saying that ssj3 goku isn’t even cell saga level
Kinda weird how no one give Him shit for getting knees weak against vegeta when cells trying to absorb 18, while trashing him for asking for help when he’s clearly outmatched after fighting him for months
@@sidecharacter3193 It really is. People look at his super design and then just throw all logic out the window.
@Adrian Scott Even Goku didn't have much of a personality change, in all seriousness.
Goku was always carefree until it came time to fight. Only difference now is, ever since he became a SSG, he's been extremely arrogant (as pointed out by Whis) so hes a bit more playful.
He still one of the best characters in the series and the very few that has common sense, aka not toying with your enemy. Also, even tho he doesn't have rage in the manga, I like that his SS2 form was as strong as "goku black arc," SS3 goku, at least we know SS2 trunks is above kid buu.... manga wise lol
I hope the future world trunks went to he sees that worlds trunks and mai get killed by dabura, and our future trunks then kills that dabura making there only be one trunks and mai
So ssj2=goku black goku black>ssj3 goku ssj2 trunks
@@Omnipulsar well SS2 goku never fought base goku black in the manga, SS vegeta fought SS goku black in the manga and was winning until black got a zenkai.
But you can make the argument that vegeta's base was a lot higher than gokus in the black arc manga
Majin Boo is still more powerful than a SS2 trunks. I'm not sure if Boo has a glass ceiling to his power.
@@LordMalice6d9 you mean buu in Z or super?
Or the two could fuse with their respective pair.
I 100% agree, blue hair on trunks was bullshit and failure to pay attention to details, he had purple hair before and present trunks has purple, and he was far weaker in super than cell saga, future trunks at cell saga could have curb stomped zamasu
I understand your sight of things, but let me explain, what I think, is the case:
You see, in Episode 61, Goku Black & Zamasu condemn Trunks for time travelling, for changing the history, because (from their perspective) only gods would be allowed to do that. Trunks clearly wanted to change things to be better, than what he had experienced in the past.
Trunks was indeed strong, but I think, he had that feelings of anger and guilt for a long time and to make it worse, those feelings were brought to him by an "evil version" of Goku, a person, who was originally supposed to be his friend and the final strike, that broke him completely, was, that he couldn't do anything against this foe, even, when using all his strength.
Trunks's problem was not his physical strength, but his (again) broken mentality due to his experiences with Goku Black in his timeline. Don't underestimate, what psychological torture can do to a physical strong being.
I also didn't get, why the writers chose to make his hair blue, but that honestly was no issue for me.
I literally act like DBS isn’t canon due to what they did to future trunks lol. One of my fav characters and they just brutally destroyed his entire being.
1:47 - 1:56 Trunks: "you think I'm a *nightmare* for my enemies??? You're wrong, *I am the true embodiment of fear for my enemies* "
Edit: Hands down I liked dbs future trunks only for his super saiyan rage because he shows that even a "crybaby" can become dangerous when he wants to
I felt like Z trunks ISN'T the same trunks as super trunks. Z trunks wouldn't have been as weak willed as super trunks was.
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about halfway through this video, I was thinking that the writers are scared of progression of any kind in dragon ball super constantly trying to remove any consequences from the series. when trunks came back to the past in dragon ball super they should have shown how he has really become his own man. I think that trunks and mei should have been married instead of just heavily implying that they like each other and leave it at that. I agree that he should have had a beard and should have acted more mature instead of running back to mommy and daddy to solve his problem for him. I think it should have been Trunks training to take down Goku black and not Vegeta. maybe trunks could have been the first super Saiyan 4 in dragon ball super. he could have had the kai's tell him about super Saiyan 4 and then use the dragon balls to get his tail back then maybe he can go to Vegeta to teach him how to control the oozaru transformation to complete his ascension to Super Saiyan 4. that would have been way better than what we got.
Too bad he was used and turned into worse version of cabba. Like what?? If you wanna see the real trunks then see the dragon ball z kakarot game. That's where the real trunks relies.
Good ol' History of Trunks
Kakarot has so many issues though. I want to like it but there’s a lot of annoying stuff. Lmao also retconning Piccolo blowing up the moon is just lame.
@@trjordan it is but the future arc is something to give the game credit for.
Dbs Episode 67 is a crime to the entire dragon ball franchise
So hoping for the story of Future Trunks to continue. He was literally the coolest character of the show and is still my favourite character. Super needs to bring him back.
As far as I know he's with the time patrol now that his timeline got nuked
@@CampanellaJ would have been a lot better if he stayed with Goku and company.
@Super Saiyan I think if that happened though like.
Dragon ball has plenty of forgotten characters. Toriyama has enough trouble juggling his cast besides goku and vegita, and he didn't even like vegita. Tien is one of my favorite characters and he's basically fallen off the map, the only Z fighter that is even relevant really is piccolo, and that's because he gave gohan a movie.
Toriyama is trying for sure, he's just bad at managing so many characters.
Though I'm honestly wondering if he's gonna give humans a bone or not. Like imagine if he liked Tien. Tien could actually train the next generation of humans which both are sorely over due.
Tldr: Trunks was going to be dropped no matter what choice he made
@@CampanellaJThat is not canon
@Ekisseht. ok, so what is? You can't just hit me with the "that's not canon" and then dip. Tell me if you know something i want to see it lol
i loved this video so glad to see ur subs getting so high uve always derserved it scholar.
Thank You, Sir. But you are the Subs! I'm just the video guy here. Thank you!
Super ruined everything for Trunks. For starters, he has the Ash Ketchum disease, he becomes too dependent on Goku and Vegeta, who couldn't even beat Black, his hair is the wrong color, and he gains a form that makes no sense. SSJ Rage? Should be something Gohan achieves. Trunks is supposed to be the defender of his timeline, yet he had to watch as his timeline got erased by a Stewie reject. This is NOT our Trunks.
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Absolutely love the intro of the video. For many years Future Trunks was my favorite fictional character.
Great story
Keep rockin bro
YOUR INSIGHT ON TRUNKS IS SPOT ON!!!
OMG HALLUSSA TWIN'S HERE ! lmao dream come true to see u both collaborate on a project
This reminds me I'm not over what they did with my boy trunks. 🤦🏾♂️
When Future Trunks came back in the Android Saga, I thought Vegeta was gonna welcome him with open arms because he killed Frieza.
We can all just pretend DBSuper trunks Is from alternate Universe
The only way we can sleep at night 😮💨
If Goku Black met Z Future Trunks, his eyes would explode due to the badassery that Z Trunks emits.
The long purple hair, and the giant muscles. Goku Black would know it would be a bad idea to fight him!
Goku Black would sneeze and wipe out Z Trunks. DBS Trunks was a SSJ2 and couldn't even keep up with him.
@@enterthekyuubi It was a fucking joke....
Learn how to take one....
@@Sawdog-vw6gz Jokes are suppose to be funny though. 😐
The first time I seen Trunks in DBS, I was very disappointed with the way he was portrayed, you would think after Z he would get development, but no, instead he is portrayed as this very emotional cry baby with so many ridiculous moments of asspulls, You would think after so many years pass Trunks would at least aged and gotten a lot bigger, but instead he de aged and looks a lot thinner, it is absolutely pathetic how Dragonball Super is turning out, I seriously want to like this series, but there is so many flaws for me to even care anymore.
Explain your point
@@theoracle2761 Who is "every one?" I seen better stories, that handled trauma better than this, and plenty of characters had their entire family and friends killed, and gone through a lot worse than Trunks, they didn't turn into emotional cry babies, I swear DBS fans these days cannot conceptualize actual good story writing, but they like to make up pathetic excuses to defend shit writing, That reminds me, Jiren lost his entire family and they were all killed, but you don't see him turn into an emotional cry baby like DBS Trunks. lol
@@PrincessZelda2020
Didn't Jiren throw a hissy fit and attack Goku's friends in the stands when he started losing?
@@Wiki1184 Did you see him crying and dropping tears and giving up hope? Jiren throwing a hissy fit and attacking Goku's friends when he started losing is something I expected to happen at at some point.
@@PrincessZelda2020 bruh,I think having your whole entire timeline erased and having to live with a copy of yourself is pretty much up there in the no. 1 stop of bad things that could happen to you
Ur videos are good
Thank you Sir!
Great Video ever since Future Trunks came back in super I wanted him to have influenced his past or younger self I guess I really liked his bad ass attitude he gave during Z but maybe I'm asking to much
18:48 "...he should have been portrayed much stronger..."
I disagree because instead of having the luxury to hone his fighting skills like other Z fighters, Trunks had to literally become a civil engineer and rebuild his whole city from rubble.
I'd argue he'd try to balance that out with everything given time due to being as far as we are aware of the only defender of earth
He didn't have to. There were other people who could rebuild the city even if maybe not as well. He was literally the only option as a fighter. It does seem pretty clear which he should have focused on.
@@Aquilenne Nah, he learned plenty engineering, evidenced by the fact he apparently learned the Spirit Bomb intuitively. After all, literally no one, not even Jiren could defeat universal Zamasu except Zeno.
No
Wait a minute I thought his favorite hobby aside from fighting was literally tinkering with machines , which means that it's something that he usually likes doing in his free time. So I'm pretty sure he wasn't forced into doing engineering. And I like how despite Future Trunks and present trunks being the same person, they have very little in common.
Loving the legacy of Goku 2 background music
13:19 This isn't a criticism or correction, it's just something I wanted to elaborate on. I agree that 16's speech and death was Gohan's trigger, but there's also something to be said about WHY it was his trigger, and was so effective. The reason is this: It was all a matter of psychology and philosophy. Gohan was mentally holding himself back through his sense of moral duty. He saw Cell, and every other villain he had faced up to that point, as living beings. Living beings with a right to life. He was pacifistic, and couldn't bring himself to kill. Even if it meant protecting others, his mentality was to find another solution. Plead with them if necessary, beg them to stop.
16 told him something very specific. Something that broke down these mental barriers and caused him to stop holding himself back. He told Gohan basically that he's right about life being truly precious, but it's for that very reason that it's not wrong to kill those who seek to kill others and can't be reasoned with. He doesn't need to hesitate against a monster like Cell with no respect or regard for others lives. This message alone wasn't enough, what drove the point home was Cell providing the additional push by killing the helpless 16 on the spot for absolutely no good reason, crushing him underfoot simply because he was tired of listening to him.
It was in that moment that it finally got through to him what those words meant. Gohan's unwillingness to kill Cell was replaced with a sense of justice for those Cell had killed, and who he continued to threaten. Cell was a bully, and Gohan finally resolved himself to make him pay with his life. With his mental barriers holding him back demolished, the power was finally able to flow freely, surging out as though through a broken dam.
This is what Trunks was lacking in the Cell saga. He probably did have the same potential, or maybe even a far greater one. However, what he lacked was the trigger to break down his mental barriers and let that power flow freely. Trunks is a different person than Gohan, with a different world view and general philosophy. What worked for Gohan wasn't going to work for Trunks, and because his condition hadn't been met to change his world view to one that would allow his power to flow, the Super Saiyan 2 form remained locked to him.
The general theme around Super Saiyan at the time was that it was the power of the pure hearted. Individuals like Vegeta may be able to unlock the transformation and use it to bully others, but the form itself wasn't what granted it's true power. What made Goku so strong on Namek against Freeza, and then later what made Gohan so strong against Cell wasn't the Super Saiyan form or Super Saiyan 2 form by itself. It was the sense of justice in their hearts that strengthened their resolve and motivated them to fight at their absolute best, without holding anything back. To let the power flow freely for the sake of those they cared about, and everyone who had been wronged by the tyrants standing before them.
All of this is too true, love it. When's episode 3 of your Z power scaling series coming out?
Just realized that Future Trunks with a pony tail has a similar silhouette to Zarbon.
I absolutely love how your videos get me thinking and seeing things in a different light. I had no idea about the connection of Zamasu to Lucifer and Future Trunks to Michael, that segment was very fascinating.. Thanks for making the content you make, good sir.
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Yeah, future trunks' ending being his world being destroyed and him having to go to an alternative dimesion to never be seen again is an absolute gut punch and the worst dbs had to offer, its like the writters didnt have any idea of what to do with the story so they just rolled with it and used the first thing they came up with.
Ok who else thinks Gogeta v Zamasu should of happened for the reasons that Zamasu used potara a godly item that fuses people and the fusion dance is mortal technique would’ve made more sense and well if they wanted Vegito in the story put him in the Broly Movie and also the serious Fusion Reborn Gogeta v Zamasu so well we wouldn’t suffer aby retcon as well the rules of the dance os the same as the movie and Vegito v Broly could’ve been awesome but I digress love both fusions but Ssj4 Gogeta is supreme 😃🐒
The struggle of everyone becoming a super sayian. Trunks losing everyone he cared about, vegeta filled with rage training harder than anyone has ever done, goku the last sayian the loss of his best friend. Then u6 sayians transform with a tingly feeling in their back....
The Goku Black storyline is a spit on the face of Future Trunks.
It doesn’t matter. He went back to his time and cut down 17, 18, and Cell way faster than any of the Z Fighters
Neat vid! Liked the end the most (ofc with tears in my eyes). Though ONE small note to consider: the entire Saga in DBS about Trunks was to make Whis ask him to sacrifice himself and Mai to save ALL and EVERYHING else. In the end of DBS Future Trunks Arc he did become what we all wished since Gohan ate that horse, a hero.
Trunks's timeline being erased is the ultimate failure because trunks failed to protect his world even though it was dues ex machina the Goku black saga should have ended with the spirit sword slaying zamasu
Super really screwed him over BIG TIME! From his design, all the way to how the arc ended with his timeline which we all wanted to see him save got completely erased and he was just a whiny bitch the whole time in my opinion. Not to mention that stupid rage form was completely out of nowhere!
I think seeing a Potara Trunks fusion would look sick. Just with the Earrings alone
I rewatched the goku black arc with my little brother last night i was thinking to myself Trunks had such better ending in z Defeated the androids and Restoring peace to his time i mean was it really necessary to make this boy suffer again after a childhood of hell leave this boy alone super please just let him be happy
Long story short trunks ending in z is still better then his super ending
Agreed however the Buu stuff makes sense and follows the series’ logic
the buu stuff i can live with but going through the same character arc again Against a A god wanna be was really not Necessary
Honestly in retrospect, pretty much every single saga in Super exists to sell merch. Especially the Tournament of Power. There's some effort to do good writing, but it's strictly second to doing whatever necessary to sell merch. Gotta pump out as much fan service, new forms, etc. as possible so it can be sold as a figurine or on a shirt or as a nightlight or whatever else they can think of to sell. Fans want new transformations? Here, have Super Saiyan again but now it has blue hair. Fans want returning characters back? Here, have Trunks but he has blue hair. And a new transformation that looks cool. Here, have a new version of Broly (though honestly he's actually pretty well written in), Here, have Freeza with the power to transform into an emmy. Fans want female Super Saiyans? Here, have a female Broly and a female Saiyan who's sole purpose in the story is to seek out higher levels of Super Saiyan through a tingly back and just wanting it really really bad. Fans want strong new villains? Here, have an evil Goku. Don't forget to buy 50 shirts with all this stuff slapped on them.
Super has a lot of hype surrounding it as it comes out and in the buildup to new content like the upcoming movie, but aside from the Broly movie it ends up largely feeling pointless in retrospect. It lacks the heart and soul of the series from before. I generally like it more than GT, but even GT did better than Super in regards to having this quality, in spite of the worse writing until near the end.
We need like 3 more videos of this 😔 R.I.P OG trunks
I don't mind the blue hair sence I tell myself that he probably dyed it, but I love Future Trunks from DBZ. I even had a bit of a crush on him growing up (since he was cuter than the new one) but seeing the new Future Trunks, it's just heartbreaking. Like you said, he went being independent that traveled back in time to hang out and help out and being to stand for himself when his timeline needed him, to being a baby that needs to be bottle fed like all that training went out the window. I'm seriously hoping the new Trunks is from a different timeline
Everyone fails in that convoluted mess of a Goku Black saga. It's such a waste of time and potential. The timeline was erased by Zeno and the conclusion was moot. Everyone who died, no longer exist in any way, shape, or form. Even the Afterlife was erased from existence. Future Trunks' timeline literally turned into a Linkin Park lyric, because "In the end...it doesn't even matter."
What could've been was reduced to merely "the SSJ Swordsman"... (sigh) tragic. His shirt was kinda cool I guess. Well said, Scholar & thanks for another great video! 👊😎👍
Gohan also got his potential unlocked on namek.
Dragonball Super will NEVER be Dragonball Z and I can agree with most of what he's saying about Trunks in Super. With that said I was just happy to see Future Trunks again, he's one of my favorite characters due to what he's endured and overcome. He's become a main character that can stand on his own due to his story. But he's not the only character that got destroyed by Super. Vegeta can't get back most of his pride after all these clown comedy scenes he's been in. But yeah Dragonball Super overall is definitely aggravating. Especially with all these God transformations and bullshiting the origins of Super Saiyan power levels. I prefer GT.🤔
This arc is where I lost all hope for DB Super. Before then I was excusing it with them having tight deadlines, and that they were remaking the movies, etc. I was exciting to return to the darker, more mature tone set by the original future Trunks' timeline. And then the rest of the arc happened. Ugh.
I like to think that future trunks from z just stayed in him timelime because he was a bad ass and the super future trunks is from a timeline we never saw but instead of killing the Androids the brought goku with him to kill them for him so he never grew but new goku could solve his problems
Future Trunks and everyone else should have been permanently killed off like the writers originally planned to do in his timeline during the goku black arc but the writers got cold feet on following through with doing that because there would have been a massive storm of backlash on the ending since future trunks is a fan favorite character.
I personally would have been mad too but loved the choice overall. Modern Dragonball needs to have permanent consequences to their deathmatch fights sometimes at the expense of modern fan appeal. It makes the anime more complete and worth watching when popular anime fan favorites actually and permanently die off. Plus seeing the aftermath of those decisions about fighting stronger opponents in the remaining characters left alive just for the love of battle.
If future trunks and everyone outside of goku, vegeta, and those necessary to the overall DB Super storyline would have died permanently at the end of the goku black arc, that would have been a chef's kiss of perfection for modern Dragonball.
I intentionally avoided DBS like the plague. Everything I heard reminded me of Disney Star Wars: a remorseless nostalgia bait to get new fans while disrespecting the legacy of what came before in DBZ. Future Trunks is perhaps my 3rd favorite character from Z, his dystopian timeline was the first time I ever experienced dystopia in fiction, so it was very meaningful. So later hearing about how they destroyed Future Trunks pretty much sealed the deal for me, I was never going to watch Super. This Blue Trunks is not Future Trunks, he is some other character. Future Trunks is still in his timeline, having his best life as the protector of his Earth.
what DBZ game are you using for some of the footage?
Ya gotta love Future Trunks👏🏾
They dropped di ball on trunks
the blue haired trunks was from a similar but different timeline... idc what anyone says! 😂😂😂
Trunks' character changed from "Light of Will Power" to "Light of Omni-King Button", I guess?
I would been awesome if trunks trained the next generation of fighters in his timeline
I'll never forgive what super did to my favorite character future trunks!
i just think saiyans shouldn’t be scrawny at least the U7 ones which is why i don’t like how Trunks muscle mass and height regressed compared to the cell saga, even the hair length was cool
Future Trunks timeline was like hell even before you die
What if when Akira toriyama was writing and releasing dbz he told the original timeline with future trunks, had him go back in time, and then followed the new timeline? Who knows how people would have reacted to it but in hindsight it sounds really dope
Why they could just leave Future trunks alone ? Just brought him back to make his life more miserable, he already lost most of the people close to him when he was just a baby, lost the only person that could understand him as a half saiyan ( Gohan) and his timeline is a mess, not even going back in time could fix it, all he could do was get stronger to protect whats left. Then they bring him back just to spite in his face for all his efforts in cell saga and take everything else from him all just for nostalgia. The whole him learning the spirit bomb and getting a random powerful out of nowhere is another story but the way how the writers mess up his life even more is what bothers me the most.
I wish Trunks had come back for the Buu saga, that he had someway to contact the main timeline and could help the guys when needed. He is a completely different character to Kid Trunks and had a lot to offer. In general, I wish him and Gohan had done more together, since they have such a special bond, it's only natural they should be closer, Gohan could look to him as a cool big brother and they could have fought together against Cell or something.
I agree Trunks was always my favorite character idk what they were thinking
Future Trunks is my favorite character and I agree with a lot of the points on how they screwed up his character in Super here, I hate it too. But in fairness in regards to SSJRage, i'm pretty sure that is just an official name for his ultra form, since the grading system has been retconned.
I wonder what Trunks DBZ debut felt like at the time it played for the first time.
The more I grow up, the more I realize that DBZ is not on the same level story and character wise compared with other anime
It never was.
Yeah super doesn't hype me up like Z used to. Maybe it's my age, but the writing is much more like modern anime, there's is no brutality or push for characters other than vegeta and Goku really. The moment that got me hyped up the most was when Gohan powered up again freeza. Yes, that moment disappointed me the most too.
Trunks is one badass who gave Time travel arcs meaning in DBZ it sucks that super demolished him but maybe we can give trunks a chance in some way
“And the writing” is basically it.
I think it's important to remember that Trunks, being a war orphan from an apocalyptic time, would have never been able to match the nutritional intake that Chi-Chi and Goku would have supplied Gohan with, and Gohan growing up as the son and student of Goku and his ex Piccolo would likewise present an insurmountable benefit for someone like Trunks, who is probably Gohan's near exact equal in potential had he ever been graced with the diet and lifestyle of a universe-level fighter from birth like Gohan got.
The real question is what the hell are the two copies of trunks and Mai doing in that timeline they were transported to? Recreating their favourite duels? Watching the TOP on their TimeLine TV?
Trunks is by far the most compelling character in all of DB. His story is just as tragic if not more tragic than Goku's, and he perseveres through impossible odds, through the help of others, just as Goku does (primary ex: spirit bomb). I've always wanted a Trunks focused anime, and his arc in Super is the closest thing we got. I was extremely grateful we got that arc, and Zamasu was a great villain. Seeing Trunks take on Zamasu and Black was incredible, considering the fact he could only go SS2. I would kill to see a SS4 Trunks one day. And a SS4 Gotenks. I doubt they'll add SS4 to Super, since canonically GT is after Super, but maybe Future Trunks COULD be the one to break that limitation, and we can see a side story where Trunks DOES go SS4, and has to fight some insane threat.
No matter what people try to argue, GT is canon, and SS4 is canonically stronger than SSB, and that's a fact.
I thought Super and GT were different continuities?
@@Wiki1184 Nope, that's just a theory...A GA-...bad theory. 🤦
People don't understand the concepts of canon, continuity, and multiverses, so it's easier for most to invent their own definitions. Toriyama has ultimate say over what's canon or not, and he's repeatedly called GT canon. He's also introduced a multiverse so that all stories can be canon.
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That's what I mean by "different continuities". They're different universes/timelines. GT doesn't fit in the same timeline as Super due to a lot of contradictions.
GT is canon but it's a very bad series. Every arc involving Future Trunks(DBZ/DBS) is agonizing to watch in my opinion. He's my least favorite character in the series
Future trunks is a warior. And I he is my favorite character.. The emotional, love, sacrifice everything can be seen in trunks history.. Although the goku Black arc make me no sense it was really great.
Vegeta isnt a training partner. Vegeta was a sparring partner
I feel like i mostly watch these videos to enjoy the LoG2 music