Yamaha TMAX review | 2022 super scooter
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- čas přidán 31. 07. 2024
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The Yamaha TMAX super-scooter isn’t going to be for everyone, but to dismiss it - like so many do - as being ‘just a scooter’ is to miss out on one of the most versatile machines on the road. It really is a true all-rounder.
First launched in 2001, the TMAX is in its eight generation, with over 350,000 sold worldwide. 85% have gone to homes in Europe and the UK, though the biggest market is Italy, with a 37% share of that chunk. France accounts for 34% of those sold, while Spain has 14% and the rest of Europe has the remaining 15%. It’s no secret that the UK takes just a fraction of these, which is why we only get the top-spec Tech Max version.
But have British riders been missing out? I rode just over 100 miles on the launch to experience the new model, on a variety of routes from city streets to motorways, and mountain passes to tight farmland tracks. And I’ve also spoken to several owners to find out why they keep buying TMAXs once they’ve given one a go…
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Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:49 Yamaha TMAX price (not JUST a scooter)
01:18 TMAX engine, power, torque & seat height
01:34 Seat height
02:33 TMAX changes for 2022 - screen, headlight, sat-nav & more
04:00 Convenience of a TMAX
04:40 Why owners love the TMAX
05:50 Behind the scenes
#Yamaha #TMAX #TMAXTest - Auta a dopravní prostředky
T-max / super-scooters are very specific in the UK. If you commute daily you will already know about the benefits of scooters. Super scooters only work IF your commute is motorways plus city. I have been commuting 30,000 plus miles year into London. For the last 5 years... All of it was on a Super Scooter. They are actually brilliant & cheap for exactly that task
At roughly 5.5l/100km they're still quite thirsty - even slightly more than my previous ST1300 - which is strange for an engine that's less than half the size. My current PCX150 is super economical at 2.25l/100km, but unfortunately too small for the freeway.
Check out the full review, with more owner opinions here: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bikes/yamaha/tmax-tech-max-2022-review
Nice! Some will always dismiss scoots but for keeping commuting miles off my bikes there’re still fun beyond the city. Thanks for sharing the behind the scenes!
I have found that I enjoy Scooters more than traditional motorcycles. I currently have a Suzuki Burgman 400 and a Honda Monkey. I have way more fun on them than I did on the BMW 1200RT and Honda CB1100 that I had previously.
Scooters are definitely fun. People shouldn’t be comparing them to motorcycles. I have both.
As a disabled rider with very bad legs, I had a test ride yesterday, and bought one today👍 hope to collect it next week😎
Enjoy my friend.👌
You could have gotten a rebel, lower seat height and almost same features
And cpuld have costed much less
@@raenah8882 I didn’t want a rebel I wanted a TMax. 7000 miles now and it’s been perfect for me.
A young friend who is used to riding large KTM adventure bikes bought a Tmax. I teased him and called it a Lambretta. However, he could really make it shift on the twisty mountain roads here on the Costa Del Sol. We swapped bikes for a bit one day up in the mountains, and I have to say I was very impressed,even though it had about 30 to35 bhp less than mine. The only serious downside I found was the seating position didn't allow me to stand up over bumpy bits of road.
He loved the bike. Except that it proved unreliable and needed quite a few jobs doing on it. So now he has moved on.
really, really good review !! As someone who's been riding for well over 30 yrs I appreciate the perspective this guy presents.....and he's right, these things are proper naughty in the right hands!
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
Thanks for the honest review!
Nice. I intend to order one of these next week.
great review, thanks!
I love my Tmax 560 tech max and i have one of these on order i also have a gt900 it is a great bike , i love the Tmax it is absolutely superb and so different to the GT. So keep an open mind shame they are not easy to try out!
I had lots of Bikes in my life, including some very hot supersports, but..... It's the fourth T-Max I own, and I think I'll buy the 2022 version too. It's fun, and practical. You can peel ears on the ground and the next day go shopping and come at home with 4 bags. Besides, used value is very good, and You can count on that.
I had a 2012 T-Max. What a wonderful bike. A better motorcycle than many A2 'real' motorcycles (cough, Honda CB500, cough) and just a great all around ride. I admire Yamaha for keeping this bike going and continually improving it. I sold it and wish that I hadn't.
I miss mine dearly. Swapped mine from for a BMW K1600 Bagger because I wanted more touring/cruising capability and regretted it. It’s the Swiss Army knife of bikes and scooters. I’m saving up for another. I’d like 80-90bhp but I’m dreaming.
Warmest winter commuting I've ever had was on a scooter like this (burgman) previously was on a VFR and it was freezing cold.
On two wheels you mean 😉
Nice ride 👌 👍. Thanks for sharing 👍 😀
decided not to upgrade my Ducati monster 796 .. but instead become a two bike owner !! , brought a Xmax 300 use it every day for work , or if the Mrs wants a ride out , with the back rest fitted , she loves going on the back , says its so comfortable . can fit two full face helmets under the seat and a jacket ! its just fun and easy . i will say though i did fit Ohlins suspension to the rear , and a set of Bridgestone Battlax tyres !!! what a difference . Maxi's are great fun and just a different way of enjoying two wheels .
Excellent! So good to hear from open-minded riders. Cheers, John
I have just got a suzuki burgman 400, been riding bikes for years, wish I had done it years ago love it.
Nice review John. With great respect - if you've got the screen so high that you're actually looking through it, can I sugest that's just too high..? I raise the screen so that I'm looking over the top, but still free from wind buffeting.
I agree, but some people do like it that way! Cheers, John
I'm on my second Xmax 300 in southeast Virginia, I want a Tmax 560 , they took Tmax away in USA in 2018. Dang it all. 😕
Thanks so much for your review. I keep hovering over pressing the button on one of these. I can't quite seem to do it, but that's more to do with physical garage space than anything else.
My friends will confirm I'm a bit of a tart when it comes to bikes, and I do tend to gravitate toward the 'Super' end of the motorcycle genre, but despite outward appearances I do give consideration to what's out there and what actually might make sense for me.
It's only a matter of time (and the aforementioned storage area) before I get one of these. My biggest fear is that I'll love it so much I'll never ride my other bikes! The tech, convenient storage, comfort and general package is appealing to me; although I must say that going from my usual bikes to an impromptu test ride of this model did feel a bit alien at first.
I'm currently going through an uncharacteristic sensible patch - perhaps due to being ever nearer to the big '50'; selling my track-only 2016 R1, yet another MT-10 (my fifth...... don't ask!), my Panigale V4 and 2019 RSV4-RF. I've even got an Anniversary R7 on its way - now that's an interesting bike too. I suspect part of this rationalisation will include the T-Max at some point, and it will be a welcome, much used, addition.
All the best, Ed
If you have a max for 1 week you won’t go back they are brilliant
Interesting bit of footage at the end. Never thought there’s a guy on a trailer, brave
👌 nice bridge aswell
I love scooters as they are so practical abd great in urban environments. This looks fun but £12.5k not a chance. Ive got a Vespa 300gts and a Xmax400 and love them both and could buy both new for less than the TMax......
Agree, for a longer distances is a maxi scooter too boring, but for up to around 30km it is the best and 300-400cc scooter can do it too for much less money.
What's the Xmax 400 like? Cheers.
@@life_in_the_wild2573 Identical to the 300 with a little more speed.
@@VegitoBlackityBlack the 300 is better in every way
@@life_in_the_wild2573 xmax 400 a good all round bike I've had 2 still got I its a hard act to follow half the price of the tmax but the tmax not twice the bike will keep my 400 xmax
I luv my Kymco 350, add a top box , an amazing all rounder,all day into the night 🌙 .
I’m just looking for 60 bhp in a lightweight adventure bike. Couple midsized panniers and I’m good.
I've tried automatic 'Twist n Go' scooters and never felt comfortable on them because it doesn't feel like I have as much control without a clutch lever, gears with a neutral position. Also the small wheel size made the bike feel really unstable (although I see the TMax has slightly larger wheels, they are not full size) and the seating position just doesn't suit me at all. I don't want to be sat on my coccyx with my arms and feet out in front and my back arched, I'd be crippled after an hour in that position !
The only thing I like about that bike is the locking stand, that's a really good idea, not difficult to bypass but it's a bonus.
Because you never learnt how to slow ride using your back brake
Wouldn’t have one myself but there is definitely a market for it. It’s not awful looking but it’s over 12 grand. 😀 that said if Michael neeves owns one that’s a recommendation in itself
Been riding oved 10 years ...owned many and ridden many bikes..own a Z750 and bought an xmax 400 few months ago...Go to places on the xmax out and about with the wife...its just so practical and in traffic i can keep up with bigger bikes no problem 😂. Love it..never thought i would get one but its soo practical
Simply smart and equipped amazing maxi scooter!
Waiting for something like this in my country
Love my M1100 and Vespa S150!
Would Misters Neeves and Oxley have bought one of these if Honda's Forza 750 had been available at the time though ?
Had a 750 forza, good bike but more motorcycle than scooter
Why is the Tmax 560 (EU 15,699) more expensive than the XADV 750 (EU 12,600) and the Forza 750 (EU 11,990)? Doesn't add up.
i will buy a tmax before 2023
It’s just sucks that these don’t make it to the US. The mindset here is changing more and more and there’s some great maxi scooters on the market but we don’t get them
I have an xmax 300 and I would love to upgrade to a Tmax but living in London it’s I m too scared it would be stolen super quick. Great review and fantastic maxiscooter.
Your 300 is very knickable too
I actually wanted to get one these last time I changed, what stopped me was that seat. At 6'2" I found that extra bolster behind the coccyx gave me a properly dead arse after 30 mins, so I'm a tad too big for that version and I suspect it'll be the same for this new model, based on what it looks like. Didn't have any of that on the X-ADV which is it's nearest competition I guess?
Same here. Ex TMax owner now with a Forza 750.
@@robertmarsh3588 I'd forgotten they'd done the Forza 750 recently, that's such a logical move isn't it, the X-ADV always seems quite niche to me (although they have been a sales hit in Europe). Honda are on a roll at the moment when it comes to making derivatives off a core bike. Feels like they're taking a leaf out of Yamaha's book.
I looked at this model but ultimately went for the xmax 300 which is lighter, and you can tour on it. trmax is a great scooter though.
Took to these after years on Ducatis and BMWs amongst many conventionals. Would be the last to go from my collection and you forgot Agostini!
Cool TFT and joystick; why don't they use those bits on their bikes e.g. Tracer GT and new MT-10?
Would likely add too much to the cost of those. It certainly differentiates it as a premium bike.
Thanks God I will buy one for myself
Really nice bike but the price!! I picked up a fully specced 2nd hand Africa Twin Adventure Sports with full luggage set and Arrow titanium exhaust for less!
The screen still doesnt move alot. The Burgman 400 is the way to go for about 8 G's.
Sorry but I did switch off the moment you mentioned £12500. I've owned (not at the same time) 2 Vespa 125s, a Honda Forza 125 and currently a Honda Monkey 125 (all new).
I'm happy paying that sort of money (around £4000) for a recreational scooter/bike but never £12500.
It's the best, most practical motorcycle ever. Goes, handles and brakes like a motorcycle. Stores your goodies and keeps the weather off you and is comfortable like no other.
Been riding bikes for 51 years and 6 years ago bought the 530 , it’s was great where I lived ( iow) but then took it over to the mainland, dual carriageways and then motorways , it’s was a nightmare . Over 60 mph it’s was like driving a barn door , not for me , went back to a tracer 900 gt , 😊😊👍👍
How strange I have the xmax 300 it will sit at 80 mph all day completely stable and you struggled with the superior max! Don’t believe it!!!
I have been riding bikes for 69 years and my last bike was an Enfield interceptor, a nice bike. I'm now on my 85th time around the sun and I love riding but as I have aged I have lost the strength I had when I was younger. Parking the Enfield in my garage the bike got a little out of balance and it could have fallen. So I sold it and bought a Yamaha Tricity 300 for one reason the stand-alone mechanism. Although it is 40kg heavier it is more manageable and easy to park having a low center of gravity. I have become a scenic rider and the Tricity ticks all the boxes. It is so easy to ride and sticks to the road very well. Recently Yamaha has ordered a recall to disconnect the Stand-alone mechanism due to the stand-alone not disconnecting when riding away. The reason most riders use it is at the traffic lights they don't put their feet down, I tried it and didn't like it so I don't use it in that way. Use only for manual pushing it around in the garage it is so easy. So mine has not been disconnected. All these new design scooters are cross-overs with many motorbike features. But let's face it they are not a motorbike but an alternative way of traveling that is similar.
I have lived in Perth Western Australia for the last 42 years and 9 months of the year is almost perfect motorcycling weather. The best part is you can ride from Perth in winter up north a couple of thousand kays and be in summer again all in the same state of Western Australia. One of my favourite places is Exmouth with the Ningaloo Reef close to the beaches and 320 sunshine days a year. Perfect for riding.
A tricity is nothing like a tmax 500 I've got cbx1000....a ctx1300..and owned a tmax 500..amazing...scooter upto 50mph then becomes amazing...fabulous brakes amazing handling...perfect auto gearbox...only sold it because couldn't tour on it as it couldn't take weight of 2 and luggage....if you want a scooter that's stands up buy a piaggio 3 wheeler amazing handling....press a switch and steering locks front end...no STAND NEEDED...enjoy riding till you can...
Loved my TMax but had to sell as it caused too much pain with pressure on my coccyx and ultimately lower back. It is no use having a bike I can only ride for 30 mins. At 6ft1, that seat hump was just in the wrong place for me.
This latest model looks great. Sad we can't have the yellow one, and despite the equipment list, £12.5k is too much for what is a very underpowered bike compared to the Honda 750s. Why do Yamaha only offer an A2 version? I now have a Forza 750, and it is far better machine for out of town work, faster and torquier, especially with a pillion.
What do you think about the xmax 300? Better price and fast enough.
So you covered 100 miles like wowowowowow. Not. When I collected my new 560 TMax Tech Max I rode her almost 1000 miles home in 2 days. I traded in a 530 DMax and the 560 is even better with an amazing chassis which manages to leave many bigger motorbikes in the shade. GREAT bike!!!!
Good review.👍🏼Thanks. I think it’s Nice and complete But not cheap.😎
Thanks! All the best, John
Looks and sounds good . If you use it for touring where do you put the luggage ? I had a650 Burgman with 50 litres of luggage space under the seat and a 20 litre top box . Toured all over Europe . Only a day out at the seaside on this thing
You can get a top box for this too, so it's doable. Cheers, John
I think yamaha made the choice of giving the tmax a slimmer butt compared to something like the burgman which to a lot of people, looks like a small whale.
The tmax also uses an advanced rear suspension with the engine and cvt mounted towards the middle of the bike and an independent rear swing arm that gives the bike a more motorcycle like ride.
I wish one of these reviews would discuss how the engine, cvt and rear suspension function on the tmax. Same setup used on kymco AK 550, BMW 600 scooter, I think Piaggio and peugeot makes something similar too.
Yes,i wish Honda would use the NT1100/Africa Twin engine in a Super scooter,with belt drive,way to go,please
HOW Much! Just get a Honda NC750X DCT, save 4K and still have somewhere for the helmet.
The yamaha can store 2 helmets and a lot of other stuff.
There's me thinking you had one of them GoPro Sticks :D
The bike (or scooter) GS riders should actually be looking at
Thumbnail: THE BEST “BIKE” YOU’LL EVER RIDE
Whole motor cycle community: YOU ARE GOD THEM RIGHT
Oh, the wind noise! 😉
Ha!
The new front end is growing on me but I still like the old ones more. Especially the iron max, that was pure sex
Yamaha tmax
You have been going for so many years!!!!! 500cc/560cc
People in Japan 🇯🇵.
Were in 2022
Honda forza 750
Bmw c650/
Honda silverwing 600
Suzuki burgman 650
Discontinued!!!!
Gilera gp 800!!!
Aprilia srv 850!!!!
Just bring out the tmax max 1000cc.
We don't want to wait till
2030
l was looking at getting one but changed my mind due to going over 400cc on a scoot has diminishing returns plus the fact you can buy a faster and more agile "bike" for half the cost, you can almost buy an R6 for crying out load.
the main reason for the maxi's to exist is for storage and comfort and the tmax only has the comfort because the storage is no bigger than the biggest of the small non maxi's
tmax is a waste of time and money
if you want storage get an xmax or burgman
if you want performance get a motorbike
if you need an auto but want performance while still being worth the cost then get one of the new auto honda's. or a honda cub if performance is not an issue
12K for less than 50bhp! How has this happened?
HD's been doing it for decades, this has handling, braking and comfort as well, you can have all your teeth and wear a normal tshirt.
Love how these types of big bore scoots make bikers almost apologetic and insecure when they are talking about the positives of these bikes hahaha, hey its OK to say are fun and cool, sure it's no r6 or Duke... But it's a weird consept apparently today that something different to all the extremes can still be awesome... These types have gotten a whole ton of development and design in the last few years, like the Honda forza and the new Sym. These are fantastic and super practical every day bikes and on the wekend if you want your exreme pull out the panegale or the hypermotard
I could have sworn I saw "the scooter you'll never have...." maybe because I'm American and I know this 2022 is not sold here. I have a 2015 Tmax and it was the last year it was sold in America.
12500 for a scooter. not a chance. RS660 is 10 grand.
Sadly not available in "murica.
Sir why only 7 minutes please make more minutes please becasue i willy like this Scooter
I'd happily add one to my lottery-wining garage. Haven't won yet, though!
scary money for 50BHP!
I would rather buy the 750X. It has auto gears too. Plus more storage, plus more power, plus bigger wheels for more comfort and the price is £8k. I mean, that's almost FIVE GRAND difference 🤭
Like the word THURST 😳😳👍🏻
These big scooters just don't get brought in to the US~ If they did I would buy one today.
I really like riding so called super scoots, but unfortunately the two I’ve owned, when trying to part exchange them even at main dealers they don’t want to know or give you a very poor valuation, and a poor excuse why too! Ok if you plan to keep it forever I suppose.
Shame that the Kymco AK550 is better value for money and has great buttons instead of that wowful toggle thing on the T mAx. Love my Kymco!
Rossi has one, he knows shit from cheese. Fastest thing you need from A to B but a bit hard on the arse for 250 mile days on a motorway. I've had 4 super scooters anyone who borrows mine, loves it. Single disc variety lack stopping power compared to later R6 setup. 5 stars.
Doesn't matter how much they try to make a scooter look like a motorbike it's still a scooter, not one for me and I've been brought up with my father restoring old scooters mainly from the 60s.
If I had been riding back then I'd have been on a BSA or Norton
Is the engine cc a secret?
Yes. Only the most enlightened will know... www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bikes/yamaha/tmax-tech-max-2022-review
If I were only using my bike for commuting half an hour each way, then maybe.
it's like driving a mercedes as a daily on two wheels wish I was taller than 168 as this is the only drawback for which I can't get one
At that price I would probably go for the BMW electric scooter.....same cost and much cheaper to run etc
Have fun at 50 miles out and you are having range anxiety. That heavy piece of crap is not going to be fun pushing home and it's not like someone can just bring you a gallon of gas and you would be on your way. You are going to have to get that thing trailered home and then you'll have to push that heavy piece of crap into your garage. I can't believe anyone would be so naive about owning an electric motorcycle.
Dear Yamaha, Bring this BACK to America. I love my 2009 T Max, but want a new one, and can't because you don't sell them Here
Great scoot but just too expensive!
It's time for more powerful engine, I will wait untill there will be a big engine!!!
So how fast do you ride? 80, 90, 100 mph ? How often do you get it going that fast? Or is it just bragging rights? Kinda like Teslas that can go 0 to 60 in 2 seconds? After you do it a couple of times and scarring the crap out of yourself.
Nice scoot .... but way too expensive ... it's £200 more than a brand new Tracer 9 GT!! 😕
15,700 euro here in Ireland. Not a hope. Not liking the new styling at all. That front end is something not even a mother could love.
That’s my dream scooter that I will never have. Me so sad
Does this feel like a scooter or a motorcycle ?
Like a gentle motorcycle without gears
Wouldn’t have one in London. Don’t people get jacked/bikes nicked for these to use for street robberies?
They need to lower the price especially when so many are being stolen and you never see it again i would like to think for 12k it should be theft proof
12,000! I don't think so ! Get back to 70s style rd 100,200,250, etc
I don't know about this scooter. I'm an old fart and could afford this bike but why should I pay the cash? My Honda Forza 300cc takes me where I want to go and who knows what improvements may come in the Forza range in 2023.
Hate being first, there is no comments to read
Great review, as you used us to👍. Thousands of French riders can't be wrong (or can they? 😉)... Yet if I decided to let my bike go for a scoot at this kind of price which means opening your mind and your wallet at the same time, it would be for an X ADV. What do you reckon, John?
I'd love to have one, but it'd be in addition to something else, so the cost would be an issue for me.
I don't know how it is globally, but in my country the T-Max is the No.1 choice for criminals and shady people.
Would rather a cheaper bilke than being forced to pay for tech I don't want, too much time messing around with screens on the road and you'll end up riding off a cliff or into a ditch.
Got my A learner permit here in Ireland around a month ago and passed my IBT (CBT) around 2 weeks ago and am looking out for an xmax 300/400 or burgman 400. Not sure if I'll get one until maybe the Spring but I hear Winter is the best time for buying bikes.
I know I went for the A license and an Xmax 300/400 is A2 but A2 is plenty fast for me + I want to pass my A test on an automatic so I'll have to find a riding school with an automatic. The A2 won't allow me ride a Burgman 650 or Forza 750 so this is why I went for the A should I want more power in the future. In reality a tmax 560 is probably more than good enough, how much power is enough ?
The other issue for me is that it's very hard to find a 2nd hand scooter that's old enough and are all due belts and rollers that the owner has not done, I suppose I could do it myself but at 40,000 Kms or 20K miles any private owner I've contacted all say the belt isn't done.
I saw an Xmax 300 last week in a bike dealers and was surprised at how big the bike actually is. It even had an apron which would completely cover your legs in Winter which I though was pretty cool.
Anyway, can't wait to get on the road on 2 wheels whenever that will be.
You can by almost any bike for that money lol
This is way over priced. Buy a new Honda ADV350 or X-Max 300, get 95% what this does and save yourself £6k+!
Or get a brand new Yamaha Tracer 900GT for less!
12k! 😂😂🤣🤣Are they joking?
Scooter
The most apologetic video on youtube i’ve ever experienced! Sorry for that! So sorry!