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  • @PhilosophyTube
    @PhilosophyTube  Před 5 lety +35168

    Ben Shapiro debate me

    • @schr4nz
      @schr4nz Před 5 lety +397

      Indeed!

    • @james-cal
      @james-cal Před 5 lety +123

      Defender of the Revolution doubt it

    • @prygak4895
      @prygak4895 Před 5 lety +56

      Philosophy Tube What?!!!??!!

    • @porpoisepork
      @porpoisepork Před 5 lety +853

      I've been a champion of the idea that "refusing to debate an insufferable idiot does not mean you 'concede' to them" every time a fascist tries to debate me on twitter.

    • @fathel9221
      @fathel9221 Před 5 lety +156

      He'd never do that

  • @crispydonut9553
    @crispydonut9553 Před 4 lety +4605

    The only flaw in your imitation is that you didn’t say “let’s say” enough

    • @albamcgowan9300
      @albamcgowan9300 Před 3 lety +261

      Also throw in alot of 'hypothetically'

    • @prplfleur
      @prplfleur Před 3 lety +40

      Cody Johnston makes me creamy.

    • @sophiemason8444
      @sophiemason8444 Před 3 lety +168

      Let's say, for instance, hypothetically, that Ben Shapiro was, hypothetically, let's say, trapped in, for instance, a sex dungeon, hypothetically.

    • @NotADood
      @NotADood Před 3 lety +17

      Something about the government forcing you at gunpoint to feed the poor.

    • @sebastianwei7721
      @sebastianwei7721 Před 3 lety +30

      You didn’t remind us of your wife, who is a legit doctor 👩‍⚕️ 🤣

  • @nyasiamaire
    @nyasiamaire Před rokem +1900

    I was 16 years old in 1973. I marched in Pro-Choice marches. I can't believe I have to do this all over again at 65 years old. Well presented. Thank you, Abby.

    • @thekodex1186
      @thekodex1186 Před rokem +83

      Christ that's pretty depressing, history repeats itself

    • @Terra_Lopez
      @Terra_Lopez Před rokem +11

      Which country is that -- USA? Just curious for context.

    • @nyasiamaire
      @nyasiamaire Před rokem +84

      @@Terra_Lopez Yes. The USA. The place where bodily autonomy has gone to die, but won't if we continue to fight for it (which I plan to do, again.)

    • @Terra_Lopez
      @Terra_Lopez Před rokem +17

      @@nyasiamaire Good on you! I'm lucky to live in New Zealand. But my attention is on America.

    • @beachslap7359
      @beachslap7359 Před rokem +8

      ​​@@nyasiamaire the body autonomy is as present as it's ever been. You're trying to take it away from the unborn baby by killing them before asking what they want to be done to their body.

  • @kathima6459
    @kathima6459 Před rokem +462

    I had a devoted anti-abortion CATHOLIC relative actually say "my body, my choice" when it came to any potential covid vaccine mandates, either by employer or government.

    • @mr.goldfish1530
      @mr.goldfish1530 Před rokem +50

      They say it as an attempted "gotcha" against people in favour of abortion rights, not because they actually agree with it.

    • @Allthewayhome781
      @Allthewayhome781 Před 5 měsíci

      It shows the hypocrisy of pro abortion advocates ..... they don't really care about "bodily autonomy" it's just an excuse

    • @BL-sd2qw
      @BL-sd2qw Před měsícem +2

      The irony 🤣😭

    • @dunmer_appreciator1379
      @dunmer_appreciator1379 Před měsícem +5

      ​@mr.goldfish1530 oh they definitely agree with it in the context of forced vaccination, just not pregnancies

    • @BL-sd2qw
      @BL-sd2qw Před měsícem

      @@mr.goldfish1530 They do? I didn't know. Damn.

  • @imnotbrian6316
    @imnotbrian6316 Před 5 lety +941

    1] The Arsonist is a recurring character? YES. PLEASE.
    2] "I never said she survived". Yikes.

    • @libaf5471
      @libaf5471 Před 5 lety +21

      Who knew an arsonist would be such a versatile character!

    • @MadelynofHell
      @MadelynofHell Před 8 dny +1

      'i never said she survived ' hit me like a fucking truck.

  • @JamSunstone
    @JamSunstone Před 5 lety +3222

    Holy shit, I was just rewatching the Steve Bannon video, and heard this:
    "Here it says, "family of four burned alive". Two little girls and a mother and father charred to a crisp and they have no idea who did it."
    This is a goddamn prequel and YOU CAN'T CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE!

  • @Mortebianca
    @Mortebianca Před rokem +1697

    This aged like fine wine.

    • @Amyphist
      @Amyphist Před rokem +44

      Just watched it for the first time. Knew all the arguments already, but never seen them presented so... vividly.
      Though with this video and a couple of others, part of me is always distracted thinking 'tee hee, I know that venue'. :D

    • @technom4tter
      @technom4tter Před rokem +4

      Vitanera propongo un video in italiano sul tema! Alcuni poor bastards della PENISola italica non conoscono la lingua inglese e un pó di informazioni e prospettive esterne aiuterebbero gli italiani a capire meglio la questione sull'aborto

    • @HeyNonyNonymous
      @HeyNonyNonymous Před rokem +2

      Sadly.

    • @ciaociao6266
      @ciaociao6266 Před rokem +1

      Whitedeath, is that you?

    • @lorenzonapoletano5789
      @lorenzonapoletano5789 Před rokem

      AYOOOOOOO MORTE BIANCAAAAAAA WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW * suoni animaleschi da persona che vede il proprio idolo *

  • @marcelinebrady5332
    @marcelinebrady5332 Před rokem +458

    The Arsonist is one of the most effective and terrifying characters I've ever seen performed and Abby executes it beautifully every step of the way.

  • @Milquetoastfireball
    @Milquetoastfireball Před 4 lety +3310

    "Speaking of grotesque medical horror that pushes the boundaries of taste: Here's Dennis Prager"
    Lost my absolute shit.

    • @biscoitom
      @biscoitom Před 4 lety +68

      The pause between the sentences was the best part of it hahahah

    • @miguelfigueroa6367
      @miguelfigueroa6367 Před 3 lety +86

      “Horrible aliens who kill men for sport...and the Predator...”

    • @bismuthcrystal9658
      @bismuthcrystal9658 Před 3 lety +37

      I have a major issue with that, actually: Prager is *way* beyond the boundaries of taste.

  • @d_9696
    @d_9696 Před 5 lety +736

    No. It was kidneynapping.

    • @WastingtimeInc
      @WastingtimeInc Před 5 lety +34

      This comment is highly underrated.

    • @saimi4630
      @saimi4630 Před 3 lety +1

      I love how everyone collectively stopped liking after we reached a funny number

    • @rosefulmadness
      @rosefulmadness Před 2 měsíci

      what was the number?

  • @arsenicandvanilla3103
    @arsenicandvanilla3103 Před rokem +518

    I live in the U.S, and here you have to opt in to organ donation when you register for a driver's license. The default option is no, and if you say no the doctors can't harvest your organs no matter how many people need them.
    And while I am a donor, it's still really scary that I technically have more agency over what happens to my corpse than I do over my body while I'm still alive.
    UPDATE: found out today that some states ( including the one I live in) have laws that can overide an advance directive and keep a person on life support against their will if they are even a month pregnant. My CORPSE could be forced to carry a fetus against my will..... I hate this country so much.

    • @jongya
      @jongya Před 11 měsíci +17

      I’m gonna be honest like I think that’s fine. I believe in total bodily autonomy while you’re alive but when you’re dead you don’t exist anymore. I’m not like against following someone’s wishes after they die I think it’s polite and feels good to show someone that kind of respect but like Abbi said in the video that doesn’t mean fetuses don’t have any moral value, so idk if it means someone gets to be born and a dead persons wishes are broken I care more about the fetus. Same goes for organ donation, I don’t super respect withholding your organs that could save a life. Like you’re dead, there’s no autonomy for you and your body bc you’re gone and your body is just a thing now that can save lives.

    • @jongya
      @jongya Před 11 měsíci +10

      To be clear I wouldn’t hate someone or think they’re evil if they choose to not donate their organs and waste their whole body in burial or cremation or whatever. Like I get why people do it, usually for religious reasons, and I can empathize with the feeling. I just think it’s the wrong decision if you value kindness and support for other people.

    • @race890
      @race890 Před 10 měsíci

      .....easy, migrate out to another country then. And yes it does occur that donors are let to slide for a harvest.

    • @whitescar2
      @whitescar2 Před 9 měsíci

      Dead peoples' right to bodily autonomy weighs more than a pregnant woman's right to her own uterus.

    • @ChillAndSketch
      @ChillAndSketch Před 6 měsíci +1

      ​@@jongyaI agree, that sounds fine.

  • @gabriellegoodwin4422
    @gabriellegoodwin4422 Před rokem +874

    I am pro choice, but when asked to describe why I sort of just wave my hands and say "a fetus isn't a person". It never occurred to me to ask people "to what extent should you give up your bodily autonomy for another person". It feels really obvious now, but this video explained why and I really appreciate how succinctly Abby did so.

    • @SweBeach2023
      @SweBeach2023 Před rokem +12

      Let's picture the following scenario: You and your friend decide to take a fishing trip far from land. You use your boat. Efter a few hours of fishing you suddenly decide you wish to be left alone and thus force your friend to leave the boat. As a result the friend will drown. Did you have a moral right to act in such a way? It's after all your boat and should you not have the right to control who stays on it? Or are you morally obligated to let him stay on the boat even if it becomes an inconvenience until you're back at shore?
      We can expand the example. Let's say you're a watching the scene above from your ship. The person is left struggling in the water while the owner of the boat is sailing away. Do you have an obligation to help the drowning man? A moral obligation? A legal obligation?
      The situations are in a way rather similar, either the first boat owner brings the friend to shore or the second one does. If not the person will die. But a court would judge the situations very differently.
      This brings me to my conclusion: getting pregnant means becoming the only viable mean for the fetus/friend staying alive/reach shore. When you became pregnant you gave up your right to control that part of your body in a similar manner as you gave up your total right to your boat when you invited your friend over. The example with the violinist are more akin to the expanded example. It's a good deed to help the drowning person, but you're not legally obligated to do so if it means a substantial inconvenience or risk to your life or your plans.

    • @danielemazzali9810
      @danielemazzali9810 Před rokem +83

      @@SweBeach2023 forcing someone to keep people on their boat is not a violation of bodily autonomy, It doesn't require the state to seize your controll over own body. And "shopping" someone to shore is not as demanding of you as having a pregnancy. It doesn't even endanger your health.
      "A court would judge the situation differently" It depends. In some places this kind of failure to rescue is basically as bad as murder.
      "When you became pregnant"
      What if someone didn't want to be pregnant then? What if they didn't even want to have sex?
      "You're not legally obbligated to do so if it means a substantial inconvenience or risk to your life or plans"
      I completely agree. But a pregnancy does mean a substantial inconvenience or risk to your life or plans.
      That's why i'm pro choice.

    • @tiyas5378
      @tiyas5378 Před rokem +9

      @@SweBeach2023 but this video never made a case for absolutism in regards to bodily autonomy now did it?

    • @jenniferm704
      @jenniferm704 Před rokem +11

      ​@@SweBeach2023 Firstly, thank you for spending the time to respectfully defend your viewpoint. (I mean that sincerely.)
      Secondly, to the scenario:
      "Did you have a moral right to act in such a way?"
      Not enough information yet for me to determine.
      "It's after all your boat and should you not have the right to control who stays on it?"
      Yes, I would argue that legally you should have the right to control who stays on it.
      "Or are you morally obligated to let him stay on the boat even if it becomes an inconvenience until you're back at shore? "
      Are you arguing the /morality/ of the situation or the /legality/? Morality and legality are two different concepts. They can overlap and intertwine, but they are fundamentally different. I will answer both. Morally, I'd give you should seek to prevent the loss of life. But to what end? If the friend absolutely refuses to leave the boat, are you morally obligated to stay? If so, for how long? Should the friend be allowed to manipulate you into staying on the boat by holding their potential death over you? Legally, it is your boat. If the friend refuses to exit it, are you not then able to call the police and obtain their assistance in removing them from the boat? If they die as a result, should you be held legally accountable for murder?
      "It's a good deed to help the drowning person, but you're not legally obligated to do so if it means a substantial inconvenience or risk to your life or your plans."
      Exactly. Pregnancy can be "a substantial inconvenience or risk to your life or your plans". So, if you are not legally obligated to save them in the second scenario, why would you be legally obligated in the first? (If the answer is because you initially chose to be on the boat with your friend and the captain who happens upon the friend didn't, I'd be interested in hearing your take on that.)

    • @JDsGameInn
      @JDsGameInn Před rokem +1

      So murder an innocent child?

  • @alexwagstaff3189
    @alexwagstaff3189 Před 5 lety +2140

    "I don't hate women, I married one"

    • @frocco7125
      @frocco7125 Před 5 lety +423

      "I'm not racist, my dog is black!"

    • @evelienheerens2879
      @evelienheerens2879 Před 5 lety +414

      I don't hate slaves, I own several...

    • @merikijiya13
      @merikijiya13 Před 5 lety +14

      Rocco Anders 😆 Haven’t heard that one. I’m stealing it. Yonk!!!

    • @Silverfang447
      @Silverfang447 Před 5 lety +140

      Ben "my wife is a doctor" Shapiro

    • @iridium9512
      @iridium9512 Před 5 lety +91

      "I don't hate Jews, I own several"
      -Adolf Hitler

  • @ceelar
    @ceelar Před 5 lety +13672

    Philosophy Tube DESTROYS Ben Shapiro with feelings and vulnerability

    • @CDexie
      @CDexie Před 5 lety +351

      @Spinach and Scenery And it's not like feeling feels is bad. We're emotional beings. Just as much as we are rational beings, religious beings, political beings etc.

    • @1Seanmb
      @1Seanmb Před 5 lety +273

      @@CDexie We're more emotional than rational. Most every human belief stems from you making an emotional decision, then attempting to use reason to justify the decision you've already made.

    • @arvedludwig3584
      @arvedludwig3584 Před 5 lety +183

      @@CDexie rationality is based on emotions. People with high emotional intelligence will make more rational decisions in most cases.

    • @ScorpionViper1001
      @ScorpionViper1001 Před 5 lety +58

      @Spinach and Scenery Frankly, most political opinions are at some level. That doesn't mean they can't be based on facts, and should. But reason free from passion is, at best, an impossible ideal.

    • @mariovilas6637
      @mariovilas6637 Před 5 lety +88

      @Spinach and Scenery Because they use the word "emotion" to describe only those emotions they consider to be a weakness. Power and aggression are also emotions but they don't use that word for them.

  • @thraceburk1683
    @thraceburk1683 Před rokem +240

    "The fact that I want it is enough!" That always gets me.

    • @JNCressey
      @JNCressey Před 8 měsíci +20

      It got me so deep too. I feel that she's channeling her own emotion. In the UK, trans people need doctors permission to transition. You need to convince the doctors you're really trans; that you have a "good reason" for wanting to transition.

  • @erikamezquita9442
    @erikamezquita9442 Před 2 lety +556

    Given the recent events in the US, I needed to watch this again.

    • @bread1641
      @bread1641 Před 2 lety +6

      SAME!

    • @xertz2502
      @xertz2502 Před 2 lety +2

      Bro doubled up on the agitprop

    • @nomil1983
      @nomil1983 Před rokem +14

      This comment is even more relevant now

    • @Senny_V
      @Senny_V Před rokem +1

      Given the very recent events, indeed.

    • @williamkealey2636
      @williamkealey2636 Před rokem

      Yup. I spent the day of the ruling getting blitzed doing shots, and watching this video and the Fundie Fridays one.

  • @87eargasm
    @87eargasm Před 5 lety +19922

    Abortion & Ben Shapiro? I agree in theory, but the dude is 35 years old.

    • @davelee5995
      @davelee5995 Před 5 lety +900

      87eargasm no he’s a child in a trench coat isn’t he

    • @ThisFinalHandle
      @ThisFinalHandle Před 5 lety +597

      Bah...you and your ethics.

    • @miguelzavaleta1911
      @miguelzavaleta1911 Před 5 lety +385

      Is he really? He barely looks 18.

    • @EvilPineappl
      @EvilPineappl Před 5 lety +556

      anything earlier than 150 trimesters is fine

    • @chumsie2411
      @chumsie2411 Před 5 lety +514

      Laws exist to be changed. Clearly Ben Shapiro is the result of a legal oversight and the mistake has to be rectified.

  • @zachdauman5464
    @zachdauman5464 Před 4 lety +4940

    "I dont hate women, i married one."
    (c) Ben Shapiro

    • @arthurmorgan3260
      @arthurmorgan3260 Před 4 lety +270

      Zach Dauman Kinda like the “I’m not racist, I have a black friend” haha

    • @lt.2992
      @lt.2992 Před 4 lety +11

      She might had the pressure of being perfect

    • @kja6336
      @kja6336 Před 4 lety +9

      @@arthurmorgan3260 I prefer, "You're racist," because, "You don't have have a black partner"
      You may be thinking, NOT a single person has ever said that.
      I've heard it over 10 times, don't know why I'm told this so much

    • @MadMax-cu8zp
      @MadMax-cu8zp Před 4 lety +65

      when you hate women so much you marry a man but that's gay so you marry yourself but you're technically still marrying a man so you just give up and stay single

    • @arthurvandenbergh1881
      @arthurvandenbergh1881 Před 4 lety

      Arthur Morgan beat me to it

  • @yosefbenavraham5062
    @yosefbenavraham5062 Před 2 lety +535

    Ben Shapiro considering himself a pious Jewish man while being an outspoken anti-abortion advocate is...interesting. The VAST majority of Jewish teachings on when life begins usually coincide with the "pro-choice" perspective, that it occurs when a baby "draws its first breath". From a religious viewpoint, it likely stems from Genesis 2:7
    There is also the principle of Pikuach Nefesh, which states that Jewish law becomes null and void when someone's life is in danger. Even if abortion were regarded as unholy in Judaism (it generally isn't), performing an abortion to save a woman's life is not only allowed but REQUIRED by Jewish law.

    • @elda7153
      @elda7153 Před 2 lety +31

      Being fair to him, Ben Shapiro does not base his opinions on abortion on his Jewish beliefs

    • @monarchdoge1330
      @monarchdoge1330 Před 2 lety

      Look religion is outdated and its not good to base any moral beliefs from it

    • @jantje.96
      @jantje.96 Před 2 lety +23

      @@elda7153 I think he does base it at least partly on his jewish beliefs, but doesn't use them as arguments to justify his viewpoint.

    • @magnumopus1628
      @magnumopus1628 Před rokem +6

      But how exactly are all abortions necessary to save one's life?
      Those are just rare cases in which we all agree that abortion is in fact necessary. This seems to be a full fledged strawman argument to me.
      Not only because you only focused on one specific scenario, but also because you chose for Ben what his reasoning is.
      He explicitly said, multiple times, that he bases his opinions on this subject on science.
      His reasoning is more or less: "science proved that fetuses are in fact already living human beings in the making, just like a teenager is an adult in the making. The right of a human being at any stage of his/her life is more important than any need of (in my opinion delusional) perception of freedom of its parents in the best case scenario. And the need to defend and maintain unhealthy sexual habits that correspond to have frequent unprotected sex with strangers in the worst case scenario.
      Many others simply see this as a political statement. Not really engaging in the morals and ethics of this topic.
      He then says that since science proved that fetuses are human beings, and one of the commandments is "Thou shall not kill" he sees religion as part of his moral reasoning, but it's not the foundation of it.
      And, as a final clarification, this overturning of Roe V Wade doesn't state that abortion is now illegal.
      It simply states that it's not a constitutional right of US citizens, but in the constitution there isn't written that it's prohibited either.
      People will still be able to choose if they want an abortion or not.
      Therefore making all the noise about this case a quite simple case of "leftist psychotic tantrum".
      And just to clarify, I'm not American, I'm not Christian (I'm a Jewish agnostic), and I'm against making abortion illegal for everyone (which again, it's not what actually happened), but I'm also against how abortion has became a political statement, how the science and morality of it is discounted by leftists and feminists, and by how some people normalized it so much that they act as if it was a natural, normal and positive thing.
      An abortion is a traumatic event, whether they are able to admit it or whether they prefer to hyper-compensate with crazy tantrums of all sorts.

    • @monarchdoge1330
      @monarchdoge1330 Před rokem

      @@magnumopus1628 look hear me out aint no such things as jewish as in religion and agnostic also

  • @barlmax4095
    @barlmax4095 Před rokem +120

    32:47 my dad was fighting with brain cancer and two brain tumors for 7 years. at the end of his fight he was taking a medicine (I believe it was called avastin [could also be termodal]) that slowly killed his heart because of the side effects
    so cutting the story shot he was having short heart attacks and the neurologist told him the chest pain he was feeling was because his heart was failing due to his medication and that he could either forbid the medication and die due to the expansion of the tumors in a couple years or continue the medication and die due to a heart attack in whatever time it took
    he decided to continue the medication and died like a month later… it was his choice and I can still see his corpse when I close my eyes, because he died in front of me but it was his choice
    I believe in body autonomy, everyone owns their body and what to do it

  • @TheLANMAC
    @TheLANMAC Před 5 lety +747

    Most compelling villains
    2018: Killmonger
    2019: The Arsonist

    • @TheLANMAC
      @TheLANMAC Před 5 lety +3

      (2017: Frida)

    • @jessbian3385
      @jessbian3385 Před 5 lety +34

      What about Housing Crisis?

    • @cyan4845
      @cyan4845 Před 5 lety +29

      killmonger: strangles an old lady just in case you thought he wasn't evil
      The arsonist: is british just in case you thought he wasn't evil

    • @Zwickerly2
      @Zwickerly2 Před 5 lety +1

      2018: Thanos
      The fuck would make you think killmonger was compelling?

    • @hellNo116
      @hellNo116 Před 5 lety

      @@TheLANMAC none of the was wrong and at least one was not a villain. I let you decide which

  • @fangsabre
    @fangsabre Před 5 lety +4972

    "There was a nasty fire"
    Ok, I'm down for the Abby Cinematic Universe

    • @tylerd8289
      @tylerd8289 Před 5 lety +237

      the subtitles even call him the Arsonist

    • @gaaalavant
      @gaaalavant Před 5 lety +210

      @@tylerd8289 He refers to the character as "the arsonist" multiple times, out loud, during the video.

    • @flashfire505
      @flashfire505 Před 5 lety +175

      Hbomb is also in this universe and that's wonderful

    • @tylerd8289
      @tylerd8289 Před 5 lety +22

      @@gaaalavant I wouldn't know, I have to read the subtitles, therefore I only know what the subtitles say lol

    • @AslanW
      @AslanW Před 5 lety +65

      1:44 don't forget The Daily Fire. I'm loving it!

  • @katevenhorst1723
    @katevenhorst1723 Před rokem +228

    “Ben Shapiro is the cool kids philosopher. He’s the philosopher for kids who really want to think they’re cool.” True shit right there.

    • @patriciaszabo8015
      @patriciaszabo8015 Před rokem

      Adult edgelord.

    • @TheFantasticFreak
      @TheFantasticFreak Před 3 měsíci +1

      Complete nonsense, which he proves by not being able to address a single his arguments without making a logical fallacy.

  • @kirklarson4536
    @kirklarson4536 Před 2 lety +639

    When discussing this issue I often bring up a scenario I read once: the fire at a fertility clinic. Suppose you were at a fertility clinic when a fire broke out. You had to make a choice to save either a frozen embryo or a month old baby. Which would you choose? One would hope you'd save the baby.
    Now suppose the choice was between the baby and a container with ten frozen embryos. Or perhaps one hundred. Or ten thousand.
    A rational person should be able to see there is a difference.

    • @JohnJohn-yp5vp
      @JohnJohn-yp5vp Před 2 lety +20

      Except there is no need for anyone to die when dealing with abortion. You are also saying that objects that have less value than other objects have no value.

    • @kirklarson4536
      @kirklarson4536 Před 2 lety +134

      @@JohnJohn-yp5vp But you see, don't you, that a live, born, breathing baby is very different from an embryo.

    • @JohnJohn-yp5vp
      @JohnJohn-yp5vp Před 2 lety +19

      @@kirklarson4536 1#, this completely fails to address my points made above. Are you admitting that your analogy was useless?
      2#, Your entire point right now is that since two things are different one must have less value than the other. This is a false-dichotomy, and nothing more.

    • @minhtung4583
      @minhtung4583 Před 2 lety +30

      @@JohnJohn-yp5vp so what would you choose in that situation? kill 10 "human" or 1?

    • @kirklarson4536
      @kirklarson4536 Před 2 lety +73

      @@JohnJohn-yp5vp The analogy is not useless. Are you admitting you'd leave the baby to burn?

  • @cornflakes-does-stuff
    @cornflakes-does-stuff Před 5 lety +718

    do yourself a favor and turn on the captions for gems like:

    • @FluorescenttheGirl
      @FluorescenttheGirl Před 5 lety +16

      Yes! I always turn captions on because english isn't my first language and I miss some things without captions, and it's always great!

    • @laurenemerick4350
      @laurenemerick4350 Před 5 lety +8

      lilla ivanich I had no idea! Definitely watching w/captions from now on.

    • @SteamClockWork
      @SteamClockWork Před 5 lety +2

      Absolutely added some extra fun to this video

    • @jlewwis1995
      @jlewwis1995 Před 5 lety

      "Mlg sad violins" :D

    • @nittygritty7034
      @nittygritty7034 Před 5 lety

      Omg

  • @hewhogoesbymanynames
    @hewhogoesbymanynames Před 4 lety +7274

    "I didn't say she survived" hit me like a ton of bricks.

    • @xaviercosme1284
      @xaviercosme1284 Před 4 lety +401

      Thank you! I thought I was the only one. I choked up pretty bad.

    • @jacobhero1577
      @jacobhero1577 Před 4 lety +263

      @@xaviercosme1284 My mind went flat out ohhhh damn

    • @likeabunnie
      @likeabunnie Před 4 lety +224

      Honestly was really glad I saw this comment early on and was expecting it might have been about that so it was... Less shocking.
      That seriously sucks though.

    • @likeabunnie
      @likeabunnie Před 4 lety +169

      Admittedly, it's a damn good example to make the point about body autonomy... In some ways it seems irrelevant to this discussion, but yet it shows the flip side of how much having a choice about our own bodies and treatment options matters, not only in terms of who lives but also in terms of having the right to choose risks in our lives...
      There's that song by I think Janis Joplin sings it... I was never a big fan of it, yet it tends to pop in my mind at various moments in life, the noteworthy words being, "freedom's just another word for 'nothing left to lose'".
      I used to mull those words around in my head as a child, trying to understand them. They didn't seem logical to me. Until one day, I suddenly realized the meaning and the truth behind it, and throughout my life, I've had many moments of loss when the words have come back to me, ringing with truth.
      I'm not sure why I felt like sharing that, as I'm thinking logically now that it doesn't seem to cover the topic at hand, yet it seems like in a way it's still relevant, though admittedly I'm not entirely sure how to explain why. That tends to be true when the words come to mind, but eventually it's like my logical mind will get caught up with whatever part of my mind is responsible for determining the appropriate mental sound track for a moment.
      I've always taken stock and been thankful that I do still have plenty to lose. As much as I've lost... There's still always been significantly more that I still have, and I'm thankful for that. When I originally sought to understand the lyrics, I thought it was referring to possessions or finances, which is why I didn't get it... It seemed like one could potentially be freer if you were loaded with money than broke and starving... Not that wealth is at all the same as happiness, and arguably happiness and freedom are entirely different, though ideally they would co exist... It seems like they seem equal when we think about about them, as if freedom equals happiness, though if truely being free means you've got nothing left to lose, I'd argue that joy and freedom are very different... I still wouldn't argue that they aren't related, as I don't think one can generally be but so happy if they aren't free, in the sense of being free from captivity, and I guess to tie back into the topic at hand, free to have a certain level of personal bodily autonomy.
      That's not to say people can't experience moments of happiness in whatever their situation... It's said that Anne Frank found some moments of joy in being able to be outdoors when she was at the camp she ended up dying in, and I've seen many situations which are not happy, but people still manage to find some ways to find a way to experience some joyful moments still. Though it's not really the same as being happy in that situation. My sis would be cracking jokes and we'd find any way we could to be goofy and find ways to have happiness during her extensive time in the hospital, many many times, in the last two years she was alive, she spent around half of it in hospital, and she wasn't even treated very well by many doctors and that's not the point I'm trying to make, it's been a little over a year since I lost her and it seems like she's not really gone and yet... She definately is, and it doesn't matter that she was treated horribly by many people and she... Honestly I think if doctors had met her even halfway and even somewhat managed her pain, she would still be here and she'd be ok, but there's nowhere to fine an appeal, and as young as 24 is to die, I know there's young children who die... There was the 16 year old girl who got the lung transplant, and that certainly seems worthy of appeal.
      Yet, I can understand why she would have chosen the surgery. While I obviously don't know anything beyond what was stated in this video, it seems likely that she could have had CF, though I guess it isn't relevant...
      I can understand why someone would choose to risk the surgery, though. I know that only the most urgent needy cases are offered the limited organs avalible, so it's likely she was dying regardless, just at a slower rate than I gather occurred as result of the surgery. She was likely afraid of the risk of dying (not to mention, I'd have to be pretty damn despairate even if not for the other risks, to sign up to have my chest and ribs... Yeah. That can't feel good or be an easy recovery).
      But it seems like she was choosing to take the risk in order to get to *live*... Not just in the literal sense, but in the sense of being able to live life rather than constantly fight to manage to barely keep surviving.
      Yet I also know that often the able bodied population assumes it would be miserable to have a severe chronic condition or disability... There's definately the idea among many that if they reached a certain level of impairment, they'd rather die, and that's clearly another topic (though also not really), but I realize I'm rambling and I've got migraine moving in so idk what my overall point is, I'm fairly sure I didn't say it, haha... I guess it's just interesting to think about these things.
      The more I learn, the more I know I don't know, and maybe if I have a point, it's just that everything exists along a spectrum, and we are each individuals, so everything really is much more in a gray area than the binary way of thinking that tends to be much more emotionally comfortable.
      And often it seems we assume that laws should be moral, and I suppose I'd agree with that, or rather at least that laws should not be immoral. There's plenty of instances where I feel like the ethical choice should not be legally required, though, and I think that's where people often butt heads on those that seem like the big ticket items morally speaking.
      Laws and ethics shouldn't be entirely separate of course, but I think it's easy to see things more straightforward than they are.
      Even with the topic of abortion, I think too often it's assumed that laws are able to dictate behavior, yet when looked at objectively, making abortion illegal does not equate with it not still occurring. Heck, most of us see ourselves as never breaking laws, but that's not objectively true if you've ever ignoring speed limit while driving. I mean, heck, I suppose to a point that's not really a relevant argument since murder is also illegal, yet people still do it, and the vast majority of people would agree that murder is wrong and should be illegal.
      Maybe it's worth thinking about *why* murder is widely accepted as not just wrong and immoral but also illegal. I guess because we would not want people to be able to murder, and since it's a severe crime, when someone murders and is caught, they are sent to jail hopefully long enough that the public is safe from future murders from them. I know murder seems like an obvious thing to make illegal, and I agree, I guess I'm just wondering what qualities make it so clearly accepted as something that should be illegal, since it seems like it would help to consider those reasons in other contexts. Even if we think about why murder is such a widely accepted horrible crime, it seems worth thinking about it independent of other crimes, and then questioning if the same logic can be applied in other behaviors that some think should be crimes.
      It would be interesting to consider if abortion would be seen as the same level of crime as murder to those who believe it is the same action... I'd imagine that most the reasons we generally lock up murderers wouldn't be the same reasoning if applied to abortions. Even if it seems like the same crime to someone morally, I think most people would not be afraid to have someone who's had an abortion walking around as a free person vs if someone had murdered a person in the traditional sense. The person who's had an abortion doesn't seem to pose a likely risk to the public, vs murderer... I would be concerned about, haha.

    • @dael9163
      @dael9163 Před 4 lety +63

      Especially after the sperm machine joke

  • @Loungemermaid
    @Loungemermaid Před rokem +274

    This video is what convinced me to be pro choice. I had already gotten to the point where I was alright with other people getting abortions in the sense that that was legal and they can make their own choices, but morally and philosophically I was still pro life, and had a really hard time “excusing murder”.

    • @swihun8930
      @swihun8930 Před rokem +14

      All philosophical objections aside, the autonomy argument has its limits, if true it shows that abortion should not be illegal, but it doesn’t show that it’s moral.
      I’ll use a similar but more accurate version of the argument: ‘you shouldn’t be forced to give blood to your child, even if doing so is the only way to save their life’.
      While true that you can’t be forced to save your child’s life most people would accept that letting your child die when you have the sole ability to save them is highly immoral. And wouldn’t those around them do their best to persuade that person to save their child? You wouldn’t just praise their ability to choose to let them die.

    • @TheLegendOfRandy
      @TheLegendOfRandy Před rokem +10

      @@swihun8930 It seems as though you just made a pro-choice argument and agreed with it? I, personally, have a severe phobia of surgery beyond belief. Why would I be forced, by law, to forgo my individual bodily rights? Surgery terrifies me beyond belief.

    • @swihun8930
      @swihun8930 Před rokem +10

      @@TheLegendOfRandy I’m not making a legalistic point. For the sake of argument that I concede that you cannot make abortion illegal just as you cannot force someone to donate blood to save their child’s life.
      I’m saying that abortion would still be immoral, autonomy is what you should be allowed to do, it doesn’t make something right. If you can save your child and choose not to this is an immoral action.
      In your case, imagine you were a bone marrow match for a close family member. You wouldn’t be legally obliged to donate bone marrow to save their life but I think we’d both agree it would be the right thing to do. And that others around you should encourage you to do the right thing and work around your fear of surgery in any way possible.
      If you’re pro-choice because of the autonomy argument but don’t object to the point that a foetus is an innocent human being (and your own child at that) then you should oppose abortion morally just as much as any pro-lifer. You should seek to reduce abortion in any way that you can, not get one yourself, and encourage others around you not to get one either.

    • @justindavis2711
      @justindavis2711 Před rokem

      @@swihun8930 This argument only works up until the point when the fetus becomes viable outside the womb. People who support late term abortion would be actively murdering the child who might have survived without its mother, and therefore under your argument that should be illegal

    • @alyson42
      @alyson42 Před 11 měsíci +13

      @@swihun8930Your argument brings up some interesting questions. If the only moral option is that the mother donates bone marrow to her child, then does this moral obligation apply only to one's children? One's relatives? Does it matter whether you know the person or not? If donating your bone marrow could save the life of someone you'll never meet, are you morally obligated to make that donation? After all, what makes your genetic lineage more important, more deserving than someone else's?
      Additionally, if we're considering a person's innocence (or perhaps "worthiness" would be a better word, since my understanding is that what makes a fetus innocent is that they've done nothing wrong?), who's decision should it be to determine whether someone is deserving enough or not, and what criteria should be used? Must they have a clean criminal history? Be without parking tickets? Sufficiently contribute to society? Believe in the right religion? Follow the right sports teams? What makes one person more worthy of life than another?
      And what if it's not bone marrow, but a kidney, or a portion of your liver? All medical and surgical interventions carry risks - up to and including death. The same is true for pregnancy. Are you morally obligated to risk you life (or die) for someone else? What does that say about the worth of your life compared to theirs?
      Lastly - and not so much a question as an observation - you imply that if a person is pro-choice, then it must also be true they do not seek to reduce the frequency of abortions, as if the two are mutually exclusive. Looking at the data, banning or restricting abortions isn't a particularly effective way to decrease the rate at which they occur (they simply go underground at that point and you end up with a lot more dead pregnant women). Much more effective methods include ensuring high-quality age-appropriate sex education (i.e. younger kids learn about things like consent, and older kids learn about their changing bodies, how sex works, etc), access to effective birth control, access quality healthcare, and access to services such as childcare, paid maternity and paternity leave, food assistance, etc. Most of the pro-choice people I know are for many, if not all, of those things - and bodily autonomy. Supporting one does not preclude the other.

  • @elijahculper5522
    @elijahculper5522 Před 2 lety +1365

    This is literally the video that made me stop being an anti-abortion absolutist. It took a while after I watched it, but this was the argument that changed my mind.

    • @pleaseenteraname1103
      @pleaseenteraname1103 Před 2 lety +46

      Really, this video is just bad faith arguing, and strawmans, he misrepresents his positions multiple times he’s prostate force pregnancy, which is just absolute nonsense and that’s not his position he’s never implied that’s his position, that’s just a flat out lie, The production quality in the video is amazing, but the analogy and the argumentation is awful.

    • @marajade9573
      @marajade9573 Před 2 lety +146

      @@pleaseenteraname1103 Shabibo wants state forced pregnancy, that’s what being pro-life is. Not very libertarian of him.

    • @pleaseenteraname1103
      @pleaseenteraname1103 Před 2 lety +16

      @@marajade9573 Again another regurgitated pro-choice talking point, if you believe in limited government how come you are against abortion, because governments fundament Job is to protect people, it’s a perfectly consistent position, that’s like sayingIf you’re for limited government and how come you’re against human trafficking.

    • @marajade9573
      @marajade9573 Před 2 lety +120

      @@pleaseenteraname1103 Women government? Wtf are you even talking about? And I don’t consider embryos or fetuses to be people. Even if they were, they don’t have any right to infringe on a woman’s right to bodily autonomy. And before you say that the woman is infringing on their right to life, she isn’t. She’s removing it from her body. The fact that it can’t survive outside is not her problem.

    • @pleaseenteraname1103
      @pleaseenteraname1103 Před 2 lety +16

      @@marajade9573 again another regurgitated pro-choice talking point, it absolutely is a human that’s undeniable, in order to think that you have to disconnect yourself from reality, and the fetus or embryo whatever you wanna call it I didn’t ask to be born, it didn’t choose to be born, it’s not infringing on the woman’s right, A woman has the right to do whatever she wants her own body as long as it doesn’t harm others, and I know you’re gonna say well it’s a parasite, or make a comparison like that well it’s not a parasite, because a parasite chooses to attach itself to somebody, A baby does not and having a baby that’s not physically hurt a woman, unless you could talk about extreme cases or you could read miscarriages but beyond that it doesn’t, that’s just life I didn’t choose to be born you didn’t choose to be born. One Ben Shapiro is not a libertarian he’s probably said that a few times meaning he believes in limited government, but ultimately he’s not, and to my point about government was your saying he claims to be from the government then how come he’s against abortion, that’s a perfectly consistent position the government’s fundamental job is to protect life. And I want you to know something I know this is gonna sound insane like you’re not gonna believe it but the reason why I’m against abortion now I know this is gonna be insane it’s not because I hate Women, i’m not saying you think this but a lot of pro-choice people think this and if you think that the only reason somebody’s against abortion is because they hate women you’re delusional you need to get a reality check.

  • @Sinthioth
    @Sinthioth Před 5 lety +781

    How DARE you refer to him as "the arsonist" there is 0 explicit evidence that he was involved in any fires of any kind he is a humble traveling salesman god DAMMIT!

    • @spunkmckunkle5604
      @spunkmckunkle5604 Před 5 lety +13

      What are you talking about? There is evidence of him starting a fire in this very video. You watch him do it.

    • @icee711
      @icee711 Před 5 lety +43

      @@spunkmckunkle5604 it's a joke

    • @ToastedWafflez
      @ToastedWafflez Před 5 lety +113

      I'm not an arsonist, I'm a fire realist.

    • @spunkmckunkle5604
      @spunkmckunkle5604 Před 5 lety +10

      @@icee711 as was mine, since the "fire" in the video was a match.

    • @shaesham
      @shaesham Před 5 lety +6

      @@spunkmckunkle5604 oh shi-

  • @Christine-tp5pv
    @Christine-tp5pv Před 5 lety +2425

    I got a Ben Shapiro ad before this video and for a good minute I let it play because I thought it was a cold open for the video

    • @analytixna6610
      @analytixna6610 Před 5 lety +72

      Literally.... same...

    • @analytixna6610
      @analytixna6610 Před 5 lety +234

      Wait wtf is up with this guy above me

    • @Christine-tp5pv
      @Christine-tp5pv Před 5 lety +140

      mike bob sorry sir, but what the fuck?

    • @isaacm.9476
      @isaacm.9476 Před 5 lety +52

      Christine Uh I’m guess it’s “that’s unbelievable for and also women are barely human and lie all the time”
      Which is weird in a whole lot of gross ways, but also I likewise got a Ben Shapiro ad before this so it’s not even a little bit implausible that you were telling the truth?

    • @chrisramos6952
      @chrisramos6952 Před 5 lety +13

      I also got one for one of his friend's Chanel being demonized.

  • @Gildedmuse
    @Gildedmuse Před rokem +101

    Weirdly, before I saw this or heard of this scenario, I have made the same argument. Only mine is a little more personal.
    Because I was born with a Kidney Disease, one you can ONLY acquire from either your family or a freak genetic mutation; it is genetic, there is no other way to developed it. However, I have a mom who - while all around great - is very Christian and very moral and so is one of those people that believes if you get sick then God deems it so. And so she feels that rhus is something I caused myself. She says it's because I took so many NSAiDs in my early 20, seemingly having completely blocked from her mind that I took them because of pain caused by the cysts, and while it was certainly not the smartest thing to do, I'm fairness to me I was in a crippling amount of pain. See even though it's a kidney disease, those cysts can spread anywhere including gallbladder (destroyed), liver (nearly destroyed), stomach (ulcerated which is a nice way to say part was destroyed) And yet even while they had to go in and remove my gallbladder as wel as part of my liver and later part of my stomach, I still relied on NSAIDS and over OTC medications because no doctor wants to hear about your pain.
    The cysts can even form on your brain (though they only told me this whenl I was 33 at which point I was told I needed an MRI and when I asked why I'd never heard about this before they said - honest to God -if i had an IMPORTANT job like a pilot they would have been doong them regularly.... Nothing like hearing your just not important enough to both to save!)
    My parents even sat with me at my nephrologist when I was 20ish and listened as it was explained that this was caused by a gene mutation I was born with, but I think it brings my mom comfort, believing it's something I did to myself.
    So when this debate comes up I ask a very simple question: when they first caught this, when I was 15, should my mom have been forced to give up a kidney to save me? At that point both of my kidneys worked fine; it would have saved me decades of pain and hospital visits, I wouldn't have lost some very good jobs because your boss tends not to like it when you vomit blood all over their floor and get out in ICU for two weeks and then hospital for three more. What about now that it's gotten worse?
    What about in 10 years, when I will be 45 which is about five years over my life expectancy without a kidney transplant, but of course no one wants to go that far until it's absolutely necessary. Should my 70 year old mother be forced to give me her kidney? She's already stated she won't, because in her mind I did this to myself.
    The only reply I ever get is, well, an unborn child hasn't done anything wrong! They have endless potential! So.... So what, I did something wrong, being born with a mutation I had no control over? Are you saying I don't have potential? None of them will admit that, no, you're already born and so it would be pointless to force someone even in your own family for you because you're old enough to die. At 16 you were old enough to die because no one cares about saving you.

    • @nicolemarieanneeickhoff2522
      @nicolemarieanneeickhoff2522 Před 11 měsíci +21

      That's hard. I see you. I wish that hadn't happened and I wish your family and health system were better. Take care.

    • @Noicul
      @Noicul Před 8 měsíci +2

      ✊✌️💛🖖

    • @kolaoshun6298
      @kolaoshun6298 Před dnem

      Sorry. Hope you’re still able to live a decent life.

  • @austinluther5825
    @austinluther5825 Před rokem +118

    Damn, Abigail. I've only just started working through your older content, and this is hands-down the most powerful argument for the right of bodily autonomy I've ever seen.

    • @ammyvl1
      @ammyvl1 Před rokem +1

      to be fair, i don't think she devised it. it's from the paper cited.

  • @SirDrWizard
    @SirDrWizard Před 4 lety +2745

    This is my favorite episode of Black Mirror

  • @Azshare554
    @Azshare554 Před 5 lety +2114

    *Starts video*
    "Did I accidentally leave the playback speed up? Oh no wait he's impersonating Ben Shapiro." lol

    • @hanami741
      @hanami741 Před 5 lety +44

      haha also almost checked the settings for 2x speed

    • @BlakeZeb
      @BlakeZeb Před 5 lety +26

      Charlize Lilly yup, same lol. He did that waaay too well.

    • @afridaahmed2000
      @afridaahmed2000 Před 5 lety +7

      Yeah I had to slow down the video to understand what he was saying.

    • @kigut7443
      @kigut7443 Před 4 lety +16

      i watch videos at 1.25x speed by default so his ben shapiro stuff made me feel like i was having a stroke

    • @ihsahnakerfeldt9280
      @ihsahnakerfeldt9280 Před 3 lety +2

      I swear I thought the same thing

  • @michealcox7236
    @michealcox7236 Před 2 lety +258

    "Unless being pregnant is going to kill them." They don't even draw that line anymore

    • @jacobgarcia6081
      @jacobgarcia6081 Před rokem

      Yes they do dumba$$

    • @clapped-cheeks
      @clapped-cheeks Před rokem

      actually that’s an exception right there, if the pregnancy is endangering the life of the mother then she can get an abortion

    • @marthahealy3941
      @marthahealy3941 Před rokem +34

      @@clapped-cheeks In states where abortion is illegal, hospitals may refuse to terminate a pregnancy that risks the mother's life, because they might then have to prove the procedure was not _probably_ necessary, but _absolutely_ necessary. Abortion might be delayed until the mother is literally dying, bleeding out or in shock from sepsis or whatever they think will satisfy a conservative judge. It's not a matter of medical judgement anymore but legal ass-covering by the hospital's lawyers, to keep the surgical team from being arrested, and in some cases sued by third parties.

    • @mrt_942
      @mrt_942 Před rokem +23

      @@clapped-cheeks if you actually follow what's happening in the US, you can stumble upon MULTIPLE cases where abortion was denied even when the mother's life was in danger. In texas, the abortion law means a woman has to continue her pregnancy even when the fetus has a fatal anomaly, meaning it won't survive outside of the womb.

  • @sayven
    @sayven Před 2 lety +525

    "Do you know what the first country to legalize abortion was? -Soviet Russia!"
    Has the same energy as "Do you know who breathed air as well? Hitler!"
    "And then a few more links in the chain and you're into socialism!" is also basically "And the next thing you know is that you're pregnant."
    Absolutely love this totally exaggerated argumentation style.

    • @RacingSnails64
      @RacingSnails64 Před 2 lety +4

      Problem is, everyone automatically breathes. You only have an abortion if *you choose* to have one.

    • @syriouskash537
      @syriouskash537 Před 2 lety +3

      Sometimes to prove a point to someone you have to do 1 of 2 things.
      Either make it extreme and exaggerated......... or make it personal.
      Its easy to stand on the outside and say what should happen to a criminal. But when my daughter is that criminal? What how my condemnation and judgement changes.
      Making the argument extreme forces you to deal with the underlying question rather than focus on all the other pitty pat things about the topic.
      Do you like ICE CREAM!? (You go into it being high in sugar and fat and being lactose intolerant..... and all that other crap)
      (So I go extreme or personal about it.)
      DO YOU LIKE ICE CREAM!? YES OR NO!?! IF you dont give me a straight up answer Im going to XYZ you!!!
      Yes. I like Ice Cream.
      Thank You! I didnt ask you if you about all that other nonsense.
      All that other stuff added to it draws people away from the main question. YES. or NO. Were talking about TASTE not CONSEQUENCE.

    • @victorvelez8469
      @victorvelez8469 Před 2 lety +1

      ​@@RacingSnails64 That's not what they were arguing you know that right, you only need basic reading comprehension to understand that. Also not all abortions are by choice, so that's just wrong too. By definition a miscarriage is an abortion and obviously those rarely occur by choice.

    • @llawliet5767
      @llawliet5767 Před rokem +14

      Shapiro uses a ridiculous amount of strawman arguments. It's almost caricatural, for instance when he's making arguments against abortion : he first compares an embryon to a sleeping guy (he says a sleeping guy isn't sentient, yet his life is valuable and therefore you shouldn't abort because the embryon, although not sentient, is comparable to a sleeping person), but that example doesn't work because you may consider a sleeping person as sentient (since he's dreaming, was concious a few hours ago and will wake up in a few hours as well).
      Since his previous comparison doesn't work very well, he compares an embryon to a guy in the coma. But then his argument doesn't work that well either, because unplugging someone who won't ever find his sentience back is a thing and it's not that uncommon.
      Since his previous comparison doesn't work either, he then compares it to a guy who's in the coma but will awaken in 9 month. But again, the examples he states can't quite match the reality of an embryon or a fœtus : a guy who's in the coma for 9 month had a life before the coma, and will find his memories back afterwards.
      Since again his arguments don't work, he compares it to a guy who's in the coma for 9 month but won't ever find his past memories back because he'll a a blackout. How caricatural can he be ? He's always talking about the fact that an embryon is potential life and potential sentience, but what else it potential sentience ? Sperm... yet no one seems to care when you just... wank

    • @vvieites001
      @vvieites001 Před rokem +3

      The slippery slope fallacy. One of ben’s faves 😂

  • @mcscootagu
    @mcscootagu Před 5 lety +2492

    I'm impressed you got Shaun to sit there and stare at us for the whole credits, holding a pose for that long is impressive.

    • @starpasta
      @starpasta Před 5 lety +60

      LOL, that is way too funny.

    • @vicentequevedo2873
      @vicentequevedo2873 Před 5 lety +68

      You dummy, he probably just took a picture of himself

    • @MarcusKhaos1
      @MarcusKhaos1 Před 5 lety +95

      Be great if at the end he exclaimed "Thanks for watching!" in a bright Scouse accent

    • @veronicayeracaris3485
      @veronicayeracaris3485 Před 5 lety +1

      omg hahahaha

    • @fenestrapain
      @fenestrapain Před 5 lety +3

      Lmao I saw this comment before I actually got to the end and then spat.

  • @umangmalik
    @umangmalik Před 5 lety +409

    "Nintendoes what Immanuel Kant."
    We still have so much left to learn from this man.

  • @TheAmericanPrometheus
    @TheAmericanPrometheus Před rokem +346

    Philosophy Tube: "If you're opposed to abortion, you should also be opposed to fertility clinics!"
    Catholics: "Yes."

    • @misslenorelee6322
      @misslenorelee6322 Před rokem +35

      As a recovered catholic (raised in the church and left as a teengaer but with all my family still in it) I was like... hang on I recognise this argument as a bad thing.

    • @zoeyz7106
      @zoeyz7106 Před rokem +5

      Yes.

    • @niko9603
      @niko9603 Před rokem

      Wow turns out catholics are twice as stupid lmao

    • @Agape122
      @Agape122 Před 11 měsíci

      Yes catholics are against fertility clinics

    • @lovaaaa2451
      @lovaaaa2451 Před 9 měsíci +4

      Certainly, that's not a bad thing, that's because life is sacred and the act of conception is a sacred act. You should stop slandering us, we are good people just with a very different metaphysical framework from you.

  • @pablodonner5213
    @pablodonner5213 Před 2 lety +31

    Gotta say as someone with kidney problems it is rather hard to listen such vivid description of what happens when your kidneys fail

  • @zdecfzdcvz
    @zdecfzdcvz Před 5 lety +448

    We're a few steps away from the Philosophy Tube Cinematic Universe

    • @justsomecreatureofthisearth
      @justsomecreatureofthisearth Před 5 lety +8

      and, considering how shitty some of the other cinematic universes are, all fund money should be pulled from those and given to the Philosophy Tube Cinematic Universe.

  • @ToddHowar.d
    @ToddHowar.d Před 4 lety +544

    “I’ll consent to a robust discourse but I must ask you to adopt a more friendly tone.” End someone popping off real quick

  • @-datolith2775
    @-datolith2775 Před 6 měsíci +10

    Women must not be abused as child-bearing machines; forced pregnancy is not acceptable.

  • @antheaempson8735
    @antheaempson8735 Před 2 lety +792

    This video allowed me to fully commit to calling myself pro-choice after years of struggling between wanting to value human life, no matter the stage, and wanting to respect the pregnant person's autonomy. Thank you Abigail.

    • @pleaseenteraname1103
      @pleaseenteraname1103 Před 2 lety +24

      Really the production value in this video is really good, but the argumentation was absolutely awful, and the analogy with the violinist was terrible.

    • @antheaempson8735
      @antheaempson8735 Před 2 lety +54

      @@pleaseenteraname1103 the production value is good. I found the argument, when made abstract, very good. Kinda odd set up with the characters but it seems to fit the situation really well.

    • @antheaempson8735
      @antheaempson8735 Před 2 lety +12

      @@Bellg peace✌️

    • @pleaseenteraname1103
      @pleaseenteraname1103 Před 2 lety +7

      What did you find compelling about his argumentation, at times he doesn’t even address his actual points he just makes up points for him, an example he said his prostate for some pregnancy, which is absolutely not true, and I’m not gonna get into all the reasons but his violinist analogy fails on so many levels.

    • @Bellg
      @Bellg Před 2 lety

      @@antheaempson8735 if you valued peace you wouldn't kill

  • @hjge1012
    @hjge1012 Před 5 lety +1365

    That Shapiro impression was pretty good. The only thing I missed, was the 5 minute long life insurance ad.

    • @daved2352
      @daved2352 Před 5 lety +73

      Needs more "lets say, lets say" in there when straw manning

    • @dothrakicatboy2319
      @dothrakicatboy2319 Před 5 lety +26

      It never fails to make me laugh how his ads so clearly demonstrate the age of his audience.

    • @mia-tr4shm4n50
      @mia-tr4shm4n50 Před 5 lety +6

      What about ads for caffeine pills?

    • @SuperSupermanX1999
      @SuperSupermanX1999 Před 4 lety +12

      Don't forget about the ad for food stocks for natural disasters. in the land of Ben Shapiro even disaster relief is privatised

    • @dandfuk
      @dandfuk Před 4 lety +2

      He has more ad breaks then a telemarketing channel!

  • @davidnotonstinnett
    @davidnotonstinnett Před 4 lety +400

    I can literally hear you coaching yourself into an American accent.
    "I'm an American, you can't do that to me"

  • @flaminghotcheeto3474
    @flaminghotcheeto3474 Před 9 měsíci +17

    I really hate the “oh but the fetus has fingers and and a heartbeat ” argument. I really don’t care. I don’t care if i find out the fetus has tiny little legs. I don’t care if it’s gonna grow up to be a great doctor. The idea that these things are valued higher than my autonomy, future, health, and happiness, is cruel. I don’t care if i sound selfish. I. DONT. CARE.

  • @prashanthkumaran2768
    @prashanthkumaran2768 Před 2 lety +84

    Welp, gotta re-watch this now that Roe v Wade is in danger and all the Arsonists are coming out of the woodwork

    • @jorb1903
      @jorb1903 Před 2 lety +1

      Yuppp

    • @hiei82
      @hiei82 Před 2 lety +1

      Same

    • @DeathnoteBB
      @DeathnoteBB Před 2 lety +2

      The arsonists have been out of the woodwork since 2014-2016.

  • @LeafItToBasil
    @LeafItToBasil Před 5 lety +800

    "I'm not Evangelical, I was raised Baptist" got me to absolutely *cackle.*

    • @betternow6755
      @betternow6755 Před 5 lety +15

      I don't know about this stuff would you please explain it to me why it's funny

    • @travdump209
      @travdump209 Před 5 lety +60

      A. Dola MgMk “Evangelicals” refers to a certain type of Christian, specifically part of certain sects in the Southern United States. Baptists fit perfectly into the category of Evangelicals, so saying “I’m not Evangelical, I was raised Baptist” is absurd on multiple levels.

    • @Emiltee
      @Emiltee Před 5 lety +20

      As someone raised baptist: most Baptists don't see themselves as evangelical.
      We also all learned the Roman Road, an evangelical technique, in Sunday school at my church.

    • @betternow6755
      @betternow6755 Před 5 lety +4

      @@travdump209 thank you so much!

    • @Emiltee
      @Emiltee Před 5 lety +12

      @@eterlinblue99 i totally agree! i almost mentioned how i've never met a Baptist who didn't think mission work was important (because "spreading god's word"/evangelis, is a huge part of baptism), but I figured the Roman Road comment would get my point across! In case you aren't aware, the Roman Road is a series of verses that's sort of the first line a lot of Christians use when trying to convert someone.
      I was just making a joke about how we all didn't think we were evangelical, but we were teaching kids (and learning as kids) how to proselytize and, yeah, evangelize.

  • @SeymourDisapproves
    @SeymourDisapproves Před 4 lety +2306

    I hate your Ben Shapiro impression but only because it's so accurate

    • @disastermidi1990
      @disastermidi1990 Před 3 lety +64

      It’s so close that if he shaved and got and cut his hair for the bit I would have called the police

    • @MrUndersolo
      @MrUndersolo Před 3 lety +7

      Pretty dead on...

    • @lilacrain3283
      @lilacrain3283 Před 3 lety +9

      DisasterMIDI he’d also have to shrink about a foot and a half

    • @donnchaadams2011
      @donnchaadams2011 Před 3 lety +4

      I know!! Its scary. I was almost shouting counter arguments at my phone. I had to stop myself and remind myself its not actually ben

    • @renendell
      @renendell Před 3 lety +6

      It really helped me realize Ben’s style is far greater than the content of his arguments.

  • @johnadams4427
    @johnadams4427 Před 2 lety +325

    I've already re-watched this three times in preparation for talking to my mom tomorrow.
    Abby, I fucking love you. You've always been an absolutely incredible educator, even before you felt free to be yourself to us online I only hope I can do half as good a job to one person as you have to millions.
    Anyone who reads this: Stay strong. The night is darkest before light breaks.

  • @kaly_ths_291
    @kaly_ths_291 Před rokem +131

    For anyone who might be coming across this video and channel, for the first time, since the topic of abortion is popular these days.
    Here's some context for you:
    The narrator/creator is a woman called Abigail Thorn. She is an actress and educational/philosophy/video essay content creator.
    The video is part of her older work and she is using another name.
    If it still confuses you (for whatever reason), try think of her presence here as a performance of a character, who is also impersonating other characters, for the sake of presentation/impersonation of different viewpoints.

  • @robinvik1
    @robinvik1 Před 3 lety +4610

    "If your P-word get wet, that means you have a yeast infection" - Ben Shapiro, the cool kids philosopher

    • @raanasyed8249
      @raanasyed8249 Před 3 lety +38

      💀

    • @Loki-pz1uk
      @Loki-pz1uk Před 3 lety +208

      I would say his poor wife but she don’t know what she missin 😂😂😭

    • @bismuthcrystal9658
      @bismuthcrystal9658 Před 3 lety +97

      I don't know if i'm glad that i don't know the context, or if i'm sad. Because Ben Shapiro being sexually incompetent is... obvious. But i feel like i might feel pity for the poor sod if i knew just how sad that was. And... eh, screw it, knowledge is always good, time to DuckDuckGo it... what a ride this will be...
      ...Oh. Oh my. Poor Ben. I feel so bad for his wife.

    • @catsnorkel
      @catsnorkel Před 3 lety +118

      @@Loki-pz1uk eh, she probably gets it from someone else on the side anyway. Can you imagine anything more horrific than being in a permanent monogamous relationship with that guy?

    • @Loki-pz1uk
      @Loki-pz1uk Před 3 lety +43

      Moikle I certainly hope not. I advocate for people to communicate and separate if they don’t feel like they can’t peacefully be polyamorous. No point in lying to significant others.

  • @Goblin4Coin
    @Goblin4Coin Před 5 lety +251

    "Doming but instead of a collar and a leash it's a microphone" is something I was not ready for.
    Also I wish I could've watched this during my philosophy course where we talked about the unconscious violinist.

    • @Sackofbooks
      @Sackofbooks Před 5 lety +7

      I'm just wondering how he knows what domming feels like.

    • @schr4nz
      @schr4nz Před 5 lety +13

      @@Sackofbooks clearly he's into some BDSM/other kinky shit

    • @FlorenceFox
      @FlorenceFox Před 5 lety +15

      @@Sackofbooks I would be shocked if Olly wasn't into BDSM, lol.

    • @theoneandonlymichaelmccormick
      @theoneandonlymichaelmccormick Před 4 lety

      Sackobooks ‘Cause Olly F U C K S .

    • @timonschneider6290
      @timonschneider6290 Před 6 měsíci

      @@Sackofbooks She dommed before. Maybe in a sex dungeon not dissimilar from the one in the scene.

  • @yuuriahl
    @yuuriahl Před 4 měsíci +5

    "opposition to government action on climate change, **unleashing the forces of hell on the souls of unsuspecting mortals**-" that caught me so off guard and I love it

  • @katharinakraman6274
    @katharinakraman6274 Před rokem +15

    This! One of the most common pro-choice arguments I encounter time and time again is "a featus isn't a person" and it's always frustrated me because it doesn't matter. The mother's bodily autonomy outweighs everything. It would be simply inhuman to force someone to have a baby and waver their say, no matter the circumstances.

  • @UltimateBurstLP
    @UltimateBurstLP Před 5 lety +769

    Olly I love and respect you but please never make me draw an association between the terms "domming" and "Ben Shapiro" ever again

    • @rix6831
      @rix6831 Před 5 lety +73

      UltimateBurstLP any remotely sexual theme and ben shapiro should be kept far, far apart in my mind

    • @Flanclanman
      @Flanclanman Před 5 lety +16

      I would like to second this sentiment

    • @BramSenders
      @BramSenders Před 5 lety +8

      @@thefelicits In my (limited) experience leftist men are more likely to be the ones to want to be controlled, not the ones doing the controlling

    • @Jon_East
      @Jon_East Před 5 lety +39

      @@thefelicits That's a very heteronormative thing to say. I'm a man, my boyfriend is a man, I'm a dom, he's a sub. You wanna know something fun? He's the kinky one. I'd have never gotten into that space if he hadn't expressed interest in it. And, another thing that's often missed when viewed from the outside: In these relationships, it's most often the sub who's in control.

    • @Jon_East
      @Jon_East Před 5 lety +11

      @@thefelicits Haha wait, you mean Olly Thorn, the bi-est of bisexual CZcamsrs?
      Also, doesn't matter, you made a general statement about people in kink spaces.

  • @Jeddostotle7
    @Jeddostotle7 Před 5 lety +399

    I'm not seeing enough appreciation for the absolutely brilliant line *"Even the Predator knew that, in the documentary Predator 2"* down here in the comments

    • @scottygilmer691
      @scottygilmer691 Před 5 lety +30

      I had no idea it was fully compliant with Alabama Code Title 16 on Sexual Education. I love learning little details and trivia like that. Can't wait to sneak it into conversation at work tomorrow!

    • @MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive
      @MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive Před 5 lety +6

      The Predators mouth would be censored in an Alabama sex ed book.

  • @TheGuyInATie1
    @TheGuyInATie1 Před 6 měsíci +9

    Thank you Abigal for leaving up these great older videos :) I hope you look back with pride, both with your work and who you were then, and who you are now.

  • @amanda-leem7134
    @amanda-leem7134 Před 2 lety +39

    I love listening to you. Especially in contrast to Ben Shapiro. He talks so fast and that's how he 'destroys' people. Because rather than debating him you're just trying to keep up with what he's saying.
    You however are eloquent and well spoken and easy to follow because you are confident in your arguments therefore don't have to try and confuse people

  • @hreskerms
    @hreskerms Před 5 lety +1994

    "If you pull out, he'll die." That's a loaded statement if i ever saw one. Great joke!

  • @sinistersarum8864
    @sinistersarum8864 Před 5 lety +1021

    Playing with x2 speed to get the real Ben Shapiro Experience.

    • @AmateurContendr
      @AmateurContendr Před 5 lety +1

      Not enough Shakey breaths.

    • @carlosfdz7807
      @carlosfdz7807 Před 5 lety +1

      Don't you think that this analogy is wrong in the sense that Tom is not responsible for the kidney failure? Tom did not caused it nor was responsible for it. Maybe the kidney failure was because of irresponsible health habits or just genetics, but how is Tom responsible for that? I don't know any pregnant woman who does not know that unprotected sex can lead to pregnancies, so responsibility is definitely a factor there (assuming the pregnancy was not caused by rape). Dragging Tom into that situation is not analogous to "forcing" a woman to have a baby, because the fetus got there in the first place by a decision of the woman (again assuming it was not rape). I'm not saying that abortion is right or wrong, I'm just saying that it is a faulty analogy.

    • @carlosfdz7807
      @carlosfdz7807 Před 5 lety

      @@fluffy_tail4365 "And in that case the male partner is as responsible as the woman" I agree, but what that has to do with assuming that the value of the woman's decision is higher than the value of human life?
      Also, the man gets weight in the form of financial responsibility because of now we can't make the man pregnant.

    • @fluffy_tail4365
      @fluffy_tail4365 Před 5 lety +3

      @@carlosfdz7807 " I agree, but what that has to do with assuming that the value of the woman's decision is higher than the value of human life? "
      Well, that's the topic of the video??? Why anyone should be forced to give away their bodily autonomy at any time to sustain someone else without their consent, especially if you never agreed? People are not forced to give up kidneys if they want to and can pull out from the agreement up until the last minute

    • @carlosfdz7807
      @carlosfdz7807 Před 5 lety

      @@fluffy_tail4365 "People are not forced to give up kidneys if they want to and can pull out from the agreement up until the last minute" Of course, but that why I mentioned that dialysis exists. That particular decision will not cost the violinist life because he can be in dialysis until someone volunteers with a kidney. That way the violinist life is preserved and Tom's rights are not violated.

  • @chetawesomelaser
    @chetawesomelaser Před 2 lety +18

    The relevance of this video just spiked.

  • @ayeletb.4847
    @ayeletb.4847 Před rokem +24

    god i wish this video stopped being relevant.

  • @OnlyARide
    @OnlyARide Před 5 lety +1732

    Olly, you've really seized the means of production value in this one.

    • @Snow-sx5ev
      @Snow-sx5ev Před 5 lety +20

      Okay this made me chuckle

    • @michikomanalang6733
      @michikomanalang6733 Před 5 lety +14

      Especially with the line, "can have babby"

    • @razornz007
      @razornz007 Před 5 lety +11

      *sensible chuckle*

    • @carolyntalbot947
      @carolyntalbot947 Před 4 lety +2

      @@Snow-sx5ev Well, I chortled at this (and that's fancier, and louder, than chuckling.)

    • @Snow-sx5ev
      @Snow-sx5ev Před 4 lety +10

      @@carolyntalbot947 oh yeah, well I exhaled slightly faster out of my nose, the peak of sophistication

  • @raywilliams5352
    @raywilliams5352 Před 5 lety +321

    "Laughs to avoid being murdered." Watch with the captions on haha, brilliant.

    • @osheenyeeha1162
      @osheenyeeha1162 Před 5 lety +33

      my personal favorite is [violins playing like "Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiit"]

    • @osheenyeeha1162
      @osheenyeeha1162 Před 5 lety +3

      my personal favorite is [violins playing like "Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiit"]

  • @notdestini
    @notdestini Před měsícem +4

    Hearing her talk about potentially graphic processes in the context of trans healthcare hits different in 2024. Devastating beauty indeed, Abi ❤

  • @alexmorrison3442
    @alexmorrison3442 Před 2 lety +23

    I also love how Judith Jarvis Thompson's paper is brought up here, because it was literally covered in my into to ethics class. So, it could be said that if someone would care about the morality of abortion they would consider a thought experiment that is literally taught in ethics 101.

  • @domidextrus
    @domidextrus Před 5 lety +126

    Arsonist: "I need you to look into this camera and admit that you were wrong."
    Tom Petty: (keeps his mouth shut and chooses to remain laying beside Paulo)
    That ending is a downright perfect illustration of the true face of "competitive debaters" like Ben Shapiro. It's worthy of a standing ovation.

    • @Halokon
      @Halokon Před 5 lety +2

      He’s a heartbreaker...

  • @slaterrox23
    @slaterrox23 Před 4 lety +1846

    Olly: "Jesus Christ, I quit smoking that day"
    Next scene, also Olly: *lights smoke*

    • @fern5505
      @fern5505 Před 4 lety +94

      Very ‘The Arsonist’

    • @danger.snakes
      @danger.snakes Před 4 lety +107

      he meant he couldn't bear to smoke another cigarette for the rest of the day

    • @drpg7924
      @drpg7924 Před 4 lety +88

      A Mint cigarette and a good actor goes quite a long way in terms of illusions. I think that's all the mystery going on here.

    • @elephant3109
      @elephant3109 Před 4 lety +29

      also, the lighting of the cigarrette there? it was just made just to make it a lot of smoke, but doesnt light up.

    • @pampullmoose
      @pampullmoose Před 4 lety +42

      I think it was an allusion to our right to bodily autonomy and that we have the right to do things to our bodies even when they are utterly harmful to us

  • @MiraGryseels
    @MiraGryseels Před 4 měsíci +4

    As I'm entering my third trimester of pregnancy, a pregnancy that was both planned and very, very wanted, this video has been on my mind since I saw the two little lines. Finally getting around to rewatching it after dealing with severe anemia, extreme enduring fatigue, mood swings, muscle pain, and acid reflux for the past several months, knowing that I still have months to go... It's actually a huge comfort to me for some reason. Acknowledging the body horror of going through something like pregnancy means more to me than people telling me how beautiful it is, how it'll all be worth it, how I 'should' 'enjoy my pregnancy'. I chose to do this, and the thing that emboldens me to see it through -besides the promise of a beautiful child that I already love so much- is that I had the freedom to choose not to. I was able to plan for it, and give up these nine months of my life to grow another human being. I very much look forward to meeting her, and not being pregnant anymore. I think making the choice to have a child is only made more beautiful by having the option to choose not to. Thanks for the video, Abby.

    • @ruaraidh74
      @ruaraidh74 Před 2 měsíci

      You do have the freedom to choose not to. It's called don't put sperm in your vagina while ovulating if you don't want to. But yeah pregnancy is nuts. It sucks hard. 100% with you there. Just think your "the choice to have a child" is just you looking through your silly rose-tinted goggles. Everybody has the choice to not have a child. Some people are just "pro-choice" which means they think that choice extends well into when you already have a child.

  • @niinestormtv2331
    @niinestormtv2331 Před 2 lety +15

    The most amazing part is how she managed to remake Shapiro’s talking speed. No small feat

  • @TeTaongaKorora
    @TeTaongaKorora Před 5 lety +867

    If you watch this on 1.5x speed his Ben Shapiro impersonation becomes a Jordan Peterson impersonation

    • @Arrakiz666
      @Arrakiz666 Před 5 lety +105

      It's uncanny how interchangeable these conservative pundits are.

    • @EvadingCreation
      @EvadingCreation Před 5 lety +26

      Lmao holy shit you're right

    • @ConfuzzledTomato
      @ConfuzzledTomato Před 5 lety +39

      @@Arrakiz666 not really, no. JBP is more demure and talks about random mythology bullshit

    • @SchiwiM
      @SchiwiM Před 5 lety +9

      It was already hard on 1.25 😄

    • @MsGoldenEra
      @MsGoldenEra Před 5 lety +4

      LMFAO

  • @elliesuccs
    @elliesuccs Před 5 lety +355

    remember the one argument - if u were in a fertility clinic and there was a fire. and u could save 500 embryos to be implanted or u could save a five year old child, who would you save ?
    no one would pick the embryos. no one actually values embryos over children.
    edit: someone mentioned you could tweak the question to not "who would you save" but "which decision is more moral ?"
    ive also seen a lot of people mention bias towards protecting children, but if that truly was the case at hand surely people would empathize with the even younger embryos.

    • @jaromanderson2877
      @jaromanderson2877 Před 5 lety +7

      DAMN

    • @Shasos
      @Shasos Před 5 lety +38

      i thought of this as soon as the arsonist mentioned a 'fire', reckon he put his wife into that very scenario

    • @QuikVidGuy
      @QuikVidGuy Před 5 lety +25

      Sometimes, after you point that out, they say things like "um wait the embryos! I don't care if its not my kid!" Or "the kid might be able to get out on his own!"
      So they really just dont care about people

    • @wschippr1
      @wschippr1 Před 5 lety +12

      Kelvin Caraballo
      That's not really equivalent. However, I will agree that the reason people pick the child isn't because of reason or logic. It's because people have an innate instinct to protect children. Which is why most people would pick saving an eight year old over a sixteen year old.

    • @jamesoleary2476
      @jamesoleary2476 Před 5 lety +2

      trashbabytrash bad argument. I would save a 5 year old over an eighty year old

  • @iLuvSmartCars
    @iLuvSmartCars Před 2 lety +29

    I’m watching this video again now that the US Supreme Court is talking about overturning Roe v. Wade. Amazing work, Abby.

    • @iLuvSmartCars
      @iLuvSmartCars Před rokem +3

      And here I am, back again, since Roe v Wade was overturned. 😮‍💨

  • @kirkjackson9820
    @kirkjackson9820 Před 2 lety +17

    "cis man" aged like milk

  • @materg7505
    @materg7505 Před 5 lety +1100

    Tom Gently has come a long way. I remember when he was just a small time guest on Reasonablest Bear's YT channel.

    • @HomoChomsky
      @HomoChomsky Před 5 lety +166

      Leftube Cinematic Universe deep lore, right there

    • @5Amigos32
      @5Amigos32 Před 5 lety +60

      I was always a bigger fan of rational big boy myself

    • @Adraria8
      @Adraria8 Před 5 lety +106

      I support the existence of a fictional universe of parody right wing commentators that is used universally throughout lefttube

    • @cacksm0ker
      @cacksm0ker Před 5 lety +61

      RIP in peace Reasonablest Bear

    • @Preda.Y
      @Preda.Y Před 5 lety +13

      God I hope the LCU just gets more and more intricate until we need a full continuity reboot

  • @jeova0sanctus0unus
    @jeova0sanctus0unus Před 4 lety +721

    "But speaking about medical horror."
    Me: OH GOD please not more!"
    "Here is Denis Prager."
    Me: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

  • @nephone
    @nephone Před rokem +11

    This channel is like a bbc or netflix production documentary series. I can't stop rewatching.

  • @vvieites001
    @vvieites001 Před rokem +24

    And the fact of the matter is, even if the fetus is a full blown person, no person gets to use another’s body/organs to sustain their life against that person’s will. Why should we give a fetus more rights than any other person gets AND more rights than they’d have after they’re born. And if you want to compare to a situation where someone could be said to have a responsibility to the dying person, say a child inherits a gene for some disease from their parent, and now the child needs a blood transfusion, bone marrow, or even an organ to survive the disease. Should the government be able to legally enforce the parent to give those things to their child, all because they inadvertently passed down a certain gene to their child, brought them into the world, and now the child developed said disease? I don’t mean, does the parent have a moral duty to save their child, out of the goodness or kindness of their heart, because they are partially responsible for that child developing the disease. I mean, should this kind of violation of one’s body be state-mandated? Keep in mind, not everything we deem morally good is legally enforced, and not everything deemed bad by society is illegal

    • @mindmoths
      @mindmoths Před rokem +1

      Hi, just trying to rationalize an opinion here, the gene analogy is great food for thought, even if the parent was aware of the gene and had 9 children all to die I dont think we could justify making a Monty Python organ donor skit on him, I agree
      However, not eviscerating him is an non action, abortion is very much an action, might be a difference there.
      How would you justify that a conjoined twin killing their sibling as a way to uphold his own body autonomy should be legally punishable, but a woman killing his child for the same reasons (and considering the two as human just like the video) should not
      Just curious for your opinion, have a good day

  • @ethanmagnuson2988
    @ethanmagnuson2988 Před 5 lety +858

    Olly: "...and graphic violins"
    Everyone: *groans*

    • @irisgarner5274
      @irisgarner5274 Před 5 lety +12

      I did, literally, groan at that one. The puns in this one are torturous and delicious.

    • @damonenfurst6662
      @damonenfurst6662 Před 5 lety +17

      That totally went over my head.

    • @ramywiles
      @ramywiles Před 5 lety +3

      I mean, him butchering that Haydn was pretty graphic

    • @101spacemonkey
      @101spacemonkey Před 5 lety

      This one went over my head

    • @ajmeyers5661
      @ajmeyers5661 Před 5 lety

      @@ramywiles *"him butchering that Haydn"* - Are you talking about Shapiro? I'll have to go back and re-watch/re-listen; I think I zoned out for a bit at that point.

  • @Hazel-xl8in
    @Hazel-xl8in Před 3 lety +768

    “Laughs to avoid being murdered”
    i need to watch with closed captions more often

  • @fern5505
    @fern5505 Před 2 lety +23

    We’re fucked
    Also watching Abi’s old videos is so weird and funny because it’s like, that’s Abi, but not quite.

    • @saraa.4295
      @saraa.4295 Před 2 lety +3

      I know what you mean...if ot gets to weird for me i just imagine the guy in the videos is abbys cute little brother ;)

  • @rachelmarie1530
    @rachelmarie1530 Před 2 lety +23

    I don’t know if “I’m not evangelical, I was raised baptist,” was supposed to be a joke but that made me LOL

  • @hisako-1984
    @hisako-1984 Před 5 lety +4539

    Shen Bapiro Destroyed by a Philospher in a Sex Dungeon
    Think I might die laughing and crying at how amazing this one is.

    • @schr4nz
      @schr4nz Před 5 lety +24

      I know right? I'm going to re-watch it

    • @jackakimbo5718
      @jackakimbo5718 Před 5 lety +189

      ...but enough about how Ben spends his weekends, let's talk about the video instead.

    • @jamesclark7827
      @jamesclark7827 Před 5 lety +68

      Ben Shapiro DESTROYED by Philosopher in a Sex Dungeon

    • @Advent3546
      @Advent3546 Před 5 lety +27

      Philosopher? I think you mean ARSONIST!

    • @omnidiscord
      @omnidiscord Před 5 lety +4

      Jack Akimbo 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • @BrineWalsh
    @BrineWalsh Před 5 lety +686

    olly your Ben Shapiro impression is terrifying stop it

    • @nootnewt9323
      @nootnewt9323 Před 5 lety +76

      He even got the annoying camera angles down

    • @edienandy
      @edienandy Před 4 lety +8

      He’s alright but he needs to be louder and his voice needs to be more nasal and high pitched.

    • @SorchaSublime
      @SorchaSublime Před 4 lety +5

      @@edienandy theres only so far you can go before it starts making the video unenjoyable.

  • @SeasickSkeleton
    @SeasickSkeleton Před 9 měsíci +7

    24:30 the impression was so good that I registered that Tom misgendered Abigail, but then I remembered this was 4 years ago and that was Abigail misgendering herself

  • @outshriek
    @outshriek Před rokem +14

    anyone else is here after row v wade got overturned in the US?

  • @cindychung7002
    @cindychung7002 Před 5 lety +233

    Taking video in portrait mode?! He is a monster!

    • @taj4137
      @taj4137 Před 5 lety

      It's perfect on my phone bc I can zoom in!

  • @PVolkovX
    @PVolkovX Před 5 lety +762

    (Detailed description of a surgery) Me: Fascinating
    (Uncanny Ben Shapiro impersonation) Me: *shudders*

    • @matthewbrandt5053
      @matthewbrandt5053 Před 5 lety +25

      To me at least, I find a stark beauty in human anotomy and medicine. Seeing how a heart beats have an odd yet intriuging draw to me. Though to have to ait through ben shaperio was one of the most challenging events intellectually for me. I swear every moment he speaks it causes more braincells to shut down their synapses.

    • @skywise8
      @skywise8 Před 5 lety +24

      accurate. medicine is a fascinating subject, Ben Shapiro is disgusting.

    • @zotaninoron3548
      @zotaninoron3548 Před 5 lety +2

      @starvingartistmc It very much depends on the person. Quite a many people cannot help but internalize the deforming of the functioning body that renders them deeply uncomfortable to see a surgery cutting into people or potentially animals. For myself, I cannot avoid getting into the hypothetical headspace of suffering or dying animals, so I've had to ask my vet tech girlfriend to not tell me stories of animal trauma or tragedy at work.

    • @zotaninoron3548
      @zotaninoron3548 Před 5 lety

      @starvingartistmc I agree it is a perspective thing. It is not something everyone has trouble with. It is also not a deliberative response, but an immediate visceral one. And, for most people, something that can be overcome with repeated exposure if their interest is to treat animals in that fashion.
      And there are times when a dog's stitches break as they're leaving the hospital and their guts pour out and the only thing to do is to scoop'm up and take the dog back into surgery. And plenty of antibiotics in the followup treatment. :\

    • @zotaninoron3548
      @zotaninoron3548 Před 5 lety +1

      @starvingartistmc Yeah, It is specifically those stories that I ask my girlfriend not to share.
      We actually have a cat that we fostered, then adopted, that died while being rescued from a hoarder because of severe malnutrition and anemia due to flea infestation. (She arrested during transport.)
      Fortunately she got better and was successfully resuscitated at the intake facility.
      I call her Zombie and she is the most aggressively cuddly cat in the world. All she wants to do is curl up with you and purr in your face.
      I joke that she died for our sins and is my personal lord and savior.

  • @JesterAzazel
    @JesterAzazel Před 2 lety +10

    This video is about to blow up.
    The captions are hilarious. Turn them on!

  • @jsampaiotsl
    @jsampaiotsl Před 9 dny +3

    Clicking on old videos is wild. The absolute trainwreck of thoughts going from "Wait, who's this?" "Is this another channel? I thought I clicked... nope, it's the same" "Apparently Philosophy Tube had different people 4 years ago" to a solid 2 minutes before "oh riiiight... I might be dumb".
    My intellectual shortcomings aside, this was a great video, brilliantly presented arguments. Also creepy as hell, in the best of ways. Shoutout to domming with a microphone

  • @MelissaTreglia
    @MelissaTreglia Před 4 lety +328

    Okay, The Arsonist is probably my favourite villainous character now.

    • @saintbeau2779
      @saintbeau2779 Před 4 lety +36

      unironically better written than most film villains. he's like a regular dr. lecter

    • @SorchaSublime
      @SorchaSublime Před 4 lety +14

      @@saintbeau2779 he wouldnt feel out of place in a film noir

  • @alexpigeon692
    @alexpigeon692 Před 5 lety +541

    almost accurate but ben shapiro would never use the term indigenous folks

    • @astaiannymph
      @astaiannymph Před 5 lety +42

      I think it's useful to see that the bad arguments and style are worth discussing on their own without any inflammatory language.

    • @seelcudoom1
      @seelcudoom1 Před 5 lety +21

      well he would, just as long as the place they are indigenous to is europe

    • @jlewis_yt
      @jlewis_yt Před 5 lety +2

      He would also never say "phantom right in the penumbra of the law" lol, conservatives aren't intelligent enough for that level of articulateness :D

    • @kittredge5167
      @kittredge5167 Před 5 lety

      @@seelcudoom1 Oh, and why is that?

    • @musicnoonelikes
      @musicnoonelikes Před 5 lety

      Native Israelis

  • @angeladelgado7668
    @angeladelgado7668 Před 2 lety +61

    I'm rewatching in light of the recent US Supreme Court betrayal. This is the exact argument that made me pro-choice - I first read it in Susan Bordo's book Unbearable Weight and had been loosely pro-life until then. I've never been in the position of wanting or needing an abortion, but that's all the more reason to leave the decision up to the person directly involved.
    Thank you for all your research and hard work in all of your videos. I always appreciate the consideration you give to each topic.

  • @kbarteaux9807
    @kbarteaux9807 Před 2 lety +11

    coming back for a refresher viewing because of the met gala.... I mean... wait that's not right

  • @bessh2501
    @bessh2501 Před 5 lety +749

    You know that the Arsonist is a monster because he records videos vertically. WHO DOES THAT?

    • @Arrakiz666
      @Arrakiz666 Před 5 lety +19

      Boomers, that's who.

    • @SherlocksLeftNipple
      @SherlocksLeftNipple Před 5 lety +26

      .... *slowly raises hand, because I'm clumsy and scared I'll drop my phone*

    • @Cyromantik
      @Cyromantik Před 5 lety +4

      @@SherlocksLeftNipple get one of those finger ring things, they help out marvelously.

    • @ArloMathis
      @ArloMathis Před 5 lety +11

      In this SPECIFIC case and those like it, the vertical orientation can be useful to either capture taller subjects from the viewing angle or crop out things you don't want to capture.

    • @Alejandro-te2nt
      @Alejandro-te2nt Před 5 lety

      85% of fights on worldstar

  • @CoryMck
    @CoryMck Před 5 lety +503

    *_"horrifying alien who kill men for sport... and the predator"_*
    *Wait... Which one is Dennis?*

    • @james-cal
      @james-cal Před 5 lety +10

      Cory Mck 😂

    • @sint0xicateme
      @sint0xicateme Před 5 lety +13

      thatsthejoke.jpg

    • @CoryMck
      @CoryMck Před 5 lety +44

      @@sint0xicateme actually the joke is that "horrifying alien who kill men for sport" wasn't supposed to describe the predator. (hence the pause before subverting expectation).
      My joke is that "the predator" is still a very accurate descriptor for Dennis. A person who preys on conspiracy theories and ignorance .gif

    • @nickblank5712
      @nickblank5712 Před 5 lety +1

      @@CoryMck shoulda just let it hang :)

    • @hanna-liminal
      @hanna-liminal Před 5 lety +1

      @@sint0xicateme WELL, TOM,,, THAT'S TH

  • @ernest3286
    @ernest3286 Před 2 lety +10

    I've watched a couple different videos of yours now, but this is the one that earned my subscription. You do fabulous work!

  • @thegoblin2004
    @thegoblin2004 Před rokem +9

    Even pre transition Abbi's hair was glorious