Does Cine EI Actually Make The Sony FX3 image Better?
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- A series of indoor and outdoor tests on the Sony FX3 to compare Cine EI with Flexible ISO in Slog 3. Image quality, sharpness and noise.
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TABLE OF CONTENTS:
0:00 - Intro
0:44 - Testing Parameters
2:34 - Comparison Tests
3:54 - Outdoor Test Results
4:26 - Indoor Test Results
5:30 - Noise Reduction
6:26 - Comparing Base ISOs
7:46 - Takeaways & Conclusion
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I forgot to mention one thing. If you want to get the best possible image quality while shooting in Flexible ISO (Slog 3) make sure you only set the ISO to 640 or 12,800. If you use other ISO values it will then deviate from the image quality of Cine EI.
still using Flexible ISO 640/12800, allows for safer filming redundancy - internal recording + HDMI output recording ProRes. CINE EI limits HDMI output to 1080 when dual recording as far as I can tell.
So 640 not 800 in flexible iso?? Wich EI do you use and zebra values when you use s709 LUT? I see that LUT on changes zebra and histogram values in camera🫣
@@loadedmultimedia i can't get Flexible Iso to give me 4k HDMI output either, don't you have to switch off log shooting, and then make a picture profile that mimics log? impossibly annoying feature... i can understand why they needed to do it but there was no reason to get rid of PP8 or 9!! that would've fixed the issue, other than not being able to use Cine EI
Because of your last few videos I'm completely spun up on Cine EI. I filmed my last video with it and love the outcome bi used 12800 like you suggested and had a great time in post.
That's awesome! So glad you have been enjoying the videos and finding them helpful. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for this video, really helpful.
You're welcome. Glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching!
The perfect "Son, I am disappointed" glare section begins at about 3:15.
Great set of tests!
Haha. I should try and remember to smile when doing those tests. Thanks for watching!
Great tests my bro.
Thanks Jason! 👊
You’re a hater!
Excellent comparison Josh, and I can’t see any real difference…. I did notice a very slight shadow detail difference in some of the indoor comparisons, but I figured a slight exposure difference was the cause.
Thanks Jay! Yeah, I didn't include this in the video but by changing the color grade and exposure I can get them to basically look identical.
Im sick of every youtuber comparing the same damn thing over and over again like no one has ever done it before. Finally some original comparison every fx3 owner can benefit from. Thank you
You’re welcome. I was personally curious about this and couldn’t find a video so I figured I would make it and hopefully people would find it helpful. Thanks for watching!
I upgraded to FX3 from A7SIII (and updated to Firmware 2.0), and I also set up everything the same as I had it in the A7SIII, but one thing I did notice while shooting in Flexible ISO mode on FX3, is that at 12,800 I do see more noise in the FX3 than the A7SIII (where I almost couldn't tell the difference between 12, 800 and 640). I've heard it could be because A7S applied slightly more noise reduction at higher base ISO? End of the day I'm pixel peeping and I don't want to shoot at 12,800 if I can avoid it anyways. But great videos Josh, subscribed!!!
I have this feature in my s1h and s1 and I just leave it on auto. It complicates to shoot in two iso points when run and gunning during weddings. I try my best to stay at 640 and 4000 but sometimes the situation requires more “light” so being stuck at two levels would limit things especially if my aperture was already wide open.
I'm a little late to the party, but thanks for all the Cine EI videos - still helpful, even a year later!
You're welcome Taylor. Glad they are helpful for you!
Cine ei gives a slighter flatter, less contrasted look, and is less orange in the skin tones. I'm sure a look at the verctorscopes could confirm this if pixel peeping isn't helping to distinguish the two. Tha k you for this comparison!
thank you very much
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Great video! Just got my Sony FX3. Switched over from the Panasonic GH5. I shoot music videos, what would be the best settings you recommend?
Thanks! Here is a full setup guide for the FX30, which is pretty much the same as the FX3: czcams.com/video/QNlL9nn_ikQ/video.html
@@Josh_Sattin Thank you! I’m new to Sony and been trying to find the best settings and came across your page. Appreciate you🙏🏾
You're welcome! There is a lot of Sony content on my channel. If you to to my actual page it is organized by camera. Good luck!
Hi man. Great comparison. I shoot documentaries. I've been used to shooting in slog 3 with exposure comp set to +1,7. I normally only shoot in ISO 640 or 12800 and try to ND the exposure to match those iso values. Is it the best way to get as much dynamic range as possible? Does the camera have more dynamic range at iso 12800 than ex. 3200 because 12800 is base?
Do you find that +1.7 do be accurate when exposing for S-Log3? I did some tests and had an easier time color correcting when the metering read lower. Maybe it's because my ISO was too high during the test for those examples though?
@@VideoJTS I find the exposure to be find. I just add a lut and do minor adjustments. I often lower the opacity of the lut layer because it can be a tiny bit too contrasty imo
hellou! thanks for the video!! do you shoot with S-Gamut3.Cine/S-Log3 or S-Gamut3/S-Log3? I cant get rit of some major noise issues even when on 800base iso.
You're welcome. I always shoot in S-Gamut3.Cine. Check out this video about exposing and grading Slog3: czcams.com/video/Z4Ic19eP36Y/video.html
Do you need to use ND filter when you are shooting in Flexible ISO?
I like idea of shooting in Cine EI but can’t figure out how to grade it afterwards if it’s a dynamic scene and the exposure is changing. I usually use auto ISO while filming to manage exposure. Any tips? What am I missing?
Hey there! Did you watch this full explanation of Cine EI that I made yet?
czcams.com/video/oAM1RRcGuss/video.html
@@Josh_Sattin I just rewatched it. Got my question answered - Cine EI is not a great solution for solo content creators in run and gun situations with quickly changing conditions. I'm currently using Flexible ISO and it's working fine, was just curious if I could eke out a little more dynamic range out of my FX3 (which no one would ever notice 🤣🤣)
If you use flexible iso mode, is the native iso still 640 (as it was before the v2 update) or is it now 800 along with the cine EI mode?
did you watch the video? He mentions it multiple times...
@@Gloomwithaview He mentions it once but point taken.
Ohhh mannn, honestly I like flexible, the image looks more pleasing! But the details are more visible on CI
I think colours are slightly different. In CINE EI it seems to lean a little bit towards green/yellow skintones
If you are referring to the outside tests, the sun and clouds were changing as I was filming. I think that accounts for the differences. I mentioned that in the video. Thanks for watching!
@@Josh_Sattin no I’m specifically referring to indoor shots with controlled lighting.
Cine EI looks more like those “old Sony colors” with more sickly looking skin.
While Flexible ISO seems to have more magenta
@@Josh_Sattin I have rewatched it again and I'm not sure at this point. Maybe the lighting is just a little bit different and that's why it looks like a slight difference
@@Arseny.Petukhov Yeah. Thanks for looking at the images again. I stared at them so many times trying to find a difference and really couldn't.
Responding to this since I am using the evidence here to back some claims... There is a difference between the two profiles. Cine EI is much closer to fx6 with lower contrast and changes to color. Quick and original firmware had higher contrast and more saturated colors and this is clearly visible in the video here. Slightly different, but it is there. The face shots and contrast of the beard as well as skin tone gives it away clearly.
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why in some places it is 800 and not 640, I am confused by all the conflicting information 😅 (slog3)
Which camera are you using?
@@Josh_Sattin I mean on the camera it seems clear it is 800 for the fx3 and sony websites but some oyher articles from Somy too say otherwise lol. Maybe there was an update at some point. I would think that it depends on the format you are recording such as slog3. But they themself create confusion. I was just settingmy camera for a shoot tomorrow, so was refreshing my mind to it lol
It actually depends on the camera. Before V2.00 on the FX3 the base ISO was 640. After v2.00 it was 800 in Cine EI. I covered that in this video when the update came out: czcams.com/video/VjkEqgT00Ik/video.html
NOW my question is do I still need to be over by 1,7 on the meter with the ciné EI ? Or the goal is now to keep +00 ?
And with flexible ISO do I still need to be over as usual ?
czcams.com/video/Z4Ic19eP36Y/video.html
@@Josh_Sattin Cold you please tell me, because i'm not sure that i got it !! should i stem stick to + 1,7 or stick to 00 now ? pleaaaase ;)
@@regievisiobox1272 Please check out the link that I provided. It's how I expose Slog3
czcams.com/video/Z4Ic19eP36Y/video.html
Is cine EI the reason it's being supported for Netflix production now?
People have been making that hypothesis. I don't know though.
It’s the time code capabilities
I enjoy your videos, but I will return for the reagea music
Thanks. More reggae coming!
I see no difference
Could easily tell the difference, more DR on EI