Top 5 Good Omens 2 Theories | Breakdown and Speedpaint
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- So this video turned out to be a LOT longer than I had anticipated, but I had so much fun making it! I am debunking most of these, but that doesn't mean I don't find it incredible just how many theories and ideas this fandom has, and how much thought has clearly gone into them all!
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00:00 Intro
01:29 The Coffee Theory
09:49 The Body Swap Theory
13:37 The Lie Theory
16:33 The Magic Trick You Didn't See
30:54 Was Crowley an Archangel?
37:05 Bonus! AziRAPHALE = Raphael???
39:06 Outro - Zábava
Regarding Crowley being an angel, there was one more name the fans are throwing around and thats Baraqiel. Because in episode 4, Furfur has a book of angels and the entry before Aziraphale, it talks about an angel called Baraqiel, who is the Angel of the sky and has red hair.
I had noticed that too although i think that book was written by demons after the fall as a tool for identifying the opposition, so it wouldn’t make much sense for Crowley to be in it. But equally it could be a fun little Easter egg foreshadowing a reveal in season 3
How could you miss Baraquiel!
@@Sentientmatter8 because I have the memory of a goldfish and by the time I got to that point in the script I’d already had my brain fried by the ‘magic trick’ theory. So apologies XD
This theory strikes me pretty thin -- the book is going to have them listed alphabetically, chances that they're A & B in this book seems pretty silly. 10 million angels fell, the book isn't going to include all of them, but still...
I suspect it’s a red herring, but what a beast of a fish it is when there’s details in Enoch about Baraquiel teaching men about astrology 👀
One thing I haven't seen people talk about yet is that aziraphale had started to turn the offer down "I don't want to go to heaven!" saying how he liked the stuff on earth, until metatron responds by saying Crowley could come with him. The ONLY thing he was excited about was bringing Crowley, and then when Crowley turns him down he kind of becomes defensive of the choice as a whole in his rejection, despite not originally wanting the job, and the deal maker aspect being removed.
This is unfortunately so realistic to how people make decisions in real life 😭 when people feel rejected and defensive, they double down on the argument they made even if they weren't convinced of it in the first place. They don't like being made to feel stupid for considering it, and so they shut off completely and try to prove why it isn't stupid by committing to it, even if it's the wrong decision.
Obviously Crowley is completely right to be shocked and angry at Aziraphale's offer, but it was unfortunately likely his extreme negative reaction that cemented Aziraphale in it 😭 every time in the past Crowley has managed to convince Aziraphale, he's gently prodded at the flaws in his logic and slowly eased him into trying new things.
If he hadn't repeated over and over that aziraphale was stupid for even considering it and that OBVIOUSLY it was the wrong decision, aziraphale probably could have been eased back over to refusing with an attitude of "I understand why you're considering this, but you trust me right? Please trust me when I say I don't like this and I don't trust them and I want to stay here with you because I love what we have."
Of course, Crowley's reaction is still completely justified 😅 Aziraphale has had so MUCH character growth it can be hard to remember how repressed and abused he was by heaven so the backslide would be SO disappointing
This is a really good point! We see it in season one and in the beginning of season 2, that Aziraphale is very stubborn and always digs his heels in when they have a disagreement only to regret it later. Impulsive decisions like this are actually pretty in character for him
To add to my monologue 😅:
Aziraphales relationship with heaven is SO ACCURATE to how abusive families and relationships work.
1. Constantly refusing to see the abusive pattern by disguising it with "they're usually good, this behaviour is the exception!"
2. Abusive relationships are rarely abusive 100% of the time, and the constant rejection and dismissal breeds a desperation for approval that lets the occasional lavishing of attention reinforce the codependency- the metatron giving a small treat and lavishing praise to make him feel special and loved makes him feel "oh things are different now!! They've changed! Finally they can see my value and it'll be like I always hoped it would be!! With absolutely no proof of commitment to that change.
"I think I've really misjudged the Metatron!"
3. Trying to talk people put of abusive relationships/cults by expressing hatred or dislike for them or trying to make the person see reason does not work. They are desperate for stability and control and making them feel like they can't trust you to act calmly and respect their decision will make them pull away from you very quickly. Building up the emotional resources to abandon what's familiar and suffer the distress and uncertainty it takes to get to a better situation is VERY HARD when you're in constant survival mode, and takes a lot of time and support. Trying to confront someone about it to get them to leave just makes them panic and retreat back into the familiar 'safety' of the abuse and ends up leaving them with less support for them to be able to make that decision on their own. Aziraphale has just been promised the love of heaven which he's wanted all his life and feels rejected by Crowley, even if he loves him. Of course he goes with heaven. It's the 'easier', more familiar choice.
Omg I just realised Crowley kissing him probably made it worse 😭 instead of considering his life with Crowley as another comfortable and familiar option, the kiss makes the comfort of their status quo different and scary and new and "oh god what would that even be like I don't know fuck it could be great but I don't know!!!!"
@@kateisblue yes this!!
I think Crowley also enables Aziraphale at times. As Aziraphale said, he likes saving him, but I think at times it hinders his growth like when he wouldn't even let Aziraphale make a suggestion when he was evacuating the humans because as Nina and Maggie stated they don't actually talk. A lot of Crowley and Aziraphale's discussions on morality tends to be more philosophical, so neither entity fully understands the personal trauma the other went through.
The reason the ending was so potent in season 2, was because both Crowley and Aziraphale made the choices they made of their own free will.
It’s also needed so they both learn and grow and hopefully get back together.
I agree with your sentiment that Crowley and Aziraphale just being regular angels is more interesting, but it looks more and more like canon Crowley used to be a high-ranking archangel. I honestly don't care what angel Crowley used to be, because he's Crowley now and Crowley is who we care about. I'm also glad you acknowledged Aziraphale's character development in the earlier theories. I can't get behind any of these theories about why Aziraphale didn't /actually/ abandon Crowley, because him going back to Heaven of his own free will is just more interesting than if he didn't. It gives him room for character growth, which is absolutely critical here. The flashbacks in season 2 reinforce Aziraphale's binary view of Heaven and Hell, and six thousand years of propaganda and being under the thumb of Heaven is hard to undo in four years.
There are definitely some theories that are better than others, if Aziraphale lied to Crowley it could still be considered a partial betrayal, and he might have to confront the fact that when panicked he tends to not to tell Crowley things, but none of them are as good as the way it seems in the surface where the break up was 100% real and they have to deal with the consequences of that
Show canon Crowley is clearly higher ranking. Book canon Crowley was just an ordinary unimportant demon.
@@Sentientmatter8 Yeah It’s something they’ve definitely highlighted in season two, whereas in season one it was much more of a stretch and only a possibility
Oh god oh god i think i may finally understand what would make Aziraphale say "i forgive you" after the kiss, like it didnt make sense to me because it felt intentionally devastating in an OOC way as if he wanted it to hurt but obviously he was just scared and upset
Did he think Crowley had kissed him, not out of wanting to, but out of a desperate manipulation to get him to stay 🥺 he thinks crowley knew about his feelings and tried to use them and lie, because he didn't want to lose his friend? Hes forgiving him for crowley kissing him even though he didnt mean it, basically "its bad of you to pretend you return my feelings to manipulate me, that hurt a lot, but i forgive you because i know you're desperate and scared" 🥺
FUCK!!!!
Oh god that would make so much sense!
@@Naumaxia he breaks the kiss in tears and confusion, then thinks, takes a breath and says "I forgive you." He's obviously not disgusted or angry at the idea of Crowley kissing him, he's just momentarily devastated that Crowley would hurt him like that 🥺😫
Okay I may have to write my first fanfic
Aziraphale tends to say "I forgive you" to Crowley when he can't handle his own feelings. The phrase is a way of putting the responsibility for this on Crowley.
@@kore5080 oh god you're right 😭
The eccles cakes don't vanish. There are two horse statues, one either side of the door. The cakes were near one, the glasses were on the other. I know this from previously trawling through scenes to construct the bookshop in the Sims. I watched back after reading the document - couple of hours I'm never getting back - and the cakes are on the right as you face the door from the interior. The glasses are on the left. But also, it had been a while and Aziraphale probably would have moved them eventually anyway.
Ah awesome thanks! I missed that, but luckily it backs up my point about this theory being suspect anyway
And even if they didn’t vanish the focus on them isn’t really weird. “(Coffee) Does it calm you down? No.” Eccles cakes calm down let’s get some. They were for Crowley and he just left it’s just to emphasize things went wrong and they should have talked it out instead of him leaving immediately which isn’t even the first time because again they have issues.
Zira thinks he can change heaven to make it better for Crowley❤❤
Thank you for that wonderful video.
I am totally with you on Aziraphales smile when he steps into the elevator. For me he seemed like he knew he had to go but didn't want to. Also him looking out the window where Crowley stands at the car is an indicator for that.
I think everything they said was in character. And I really hope for season 3 to solve that tension of Aziraphale wanting to go back to heaven and Crowley always wanting to run away. I think what everyone forgets is that they didn't want to split up. They saw different paths for the future. But both clearly state, they want to be together.
I think it's incredible writing. Yes, it hurts. But in a way that makes sense. It seems to tie in with them splitting up in season one, it is in character. And it's a perfect setup for a possible season 3 where Aziraphale gets the plans for the Second Coming because he is in heaven and kind of takes over the same role Crowley had in season one where he delivered the Antichrist. Its the perfect setup for a mirror of season one.
So glad you enjoyed it!!
And yeah I think the writing was brilliant and really well thought out! The finale does hurt but it’s going to be so worth it when we get to see how it’s al resolved next season!!
The theory about Aziraphale being Raphael in the past might still hold water. When they were about to demote Gabriel, they were going to erase his memories. If Aziraphale did get demoted, his memories could have been erased too.
That’s a very good point! It would have to have been pretty early on, but it’s totally possible
@@Naumaxia I actually think Aziraphale being a former Archangel might be more interesting than Crowley being one because Crowley mentioned that he wasn't the original concept designer for the universe which makes me wonder that maybe Aziraphale was the one who actually designed the universe before he had his memory wiped.
@@ThePrincessCH I felt like the implication there was that the original concept designer was god. But you could have a point
@@Naumaxia The way I see it, God commissioned the plans for the universe, Aziraphale worked on the concept design, and Crowley and the other angels helped with the construction. Heaven is presented as an office, so it would be an interesting idea.
I agreed with everything you said about the Magic Trick theory.
I didn’t even finish reading the doc. I just didn’t think “to intentionally write badly” when there’d be at least two years gap between seasons would work at all. No one would go back to find clues and most of the audience aren’t theory fans. It’d be impossible to convince and remind the audience what happened in previous season.
Also, it seemed to claim that this season’s writing was So bad that for the theory to work they needed to find more badly written stuff to feed the theory. Why not just say that they dislike this season? Personally I found loose ends and some parts I didn’t love as much but the writing was not bad at all to me?
And as far as those Neil Gaiman’s works I’ve read or watch, he could bring some tricks or come up with some twist but even then how he told a story was relatively straightforward. He’s not Steven Moffat (as in passionate about designing every plot twist that the audience didn’t see coming). And Neil Gaiman oftentimes showcased characters’ choices and flaws. I’ve not yet found an example where he made a character do something solely for plot twists and not because that made sense to that character.
Anyway, thanks for this video and your efforts put into it. I enjoyed watching this!
Glad you enjoyed it! And yeah I’m a big believer in the idea that twists or theories should be relatively well sign posted if you want the audience to see them. It’s why I find the idea that Crowley might be an archangel rather convincing, because season 2 has drawn more attention to this, whereas the idea that tiny inconsistencies are a sign of a massive world breaking plot that would change the foundation of the whole story doesn’t feel realistic at all
Crowley was talking to Gabriel about being an amnesiac and I think he suspiciously related to it... someone could write a really good fanfiction where aziraphale and crowley fell in love as angels but then crowley forgot
Crowley forgetting everything is definitely a theory that could be true! There’s not a lot of evidence to suggest anything for either side of that argument (hence why I didn’t cover it) but it could make for some really interesting twists to the story
I read a fic kinda similar where Crowley got his memories erased repeatedly. It's called "pull towards heaven" by JRaylin441 on AO3
But Crowley says "they never change their passwords" when he's accessing the higher-level-clearance info on Gabriel in heaven. If he's talking about literally passwords, and not just making a joke, then he'd have to still have his memory
Crowley says that remembering hurts. He potentially had his memories hidden and then got them back. At least most of them (he seems to be missing a lot of not key people).
33:35 I would say that the reason Crowley doesn’t remember who the angels are it’s either his memories were partially erased or (what I think it’s more likely) Crowley was so important in heaven that he became more prideful and never really paid attention to angels who were lower ranking than him. Aziraphale being an exception. Also when they first met Crowley didn’t even bother to introduce himself, maybe he is too giddy for the nebula and wanted to skipped the introductions. Or he just assumed that Aziraphale knew who he was because Crowley was one of the most well known Angels at the time.
Yeah I definitely got the impression that Crowley didn’t pay a lot of attention to the other angels (although I think part of that is just because he was too busy being excited about things rather than pride) but it does suggest that working with someone like Saraquiel (who is pretty high up the chain of command) was not at all unusual or noteworthy for him
Great video! Another piece of evidence that Crowley was more powerful than Aziraphale…in that moment (Season 1) before Satan appears, Az asks Crowley to, “Do something or I will never speak to you again.” Az seems to always be asking Crowley for help, including stoping time. Either this is showing Az as having a bad case of learned helplessness, or…Crowley had more power than we know.
Thanks! And I definitely agree! I mean there’s definitely an element of Aziraphale letting Crowley save him because they both like it, but in that moment things are far too serious for that sort of flirtation. At first I always figured he asked crowley because he couldn’t think of anything himself, but if he knew Crowley was much more powerful, then asking for help would make sense
In episode 3 of season 2, Aziraphale also asked Crowley to freeze Mr. Darylmple the way he did with Sister Mary Loquacious, and it seems pretty clear that it's an ability that Aziraphale doesn't have. Not sure if he froze time entirely or paused time for one person specifically there
@@liyuan492 I think it was one person but I agree that it’s something Aziraphale doesn’t seem able to do, and given he asked specifically, it must have been something that he knew Crowley was capable without having seen him do it before
he saw him do it it episode 3 of season 1 when he saved him in France . So yes its something crowley can do and Az knows it.@@Naumaxia
@@MsMya89 good point I completely forgot about that XD
i haven’t heard anyone mention this theory yet, but maybe that’s because it’s very heavily implied. of course, we know that Aziraphale only got the job because of Gabriel’s absence. i’m wondering if it’s also because they’re trying to improve their reputation. they already mentioned Lucifer being a good story, but any more fallen archangels would look like “an institutional problem.” plus: if Metatron succeeded in making Crowley an angel again, that would’ve looked even better.
with Aziraphale, he hasn’t done anything to be on Heaven’s good side. the only thing that could be considered “good” was the halo bomb on the demons. before that, he was in trouble for the whole armageddon ordeal. he was also treated with suspicion by his fellow angels, although we have yet to see how Metatron truly feels about him. i can’t see the halo bomb being enough to gloss over his collaboration with a demon. Metatron even brings it up as if it’s no big deal. not to mention Aziraphale hiding Gabriel away from Heaven.
an angel who has gone against God repeatedly becoming an archangel just feels very suspicious to me. if they’re serious about a second coming, i can’t see why they’d make the guy who helped thwart armageddon help them do another one. maybe Metatron thinks isolating Crowley and Aziraphale is the only way they’ll get away with the second coming. that would be an even bigger reason than keeping a reputation for redemption and holiness.
again, this could just be something obvious that nobody has felt the need to elaborate on, but i’ve just rewatched it (for the billionth time) and felt like mentioning it.
[edit: i think i prefer the idea that they need to separate them to have the second coming, but i didn’t realize you brought it up until after rewatching this.]
No I completely agree. I think the Metatron wants Aziraphale somewhere he can keep an eye on him, and where if needed he can be used as a deterrent against Crowley. They stopped the first Armageddon together, and performed a 25 lazarii miracle together, not to mention the Metatron probably believes that Crowley is the one who ‘corrupted’ Aziraphale in the first place. With them separated like this they’re less of a threat.
I also have a theory that whilst it might be ‘the power of love/friendship’ that made their joint miracle so powerful, heaven don’t actually realise this and instead think it’s Crowley that is the source of that power as a result of whoever they used to be. (Obviously Aziraphale does have something to do with it but heaven are well known for underestimating it) and so by having Aziraphale lead the side of heaven, he acts as a Crowley deterrent, because the one thing Crowley potentially cares about more than earth is Aziraphale, and he’ll be really unlikely to make a move against him. They could also just hold him hostage.
In other words I think the Metatron is suspicious as hell and don’t trust him as far as I could throw him. But we’ll have to wait and see
There was a discussion on another video about the fallen angels having their memories erased, and the rebuttal was "But Furfur remembered Crowley from the war" and I have a theory to build on that theory...
When the high angels were about to exile Gabriel, Metatron said "as a kindness, your memory will be erased". So, they see memory erasure as a kindness reserved for higher angels, but not the lower ranking ones like Furfur. So this makes my personal theory "Crowley was a high ranking angel who had his memory erased as a 'kindness', and that's why he doesn't remember Furfur or Saraquiel. It's also why he understands what Jim is going through with his own memory loss and he seems to empathize, but also says "ASK HIM PROPERLY" because he knows there's a way to jog some memory back. It would also explain why he was able to perform a teensy tiny half miracle with Azi and it was 25 Lazarii"
See I'm so conflicted. On one hand, all of these points are FANTASIC! And make so much sense, and would be really cool to explore. But I'm conflicted because if Crowley got his memory erased, how would he remember the password that heaven never changes for their files? Theoretically it could be muscle memory and not mental, but I can't be sure. Honestly somebody please come up with a cool reason for that, because I love the memory erasure theory!
@@emmaballantyne9937 I think he used the term "passwords" in a general sense because it was easier than explaining to Muriel "No worries, I am still genetically a Throne or Dominion or above, so the system will recognize my... angelness ? Angelicity? D-N-Angel? Eh, whatever, I can open all the files, that's my point"
This is my exact thought , they made to much of a big deal about Crowley not remembering angels he clearly worked with and their reactions to him not remembering . Also i always thought Metatron asking him if he remembered him was a test .
"ASK HIM PROPERLY"
Someone must have asked him "the right way", this made him remember, at least part of his memories i'm the past, leading him to add the J to his name.
Thank you for everything you share here and for the excellent video ♥️
@@isabelpineiroalfaro7915 What do you mean about the J? Do you think it's the letter that his former name might have started with or something?
I agree with all your remarks, especially on the "google doc theory": to me, honestly, it just seems like the author was (legitimately) going through the five stages of grief and resorted to writing his plot-wishes into existence. But it's probably just the same for many of the theories that are floating around, as responses to our collective heartbreak. The more I rewatch both seasons, the more I find that ep 6 finale was just perfectly set up as a fully internal, emotional struggle between two characters who love each other very much, but never made the effort to check their deepest desires and fears: Crowley's fear of being alone in his "independent agent" path and desire to turn his "my side" into an "our side", and Aziraphale's fear of stepping away from his angelic identity and desire to pull Crowley back to Heaven so that his affection for him would not force him to question his "goodness". The last dialogue of ep 2 (the seaside scene of Job's minisode) is, in my opinion, the key to this multi-millennial, minor but lethal, misalignment of their respective positions, that led Crowley to ignore Aziraphale's fears (remember the "You go too fast for me, Crowley") and Aziraphale to ignore Crowley's chosen identity of not-an-angel-anymore (remember the "wall scene", that now reads not as a funny gag but as Crowley being honestly hurt by Aziraphale's nth attempt to deny his identity). If you put it this way, as the matter of narrative balance goes, you don't need the Metatron to pull any miraculous, unfathomable trick: he just needs to feed Aziraphale the (not literally) poisonous bite that makes this long underground tension finally surface and explode.
Yes!!! I completely agree!!
Something I find interesting about the last episode is that we get close ups of Aziraphale's face when Crowley suggesting running off to Beezelbub and Gabriel, when he mentionned that he was bored of living in his car and when he suggested running off with Aziraphale after he finds out about the job offer. They did something similar in season 1 when they met at the bandstand. I can't quite place his expressions, but he seemed pretty concerned about it.
I do wonder if those two were in a relationship when Crowley was still an angel and considered running away during the rebellion, but their memories were manipulated to prevent it.
Aziraphale didn’t know Crowley was living in his car. He hadn’t told him. Neil Gaiman confirmed this on tumblr.
Lovely art!
You absolutely blew my mind with the “Aziraphale is going to become Raphael” theory. I hadn’t heard that one before, but it definitely seems the most plausible out of the ones you mentioned. I can 100% see Neil trolling us all by making Aziraphale Raphael instead of Crowley.
I always love watching your good omens videos! Well done on this one!
Thank you so much!
And yeah Aziraphale = Raphael blew my mind a little when I heard it because I had never thought of it before but it could make a weird amount of sense if it was true!
A theory I remember seeing somewhere about God's absence this season was that they were somewhere in the background, as one of the background characters. I think the character specifically mentioned was Ms. Cheng, but i can't be sure.
That’s kind of cool and I’d definitely like to read more about it!
Yeah there was definitely some moments with Ms. Ching that just seemed a little off.
Interesting! I remember when she approached the bookshop and the demons were prowling toward it, she stopped and seemed almost like she sensed something. I thought it was a strange directing/filming choice at the time but hearing this theory, it makes so much sense!!!
From what I've heard of it here, the Magic Trick theory sounds very "the secret good series finale of Sherlock that definitely is gonna happen guys I swear". It's okay to not like subsequent instalments of a thing you enjoy, folks! Sometimes you're just disappointed, and it doesn't have to mean something incredibly clever is going on- usually it just means a thing was disappointing to you. Just because I and other people adored S2 and found the ending to be very good and interesting doesn't mean something is wrong with you if you didn't.
Exactly! Season two is much more character centric as opposed to season one which was very plot centric. If that’s not for you then that’s fine. I loved it, but not everyone has to
37:39 Crowley also didnt introduce himself. BUT he also didn't know what the stars would be used for which is weird for a higher-up. Maybe it's the good old exceptional enhineer/scientist who just doesn't buy the ideology and is therefore gotten rid of trope
I was kind of blaming the fact that Crowley hadn’t read the entire project brief on the fact that he’s seems slightly ADHD to me at times and maybe skimmed over that bit. Although it could also be a case of each angel only being given instructions on their specific bit of the universe and not the rest, such that Crowley assumed to world must continue to run for billions of years because the star factory he’d been asked to design was supposed to take that long to warm up
I heard about the theory that Crowley maybe was the angel Jophiel (the angel of beauty, understanding, judgement and art) who worked with the Metatron and is an important archangel in the Anglican church. The theory would explain many things like why Crowley has beef with the Metatron or why it's just a J.
I remembered that theory, mostly because of the J thing, literally as I was falling asleep last night, but I’d already uploaded the video so it was too late. Similar to the Kokabiel one though I’m not sure we’d ever get confirmation on this name despite it being a pretty cool option
I believe it is more likely that the Angel Jophiel is Aziraphale, given the known attributes are a flaming sword and having taught several languages to souls at the dawn of creation. It is also known that Jophiel is in charge of the Cherubim (one of its roles being protecting the garden of Eden).
First, I like to think that Aziraphel made the decision to leave Crowley of his own free will because it would give him a brutal arc for the S3(also, it was noticeable that he had not "healed" his trauma with heaven at all), but frankly there are plenty of indications that there was some kind of manipulation on Metatron's part.
Second, Im not an english speaker, but i love your videos and your drawings❤❤
I agree! Also I’m really glad that you’re enjoying the videos, and would like to apologise, because I know I often speak very quickly when excited, and whilst I try not to, I’m sure it makes my videos harder to follow for some people
Don't worry, I understand most things quite well with the Spanish subtitles.
I think that out of all of the fan theories, crowley being arch angel, or a high in power in heaven was quite interesting. I noticed alot of things thay made me think this before even looking to fan theories. The fact that he could open the restricted file on the trial, referencing 'one prince of heaven to fall again' in the trials was also a weird little thing, might be over searching as I usually do 😂 but i agee w you too that its not really that relevent, but still something for backstory wise i guess. Its a tough nut to crack haha great vid aswell
Glad you enjoyed it!! I think technically the prince of heaven mentioned here is meant to mean Lucifer, but there’s certainly lots to suggest Crowley was also important. Even if we never find out his angelic name I suspect we will still find out more about who he was and just what he’s capable of
@Naumaxia oh yeah, that lucifer thing is a good point. I didn't think of oops haha
It becomes very Doctor Whoy - some high ranking noble leaving his home(planet) taking a job-description as his choosen name. Having semi-intelligent transport he loves more than anything and being able to manipulate time!
In the Lucifer tv-series the brown feathered "brother" was also able to slow or stop time, until he lost his wings...
@@LisaBeta-42 that’s true! Crowley = Amenadiel isn’t something I’d considered yet but it might make sense. I’d have to check whether time was biblically related to amenadiel or whether that’s something they just picked for Lucifer. (I also remember amenadiel being heavens greatest warrior which admittedly doesn’t sound much Mike Crowley to me)
No i think they want us to assume they are talking about lucifer but i still think it may be Crowley they were talking about@@abyzzicss
I completely agree about the editing the book of life theory, I stopped reading after the "Maggie isn't real section" cause all I can think is "You know she's probably just played by an actress who needs more experience, and that woman would feel really shitty if she caught wind of this." Like imagine a bunch of people found your acting so unconvincing that they made a theory your character was secretly a demon or something, I would literally crawl into a hole
Yeah I know! I mean Maggie a character wasn’t perfect but I really liked her. Yes she’s a bit awkward in a few places, but I personally relate to her a lot in that I also always say the wrong thing and was never ‘that sort of teenager’ there’s a couple of moments that don’t click right but that’s all.
That said I think some people were circling the ‘is she a demon theory’ purely based on her spelling mistake in episode one, and the fact that she’s surprisingly resistant to miracles (although so is Nina so I don’t actually believe this theory.)
The entirety of that book of life theory just makes me feel uncomfortable though because it’s effectively tearing the entire show to shreds and then tagging ‘but Neil Gaiman is clever’ onto the end of it as if that makes it ok. If you didn’t enjoy this season that’s fine. It was certainly different to season one. But going to these kinds of lengths feels unnecessary
@@Naumaxia yah, I've been in enough Sherlock-esque fandoms to be weary of any theory that boils down to "the writing is bad. Except actually its NOT! Because this 10 page theory is totally true and solves all that!"
When I watched Season 2 the day it came out, I too heard the miracle sound at the coffee scene, but when I rewatched it last week or so I couldn't hear it either. I was so confused but hearing that from another person reliefs me.
Honestly I’m just glad to know I’m not insane XD
Thank you so much for tackling the “magic trick you didn’t see” theory. When I read it, it immediately didn’t sit right with me but I couldn’t articulate why other than “this is way too complex and makes absolutely no sense in the context of the season, it just sounds nitpicky.” But you did such an amazing job really diving deep into the flaws of this theory. It reminds me of the “secret good episode” theory of Sherlock S4 lol
Thanks! I’m glad you liked it!
Honestly this theory is written in such a way that makes you feel like the writer must be right, because almost every point they bring up is technically correct in some way. We’re we all expecting Nina and Maggie to get a happy ending… yes? Because that’s the norm in these kinds of stories. Was there The odd continuity error in a few places? Obviously, nothings perfect. But the way the theory is written makes you feel like these all are great big signs that the show doesn’t work, and then it makes you feel icky because it’s almost criticising anyone who did enjoy it on face value.
I’m all for people writing constructive criticism on shows, but you have to write it with the mindset that the show might see that criticism and improve in the future. Writing criticism that’s sole purpose is to make people dislike the show, get it cancelled (which I’ve seen in a few other fandoms) or get it completely rewritten/retconned over is just not helpful to anyone.
Plus I loved season 2 and so did a lot of other people, so clearly it’s doing some things right!
32:00 I think that in episode 3 also has a major evidence that Crowley was a high ranking Angel. Crowley talked about showing Jesus the world before he was crucified. Calling him a smart young man.
It never occurred to me until people pointed it out. But Crowley was the Temptation that Jesus had to face at the desert. Jesus had to fast for over a month, and the story in the Bible states that satan kept tempting him to bow to him.
There is a verse in Mathew4:8-9 were satan takes Jesus to the highest mountains and show him the kingdoms of the world.
So that parallels well to Crowley’s job. In the series he never said why he traveled with Jesus but it’s obvious now that he didn’t do it as a gift to Jesus. Crowley can’t do good things because he will get in huge trouble with hell.
Excellent point! I remember watching that scene and I did realise Crowley was essentially fulfilling the role of the devil, and then completely forgot about it when I made this video! But it does also support the theory.
I like the way that Crowley framed it as trying to talk Jesus out of dying, then becoming resigned to the fact that he will, then just trying to show him some nice things as a last hurrah
Regarding the lie theory I think it's possible Aziraphale was only hiding the Metatron's threats from Crowley, the way the conversation is told not shown and how shifty he was with the coffee or death line is suspicious. I think he was genuinely excited in that moment because why wouldn't he be if he has no reason to choose death? I really don't think he trusts the Metatron at all and is probably planning something by the end of the elevator ride
My favorite theory so far is the “Aziraphale will become Raphael” one, so thank you so much for bringing my attention to it! I love and agree with your takes on the other theories, too. Love the art btw
Thank you so much! And yeah when I first heard about it it almost immediately became a favourite of mine!
I'm fully into this theory since Raphael is said to be the counterpart of Israfil(the angel in charge of triggering Doomsday) in Islam. It's just way too close to Aziraphale's name (that was the first thought I had when I started Good Omens).
honestly, i sort of love that no theory really makes sense (both technically and narratively). i definitely think there's something suspicious about certain parts of season 2-- even when accounting for the fact that it's a bridge season-- and i really love the idea of season 3 tying everything up in a completely unforeseen way. it's fun to speculate and discuss various theories, but i think ultimately, i think the truth is going to be the type of reveal that no one saw coming, and has everyone shouting at their screens.
anyway, awesome video! it's always wonderful to see a more in depth analysis of the show, and your art looks incredible :O
Thank you so much! And yeah I can’t wait for Neil Gaiman to surprise us again!
Loved the video and the artwork❤!
And THANK YOU talking about the "magic trick" theory, it's been bugging me to hell since I read it! Whenever people start talking about things being "intentionally badly written" all I can think of is johnlock truthers... Just thinking about it from a practical point of view, it's nonsensical to write your plot to be bad, especially if you don't know whether the series will get renewed, but tbh I also don't get the appeal from a storytelling perspective at all - why rob your characters of all their agency? This bothers me with coffee theory as well, it negates the underlying conflict between Aziraphale and Crowley (AZ still believes heaven is the good side, C doesn't tell him about the bad stuff and would rather run away than do anything to better heaven/hell). I feel like there a some people in the fandom that don't want/(understand?) character archs. I think a big reason for these types of theories is the switch from adaptation to original series because while in the first season Aziraphale and Crowley were protagonists, other stories archs and people were very prominently featured, which only allowed for so much development and exploration of the both of their characters. The second season lacked the urgency of an apocalypse as well as the huge number of side-characters and arguably co-protagonists, leading it to be very character-centric. Everything revolves around Aziraphale, Crowley, and their relationship - the heart of the season is not the mystery around Gabriel but AZ and C's relationship because Gabriel and Beelzebub as a couple exist to show that this is something Aziraphale and Crowley haven't reached yet. Maggie and Nina are mirrors to Crowley and Aziraphale respectively and they also show that they are not ready for another yet because there are things they have to communicate about and issues they have to learn to deal with. A lot of the pay-offs the author of the "magic trick" theory seems to miss is the knowledge we gain about the character's points of view. I suppose this is what makes people call the second season "fanfic-like", no one really expected a charactercentric story because we only get that in fic, right? No one thought we'd actually get a romance as the main plot, and now people don't really know how to deal with that.
Anyway, long rant, short point, I feel like people that believe in these elaborate theories kind of set themselves up for disappointment by trying to turn the turnip that is season 2 into the inkwell that is a pages long doc of elaborate theories based on vague clues and things they just didn't like about the season.
I’m so glad you enjoyed it! And yes I completely agree. Season 2 is very character focussed as opposed to plot focussed which means it’s structured differently and does sometimes feel off compared to season one. But I don’t believe that makes it bad! In fact I think it’s almost better for it!
I personally feel like the Metatron and the coffee is basic 'human' psychology. When he first comes into the bookshop he sends the 'bad' angels away, taking care of the bullies basically. Then he gifts Aziraphale the coffee. So Aziraphale feels like he has to hear him out. Then during their sit down, he complements Aziraphale and offers Crowley's restoration, being as generous as he possibly can.
And I think once Crowley is part of the deal, Aziraphale allows himself to think about what it could truly mean going forward. Heaven reformed into a system that is actually good. And once he allows himself to see what could be, it is just too late because how can he abandon the world and the 'Muriels' of Heaven when he knows he could protect the earth from destruction and build a system where innocent angels can thrive.
It's basically how salemen operate, they get you to think past the offer, live in that house or drive that car or wear those clothes so you form an emotional attachment to the outcome and make the buy. I actually think this is a clue that the Metatron has a lot of experience with humans because he displays greater emotional intelligence than any of the angels we have met so far which includes Aziraphale and Crowley. Which makes sense I guess because the Metatron was said to be a man who never died and went to heaven if I remember the biblical stories well. So he may have been turned into an angel or isn't an angel at all (which could explain why he doesn't wear whites and greys).
This was so interesting! I personally agree with you on the coffee theory, it would just undo all of Aziraphale's character development. I also think that it would take a lot out of the conflict between aziraphale and crowley they meet again in (hopefully) a season three.
Btw love ur vids and your art is beautiful :)
So glad you like the video!
Here’s hoping season 3 is as awesome as we’re all expecting!
I don't know if the Aziraphale becomes Raphael theory will come true or not, but I think it would be really fun. Thank you for the long video, I need as much good omens content right now as possible, so I can cope somehow. ❤
Glad you enjoyed it! And yeah that’s the first theory I’ve come across that I think would be a really surprising twist for most fans, but that would still make a lot of sense.
Now that I think about it that’s one of the most logical and fun twists. It would be interesting to see if Aziraphale changes because of his position and Supreme Archangel and a new title. That’s would be amazing.
crowley could be samael, who in some interpretations instructed the fall by using the serpent
This would actually work too! Neil Gaiman said the devil was ‘Satan’ after he fell, and ‘lucifer’ before he fell, so Samael could be a completely different person (i.e. Crowley)
I totally agree on the high rank whoever he was, but for some reason i like this idea more than the Raphael one.
Except in Jewish lore Samael is chief of Satan and is thus the original for Satan
@@BattlestarZenobia yes but this is neither Jewish nor Christian lore. It is Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman lore. And that is rarely what you expect. So in their world Samael does not have to be Satan
Oh yes this is good a good theory! If Crowley was not Lucifer, Samael is another good choice.
So I’m a big fan of the tv Series Lucifer. Which was based in the characters of the sandman by Neil Gaiman. Now Neil didn’t get involved in that series but none the less those characters were written by him and it’s would be normal to used similar characters again for a different story.
In the Lucifer show they stated that “Samael bringer of light”. Was Lucifer’s original angle name before he fell. And after he fell he became Lucifer/Satan.
So Samael as a character it’s not out of the box. It’s more likely than the Raphael theory.
The terrible thing that would happen to Gabriel would be to have his memory erased (not temporarily housed in a fly, but erased) and not to recall Beelzebub anymore. And, yes, the thing to prevent that is the container Beelzebub gave him, so you are correct.
Hi Naumaxia!
Thank you for both this video and the previous one. They are my sanity savers after binge watching GO2.
I agree that most of these theories are not well supported by evidence. It makes a lot bigger impact if Zira acts on his own free will and allows him a greater (and more realistic) character development in S3 (please let there be S3, pleasepleaseplease). Also the conflict on his face is real throughout the argument (well done Micheal for the acting!) and I can confirm, that I did dig in my heels sometimes when I was presented with too much change and too many new information too quickly. (I know they are not human characters, but all their faults and strength are so human).
As for leaving the shop behind and all the books, that is a bit harder to explain. It could be that after the argument with Crowley he simply couldn´t look at anything "earthly" as it would only remind him of what he´s giving up for his new position. (kinda like how after a break up we can throw everything out , but after some time we realize that some of those memories where great no matter what came afterwards? Zira will surely miss his books and cakes and tea, sooner that later). What I´m thinking is that Zira is under immense pressure and he reverts back to what he knows and thinks it´s right (or conditioned to think it´s right). Heaven is always in the right, everyone else is either wrong or temptation for wrong and helping heaven can only be good (the mental dissonance created by 6000 years of evidence to the contrary is making an impact - his visible indecision - but not yet enough to break the conditioning). Or maybe he believes he will be back after some time... (and yes, Crowley should have told him what happened in heaven during the swap, but he´s soft for his angel)
And the kiss... which was very painful to watch no matter how long we waited for it, but not like this, not forced and aggressive and wielded more like a weapon for a last ditch effort than like the homecoming that it should be for both of them.
I´m hurting for Crowley though, he got rejected, again, as Crowley-who-is-a-demon (-but mostly his own person) and of course he doesn´t want to be an angel. I wonder how he will cope (or not) with this, I think that will be a journey as well.
A and C learning to communicate with each other will be educational (at least for me).
I didn´t hear the theory of Aziraphale taking up the mantel of Raphael before, but now I can imagine it , it would make a great twist for sure.
Anyone who made it this far, thanks for reading my rambling, have an extraordinary day!
Glad you liked the video! And I think agree about Aziraphale and the books. This chance to ‘fix’ heaven has inadvertently rebooted all his programming from the beginning and is making him reject the things he finds comfortable because he was taught that they were ‘wrong’.
Basically though I just cant wait for season 3 so we can see what happens next!
Not totally related, but A and C representing Aziraphale and Crowley made me think of other letters of the alphabet
*A is for Aziraphale!*
*B is for Bentley!*
*C is for Crowley!*
And so on
Good omens just broke everyones heart in the same way ofmd did😂 and it's somehow despressing but we like that kind of pain... don't we?
It’s good pain, because these shows are thematically presented in a way that means we know it’s all going to turn out okay. It’s a bit of pain now, to get a beautiful, heartwrenchingly satisfying ending later
I was a die hard coffee theory truther for about two days after the season. Denial is a powerful thing, I was still in disbelief of the season ending how it did and was desperately latching onto explanations to "fix" it. Then after I had time to think, I realised the ending made sense for the characters and abandoned the coffee theory.
I think a lot of people went through this and honestly I can’t blame them. I don’t actually even think the coffee theory is that bad, it just doesn’t fit as well as the non-theory version of events for me
I don't fully subscribe to the "The Magic Trick You Didn't See", it did give me some food for thought. In the season 1, many believed Crowley was in love with Aziraphale for centuries (with a variety of reasons why it wasn't reciprocated). This season was more like the realization finally dawning on Crowley; what Metatron was attempting to do was change their relation so their relationship would change, thus easier to get Aziraphale to accept his offer. With the Book of Life, my theory is unless the entire existance is being erased, one can't erase or rewrite a specific memory. What you can do, however, is add one in.
I believe the minisodes to be an added entry into the book, thus explaining some of the inconsistencies. Such as Crawley having his sunglasses between the Flood and Crucifixion, Aziraphale narrating that after Hell pulled Crowley under they wouldn't see each other for a long time, when in the cold open s01ep3, they'd meet again 35 years later (nevermind the constant threat of being destroy if caught done good). When Furfur is questioning the Nazis about Crowley, they mention he said something about a "demonic interventions" explicitly before the bombs hit, compared to Crowley saying the books surviving the explosion being just a "little demonic miracle".
When it comes down to the coffee, I thought it was Metatron's way of seperating the two before Crowley could invite Aziraphale out to go drinking at the Ritz. This was my explaination to the "No nightingales" conversation; essentially how they weren't going and would never go back to the Ritz again.
I personally read the way Crowley acts as him having been in love with Aziraphale for a really long time, but not having properly recognised what those feelings were, or that he could truly do anything with them until now.
You do make a point about some of the inconsistencies hence why I couldn’t fully debunk that theory, although I feel like 35 years could be considered a long time in the right context as for all we know there’s dozens of missing flashbacks we’ve never been shown yet and they do meet more often than that closer to the modern day.
I did. like your idea about adding this gs to the book but not removing them, as it would deal with a lot of my major issues with this theory, although it would still have a side effect of the audience not being sure what was real and what was added. Especially as the conversation about loneliness at the end of the Job episode is one of my favourites and it would be a shame if it was made up.
Essentially anything is possible and all of these theories could be true to an extent, we’ll just have to wait and see
There are parts in that document that explain why this series makes people feel so bad. The setups without paybacks. This season definitely left me needing more.
I liked this season better than the last one. I rewatched it and went back to rewatch season 1 just because I liked this one so much.
my friend and I were just discussing the coffee theory and we were wondering why almonds specifically almonds. Well I looked it up and almonds have Biblical meaning, and they represent divinity as well as divine approval, which is what metatron did, he accepted back Aziraphel. I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this but I thought it was so interesting
Oooh that’s so cool! I think most people have been distracted by the fact that cyanide can be masked by the taste of almonds but this would make so much more sense given good omens is essentially bible fanfiction
some of these really remind me of bbc sherlock season 2 ending theories and it scaring me- ESPECIALLY the magic trick you didn’t see… the intentional “bad writing” is the most bbc sherlock delusion i’ve ever seen
really don’t want to jinx it though 😅
We see crowley bring a person back from the dead or atleast greviously injured after the demon raid in season 2. So in that regaurd he has healed
True that’s a solid point, although this theory has been around since s1 and whilst he can heal, I wouldn’t say healing is a particular interest or special ability of his given we’ve seen Aziraphale so similar (although less extreme) in healing anathema’s arm. That’s not to say he can’t be Raphael at all, just that healing doesn’t appear to be particular to Crowley
I think the book of life is not peoples/earth/universal history. I think it is simply a list of people mortals and immortals alike who has ever lived. If deleted from that you have never existed.
He cant change peoples history with it. He can only delete them from existence.
It also seem it is something not done lightly.
I agree! Although we don’t actually have any examples of how exactly it can be used so this theory is technically possible (although I don’t think it makes sense)
4:30 yes the first time around I never heard miracle sounds in the background. After I read that coffee theory. I went back and tried different sound settings and language settings. It’s just car noises and bikes in the background. So in the first time view of that moment people probably confuse it as part of the soundtrack that comes with the Metatron. I think the coffee theory is fun but incorrect. However it’s a good metaphor. Either Aziraphale takes the coffee (the job) or gets death (staying on earth trying to survive the second apocalypse with Crowley).
I hadn’t thought about it in terms of that metaphor and honestly I love it! Luckily I have strong suspicions that this second coming thing is probably not going to actually destroy the planet because that would be a bit of a dramatic ending, but you make a really good point!
I know Azraphiel is a Principality (it's stated as such). I think Crowley was higher ranked as well. From the Good Omens Wiki " It is also implied he may have had a high ranking when he was an Angel as he was able to access Gabriel’s files in Heaven, which Muriel said could only be done by “a Throne, a Dominion, or higher”."
BTW, Archangels are lower ranking than Thrones or Dominions. Cherubs weren't cute little babies like they look like now. They were VERY powerful, and VERY creepy looking.
One thing I've seen mentioned about the Magic Trick theory (which I did enjoy reading although it really didn't seem likely to be correct and I would be unhappy if it did turn out to be correct for many of the reasons you mentioned) is that some autistic people, people who have been raised in religious or other sheltered (but not so much sheltered as repressed by their families), and probably others I am forgetting, have related to Maggie in a way they have found unusual with onscreen characters and thus do not care for that theory's argument that Maggie acts in ways that suggest she is not a real person (in the context of the story, obviously).
Cyanide tastes and smells like almonds. Bitter almonds. And we saw what the poison Laudanum did to Crowley…
Over half the coffee shops in America offer Almond syrup. I think the answer to that is just Neil Gaiman's lived here a long time.
Yeah I’ve had a couple of people point this out to me. Apparently Starbucks in the UK also has it and I’ve just not been paying enough attention. I’m a hazelnut syrup person myself so I missed it
In the German translation from the show, Aziraphale ist translated with Erziraphael, which is more or less Archiraphael or Arch Raphael. So in the German vision is he Raphael all the time
Someone else mentioned this and I love it!!
Almond Syrup (also known as Orgeat) is definitely a thing for coffee. Not all coffee shops do it, but plenty do. Not a fan of the "miracles" where used by Metatron, simply because (i) it is bad writing which is NOT Neil Gaiman; and (ii) the words alone are totally Machiavellian, chosen to perfectly play to all of Aziraphale's weaknesses. Aziraphale was played. And that final smile is an attempt by Aziraphale to try and convince himself that he is really doing the right thing - despite having a very real sinking feeling...
Yeah I completely agree! There’s so much you can dissect and look into in this stereoes that explains exactly why Aziraphale chose to leave without any kind of brainwashing needed. The Metatron played them both expertly and it really paid off for him.
Also a number of people have pointed out that I am wrong about almond syrup, so oops XD
Just FYI, Neil Gaiman on tumblr confirmed that the changing clock times in e6 was a filming continuity error, so there is nothing to really support the body swap theory as far as I know.
Yeah I saw that! He said ‘it’s probably a continuity error’ and I’m fairly certain he’s not lying to us, however I thought I’d look at the theory anyway just incase he was lying because it’s a pretty fun idea even if I don’t think it’s at all likely
I just like to say Aziraphale has religious trauma and thats why he did it-
I have this theory that Aziraphale will try to apologize to Crowley using the "you were right" dance after he realizes Heavens are the bad guys too. Because I think he's gonna go through a major character development to realize his place in world is not in Heaven but at Crowley's side.
I think he’s definitely going to come to that realisation at some point, although I don’t know if the dance will be enough. That said I would LOVE to see Michael Sheen do it anyway
@@Naumaxia I expect the dance not being enough, but the thought behind could be a way of how to convince Crowley he's sincere with his apology. Tho it would be hilarious if he did the "you were right" dance in front of other angels and/or demons 😀
your sketch is so gorgeously scrumptious and satisfying omg. Also, great points on the theories, i am although kind of scared you stole my thoughts and put all of them as your script /j
Thanks I’m so glad you liked it! And sorry if I stole any of your ideas, I did try to be upfront about the fact that not all of these points were my ideas necessarily, certainly none of the theories were. If you feel you need names credit for something I can add that
@@Naumaxia omg no you didn’t steal my ideas! it was more of an attempt to make a joke about how much i agree with ur points haha
Firstly, your art is lovely and I cannot get tired of watching you draw, you make it look so easy!
Secondly, I've been thinking about this for far too long and a lot more than I should, but, all this attempts to justify Aziraphale and Crowley's separation strike me as, well, vain... in my country we have a saying, "don't try searching for a three-legged cat", which sounds stupid in english, but it's basically Occam's razor: the simplest, clearest explanation is usually correct. Love doesn't always win, people. Really, it doesn't. I personally have been in a similar situation, where I had to choose between going to the person I loved and staying to do what I should dutifully do, and I chose the latter, not beacuse I did not love that person, or because someone slipped almond syrup in my tea - which admittedly should have worn off by now, but because, well, sometimes you have to do what you should and not what you want, and feel guilty and rubbish later and suffer from a broken heart for years, but ,that's life. Love doesn't always win. Lovely part about fiction is, we know for fact that eventually, love _will_ win, and we can trust Neil to be his usual, brilliant self. But meanwhile, theorizing is always fun, just, keep in mind, three-legged cats are rare indeed, the simplest explenation is usually right.
I agree! I think people are hurt and their reaction is to try find an explanation that makes it hurt less, which I completely get. And in fan fiction these are all really fun ideas to play around with. But I agree that the simplest explanation makes the most sense. That said I’m sure there’s the seeds of some kind of twist for season 3 that have been planted this season, but I have no idea what they might be XD
The last one really does make a lot of sense!
8:49 the Metatron’s thing is actually his presence changing people’s negative emotions into positive, so perhaps it’s not so hard for him to miracle emotions, it’s canonically him
Some of these theories are giving Sherlock, especially that 'it's bad on purpose' one. My darling, it's not bad, it's just not what you wanted [it's what *I* wanted!!]
Now, I subscribe to Coffee Theory, but only in part, simply because of the sheer emphasis on the coffee and The Metatron making sure Aziraphale took a sip. Work backwards, try to understand why the filmmakers chose to put it in there in the first place. As far as I can remember, we've never seen a miracle be ingested, so what effect it could possibly have on Aziraphale is up in the air, but it's my personal opinion that it works less like hypnosis, and rather more like Aziraphale was drugged. His agency was not stripped of him, but he _was_ being influenced. Though, I _can_ admit my bias, I don't want Aziraphale to _actually_ have been that stupid and callous to Crowley.
Where the Coffee Theory ends for me is at the kiss, and for that we need to go back to the first episode of this season. Aziraphale and Crowley have existed since before the beginning of time, they understand their powers intimately, so for them to accidentally shoot a plume of power equalling a mighty archangel into space the first time they perform a miracle together is, well, definitely not a misjudgment of their skill. They do not understand their combined power, but I believe Aziraphale was ironically right on the money with his bullshit excuse- it was love. The Metatron has every justification to want to split the two up so they cannot stand against the perceived will of God, and concocted this plan to steal Aziraphale away to the gilded cage of Supreme Archangel. It's the kiss that saves Aziraphale in my mind, as if their love itself allowed Crowley to unknowingly suck the poison out of the wound. Am I writing fanfiction here? Perhaps. But this is a world _full_ of soft magic, where a demon can use the power of imagination to keep a car functional despite being engulfed in flames. Emotions and willpower are forces to be _reckoned with._
And, well, I cannot help but delight in the though of Aziraphale being 'woken up' by the kiss of a [former] prince [of heaven] should that particular theory ring true.
To be clear, I do not want to erase the messiness of the scene. Just because I'm applying fairytale logic doesn't mean they shouldn't both be genuinely upset at what is happening.
Before, on the street, The Metatron told Aziraphale he could take all the time he liked in making a decision regarding the position of Supreme Archangel, but as soon as he reenters the bookshop, The Metatron shows his hand- he _expects_ Aziraphale to want to accept the deal. He is either being incredibly arrogant... or he had insurance. The talk with Crowley was never about offering him a place in Heaven, it was about guaranteeing he would _stay away_ from Aziraphale. Aziraphale has sobered up from the miracle now, he is conflicted, confused, he keeps looking out the window at Crowley... but he commits to the subterfuge. He understand now that Heaven just tried to do a _Temptation_ on him and he is going to find out why.
I am fully prepared for my theory to be wrong, but it's what gives me comfort for now. Some theories I'm hearing are definitely too broadly speculative for my tastes, namely that Book of Life one. In my opinion, you keep your theory small, you work with the material you have, because the writers aren't going to say 'it was fake the whole time', namely because they kind of already did it for the ending of season 1. And I mean, this _is not_ Sherlock.
Though if you care to hear my Book of Life theory, it's simply that Aziraphale is going to steal it and hide it in the bookshop. Nice, neat, linear, logical.
I think you have a really good point! My first conclusion on hearing the coffee theory and searching for the evidence was a really similar one, that maybe it influenced him, making him overlook the drawbacks to joining heaven, but that the decision was still his own. And whilst I doubt believe it was a callous or selfish decision to leave Crowley (I genuinely think Aziraphale thought reinstating crowleys angel status would make him happy) I wouldn’t mind if the blow was softened a bit by something like this. It might even make it messier as Crowley may decide to automatically forgive him when he works out Aziraphale was drugged, only for Aziraphale to admit he was still in control and consciously made that decision.
I do also love the idea that love is what made their miracle so strong, but that heaven has no idea that that’s the case because they can’t conceive of an angel and a demon working together like that.
Yes, I don't want to know his previous name, regardless of whether we find out his former status.
Here's a thought: What if Aziraphale and Crowley are the angel and devil on God's shoulders? God's way of seeing the good and evil in humans up-close and personal to keep track of Her creation's progress.
Oooh that’s such a fun idea!
I completely agree with you. In fact, there are so many theories being made after season 2, that I decided I can put them into a some sort of a book. Just a fan guide in a world of thoughts and little details in the show. And I was honestly going to put into this book every single thought you said in the video 😂 I mean, before I watched it. It's just interesting how we came up with the similar opinions. Good thing I'm writing in another language. I think I'll give you some credit though, because your videos really help to order things and also tell me that my own reasoning, well, have a reason (I'm bad at jokes in english, but I'm trying).
Long story short, thank you! It was been a pleasure to listen to you, just like the last time.
I’m so glad you enjoyed it and that I was able to help! Also I’m aware I speak very quickly sometimes so if there are parts of the video that are difficult to understand please just let me know XD
@@Naumaxia nope, you're quite easy to understand actually! I turn on the subtitles but I can't remember a single place when I really need to read them
Just something regarding the swap, you mentioned that aziraphell wouldn't know about the 2nd coming but in episode 5 crowley does know that the angels are planning a 2nd apocalypse so there is still a reason for them to be suspisious about the promotion
That is an excellent point that I hadn’t considered, partly because Crowley never mentions it, but of course with the swap theory he would have had time to tell Aziraphale and that might motivate them. Excellent point
Thankyou
this was so so informative and since i tend to be really bad at research, it helped me understand s2 so much better!!
I’m so glad you found it helpful!!
I really do think Aziraphale was lying to a degree during their fight, not in a “heaven is the bad guys” way, just in a “I’m terrified for the love of my life and need to save him” sort of way.
If you look at him walking back to the bookshop he doesn’t look happy at all, he looks worried. I think he decided in those few moments that he didn’t have a choice on going to heaven, but Crowley did, and if Crowley thought he was just going for them, they’d never be ok with it. So to protect Crowley, Aziraphale did a small lie in pretending he wanted to go. Their argument was still real and so were his points, but the thing that started it, wasn’t.
That’s why he’s still acting so much like it’s actually happening, because it is. Because he’s actually having to push Crowley away to protect him and he wasn’t able to convince him, so now if he wants to keep him safe he has to leave, and after that kiss how in the world can he
I have a couple theories.
Before there was any idea of Satan in the original texts, there was an Angel who would question and bring forth the ideas of testing humankind. He was the serpent, he was the Angel who wanted to test Job, and he was the one who tempted Jesus. All three of these stories, Crowley has been that entity in the series. This is the first time I have come across the theory that the Metatron has somehow manipulated time and possibly rewritten things in the Book of Life, which compliments my theory well, along with the theory (more like knowledge) that Crowley is a very high ranking Angel.
At first I was thinking that God and him came to an agreement, and that he would go down, have his memories erased, and bring about the ineffable plan, by putting things in motion and keeping things as they should. But, to think that the Metatron had something to do with his fall, memory wipe, and rewriting of his story, makes a lot of sense.
I also knew from the very beginning that the silence of God's narration over the second season was absolutely intentional and has more meaning than anything. Crowley mentioned towards the end of the first season that God isn't speaking to anyone and has left them all. The Metatron is supposed to be the voice of God, but I don't think She has a voice at all right now, She is suspiciously very not around.
I think this is very cool and makes a lot of sense in places! Personally I’m still not a massive fan of theories that outright declare ‘we planned it this way from the start’ because I like characters to have a little more free will than that, however it could be really interesting to see what your version of Crowley thinks of that plan when he finally wakes up and remembers who he is. Has his time on earth as a demon changed the way he thinks since he was an angel?? and what about Aziraphale?
It’s a very cool idea
@@Naumaxia My original idea after Season 2 ended, before going down the rabbit hole of YT fan theory, was that Azi and Crow were exactly where they were meant to be, doing exactly what they were supposed to be doing. Crowley laments numerous times in Season 1 that he only asked questions. But I don’t believe he fell just for asking questions, I believe he fell because he stopped believing that God knew what They were doing, in "God's will." He needed to be a demon for the Ineffable to work itself out. He and Az were always meant to be close to one another, whether war broke out or not.
This doesn’t take away from free will. Technically, Angels weren’t meant to have free will, but Lucifer changed that. There shouldn’t have been a Hell and Demons, but here we are. It doesn’t mean that God, like Dr. Strange, can’t see every single possibility and put into place the correct people or things needed to keep things on track.
“Crowley has always been an optimist” - If he found out his, but more importantly his Angel’s, timeline was manipulated, he would get very angry, kick whoever’s butt needed to be kicked, brush himself off, and take Azi for cheesecake or something. He’s “not that Angel anymore” - What happened has happened, and there is only moving forward. “It’s always too late” - Crowley can stop time, and he accepts the ‘now,’ but he’s always trying to be ahead of ‘it’ or run away from ‘it’ when there is an eminent ‘it.’ He can’t change the past, but his questions seem to allude to ‘knowing’ (feeling?) the future. If God walked up to him, like Alanis Morissette did to Ben Affleck, looked him straight in the eyes, he too would fall to his knees and say, “I’m sorry, I’m so, so sorry.”
Aziraphale is the reflection of everything Crowley isn’t, and vice versa. Where Crowley is tormented and weak, Aziraphale is hopeful and strong. When Crowley wants to run, Aziraphale stands his ground. The two were meant to be one and they bring out the strongest, self-assured, and best traits from each other.
Aziraphale still has his faith in God’s will, but he lacks faith in his purpose and cares too much about what others think of him and what he does. He’s blind to the corruption of Heaven, less so now because of Crow’s influence, but it’s his lesson to learn on his own. “Trust me” - He asks others to trust him, and they do, but he doesn’t put that same trust in the people who trust him, too much trust into those who don’t, and not enough trust in his own true feelings. He ‘believes’ others will do the right thing, he ‘believes’ in God’s will, but trust is very different.
Az is a BAMF, assertive and confident in all the right places, but socially insecure in the worst places. He would be the only one devastated to know that Crowley’s timeline was manipulated. But, it would break the trust he still has with the Elite Heaven Brigade, strengthen his trust in Crowley’s natural intuition, and trust his own thoughts and feelings.
A seriously powerful Angel and Demon, who, with only a few words and bit of handholding, stopped Satan Himself, both breaking their character flaws with one kernel of knowledge? From one perfect ‘aha’ moment? I wouldn’t want to be on the other end of that car crank!
@@Naumaxia Oh! I found the name that the Angel was, it wasn't his name, but his role/rank Hasatan (meaning Adversary). He was the original, highest ranking Angel who HELPED God test humans, before he was morphed into a fiendish creature and cast down in rewritings.
0:43 don’t we all especially rewatching it and all the new animations that came from it
I know this is late but Starbucks did have an almond syrup so maybe someone got it for the Metaron to put in his coffee along with the miracle but it does kinda have a taste and to balance it he added the syrup I don’t know how logical this theory sounds I had a good omens video in my recommendation and became hooked so I’m still vary new to this
Yeah I know what you mean, I think that’s one of the key elements of this theory!
Also a number of people have helpfully pointed out to me that there are a number of places in the uk that do offer almond syrup, just apparently not any I live near
@@Naumaxia i actually have a idea for how the show me end to with Crowley and Azeraphel turning into humans and living the rest of their lives together
I don't think having the coffee theory be real would be a horrible thing. I think it would just take the show in a much different direction. One that goes away from nothing but solid development of character to one that has a bit more action. Like maybe if hypothetically the coffee theory were true then Crowley would have to physically rescue Aziraphale from heaven. At that point I think it really is a matter of personal preference. All I'm saying is I think there is a world where both theories could work. I don't agree with the coffee theory though as wishful thinking or a means to attempt to mute the tragedy and shock of that last scene at the same time.
But at the same time, I do agree with you that it is well within Aziraphale's character to react that way. Especially considering his view of good and evil (no shades of gray). If you don't believe me go rewatch season 1! Azi rejects Crowley loads of times.
One last thing. At first I thought that Aziraphale was leaving and going to heaven and it had nothing to do with Crowley. There's going to be a second coming and no one to stop it. Aziraphale can do a lot more to prevent the second coming if he's archangel. They can't do anything if they're off on Alpha Centuri. So my original thinking was what if Aziraphale went to heaven not because he's meek, but to save people? Just another thought. I'd be curious to see what anyone thinks.
Obviously though we all trust Mr. Gaiman. The only thing we can say for sure is if we do get a season three he is going to give us exactly what we want. Just in a way we don't see coming.
And if you've learned anything from Phillip Pullman, never trust the Metatron!
You make a good point! Season 1 was much more plot focussed than season 2 so it’s entirely possible to go back to that.that said I think some of that more action based plot is entirely possible without the coffee theory, as now that Aziraphale is in heaven the idea that he might change his mind and not be allowed to leave is perfectly plausible.
As for the idea that he’s gone into heaven on purpose to stop the second coming, that would fit into a version of the lie theory which I think I said I feel fits much better than the coffee theory, and would totally make sense as a motivation for Aziraphale, and I suspect that fact that he is in heaven is going to give him more opportunities to stop the second coming in season 3 regardless of whether that was initially his intention
I NEEDED THIS. Thank you so much ❤
Glad you enjoyed it!!
I really enjoyed your rundown of these, and not just because you said so many things I agreed with. :)
I read a theory somewhere, (don't remember where, I'm sorry) that Muriel used to be an archangel, but the other archangels erased their memory. (I assume after the battle) Ngl, if they had their memory erased, it explains some things, like why they're so clueless. Almost just as clueless as Jim, suspiciously enough...
That’s really interesting and would certainly add a fun season 3 twist, as well as add enough motivation to have them speed run their switch to the side of humanity as opposed to heaven
Based on her Tumblr, "The Magic Trick You Didn't See" was written by fantasy author, Alexandra Rowland. I put links in a separate comment, as sometimes comments with links seem to disappear on here (so I hope it won't, but at least the info is here).
Yeah a couple of people have mentioned this, apparently I missed her name by not scrolling all the way to the bottom of the document
@@Naumaxia I see! I got to the Google doc from the Tumblr post, and I didn't remember whether her name was on the doc or not. Just thought you'd like to know.
I loved this video and the art
Thank you!
Sort of irrelevant to these theories, but I read a fan fic, where we find out Maggie is a descendant of Magdalena. Which would be very neat if it had some sort of relevance in the actual show, accidentally predicting something. ( I have to repeat this is only a fanfic.) But it would tie in nicely to the season 3 plot and also show why Maggie and Nina are important to the plot, not just to make Crowley realize some things and finally confess, and to show us a healthier relationship with better communication, but to tie in with the second coming plot.
NOOOO I wanted to hear the teory "Maggie is a Demon" because it has been bugging me since the first spelling mistake!!!
Well the theory is based around the fact that Maggie misspells ‘urgency’ on the note she sends Aziraphale at the beginning of the season, and it’s repeatedly highlighted during the season that demons can’t spell. And also the fact that she seems to be particularly resistant to aziraphales miracles.
However, the poor spelling from the demons is mostly pointed out by Crowley who is also a demon, implying poor spelling isn’t inherent to all demons, or perhaps only lower level demons. Maggie might also just be dyslexic as human beings aren’t all good at spelling either. As for the miracle resistance, this is odd, but Nina also seems resistance. That implies that it might instead be due to their repeated exposure to miracles, a side effect of them suspect in Aziraphale and Crowley aren’t humans that makes miracles less potent, or proof that miracles can’t really be used to completely brainwash someone.
In other words it’s a really fun theory and it would be cool if it was true, but it’s probably not that likely
@Naumaxia Thank you very much for the explanation!😊 I had not taken into consideration the 'resistance to miracles' 🤔 I just thought they did not always work (there doesn't seem to be any hard rule on the effectiveness of "mind meddling" miracles). However, you are probably right: even if the spelling thing was very highlighted in the show, there is no other solid evidence of this theory.
The #1 requirement of an explanation for the end of S2 is that it be something clear, simple, and obvious once explained, that can be quickly shown to, and will immediately make sense to, a casual watcher in S3.
The idea that the almond flavor in the coffee is in part because of CYANIDE, which has a bitter almond flavor, and could have a specific effect on angels the way that laudanum had a specific effect on Crowley, fits the bill. It would also explain why specifically almond syrup is involved if it's NOT something that's typically available.
The Metatron miracling Aziraphale in the part of their conversation that we DON'T see also fits the bill.
For the miracle sound we hear with the phrase "Second Coming" to have to do with summoning the lift doesn't make sense, because the suggested lift-summoning doesn't sound anything like it does when Muriel does it... And we don't ever hear the miracle sound without SEEING the target of the miracle in that moment.
Aziraphale would be 100% AGAINST the Second Coming, because it would lead to life on Earth as he knows and loves it ENDING, and he would ABSOLUTELY need to be miracled at that point to keep him from cutting and running.
There's no reason to think that body swapping would alter the flow of time, and no benefit to the plot of them doing a body swap AGAIN; how would it be any better for CROWLEY to go to heaven? And can you imagine the abuse Neil would be in for if he did a SECOND body swap?
And finally, we need an explanation for why Aziraphale walks away from his beloved bookshop without taking a single one of his beloved books with him; to me, that is the final proof that Aziraphale has been affected by more than just TALK!
Re the body swap I’ve realised the thing I didn’t mention here is that the theory hangs on the idea that there’s a missing scene in the middle of that fight where Aziraphale expresses his concerns and then they swap, and time moves forward during that scene we don’t see so that the clock jumps. I still don’t believe this theory for the record, just wanted to clarify that that is why the clock is relevant.
As for the miracle sound and the lift, you make some very good points about direction (it’s weird that the filmography doesn’t make it clearer) and I could be completely wrong. I just found that it lined up really well with when the lift must have appeared so I figured it deserved a mention.
As for Aziraphale, You’re right. I think the most suspicious thing is that he leaves all of his books and music etc behind, and that is quite hard to explain. With the words ‘second coming’ you could also be right, although I think there’s also a chance that if Aziraphale was intending to try ‘fix’ heaven then the idea of the second coming might just make him more determined to stop them and change their minds.
For the record I’m not against the idea that the Metatron did manipulate him with magic a little, I can just personally see how all his religious trauma and abuse over the last 6000 years might have led to him making this decision anyway (at least in part)
Aziraphale seemed like he was doubting whether he should go after Crowley or not when Metatron mentioned the second coming. That made him more determined to take the job. He wants to change things from the inside. He is more likely to be able to protect humanity as the supreme archangel than on the run with Crowley.
@@solve756 That's exactly what I thought originally as well.
Though it is interesting that Almond has a similar taste to cyanide, because it could mean he poisoned it (just straight up, no brainwash, just good old poison). Or, I wonder if it could be a metaphor for Heavens ideology is slowing poisoning Aziraphale?
I think people are confused about what the Book of Life actually is... Unless it's different in the Good Omens Universe, the Book of Life is literally a book with every person's name written in it who will/does/has exist(ed). Which is interesting since angels and demons aren't people I suppose but I think it's well established in the season that the angels and demons too must be in the book (unless that is a naive assumption by the angels who believe they have the power to manipulate the book when they in fact do not). That's why there's a threat of being erased from the book because it would be as simple as erasing a single name. I don't believe the book is a book detailing everything that has ever happened in the universe in chronological order, so the Metatron editing the book like it's on wattpad seems improbable to me on that foundational reason alone. Also, I'm not even sure the Metatron would have the power to do that since in the Old Testament God alone is the one who writes the names of all people who will be/are/have been born.
Great artwork, by the way, and I really enjoy your commentary :)
Thanks! And yes I think this makes much more sense as the way the book of life behaves than it being a huge history book, although technically we don’t have any proof of that in the show itself yet. Either way the threat of removing one person is much more effective as a storytelling method than the ability to rewrite any moment in history as it allows characters to keep their autonomy in a way that the magic trick theory doesn’t.
We have solid evidence that the angel that became Crowley was very high ranking, and above Aziraphale. Aziraphale is called a Principality in season 1. In season 2 Crowley is able to open the folder on Gabriel which Muriel said could only be opened by a power or a dominion or above. Crowley opened it easily, because he wasn't always a demon, and they never change the passwords.
My theory about the meaning of the coffee is simple. The name of shop "Give me coffee or give me death" is significant. The Metatron got a coffee and offered it to Aziraphale to let him choose life or death.
Yeah that all makes a lot of sense really, although at most I think the coffee shop name is used symbolically or as foreshadowing as I’m not expecting the actual shop to make a return in season 3 now that Nina and Maggie stories are neatly wrapped up
Aziraphale isn't anormal angel nor is he an archangel, he is a princeapality. Witch according to the hierarchy of angels makes him above archangels, but i dont think Neil went really into depth with that. I mean Dagon and Hastur are LoveCrafting gods(yes i know Dagon is a god from an older religion)
Someone asked this on tumblr, and essentially in biblical mythology there are two kinds of archangels. Lowercase archangels that sit at the bottom of the barrel and would be beneath Aziraphale, and uppercase Archangels such as Michael, Gabriel, etc. who are at the very top of the angelic hierarchy, and therefore above Aziraphale and everyone else
thank you so much for the video! what a lovely speedpaint, and i enjoyed listening to your take on the theories. 💖 the google doc theory's 'it was badly written on purpose' concept immediately reminded me of what some theorists did with bbc's sherlock. given how that whole kerfuffle turned out, i really don't think it's a mindset worth having - i completely agree with you that it doesn't make sense from a financial or narrative perspective. cheers!
So glad you enjoyed it! And yeah a lot of people seem to be having rather unpleasant flashbacks to the whole Sherlock business, but luckily most people seem to agree that if we just wait for season 3 it will all make sense again
btw teh author of The Magic Trick You Didn't See was Alexandra Roland, she's written a good couple books which i haven't had the chance to read but are on my wishlist
Ahhh cool! I missed the bit with her name on at the end. To be fair there’s some good points and really solid analysis in that theory it just wasn’t really my cup of tea
Great video, and I LOVE your art! About further theories, could you cover the miracle that they did together, it's importance, and what it might mean for the future? That has to be important in some way, for season 3, and why the Metatron was so eager to get Aziraphale and Crowley away from each other.
Exactly! Give me that beautiful character development!!
That was a good video.
Thinking about the miracle sound when Metatron says “second coming” it doesn’t make sense for him to be actively miracle-ing Aziraphale’s mind then because you can see on his face the second he realises that he screwed up and that Metatron is going to try to force him into starting the final end. So if anything this would be him breaking out of any manipulative miracle.
Also I wonder if Aziraphale’s smile is his internal resolve to try to make his decision be in his and Crowley’s best interest (ie having more influence on the supposed second coming from the inside)
I’m autistic too, and whilst his smile came across as creepy to me, I can agree it was probably his attempt to make himself feel better or convince the Metatron.
Edit: one thing I noticed is that in the massive essay style theory you seemed to skip over how they suggested that Maggie was a fictional creation of Metatron because “she doesn’t drink alcohol” and that the past scenes are wrong because they suggest that Aziraphale doesn’t drink alcohol when, of course he does and that it’s all tied to an idea that Metatron “doesn’t like alcohol”? And to be honest I found that to be the dumbest part of the argument because.
A. It implies that no normal human adult can dislike alcohol (I am an adult who finds the taste of alcohol unappealing and not worth the price.)
B. That Aziraphale’s tastes can’t have changed over the course of millennia and that he might have changed his mind on drinking later in time.
C. That Metatron was able to tweak there past and use it to remove an irrelevant part of it, but didn’t bother putting him off his sherry in the present.
Basically as a person who relates to Maggie immensely it kind of invalidated most of the theory for me.
Also thank you for putting out there that Crowley is a trans allegory and demanding to know his Angel name is like pressuring someone to tell you their dead name.
Edit 2: And now I really would love a fic where Aziraphale becomes Raphael; like we see from Crowley’s POV that there’s been a rise in celestial miracles and his contact (whomever it may be) says “Oh yes, that’ll be Raphael’s doing” and Crowley being like “Who?” “You know, Archangel Raphael, the healer? The greatest and most powerful Archangel of all time?” Then later it turns out that Aziraphale has been allowed to go ham on the nice miracles in order to placate him whilst Metatron sets up the end.
So glad you enjoyed the video!
And yes I skipped over the bit about Maggie not drinking on purpose because it just seemed so stupid to me. I know a couple of people have decided she doesn’t seem ‘realistic’ because she’s a shy non drinking person who was clearly picked on in secondary school, but frankly so am I so I really don’t see the problem. I’ll admit the bit where she goes ‘no judgement’ when talking to Nina makes me feel a bit awkward but frankly I’ll excuse that because I like both her and her excellent cardigans. I also think it’s strange that Aziraphale gets pulled up on his drinking habits in season 2 because it makes perfect sense to me that he would be tempted into food and drink slowly over the years, and that alcohol would presumably come second. It would be odd if the naive little angel fresh out of heaven was getting black out drunk like he does in parts of season one. I also think this slow acceptance of his less angelic habits helps build up this characterisation of someone who is slowly breaking away from a very controlling and abusive relationship, and therefore supports this idea that there are still parts of him that might not have broken free from heaven yet.
Essentially there was wayyy too much in that theory for me to cover anything so I chose the bits that I thought made the strongest argument and dissected those.
About the name thing, popes also choose their names when they become popes i dont now why,but i thought of that.
That’s a good point!
I do think the metatron could possibly have tried to separate aziraphale and Crowley, just via the job offer. So if Crowley accepted he could keep an eye on him, and if he didn’t they would still be separated. I don’t think he influenced aziraphale’s decision at all, but idk think he may have been worried about the miracle. Not a fan of coffee theory, but that’s just my opinion.
I completely agree with you! I’m not a fan of the coffee theory either and think that what you’ve said makes so much more sense
Land me with those thoughts on maggie being a demon!
Well the theory is based around the fact that Maggie misspells ‘urgency’ on the note she sends Aziraphale at the beginning of the season, and it’s repeatedly highlighted during the season that demons can’t spell. And also the fact that she seems to be particularly resistant to aziraphales miracles.
However, the poor spelling from the demons is mostly pointed out by Crowley who is also a demon, implying poor spelling isn’t inherent to all demons, or perhaps only lower level demons. Maggie might also just be dyslexic as human beings aren’t all good at spelling either. As for the miracle resistance, this is odd, but Nina also seems resistance. That implies that it might instead be due to their repeated exposure to miracles, a side effect of them suspect in Aziraphale and Crowley aren’t humans that makes miracles less potent, or proof that miracles can’t really be used to completely brainwash someone.
In other words it’s a really fun theory and it would be cool if it was true, but it’s probably not that likely
@@Naumaxia omg yes I do remember thinking it was shocking that Aziraphale couldn't magic her! I thought it would be explained but it wasn't
AHHH this video is amazing, and i love all of your points! And goddamn these comments are so interesting to read! So one idea ive been wondering, cause i do think the coffee is weird, but i personally think it could be poisoned! Specifically, it could be poisoned with holy water, potentially as a way for the metatron to test if Crowley is actually resistant to holy water. Considering all of the angels think Aziraphale and Crowely have always been in a relationship, i could see him maybe thinking that by getting Aziraphale drink the holy water, and then potentially kiss Crowley, it could potentially poison him slowly. Granted, not a lot of evidence, but it would make for a wonderfully dramatic scene in season 3.
Thank you so much!!
And that theory is pretty cool! Especially as almond is supposedly really good at masking the flavour of cyanide (aka poison). My big query with this would be that historically holy water tends to act a bit more like acid, and just burns immediately to the touch. Also I’m not sure it would be worth the Metatron betting on the fact that they’d kiss because they never have before, and neither did Gabriel and Beelzebub. Kissing is a very human notion and so the idea that an angel might do it must seem pretty alien.
However if the Metatron had suspicions about the body swap in the s1 trial, this might have been a way of testing for that, and checking it really is Aziraphale he’s talking to. Although if he accidentally killed Crowley that would steal all his bargaining power.
It’s a very cool idea though so I’d have to think about it some more.
@Naumaxia Hmm, good point! Honestly it's more of a wish scene then being very likely. Though I absolutely think the coffee is going to be used in some way or form, and given the Metatron being... well the Metatron, I immediately assume harm of some kind. I could also see the potential that, if Aziraphale is to stay in Heaven, he might start to miss food and drinks, which could lead the Metatron to maybe start to bring things to him, again as a way to potentially poison him. God there are so many ways to think of it, I can't wait for season 3!
@@emmaballantyne9937 definitely!! The Metatron is suspicious as hell and now he has Aziraphale he’s certainly not likely to let him go
I've seen people claiming to hear miracles all over the infamous scene, like literally in every single part (no the same person claiming to hear it all over, I mean individual people claiming different parts have a miracle sound) I think we're having a bad case of hearing what we want to hear, because I had the same experience of not hearing it then hearing it then not hearing it in one part lol
Glad to know it’s not just me XD
German person here, and I just want to say, firstly this is just a subjective opinion, nothing to do with theories,
but if Crowley's name was Raphael, I would find that a bit akward.
In english, when you put Aziraphale and Raphael as names into some sort of duo, it sounds pretty.
In german however, Aziraphale is called Erziraphael,
Erzi- ,and then you pronounce Raphael, as a seperate word.
So you would have two Raphaels, and I think that sounds a bit akward.
Like I said nothing to do with theories.
That makes sense! I’ve never really believed the Crowley as Raphael theory, although this might support the idea that Aziraphale is going to become Raphael as their names are so similar
@@Naumaxia Hm, maybe. I don't think the writers will look at the german pronounciation to decide something like this, but I'm happy this can be used as fuel for a theory.
I really enjoyed your video by the way.
Arch-angel in German is Erz-engel (like some metal: iron/steel) Erzi-raphael is like Arch(angel)raphael - if the characters merge in the end to become one (whole) entity, both could be a part of the "true Raphael" (like matter & antimatter - you merge them and they vanish by giving off a lot of energy: let there be light!) AND Neil Gaiman had told many times that he started out with only one fuzzy minded watchman over earth. Later Terry Pratchett proposed to split this witness of human affairs into two, represented by a demon and an angel...
Funny that nobody mentioned the fact that the other archangels didn't know or recognize Metatron - Uriel sensed something like a higher officer, but could not place his name or title. But Crowley had uncovered the fact of how Gabriel was forced to leave Heaven - otherwise he would not have been able to name Metatron (why didn't the others remenber?)
@@LisaBeta-42 I never made that connection between Erzi and Erz, that's a pretty cool observation in your part.
This is a little side note from a former barista: Almond coffee syrup does indeed exist, at least in the USA
Yeah I’m starting to get that impression. I’ve also been told we do have it in the uk if you go to a Starbucks. But generally I’ve only ever seen Vanilla, caramel, hazelnut, and then some seasonal ones like pumpkin spice, gingerbread or cinnamon. Plus good omens is set in London so they probably do have more flavours there than in a tiny little town similar to where I live but I’ve not been to London for a good few years now XD
This is a PS to a previous comment I posted that I can't find. Another "clue" about the coffee was the name of the coffee shop "Give me coffee or Give me death" Metatron asks Nina if anyone has ever chosen/asked for death, which of course, no one has. This sets up Metatron needing to intervene with sweetened coffee in the frist place to entice & sweeten the deal which Aziraphale only notices in the coffee but not in the offer being too sweet/good to be true and ironically, which he will not be able to enjoy in heaven.
Damn, Neil Gaiman just debunked my personal Lucifer theory with just one comment haha Really nice video and I would like to listen to your opinion on the Maggie being a demon theory
Glad you enjoyed it!!
the theory is based around the fact that Maggie misspells ‘urgency’ on the note she sends Aziraphale at the beginning of the season, and it’s repeatedly highlighted during the season that demons can’t spell. And also the fact that she seems to be particularly resistant to aziraphales miracles.
However, the poor spelling from the demons is mostly pointed out by Crowley who is also a demon, implying poor spelling isn’t inherent to all demons, or perhaps only lower level demons. Maggie might also just be dyslexic as human beings aren’t all good at spelling either. As for the miracle resistance, this is odd, but Nina also seems resistance. That implies that it might instead be due to their repeated exposure to miracles, a side effect of them suspect in Aziraphale and Crowley aren’t humans that makes miracles less potent, or proof that miracles can’t really be used to completely brainwash someone.
In other words it’s a really fun theory and it would be cool if it was true, but it’s probably not that likely
@@Naumaxia Ooh, thank you so much for answering! I knew about that theory in general, but never thought about the miracle resistance thing! I guess most people (including me) were just... caught off that the plot made some emphasis on Maggie's misspelt and the only other time a misspelling is mentioned is regarding demons.
So I understand that people came up with that theory, because there's no explicit explanation to Maggie's misspelt. But yep, you're right that it could've been just a mistake on her part.
Although I would love some side lovestory about a lesser demon and a human 0:
The kiss could work with the swap theory if it's like a goodbye kiss since they're afraid of what might happen and they wont be able to see eachother for a while, I dont think the theory is going to be canon but I kinda like it
Theoretically yes, but I think if that was true it would have been a lot gentler and probably would have occurred during the missing scene? You’re right though it is a possibility
can crowley be an archangel , in the scene where gabriel gets demoted , the metatron mentions how a second fallen archangel would indicate an institutional problem , implying only 1 fallen archangel being lucifer ?
He specifically uses the phrase ‘prince of heaven’ which I personally assumed was an equivalent to supreme archangel rather than just archangel in general but you do make a very good point. My personal take is that Crowley was very high up in the hierarchy of heaven, but how far up is open to debate. He wasn’t necessarily an archangel, he may have just as likely been a few steps down from that.
Cool being able to move the drawn pieces....how is that done and what drawing computer program is being used to create this piece of art?😮
I used clip studio paint! Although most art programs should have a transform tool which allows you to select pieces of your drawing and resize or reposition them
Ok I know that most of this fandom is straight from Sherlock, so please let’s not do the fake bad writing thing again. It didn’t work out the first time and it won’t now, it hurts that aziraphale made that choice just like it hurt that Johnlock wasn’t a thing. But this time we have a writer who actually loves the audiences theories and doesn’t laugh at them, and who actually made them gay, and we need to trust that he is doing it for the character development which honestly makes sense. We can’t all just not like it and hide behind the fake bad writing argument
Agreed! Plus I don’t even think the writing was bad personally (here that is, Sherlock is a different matter)
my personal theory(not quite about the end of season 2) is that the metatron erases aziraphales memories of crowley, to prevent aziraphale from attempting to run off with crowley like gabriel does with beelzebub. i think it would make a lot of sense and it would set up a very fun season 3. plus this is my silly little explanation for aziraphales unnerving smile at the end, because this would make it a genuine smile/a “i’m definitely fine” smile, as he forgets the reason that he was upset and tries to make it seem like he’s normal.
That could be such a fun idea and would add a whole extra layer to the problems they have to solve. My main question is if they’d have enough time in six episodes to reverse the memory loss and sort through and process all the trust issues Crowley now inevitably has.
@@Naumaxiamy thought(mostly just as a fic writer who thinks this would be silly) is that at some point during the next season crowley would kiss aziraphale again, reminding him of what had happened between them. obviously not necessarily a realistic fix for the memory loss but one that pleases my little “now kiss” writing brain
@@immortalfrog1009 honestly, that’s a damn good point
You've never gone to a Starbucks have you? They offer almond syrup. Interestingly almond is the perfect taste camouflage for cyanide. I learnt that from watching The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina. Not sure how true that is, but if Metatron did slip something in, it's an interesting syrup to choose. Personally, I would've gone for hazelnut.
I have been in a Starbucks but clearly I wasn’t paying enough attention. Funnily enough though Hazelnut syrup is actually my favourite
@@Naumaxia I used to work at one so I was quite familiar with the syrup flavors, hehe.