2024 A2 sportsbike Shootout | Ninja500 vs CBR500R vs RS457 vs RC390 vs 450SR-S | MCN
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I think you’re right to test bikes with the tyres they come with. An owner can change the tyres, but you can also change suspension and brakes. Most people don’t bin the original unused tyres on Day 1! Plus it encourages manufacturers to fit good tyres and not skimp on them.
They aren't comparing tyres they're comparing bikes, best that all have the same tyre
I mean, whilst this is technically true, motorcycle tyres are purely perishable whilst Brakes, suspension are not... they need to be maintained but it is rare that one same motorbike will undergo several brake changes or suspension changes.
I do think it is interesting to compare the bikes with the OEM tyres, however if you want a fair comparison, you need to fit identical tyres.
If you take these bikes to the track, or are serious about sporty riding you will probably change tyres anyway, so it is a bit of a moot point to compare OEM rubber.
My first Z650 was equipped with budget dunlop tyres which where universally considered hot garbage. At the pace i was riding they felt absolutely fine. Most new riders will not spot the difference, so why splash out on super premium tyres for beginner riders.
Doubt it would’ve made much difference most bikes come with grippy tyres out the showroom super soft compounds to make you go oh this is great I brought a cbr650r and the tyres were shredded in months but hey they were fun
@@Stratocasterhead51 Naaah, if you buy a new bike, you ride it with the tyres it came on. If you want to review second hand bikes then fit whatever tyres you want. This is a review of new bikes. Plus brake pads are purely perishable too, so I don’t agree with the point you make about that as they can be changed too. If you’re a serious track rider, you wouldn’t be buying these bikes anyway! 😂
@@cp4512 Hey i agree, changing brake pads is routine. Suspension and the rest of the brakes, not so much.
And the aprilia / ktm sound just about perfect for anyone looking to get serious about track riding.
The color scheme on the Aprilia is absolutely stunning, wow
Apart from the orange wheels
@@512460 that is because of color correction, its actually red
@@alokjain313it's not red, it's more orange in person,
Looks worst in person, white looks best, although I got the black one, racing stripes they call it
@@alokjain313 ohhh seee
The Aprilia looks fantastic, probably the best 1st bike to buy for someone who wants to ride sportbikes in the future.
meanwhile europeeans being able to only start on 125 :(. I have a rs125
Looks too plasticky and a the fairings looks a bit cheap
@limsnoor_5412 u mean under 18 Europeans?
or the Gsx8r
@@xxneggalee2785get new fairings icl that’s the first thing I’m gonna do, spend some money on some real carbon get lighter wheels try and get as much out as you can
Finally this shootout ! the RS457 simply looks the best not because its Italian but it also has balanced proportions.
This how bike comparison videos should be made, only a licensed racer can give such genuine comparison, no bs, no repeated fame digging words like all other channels just honesty. Keep Growing.
The Aprilia is the winner? So beautiful. An absolutely amazing engine. So proud to own an Aprilia. The RS457 is a very very good machine. Easy when you want it and quite quick on full throttle. 4.85s to 100km/h. Amazing value for money! I own a KTM and an Aprilia both but I really think the RS457 is a masterpiece. I’ve driven one and I just couldn’t stop grinning! ❤🎉
"value for money"😂 (did you forget the bike cover is for 16k)
@@shahrukhshaikh2737 I can't even fathom the level of genuisness here that's evaluating the VFM proposition of a motorcycle based on the price of OEM accessories.
As an owner of 2nd gen RC390 its just not only a great ( in my opinion the best A2 ) sports bike but just flat out one of the greatest sportbikes ever!
The tft with abs and traction control I can toggle, to fine tuning the WP forks, to having the Quickshift+ its just a fun bike to ride and have some fun with on the weekends!
Its just so light and nimble but get feels so planted on my local track, KTM seriously needs some praise for this bike, it rocks!
Also as an edit: the reason the first gen RC390 had notorious reliability issues and headgasket issues was due to how the exhaust the mounted. KTM mounted it up and around the block and only it gave one cooling fan, this making it prone to overheating and headgasket issues.
In 2019 they fixed this by just having the exhaust route under the engine and it's still the same with the 2nd, they're ALOT more reliable than the first.
I got a gen 2 KTM rc390 and love everything about this bike except for the jerky low end performance in the city.
@@ferbinxyz on mine I put on a FuelxLite auto tuner because I have a DNA airbox lid, K&N air filter and a full system DominatoR.
The FuelxLite auto tuner is something I recommend any owner of the 2nd gen RC or any 390 owner should do
2:20 the engine size in cc for the kawasaki and honda should be switched around. Honda is 471cc, kawasaki is 451cc.
correct
that behind-the-visor shot was nuts! First time I’ve ever seen that filming angle.
Sat on the cbr500 at the dealer yesterday and it felt so much lighter than my cbr600f4. More approachable seat height as well. Only second to the Aprilia in the looks dept. I actually like the idea of a sporty looking bike with a less aggressive rider position myself.
What about r7 or gsx8r
@@Snippydust I sat on all 3 of them at the same dealer. The R7 and GSX8 feel like they are closer to the weight of my 24 year old 600. The R7 had similar ergonomics to my 600. The cbr and GSX8 both feature a less aggressive rider position but the little 500 is noticeably lighter. It felt like my grom but bigger.
This Honda is heavy as hell. My S1000R 22 its 199kg wet! This 500cc Honda should be 20kg lighter for sure.
I LOVE having Joseph on camera talking about A2 bikes. I feel very represented with him. He has great presenter skills also. On the other hand, whilst I fully understand his arguments and I also want a raw and exciting bike, i must also commute to work with it, so something halfway between the KTM and the Honda would be perfect for me, especially being 1,83m tall and not skinny 😂
Seems like the Kawasaki is the closest fit to my needs, but the over soft suspension makes me steer away from it…
I can only then think about getting a restricted bike, i’ll find something bigger that will fit me better and probably a better damped bike than these options here whilst still being dailyable….
Decisions, decisions….😅
Gei? 🤣🤣
In Australia the CFMOTO is the cheapest by a long margin in this group and becoming the go to bike for learners wanting a Sportbike. Having ridden one I didn’t experience any problems as mentioned. Perhaps it was just the one you had. The Honda also sells well for larger riders as it does provide a bigger bike feel. The Aprilia? I wouldn’t take the gamble of the potential for you to get to know the warranty rep.
Awesome info. What Aprilia did you own?
@@kingkire1556 I’ve owned a few. Are you a new rider looking at options?
@@marcusgeorge1825 Australia seem to have the pricing right. I’ve no problem with Chinese bikes, but I’m not happy to pay European/Japanese prices for them when they’re not as good. If they were much much cheaper then they might be worth a look.
@@marcusgeorge1825 Not a new rider but I have never owned an Aprilia.
I'm with Neevesy....the Honda is the most comfortable to drive on the street day in and out.
I would say that about the ninja.
*Ride.
Almost pre-ordered a 457. They are gorgeous, but Aprilia has a dismal dealership presence in Texas so I went a different route.
This is Aprilia's biggest problem right now in the states. I'm considering the Tuono 660 as my next bike, but there are no dealers near where I live, a 2M population metro area. The closest is a 2 hour drive away, in a city that's 1/3 the size. How does that make any sense?
It is the same case in India and many other countries as well. Aprilia needs to listen and improve its service network. If there is a service network issue in the US, there isn't much hope in other countries.
I pre-ordered it, all I need is to get my license now 😂
Which one did you get?
@@byhsu6140 I bought a used CBR600F4. About 95hp for $4000 usd. Half what I would have paid for the 457.
Great clear concise appraisal from Joe, very impressed by his testing skills.... Look out Neevsey!
the tyres on the Aprillia are Indian tyres they are known as : TVS eurogrips
all Indian Journalists praised these tyres, But MCN found them to be lacking, IDK what to trust.
@@Pratham40sthose tyres are made for Indian roads, well suited for Indian roads
@@Pratham40s They are trustworthy, but just slightly below michelin, but priced way lower. I agree they might be lacking compared to what MCN is used to, mostly they went this route to keep the cost in check.
Indian journalists even manage to do a sub 5 second 0-60 on Aprillia...and said it's faster than kawasaki 500 in straight line as well...all with these tyres... I guess it all comes to what people are more compatible with
@@emadkhan4157aprilla puts a lot of strain on body especially the position
If u have smaller torso u are going to regret
Great job both of you. Looking forward to what Joseph buys next.
Brilliant to hear from the younger riders..great content as usual and dream team presenters
Every Indian journalist: The brakes on RS457 suck
Meanwhile MCN: The brakes feel amazing
Well they did suck on the race track
Wonder what tires the RS 457 is going to get in the USA. That bike is at the top of my list for spring! Great video!
These tyres really good for the road but not good enough for track
Where im from the cfmoto is significantly cheaper than the rest but if i could choose without worrying abt money id go with the aprilia
Forget performance. The paint on that Aprilia is knock out GORGEOUS. I'd buy it for that alone.
Wasnt in the market for this class of bike, but the review made want to try them all. Great job, chaps.
Thanks so much for doing this comparison, I’ve been in the market recently. So the timing couldn’t be more perfect📢
You can turn the TC off on the 450SR-S. Fixes it cutting in as its overly sensitive.
I will make my a2 license in half a year. I want to buy the 450srs now. Do you think this is good. It looks sooooo good.
Relevant. Thank you for reviewing bikes which a working person could buy any two of if they chose, and not one bike that cost more than all 5 together.
Vote for Ninja 500 here, it's available in Anniversary colours in the SE ABS version I believe. I had a 2018 Ninja 400 for a couple years before selling it when I moved to the USA.Do it all, confidence inspiring, lightweight, small capacity road bike.Best bike I ever sold. Aprillia if it can be reliable would be a great track toy to learn a lot from.
10:27 I'm shocked that Kawasaki didn't bring the 40th anniversary paint scheme to the UK for the 500 even though we got it in the states, but wow am I jealous of the slight variation in the one you all got over there. That purple is also deeply drool-worthy.
yeah it's a shame, not available in Spain either :(
The green is great for visibility I guess, and everybody recognizes the model
Michael is the best in the business. A real veteran. Thanks for the vid!
If ktm rc had that old headlight setup for this body it would have looked so sharp and dope
I learned how to ride like 4-5 months ago and got the 500 as my first bike and I absolutely love it. Like you guys were saying it really does keep the beginner rider safe and I have made my fair share mistakes on it without really being punished. I can’t wait to upgrade to the zx6r in a year or two after I hone in all my skills.
Thank you guys. I have a Z400 with about 5k miles and its about what you said......does everything pretty well, nothing terrible, and is an absolutely inexpensive entry into riding.
Thanks for sharing
You guys are brilliant. Love your content, love your personalities, love the insights.
Just a small correction
Eurogrip tires are made in India by TVS Srichakra Limited (TSL), which also makes TVS and Eurogrip brand tires, which Aprilia is running on.
im sorry what colour grading nonsense am i witnessing that makes KTM orange look almost yellow??? are you guys okay?? blink twice if your editor is holding you hostage
I think they told their editor to color grade this on Sunday 😂
Thought it was my monitor for a sec
if you ask me these kind of bikes are the most fun to ride push on small twisty roads. The plus is that you have tons of fun and still within or a bit above speed limits. And really the only time you ever realize you’re on a small bike is when you were on those big interstate roads. Just take the back roads and they have plenty of power
Great conversation between you both. Brilliant vid 👍
For a 6foot person the honda cbr500r eventually grew to kill my posture. It wasn’t sporty and i couldn’t be totally vertical. It was a very awkward half hunch. Threw my back out twice with it going over some nasty bumps too because the suspension is shite. Got 70mpg on that bugger though!
The price difference here in Australia is staggering. I can see in your video that, apparently, the CFMOTO and Aprilia are the same price...
Here in Australia, you can pick up the CFMOTO for $8,500 new, and the Aprilia starts at $12,500. Almost 50% more than the 450SR-S.
500 ninja under $10k also (40th anniversary 500 cost me $10k but I had to pay interstate delivery on top but it was that or miss out) zx4rr $15k zx6r $18k all 40th anniversary bikes
They messed up the prices. In UK the CFmoto srs is 5699 and not 6500
This is where i'm at now. Probably going to grab the Honda since its going to be my only vehicle for a couple months. But if the motorcycle was just a toy, i'd grab the KTM for sure. That orange is beautiful
I love that you have times for the bikes! The quarter mile would also be great! 😁
Pick up my rs457 Saturday, so excited!!
What colour did you get I can’t decide between prismatic dark and racing strips
@@charlienicholls2548 I took first available and picked her up yesterday. Opalescent White. Over 200 miles already and loving it! Very happy with my purchase so far.
How was it
@@s7edgekat610 This bike has far exceed my expectations! It has a surprising amount of torque and pep everywhere in the rev range. Compared to the Ninja this bike feels quite a bit more premium and sporty.
I bought this bike to be my track toy and don't think I will have a single regret. Since buying this I have not ridden my MT-10 a single time, this little guy is just so easy to deal with, light, and fun to ride.
Most people I know that had larger a2 restricted bikes had removed the restrictors. Having had a cb500f as my first/A2 bike. I regretted not buying a bigger bike like an xj6 or cb650 as once you upgrade to a full A license you won't want to keep an A2 bike
I could imagine
Meh, I had an XJ6 restriced and my dad has an MT 07 (non restricted) atm. I have a CFMOTO 450 NK and it rides even better than the restricted XJ6. THE NK is 1 second slower than an MT 07 when doing a 0 - 60. I don't really think that getting your A licence after of your A2 means dumping your A2 bike ASAP. A bike is more than the HP and torque alone imho.
Great video, very useful. I think you should improve on color editing because between your clips the bikes change color (honda and ktm are completely a different color)
Brilliant! Much wanted one at that!
What speeds do these do at the top of 2nd and 3rd? I’m considering downsizing from my 600 which does over 90 in 2nd so I can’t really have any fun without risking my license all the time.
I love my rs457, so agile and fun. It was definitely worth the wait
I'd like to hear from you when you have put 30-40000km on her. until bad reliability name disappears I'll stick to the Kawasaki and Honda for dual sport
Another excellent video.MCN is really great
As an Aussie, I love the Aussie themed helmet design 🇦🇺
I feel so proud for waiting a year more and getting the aprilia ❤
Pricing is way different in Australia. CF Moto 450 SR-S is $AU 9,290 ride away, Aprilia is $12,500. I have a 450 SR-S and have zero issues. Fantastic bike IMO.
I have not had one Chinese bike make it anywhere near 30000km without breaking down or having major issues. I have yet had issues on Honda and now added ninjas to the garage
I love these shootouts, I just wish you guys didn't put such a heavy warm filter on these videos. It changes the look of the bikes too much imo. That Aprilia has beautiful paint, but looks odd with this filter. Just my 2 cents. Great video though!
2:19 ninja and Cbr displacements are swapped here :)
Yes 👍 I was about to comment that
waiting for new gen RC 390...i think japan gets the cbr400r too. ninja 500 has a 451 cc engine( not 471)....where's the r3?
The R3 hasn't had an update in 5 years. Decent bike but you can't exactly call it relevant anymore.
If they made it look like the upcoming RCR with the wings, and bump single displacement to 450cc and max A2 hp, priced right it would own the class
Other than cfmoto i have ridden all and gotten rs457 last month and after 2000kms i think its definitely the best specially for the price in my country
Nice one lads. Based on that Dyno chart the ECU has been programmed to cut available power and torque at 9,000 rpm. A little remap will see much more potential, for closed course riding only. 😂 Bring it on!
Did we get to see what once put down the quickest lap time on track
sir can we adjust the handle of Honda with clip ons? would it be a better move or remain to stock
Since these are hashtagged #beginner - I did the research on the insurance prices for a new rider in their first year of riding:
- Aprilia RS457: £3487
- Kawasaki Ninja 500: £2000
- KTM RC390: £2000
- CFMoto: £1696
- Honda CBR500R: £1297
Quote details:
- Added an end can for £500 (let’s face it, lots of people will do this)
- Added Datatag for security
- Added membership of British Motorcycle Federation
I realize these quotes are highly contextual, so here is my context: I’m 42 and a new rider. I passed four months ago. I'm a homeowner, and a full-time employed professional, working as a marketing director for a software company. I currently ride a new 2024 Bonneville T100, 900cc, value £9500, insured for £500 by the RAC. No convictions, no points on license, everything clean, bike kept in a lock-up on private property in a little village on the coast in North-East England. 25 years of car driving experience. Annual mileage estimated: 8000.
Hope this helps!
I wish there were more reviews from an experienced riders POV. I have 31 years of road and racing and am looking at these for a less aggressive track bike I'm my old age. Be good to see a different POV
just a slight correction.. The Honda engine is 471cc and the kawasaki is 451cc..
The Honda engine is square and very frugal... It can almost be described as a sportstourer with the low grunty engine and large gasoline tank..
But the honda is heavy...
My money would be on the kawasaki... not sure If I trust the chineese bike yet and a bit to early to judge the quality of the Aprilia yet.. But the Aprilia is really the closest to a bigger sportsbike,, It has exactly the 47.6hp liimit om the crank with the 175kg wet weight limit..
Yes, the review we've all wanted! Aprilia and Honda tie for best looks, but Aprilia takes the victory for more fun. Seems like the Ninja still holds the title for best in the class, even if it may have better competition for little track bikes now.
Having been an owner of the two gens of Yamaha R3 I am a little bit sad they are not updating that model to keep up with the new breed of A2/low CC sportbikes.
between Kawasaki and Honda, which bike more accommodating for a taller rider ?
I have a 2023 CBR500R and a 2024 Ninja 500 (5 bikes in total), I would have to say the CBR is definitely a much better riding bike, it has better tires (Michelin Road 5 vs. Dunlop Sportmax), better brakes (2 brake rotor vs. 1), a lot better front suspension and the overall feel of the CBR is better....to me the Ninja rides and feels like a cheap economy bike. Furthermore when riding the Ninja on the highway you get blown around with even the slightest wind. However the Nina is a lighter bike and is much more flickable.
In Australia Honda is in trouble. I'm not sure if emissions laws or different recalls
Cfmoto is advertising their bike at £5699. Not sure where you got the £6500 figure…
Wow that's expensive. In Australia it's £4000 ride away 😮
The problem on the Cf you had with the abs it's because of the tyres. With a good ones won't happened.
And for the Rs457 to my understanding it is not even an Aprilia it's a Bajaj. Looks good But who knows the reliability. Good one cheers!
You guys have to do something about the porn bots
Tested on track but no real mention of suspension adjustability or OEM QS/Blips?
I must be the only one that likes the looks of the RC390.
Aprilia is just stunning 🤟❤❤❤
Definitely my choice above others
I went ninja 40th anniversary 500. Kawasaki Honda Husqvarna dealership 3mins away. Other dealers are at least 45min and Aprilia i don't know where one is near me? Wasn't a hard choice with 2years unlimited km warranty
i am not sure if it was this chanel in that video they also got that wrong about tyres,.
Aprilia tyres are from TVS from india ,Could have researched well.
I think the 450 sr makes 50ish HP in some countries so maybe it's the same engine package but the TC limits the power to 45
In America, Hayabusa is Japanese for beginner bike
And on Day Two, the swingarm gets extended and nitrous bottle added. :)
And on day three, they'll be blaming the cars pulling in front of them when they were going 130 mph!
😂
Tyres are not Chinese on Aprilia atleast check your facts before posting.
video coros is off?or ktm is yello now?
Before I watch, let me guess Honda is last?
It's hella expensive and not that powerful on paper too.
@@titancodm1098 it's an ongoing joke.
Sad to see CFMoto having issues with Electronics. It's an amazing bike and if it didn't have that issue it would have had some chance against these bikes. But yeah hopefully CFMoto resolves this issue.
I’ve had my 450ss for a year here in the states, never any electronic issues cutting in anywhere. Full throttle or not 🤷♂️
Its Chinese bike 😂
Japanese is still the best selling motorcycle in the world.
Cfmoto prices in asia are really great compared to you guys. Because for the price it gives i think its pretty nice. It maybe chinese manufactured but cfmoto has one of the biggest facilities in asia, i can really see some parts and assembly happen of other bike companies. Really a great option to pick
As a motorcycle enthusiast It feels very joyful that 2 of these quality machines are made in india.
That means that they are unreliable
@@jonboy87 like boeing made in US
Designed in italy * assembled in india* since theyre cheap
@@nemesiszz bro 😂 😂
@@jonboy87like ford, chevy, Cadillac, Pontiac and harley Davidson
These numbers all seem a little off. I had a 2018 Ninja 400 and hit a GPS verified top speed of 118. You'd think a little more power should put this one in the 120ish range.
You guys get ripped off over the in GB with motorcycles. In Australia at current exchange rates, you can get the KTM RC390 for around £4200 OTD, CFMOTO 450SR-S for £4800 OTD, Ninja 500 for £4900 OTD, CBR500R for £5700 OTD, Aprilia 457 for £6500 OTD.
How do these restrictions in Europe work in the states a 16 yr old can have a liter bike
I got a ZX4rr restricted and thinking of getting my full this year to put it back on it's rightful power. traded from my Ninja 650. Lots of love to Bournemouth Kawasaki for getting me on the ZX4RR
Is it possible to restrict the ZX4rr?
stop lying. kawasaki does not offer a A2 restriction kit for the ZX4
@@TheRealBhuadoYes it does lol. In the Uk the dealer will 100% restrict your bike to A2 if you want
@@TheRealBhuado
got mine from Bournemouth Kawasaki(Best Dealership IHO) they had to send my ECU off to MSS Performance.
dont believe me? google "Colchester Kawasaki A2 ZX4RR"
@@emilior3164 yea it needs to be Tuned as its a ride by wire system so the electronics gets remapped for A2 MSS Performance does it in the UK.
Bournemouth Kawasaki call them up they're amazing they got it done for me.
The ninja is actually 451cc??
Regardless great review ❤
Kwacker is a close second I think !
Compré la 2024 Kawasaki ninja 🥷 negra y roja . Mi primer moto 🏍️ ❤
Rs457 and 450sr for me. Change those tyres on that rs and turn off the electronic on the sr and they're both gonna be the best bikes in its class. Honda and kawa? Too much to do just to make em a proper sportbikes. Ktm is good too but that single cylinder really a turn down.
What happened to the ZX4r?
Not a2
@@domsbits3922 Exactly, although I think you can get it chipped down for A2. That being said, if they were to test all the bikes that have an A2 option, this video would be two hours long. Even the new Daytona 660 has an A2 option I believe.
Great video, but please fix the camera settings/editing! The colors are really off - the orange KTM looks yellow, the red lines look orange. It makes otherwise brilliant paint jobs look bland and unappealing. It's not just this video but others as well
Aprilia has Indian tyers (TVS) not Chinese
What tires would you put on the aprilia?
I hope Piaggio puts that 457 engine in other bikes. Maybe an adventure or naked or retro roadster.
hoping for tuono 457
I didnt consider that point with restricted bikes.. Having the weight but removing the power. It's like doing half a job isn't it
Honestly everyone should keep their 300 cc bikes. Allowing for. 300cc, 500cc, 650/700/800cc, and 1,000cc classes. And do as that want with with that
The Honda looks like a poster biker 😍
I wish you had have done the 450sr as well for a comparison. No traction control
Y’all need to show a proper drag race that would much engaging for the viewers
Not many people are buying these bikes to drag race lol
@@Bikesandbikesandbikes For entertainment purposes
I love the ktm because it’s the most sporty entry level sport bike but I’m really not a fan of the single cylinder engine
Looks like the Honda and Kawasaki engine displacements were swapped in the graphic at 2:18