KALVIN PHILLIPS ON LOAN TO LEEDS?
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i agree, i got a lot of stick when i used to say Kalvin was inconsistent and overrated. When he was in the championship before the bielsa era, he was mediocre, he was on level with alex mowatt. Bielsa came in and improved him, found a role for him, that anchor man position where he is in front of the defense, winning duels, spraying balls out on the wing etc and it made KP the player he is today, then the first PL season he was quality at points, but also poor at other points then adding the injuries, his second PL season was absolutely dreadful... injured constantly and poor when he did play, we offloaded him at the right time and definitely got in two long term central midfielders who are arguably better. Tyler adams is like 3rd in Europe for tackles per game and interceptions per game and Roca is like top 10 in key passes and forward passes.
I was one who said the same thing too I agree with everything you say
Absolutely no way. Let's move on - he has (and rightly so - I'm not knocking him for moving) but we need to move forward with this new style of playing.
I totally agree about Philips. Add the fact that he lately has been injured also speaks against him returning. We are better off with Adams & Rocha. I did not think I would say that either.
Agreed on all of that. We have moved on and.improved on kalvin.
Connor can't believe you are even discussing a Gabby Agbonlohor comment. Villa would love him right now. Gabby is doing his own club a disservice
agree about KP. If City are in a benevolent mood, maybe see if we can borrow Haaland for a few games
Yes we follow players, but I am developing an affection for the history and people of the club. Excited to be a part of what you are all building there. Hope to come and visit and enjoy a game with my new Leeds friends.
Calvin Phillips has moved on. I dont think that suggestion is a good idea.The Roca/Adams partnership is working well. We do need a backup for them in case of injury, suspension etc but bringing old players back is rarely a good idea. The team has moved on now. We have also got some up and coming young players such as Darko who will be ready in the next 12 months to step in. A striker, a left back and another central midfielder if possible and we are good to go for the rest of the season.
What about Kalvin Phillips would he be in for a shout
@@lufcEngland7 no phillips made his choice go to city I personally would t take him back on loan injury prone I’d rather sign a different mid
At least Spell his name right before you give an opinion
@@johnhughes2704 true 😅
But seriously, we don’t want Kalvin Philips, he’s been found out and we made a killing. Best leave him well alone, he made his choice and he chose City.
Dont think he fitted into Jesse's system last season when he came back from injury. He was at his best playing as a single pivot under Bielsa in the 4-1-4-1 formation but for me no I think were more balanced with Roca and Adams there. so its a nonsense hes gone weve moved on.
Leeds want players that play not out injured all the time. As he gets older because of all his injuries he wouldn't be up to the hustle and bustle of the premiership no thanks. Hes allso a city player now so why are you talking about him talk about the players that are at leeds now that's what I want to hear. He wanted out so good riddance.
As much as I enjoyed Phillips at Leeds we no longer need him. We've all moved on
Gnonto ans Summerville were electrifying tonight, oh yes and Bam bam hatrick, these kids are special
get them on the bench at least, Darko is a beast, total bargain
I like Kalvin because I am a Leeds lad but he isn't good enough to play for Man City or England, He needs to enjoy his wages and take a loan next season, but not to Leeds Utd, great channel I like the content
The balanced decision for me is that Calvin remains at City for all the personal reasons he left us in the first place. He wanted to fight for a first team start at City to be exposed to football at the highest level. From his perspective, to come back to Leeds would only delay that possibility. He’s also advancing in years, and cannot afford a step ‘back’ to try to move forward. From Leeds perspective, it’s a system related ‘NO’. Aaranson and Rocca are blending well into Marsh’s way of playing, and will remain the top 2 in our midfield. Darko, for me, is good enough to be in our first team squad as cover to these 2. Indeed, he may even eventually play his way into starting. I believe that’s a real possibility. To conclude then… Calvin has given, and been of, service. Our way forward is now without him.
I’m following Leeds above all other clubs now. Every week. You have us very interested over here 🇺🇸. Go Leeds United States!
Lets just sum up Tyler Adams in one word, Menace. this man is a nightmare for opponents.
So many fans have short memories. Last season we couldn't win without him and the best thing to come out of Leeds.. He goes to City and suddenly he's a villain, dead wood, a shadow. No.. KP would get back into our squad in a heartbeat.
i Agree KP is better than anything we have when fit and at it
I just think we need to move on. Have KP to strengthen the squad? Yes. Is he better than either player we currently have? Most likely yes , but does he suit the system we currently play ? Not necessarily
Yeah but where does he fit into the system now?.I don't think there's much hate against him but everyone moved on..it's the new set up which is the evolution of the side now.
@@Mr.P001 you mean playing in a 2 man defensive pivot and spraying passes up field KP can deffo play that system . look at him and Rice for England
Lee Waters he’d probably get injured phillips did well for us this isn’t a bitter comment but why go back for him he chose to move on which is fine would make no sense bringing an injury prone player back who is also on 150k a week now who’s paying his wages if we brought him back? We couldn’t afford to sign players so doubt we can afford phillips back on loan and for me wouldn’t make any sense to anyway for the above reasons
I think if you or myself or any other person who loves leeds would have done the same thing as JM did.. but we are Leeds & we have to put up with it.. but lets move on now & support our manager 100%.. & on the thing of KP we must never go backwards.. MOT
Right, Connor, we American fans tend to follow players rather than clubs, though Leeds is the exception. I think it is critical for the future of American managers in top leagues that Jesse and Leeds do well. I think the short, arguably disastrous stint of Bob Bradley at Swansea really set things back , though other factors were at play, besides Bradley, who has been a successful national team manager and in MLS. That said, I'll watch Chelsea typically with not a bunch of rooting interest, but rather to see how Pulisic will do, and how he will be handled or mishandled as the case may be. Or Fulham with Robinson, and to a lesser extent, Ream who probably won't be going to the WC for the States. FYI, do not be surprised if Aaronson comes off for the bench in Qatar, given our very crowded set of attacking players in midfield, particularly Yunus Musah at Valencia who can be absolutely spectacular at times. Adams in contrast is likely to play 90 every game.
KP was a great servant for LUFC. He left on a ‘promotion’ and we all wish him well. However, if he came on loan, who would he replace? We have a new system which needs to develop and KP shouldn’t be a part of that.
Correct. In fact as much as I value Kalvin’s contribution over the last couple of years, I think it would be a huge backward step to try to disturb our new defensive midfield partnership and incorporate him back into the team. A complete non starter for me.
This is a lesson to youngers think first before u leave better staying at kalvin as now ruined his career
He may not care Kalvin isn’t stupid he moved for titles and money simple as that he’s knew he wouldn’t be playing week in week out everyone with a brain new that. He’ll be a rotation player for the squad as they go deep in every tournament he’ll get games just won’t be week in week out and majority could well be off the bench
Yes, he's totally ruined it. Oh wait, I hear he's in the market for a wheelbarrow to cart his wages home. You getting paid 150K a week, are you?
If I was Kalvin I would be thinking, why come to Leeds on loan when I can sit around the Etihad in luxury and do nothing for the same wages? That's probably why my football career never took off.
English mentality sit around and let others do the donkey work. So they can pick up the rewards. Philips is like that allso.
phillips coming back doesn't mean he replaces someone, the squad needs a few more "1st team" players. he's good enough to fit into the recent style.
No bleeding thanks. Go and support city if you like Philips that much don't want him back at leeds.
It's like breaking up with an ex and then wanting to get back together with them again a few months later. He's moved on, the team should too.
I think Jesse will calm down now that he's being made into a target. It's very frustrating that the officials can perform so poorly at their job and anybody who challenges it gets fined and/or suspended.
Forbes measure the likes of potential, one city club and US market are massive in terms of potential revenue streams. And kalvin can keep his blood money.
Why on earth are we still talking about Kalvin? Move on ffs
Who’s paying his wages ? Makes no sense for City to loan him out if they’re still paying his big wages.
STOP TALKING ABOUT A MAN CITY FLOP. talk about the new players at leeds.
With having darko gyabi in oven slow cooking I think the futures bright when it comes to our midfield... if kalvins comes back it's 3 or 4 years away when he's out of favour at city and we NEED a midfielder seems unlikely but it would have to suit all parties
Wouldn’t bring phillips back now and ever he’s injury prone don’t go back to old players never works
Thanks to pep for doing leeds a favour and taking Philips off leeds hands.
Honestly don't want Kalvin back.. happy with Adams and Roca
TBH I tend to completely ignore whatever Gabby says...
KP will be a benchwarmer at City. He has yet to start a match. Even if he did come back on a loan he will have a hard time getting starts with the signings we have got. The problem is that Leeds have yet to get a striker.
Kalvin is injured. He will get his chances when fit again. City play alot of matches across the season.
Haha you wish. Little villagers. New documentary about Fatih Terim on Netflix. You should get eyes on. Pure passion. Brilliant.
Kp will expect to play. It would be nice to have some quality back up but it might upset the bedding in/cohesion regarding what Marsch my be trying to build.
Hell will freeze over first..no chance
We dont need him. We are lucky to get big money for him. He worth half..I never understood why City bought him
Because he's a brilliant player and you are clueless? Just a guess.
That's the trouble with the top clubs. they buy players that are never going to be regular first team members. if the players were honest with themselves they would know they will not be playing and that will affect there international prospects
We don’t need Kalvin Phillips, we need a centerback and left back
Every half decent player you have ever had moves on to bigger things. Accept reality.
I've been of the same opinion as you Connor after seeing how Rocca and Adams have worked out so well. Ask me this question at the start of the season I'd say yes, let's get him in on loan.
I don't think he'd get into the side regularly now, he'd be a squad player, and he's obviously not up for that.
I can't believe how many opinions on here suggesting Phillips wouldn't make us a better team. England player of the year and the best player we've had for years on end. He'd walk back in the team if he chose to come back.
He couldn't walk when he was here injured all the time. Besides he wanted out so let him stew on the bench at city. He not a leeds player anymore. SO STOP BLEEDING TALKING ABOUT HIM. Talk about the players that are at leeds not about man city players.😡
As a CDM no, maybe if he plays a role similar to his England position where he is more forward minded, he might be able to run as a 10, spreading the ball about. We know he will track back, isn't afraid to put a tackle in, he's good at retrieving the ball. Running as a 10 would release Aaronson to run more without being pulled out of position. I would be happy to see LLorente dropped, and JM adopt a 3 at the back. with 2 CDMs I think 3 defenders of Koch, Cooper and Striuk would be effective. Harrison as a wingback, Rasmus on the right, Aaronson free in the middle, with Bamford up top (if fit).
It wouldn't happen though
It wouldn't happen because it would be absolutely terrible. I get that you're seeing a problem that you think we need to solve and you're right, that problem is real. But this is not the solution.
I mean, you literally have 9 outfield players for starters, no genuine width and only Aaronson to play in the middle of the pitch. He'd be overrun with basically no one to pass to.
The way you could fix the problem you are identifying is simply to play Adams as a DM and push Roca forward into central midfield. He's not very good as a holding midfielder but he can pass, so he'd probably do better receiving the ball a bit higher up the pitch. Play him alongside Aaronson or Gyabi and we'd turn our dominance of the ball into some actual chances instead of looking like we have no idea what to do with it.
Hes a Bramley/Armley Lad. He will want to prove the doubters Wrong NOT Right!
I saw KP come on for 15 mins against Sevilla in the champions league, he looked back to his fantastic self again, some of the passes he was making were on another level to what rodri could make. I just can’t see him getting into the squad when rodri is their even if he proves himself to pep. Sad to say it but I think he was bought as a back up which is crazy to say but it’s what city can do I guess for 42 million?
I hope Kalvin goes on to have a great career at city, but agree he wouldn't be suitable for us anymore. Never thought i'd say that, but it shows the progression of Leeds over the last few months. The present is still a bit rocky, but the future is bright !
Definitely not. We can't move backwards
If we wanted to play with a single pivot and put another forward up front, then yes. However you usually go on loan to start not sit on the bench and he wouldn't start in front of Roca or Adams.
He's miles better than either. When did it become fashionable to shit on Kalvin? He's a briliant player and although there's obviously no chance City would loan him to us, if they did, we should snap him up and Roca can get on the bench where he belongs.
Football is a game of opinions and that’s why I love it. But to suggest KP wouldn’t get into this Leeds side is absolutely crazy😂I was a massive fan and still am of KP but if he were to ever leave city in the near future he’s not coming back to us as they’re are far more clubs with more cash than us. He made his decision to leave and move on and so do we👍🏻
For what it’s worth. I’m American and have been following Leeds as a fan since 2012! It does bother me when I see what we call bandwagon fans jumping on the Leeds train. Because the reality if Leeds went down (HOPEFULLY NOT!) you would see all the American fans drop away. It’s just like fans of the NFL here in the states. So it kind of bothers me haha I ran into a guy wearing Leeds gear in a coffee shop here in TEXAS, and I started quizzing him on names of players and he couldn’t even name more than 3-4 players, two of the names he mentioned were Raphinha and Kalvin who were already gone haha
KP would only strengthen our side he would adapt to a new system and role if the loan offer came up we would be silly to refuse....MOT
He’s injury prone why loan a player that has a high chance of missing games makes no sense at all.
@@jamielowe463 it's a extra body increases squad depth and is a proven player it would be far more beneficial the not to sign him plus he is a Leeds lad and will give his all .
I agree with you but Kalvin can play in double pivot as per England alongside Declan Rice. You previously mentioned having competition for places and cover. He would provide that for sure.
It would be opportunistic and expedient for him to return. He made his choice. Let him effing rot if he has to. Hate players who hop around like a rabbit.
Totally right mate, KP does not get into this team. We are better without him.
No way?!!! I'm dead!!! Too ironic and funny
Would be a great player to have, would improve the squad.
Wouldn’t help us long term as he wouldn’t be coming back permanently and would take minutes from players who are more the future of Leeds.
He woudlnt tho woudlnt do much for us woudlnt work well in the formation or tactics very overrated by leeds fans underrated by other clubs
@@dommcguinness1012 I struggle a little with this notion a little, KP did the DMC alone in a single pivot system, did the tackling and intercepting as well as doing the passing and moving the ball forward.
Are we saying that he could do the Roca half of the two jobs with Adams next to him, or do Adams job with Roca in the team.
I get what people say about him not seeming to fit last season, but Ad-Roc and specialists and KP have s quality enough to work with either.
@@shauntong1193 agreed if phillips can’t fit this system he’s massively over rated people really over complicate when they talk of systems and so on reality is any good footballer and specially top players like some say phillips can fit and play in generally any system
I can’t actually believe you are giving the rubbish that comes out of Agbonlabore’s mouth air time to be honest. He has no idea about football for someone who has actually played at the top level.
No I don’t want him to load back to Leeds
100% behind Jesse, the decisions were abysmal, I want my manager to be sent off in that manner. but I want accountability too which is ignored by the FA.
We don't want him back, let's develop our new midfield 👍
Not sure why people burn phiilips for leaving he spent 10 years at our club just be happy for the lad
Kalvin left leeds cos he wanted to play in the champions league, his wish came true,he came on as a sub in the 92 min against Dortmund. U will have a great CV with titles n medals but how much game time outside the carabao cup will u actually play to earn that. The grass ain't always greener
It was the right time for Phillips to move on and for leeds to let go he played his part in bringing us back into the biggest league in the world and I have Massive respect and love for him but we don't need him in this exciting midfield we have now I sincerely hope he does well at City though he deserves to be a premier league champion and im sure come the end of this season he will be
If he doesn't fit the current system/mould, then no matter who it is NO ! Those who gave KP a hard time when he left, then they are idiots. He gave his heart & sol to Leeds Utd. KP paid his dues, he's a home grown lad. So give him that respect..
Suffice to say we won that transfer also the pundits should stop saying we lost our best player in Phillips. He's not even playing much at City. Raphinha was the biggest loss and I'd say Sinistera long term will be a great replacement
Nevermind the football. The loiners are in the grand final again
Many players wont be attracted to "We are stepping stone" they will see it as a waste of time, like Gakpo who will wait and go to a CL club. Its a BS strategy and will lower moral of the squad when you publicly admit you have no ambition
So we got Sinisterra, Gnonto and Roca because they want to stay with us? They're here because we're a stepping stone. Couple of years in prem to get noticed and then move on to bigger things Raph did it and to a certain extent KP did it. We aren't a team that young brilliant talents look at and say "you know what I'm going to Leeds united and I'm going to stay there till I retire" lol. One of the reasons we have Kristensen, Adams and Aaronson is because of JM or they probably wouldn't have come.
Sinisterra will be the next big sale don’t worry about that pretty sure he has a release clause in his deal and it’s well known orta is telling people like sinisterra and raphina come player for us develop and you’ll get a big move it harldy fill you with enthusiasm knowing we will sell our best players every season or 2
On gakpo I can’t wait to see us say oh we tried to get him in Jan but couldn’t they need to get realistic targets like of gakpo n cdk we’re never going to come to us and the club use excuses like we’ll if we can’t get them and re sell them we won’t bring anyone else in it’s a joke
@@jamielowe463 until we either get Billionaire owners we can't really do much about it. I'd hate to see some of the new lads go but we just can't keep buying players without letting the more expensive players go.
@@jamielowe463 we ain't getting Gakpo, if he has a decent WC he'll be 50+mill and Radz won't want to spend anywhere neat that.
When you appear on American channels, can you post the links?
Get Kalvin in as Left back ,
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ppl crit you for grumpy meaningless clickbait to grow your business, but you called it right saying philips must not go, while adams roca and aaronson were bang average and bad signings. great work, soldier.
Kalvin is a hero in leeds but he's injury prone. Why would we want him back?
Cannot believe that peeps think that Kalvin was over rated. We consistently got better results when he played. This is true over several seasons. I do think that his replacements are as good in many ways.
I'd like to hear these people explain just exactly why we were so good with him and so bad when he was injured. It's like the big standout change between the past two seasons! His replacements are nothing like as good. People just repeat each other's hype. Roca in particular just hasn't been any good and Adams really only matches Kalvin's tackling. His positioning is suspect and his passing really basic.
The year is 2269 and Jesse Marsch is still suspended after the Brentford game
No no no no no! I respect him but no no no no no .
Bit too red that top 🤣
Maybe we could bring Calvin in at Left back 👀🤷🏼♂️
Will the Southampton u21 match be on the app ?
I live abroad how can I watch it also? Used to be on FB.
KP can't do what Adams does. So it comes down to if he can place MR or back them up
Roca is wank! Really bad player! No pace no strength no football iq! Premier league is way to much for him! Same as christensen who can't pass a ball! 2 bad signings who are championship level at best!
@@cattyandcolliecross5184 I actually agree with you. My eyeballs create a good test
Taking anything that Agbonlahor says and giving it any attention is wasting everyone’s time. He’s a complete “sound byte” pundit and just says what will get him any attention
How was Kelvin at left back or a number 9 😂
history shows Part 2s don't tend to work. New era now,
Unless he wants to play CB.
MATE- Lloriente was crap that night, but we were two goals down at Brentford before his howlers. Sinistera tackle and Toni worldy. I mean not forgiving Lloriente for his mistakes but we need to stick to the facts. It's being 2 nil down that made us skittish and brought out the mad Lloriente ( which isn't ideal) but we weren't 2 goals down because of Lloriente.
It's always the way. The word is that it's all Llorente's fault and here's Conor repeating that. Well, it must be the defence because everyone says our midfield is brilliant. The fact we had the ball about 70% of the time and created very little just means, erm, Llorente was crap. The fact they walked through our midfield without too much stress just means, erm, Llorente was crap.
@@ardentspy and obviously means Super Cooper must come back. It's ridiculous. As you say Lloriente and the back line are always exposed by mistakes up the field. I mean Cooper got done because of the same problem in the U21s game. There's a lack of calm and intelligence in the midfield that means players don't trust each other.
@@Dir3ctH3X yeah I love Coops but I feel like he’s going to get exposed just the same
@@ardentspy People just need to get used to giving away goals and hope we score more. Both the Marsch system and the Bielsa ball system take good enough players and make up for the quality in system terms. When you figure out the system the players that aren't up to scratch get exposed. It's just going to be the way it is until we stabilise with better players in every position. If we dropped the team back by a meter or so might help, but then you don't get that rapid vertical transition as easily. So it is what it is.
@@Dir3ctH3X I don’t feel we pose enough goal threat to worry about how quickly we transition. We are also not very quick from defence forward. There’s often no good outlet for a longer pass - I think becsuse were too narrow further forward. I’d like us to play Roca a bit more advanced. It suits his range. With Adams in deep we’d be able to cover the defence and allow more width becsuse the two AMs could play wider. Check out Newcastle. Not thriving atm but the shape is good and would suit us.
I love adams and Roca but Phillips is better. He can do both their jobs to a great standard. That’s why city bought him. Leeds benefitted cos we can’t afford to bring in a class player alongside Phillips. If we could have kept him and brought in another class player say an 8. We would have a better midfield. Phillips hasn’t played much for city but he’s done ok even in the 3 mins he’s shown. He’s competing at the top level with Rodri who is absolutely unreal
Yep. All this bullshit about how he's rubbish because he didn't insta displace Rodri, who is probably the best DM in the world. Pep nearly always puts new signings on the bench to begin with and gradually brings them into the side. And he's a far better judge of a player than Conor tbf.
Can you Bielsa getting a game ban we want a manager to set a good example for our players. Not a bad one
We have a great midfield pairing with Roca and Adams, we need a back up for them, not a player that will replace one of them and disrupt the system. Not to mention Kalvin has been bad in a Jesse system, he doesn’t suit it like he did the Bielsa system.
I don't see why Kalvin would return, even sitting on the beach and limited game time will give him a premier League medal once city win the league and potentially the CL. If Leeds could take him on loan I would as competition for Adams is good and if Adams gets injured we've no backup but Kalvin struggled under the Jessie system so doubt he would even start
NO JUST NO !!!!!!!
Kalvin, is a Leeds lad… he’s moved on to another team so this is nonsense tbh, good luck to Kalvin but why the hell (a) would he want to come back and (b) where would he fit in 🤦♂️
Phillips could play left back 🤔
No to Philip's, we have moved on. He initiated the move for silverware..silverware doesn't seem the same when you're not taking part. They might as well put me on the bench. He's going to be another Jack Rodwell, he can come back in 4-5 years.
Agreed with all that apart from the coming back in 4-5 years I’d rather not have an injury prone old Kalvin just for a nice reunion he made his choice why go back for someone who wanted to leave the club
Where's he going to play?
Kalvin doesnt fit the system. Roca and adams doing well, gyabi looks like he will push for a place longer term. Wouldnt want him back in this system.
I don’t want phillips back but if he doesn’t fit this system he’s clearly not as good as some thought he was it’s not rocket science playing in a 2 years instead of a single pivot if he can’t adapt to new systems definitely isn’t as good as some say fact is good top players can generally play in any system
@@jamielowe463 Well, one of two things is true then, isn't it? Either Andy D is not a very good analyst of football or Kalvin is not a very good footballer. I wonder which one is the true statement, hey?
In fact, the system is not magic. It's already been found out by at least three sides this season -- Everton simply played on the break, Brighton easily broke the press and Brentford strolled through our "doing well" DMs as though they weren't there. Southampton walked through our midfield once they had the right personnel on the pitch and Wolves outplayed us for long periods and were honestly unlucky.
It was abandoned by Southampton, who looked terrible the second half of last season, and by RB Leipzig, who struggled when they were coached by Marsch and abandoned the Red Bull style for something a bit more constructive. It didn't work at Scum either.
If Wolves had grabbed a goal early, I think the talk would be a lot different tbh.
He wont go on loan to us this season, he,s there incase rodry gets injured n to sumrimes rest rodry, his face says it all, n wouldnt his loan fee be expensive, aye of only way he,ll get serious game time is if rodry gets injured, like wot teams used to do more bak in the day
NO NO NO NO ITS NOT EVEN A RUMOUR STOP THE CLICK BAIT ITS JUST AGBONLAHOR SHOOTING HIS MOUTH...STOP IT PLEASE. On another note, thank for pronouncing Gnonto nd Gyabi correctly, finally. And Sinny to Milan is just more Italian clickbait speculation from one journo...more BS!
Only just started video and read a few comments, but really, folk would start Roca over the Yorkshire Pirlo? Really? What have folks been smoking?
So kalvin could come back to Leeds?
Kalvin decided to move on and Play bigtime UCL. Now He is a bigtime Bench warmer.
Even If He does come Back where would He be positioned? He Done us proud But He doesn't fit in anymore
Simple No. Leave him at city
He’s injured so no!!!
No ta, hes moved on,! Weve moved!!
If he’s not good enough for city tough shit, I don’t want him back we’ve moved on and don’t need him.
As much as I’d love to see kavlin back in Leeds shirts but he wouldn’t work in this system so I just don’t see the point in it