Speed Is Your Friend | F-4E Phantom Vs Mig-21 Fishbed DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |
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Damn,you're really good! Respect!!
If she rocks that means you are braking the flow on the wings. Also you should be in take off flaps at this point and keeping 700kph at least . If take off flaps and proper speed you will outturn him with ease ! When you build up speed over 900kph you can deploy landing flaps ans they will not come down until you drop speed below 600kph , than they deploy automatically and you retain lift and nose authority at low speeds . Great vid :)
I am waiting for same duel but with MiG-19, for me much more challenging opponent. Thx
I think swapping planes with your opponent like that is a great idea. I think it's pretty cool seeing the same plane being used differently.
Should really do it every video to better show of the vehicles instead of player skill
Thank you for the red circle identifying the other plane ... with YT compression we often have no idea where it is.
In bicycle racing the saying is "Train your weaknesses, race your strengths." If you're a good sprinter but a poor climber, you need to train in the hills enough to be able to stay with the pack so you have a chance to win the sprint at the end; what you don't do is try to beat the strong climbers when you know that isn't your strength. Same with fighters.
Tbf this late vietnam F-4 is at least slightly better in almost any situation compared to the Mig-21. The instantaneous turn rate and slow speed controllability of the Phantom is surprisingly good, thanks to slats/soft wings/stability augmentation.
Tho training and pilot skill are much more important factors in a fight between those two planes.
If you've never read it, Arab MiG-19 & MiG-21 Units in Combat by Osprey Publications makes for some fascinating reading. The Pakistanis apparently taught the Syrians and Egyptians how to best maneuver the MiG-21 at low speed, things the Soviets did not train the foreign pilots in. In fact, Pakistan requested that the Egyptians not share the information with the Soviets for fear that they would pass it on to their enemy, India!
I somehow doubt the Soviets didn't know about the capabilities of the fished, only because the guys at Airbase 1521 probably figured it out first but didn't think it was important to share
The Pakistani Air Force had Polish ww2 experienced pilots during their creation as advisors, so i wouldn't put it past them.
Can't say about Pakistan training middle East country on mig 21 but Indian mig 21 pilot were in tikrit Iraq from 1958 to 89 for fighter transport heli operation training to Iraqi even Indian fsl & fcl were instructors even Egyptian were trained during that time. P.s in 60's helwan 300 project between Egypt India till 70's
Also it is wild to consider Pakistanis providing training on a platform that they never owned / saw the inside of the cockpit of. The reverse may be true where Pakistanis may have tried to gain some insights on the Mig 21 used by India by working with the Syrians. And yes India did help Syria in some capacity as mentioned above
@@tanmayhaldar7565 pakistan acquired some Chinese F/J - 7 which is based on the first generation of Mig 21 9-13 I guess and that airframe is very different from other mig 21 variants
Viggen vs Phantom hasn't been done. Could be a decent battle of compressor stalls.
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The F4 will win. Viggen is just not good enough.
@@silverbullet836 To get shotdown.
@@peterp4037the viggen would smack the phantom
@@PickledPear1017literally every viggen I've ever fought on Enigmas has driven itself into the ground after the 1st or 2nd turn
"Stay Fast or Die" would be an awesome metal song title
I always hear Don Felder's "Heavy Metal" when I see an F-4
I’ve noticed that some modules compliment others and even make them better. The F-4E/Mig-21Bis is definitely an example of that. I have had so much fun making customized practice missions with these 2 learning the ins and outs of their rivalry. Even the Mig-19 is fun to go up against it.
If you go back and read about American a/c losses in Vietnam, it is eye opening. The press hammered on the surface to air missiles, but in fact, USAF and USNAVY lost more a/c to triple A, air to air and then surface to air missiles. The NVA maximized their GCI efforts because the "US did not want to risk killing Russian advisors." The NVA pilots (some of who were likely Russian) became well versed in popping up in the 6 oclock, tossing some missiles and breaking away... Very rare to have a serious head to head...
And the MiG-17s and MiG-19s KICKED OUR ASSES!
Neither the 17 nor the 19 is a peer to the Phantom. Poor training killed Phantom pilots, not the airplane.
@@DanBlake3rd poor training, poor tactics, and restrictive ROEs didn't help, but the fact of the matter is that the 17 and 19 more than held their own against the F-4, especially the early models without a gun. WTF were the brass thinking?
Are you referring to all American a/c losses in Vietnam? Or to American fixed-wing a/c losses only?
(The majority of American a/c losses in Vietnam were helicopters - 5,600 of them).
I appreciate you explaining what's happening and your thought process as well as the actual theory...because i have absolutely zero experience in any of this minus, "I watch people do it in a video game on CZcams" so being able to detail why pilots of specific aircraft do certain things is invaluable. Thank you ❤
Ok GS, I fixed it for you: “Stay fast, stay patient. Run out of gas”
I wanted to see a Fishbed bag a Phantom, was not disappointed. In my headcanon, this was over the skies of Vietnam, too!
No!
I think you do a really great job demonstrating these aircraft. Well researched too!
10:55 - I was nearly about to suggest you just throw those useless early Sidewinders at him, glad this one finally connected!
I have been following you since you started this channel. All the way from India.. knew this would go huge. I love alot about Fighter jets, i consider it a marvelous thing human have ever made, leaving apart what it was actually build for. But still it is amazing
have you done an F1 Mirage vs F4 yet? I'd like to see that matchup
proving yet again, it's more the pilot and less the machine! well done!
Great demonstration!!!!
Would be great if we could see your speed at times, like a little display of the number in the corner of the screen.
Thanks for the clarification against the Fishbed. I totally struggle against MiG-19 in the Phantom on Enigmas. A video on that fight would be nice
I think Robin Olds would have enjoyed playing DCS with you. Imagine that tactician in the F22!
Robin Olds said in "Dogfights" series that Mig21 was better fighter than F-4 and that F-4's only chance to win against Mig21 is to get him low and slow.
Great two circle demonstration. I'm starting to figure it out against the AI missions. I'm starting to beat them even when set to ACE, but it's not easy with missiles that don't track. It's a learning curve for sure. Great video, again.
Way to go GS! When that last fox 2 hit the speaker on my phone partially blew. Now the sound has a rattle to it.
deff let the air force know about the damages incurred on you because of their missile, I'm sure they will cut you a check.
One suggestion please for fights like these - a small speed/altitude read out in the screen corner would help visualize what you’re doing.
Thank you
Love your stuff. I would like to see a night engagement though, own the night, et al. :)
Another great GS video!
I like this, you should do this more often.👍
Can someone educate me on this if I am not informed well. I have always heard the F-4 never had a gun and had to equip gun pods on its wings because the ones who designed the F-4 assumed nobody would need a gun because they thought missiles would be used before anyone entered gun range. I have heard many say it was one of the biggest weaknesses of the Phantom II.
Some models, like the F4E here, did have an internal gun in the nose. The guests on the Fighter Pilot Podcast said that they actually much preferred the Phantoms without the gun because of the superior performance that not having a gun in the nose provided.
On earlier versions like the F-4C and some other variants(F-4J and F-4S come to mind) the Phantom did not carry an internal gun and needed a centerline gun pod. With the introduction of the F-4E, an internal gun was added. The philosophy you're referring to is correct, that is what they thought back then, and its kinda the same nowadays, as the F-35 doesn't carry an internal gun either(excluding the F-35A)
@@spitfire_7132 well at least today missiles are a LOT better than they were back then so maybe now its a viable thing to not have a gun on an F-35,never mind that plane not really being designed to be a dog fighter. But thank you,I know now. Appreciate it.
@@MaverickCulp I assume its because without the gun,its lighter and more maneuverable.
No, F-4D (no gun) and E/F(gun) have the same energy tables and turn capabilities (assuming Agile Eagle) the actual performance that was more important was from the Navy perspective. The J/S had VASTLY superior radar performance. But installation of the gun would have precluded that as it required a smaller antenna be fitted.
I like the GS is so good flying against most people is primarily just an instructional video :)
Thank you for these videos. Is it possible for you to show your control inputs during your fogfights?
"Speed is life"
-Viper from titanfall 2
Beautiful, beautiful vid. Excellent choice of aircraft. These kinds of planes are much more 'real', since they don't have the stealth features, super missiles, vectored thrust and superlative engine power of the newest planes, where are poorer pilot who is less well trained and experienced at energy management can still be competitive because of all the technology supporting him. Again, excellent choice of aircraft and excellent vid.
Yes, it's been a long time since I left messages, but wow, how good your videos are, my friend! I always watch it when I'm having dinner, haha!
Man, I'm really embarrassed, I don't know if it's just me, but I'm struggling to understand how to use the F4 in air-to-air. I can never lock the enemy without using boresight mode. If you could make a video tutorial for slow people like me, I would really appreciate it, haha!!
Nice talking to you again!
Nice to hear from you again brother, hope you've been well. Ya I'm leaning a lot myself in the F4 right now, mostly I'm focusing on dogfighting but ya when I get more into the "long" range stuff I can deff give some tips.
if you're trying to lock someone and you're in a BVR situation use jester. I believe "Jester Context Action" long, should tell him to lock the bandit in front of you, pressing the same bind short will cycle bandits.
if I recall correctly.
Another ace masterclass good show
It's the pilot, not the plane. hahaha
Flyin like Col Tomb!
Both of them are legend.
Man that’s cool. I wanted to see that fight from a Mig21 perspective. The circles sure got a lot smaller as fighter aircraft progressed over the years.
I wish there was a Vought F-8 Crusader for DCS. I’d love to see the dog fight between than and a F-4.
A perfect yin yang demonstration. Not only does a pilot have to know his aircraft, but All the other aircraft the pilot might engage with. Remember kids, Knowledge is Power.
How do you manage to keep a visual? How do you know where they are ? That is great to watch!
I would like to see a MiG-21 vs. F-104 dogfight video.
I’d love to see DCS come out with the F8 Crusader!!!!!
Dude, you make the mig-21 seem so fun. Every time I play the 21 I always have a horrible time, never can hit anything.
Great shootin’ make it look easy.
When in the Mig-21 in my opinion dont be afraid to traid away your speed and fight the F4 one circle. I have a video where i do this an in my opinion it works well. Thanks for the video GS you are the greatest!
Isn't the axiom: "Speed is Life!"?
Even in general aviation...yes!
And altitude is life insurance :)
Is he an actual pilot? Or a great gamer?
Yes
I’m just another idiot on CZcams
It's not the plane it's pailot. Gerat fight by you GS thanks ❤❤❤
have you thought about doing something like F4E vs something in a longer range fight? F4E vs F14A say. Iran doing some training exercises perhaps?
good kill! 5:17
Looks like a lot of Dutch roll in the MIG, does that thing have any yaw damper?
You're excellent in pilot skill. many times opponent lose with good fighter jet because of your skill not the plane you r flying....
Day 3 of asking for a modern Falklands scenario: Typhoons and Lightnings vs. Falcons.
Still waiting for GS to drop the BF3 F-18 mission “Going Hunting”
good fight.
With ACM skills..Please try a WWII P-38 Mission..:)
Love his commentary "THEORETICALLY the F4 would won on a 2 circle fight" however I would repeat Rooster quote "It's not the plane. It's the pilot (GS)."
We need the F-4 vs the F-16.. recreate the Iron Eagle 2 opening scene.. unless the Kfir is coming out soon?!
Good thing I am watching Top Gun Maverick right now
Boxing matches be like: F-86 vs MiG-15
Wrestling matches be like: F-4 vs MiG-21
Great video!
Pls do a video on the MiG 21 Bison pls :)
That was really cool. Is it possible to repeat the Iran vs. Iraq fight but this time with a F1 instead of a Mig-21?
The MIG-21 was always best used as an assassin. Get fast, sneak in, unload missiles and book it before they figure out what happened. A dogfight is definitely not where it likes to be.
Do you have any sluf videos?... A-7 Corsair
I didn't think Mig-21s could dogfight without spinning out of control lol
The mig looked like it is constantly trying to enter a stall or flatspin of some kind when you got on the ground in the first circle fight
Especially in that transition when you changed the direction of the circle wth was that about
Please fly The F-4 VS A-4 guns only Dogfight🙏👍
Open Track or Tobii better ?
F5 Tiger vs F4 Phantom.
Have you heard of anybody making a dcs setup with a mini pc?
I love it when GS switches up the fighters, I love to see both sides.
Phantom drivers would never turn with a MiG, preferring to take the fight to the vertical at every opportunity which plays precisely to the Phantom’s strengths. Those massive J-79 engines generating unparalleled thrust means one could out climb and out distance the opponent at will.
How did that r3s ignore flares?
1980's all-aspect AIM-9M's vs 1960's early rear-aspect R-3S...?
Mig19 vs f4 next!!!
Day 1of asking for Mig 21Fishbed vs P-51 mustang dogfight
hi from Iran and many thanks can you rebuild H3 operation?
How about AIM9 armed F-86 v Mig17?
I want to see a dog fight while playing hide and seek in the clouds.
Is that a back up camera?!
F-4 seems so stable, I feel it’s missing some of the wiggle the mig has
I've watched many of your sessions... always wondered why you don't pull the guy into the hud, keep the tone going while he dumps flares... and just wait till he has no more flares.... THEN send a fox-2? You might have to let one opportunity go by but if you are in a good position, the second opportunity will come quick and you save a missile for later use....!
during this era, aircraft don't carry too many flares and countermeasure resistance is so low that people generally don't preflare, they wait to see the missile trail before they flare.
another reason one shouldn't do that is because the longer you keep him in the HUD the more you create closure and aspect problems for yourself. GIving him a way to bring you in closer, and thereby force an overshoot.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Ah, ok. Makes sense... always wondered about that. Thanks!
@@rangerrick8220 my pleasure.
Man, the MiG looks so unstable in flight.
Please do f-4 Vs a-10!!!
When did the F4 get a gun I thought It only carried 4 AIM-9s and 4 AIM-7s for air to air combat.
Can we get a Mig-23 vs F-4 dogfight?
su-57 v jas39 bvr please.
Mig vs. Phantom, in which we learn (again 😂) that GS is a really good pilot no matter what bird he's flying 😂
Meanwhile I've been bouncing it off the AoA indicator, cockpit shaking, accelerated stalling all over the place just because a simple Mig 19 got on my tail. Pathetic. lol
Rafale vs J20
Whats the outro song for this?
Could you do I-16 vs SU-57?
1st round, F4. Learn fire control, damn.
Ah Yeah, Late Night Top Gun fix.
I've always liked the mig21.
Man, if only we had a proper MiG-23 model to give the F-4 a proper fight
Actually the mig-19 is a better opponent, the mig-23 might be even less maneuverable, but faster than the f-4
@@andresgarcia7757 My thoughts exactly though, the MiG-23 would be a different beast for the F-4 by virtue of the fact it will dominate the F-4 in the areas the F-4 would typically dominate other MiGs. If fought properly the F-4 would probably struggle in a Fox 2 fight because the 23 isn't going to stick around past one vertical loop and will carry enough speed to disengage and come back again. Not saying the MiG-23 would be able to easily kill an F-4 but it has the performance to deny the F-4 the kill as well. The Vertical is the MiG's greatest asset in this particular matchup
MiG-23 is generally accepted as the worst fighter plane in history so not sure if it could fairly compete with an F-4 but then everyone can get lucky.
They must have called the Mig 21 "fishbed" because it flops around like a fish out of water
Day 4 of F-4 VS. Viggen
Day 1for asking j20 Mighty Dragon vs the Yf-23