British SAS Desert DPM Windproof Smock - Military Surplus Preview
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Today we're looking at the British SAS Desert DPM Windproof Smock
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$39.95
These usually sale for $65 and up.
Not a common item within the USA.
Features:
Height: 170cm (up to 5'9")
Chest: 104 cm (41")
Special Forces / SAS / PARA / RM Issue
Windproof
Zip and Velcro Front Fastening
Codlweather Toggle Buttons
Attached Draw String Adustable Wired Hood - Buttons Back When Not in Use
Draw String Waist and Jacket Bottom
4 Front Bellow Cargo Pockets
Left Arm Sleeve Pocket Complete With Union Jack Flag
Reinforced Lower Arm
Velcro Adjustable Cuffs
The Smock Itself.
It's a treated close weave cotton smock with full length double ended very tough two way nylon zip, it has a rolled up hood secured by a cord loop over a button. The zip is covered by a windproof flap secured by Velcro tabs
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IMHO - these are the best issued outer layer in the world for comfort and practicality. Comment below about Bravo 2 O freezing in these.... Interestingly they didn't wear this issue smock - they wore the famous WW2 SAS smock, single colour over the head smock - it had become a fashion icon for British special forces..... may have been a bad choice. With some treatment you can get these pretty waterproof. I live in Australia and they're good for temperatures with big variations. Where i live we can start a day at 3 degrees celcius and hit midday at 35 celcius.... so with a thermal layer under it you can de-layer without all the bulk of down jackets or thicker shells. I've worn and old one cross country skiing with a pair of Dutch issue Goretex pants - it was great as i didn't overheat with exertion but it cut the wind. FWIW - this is not an SAS smock. It's the standard issue desert DPM windproof. It's often confused with the smock the SAS uses because it's made by SASS - a company. This one was issued to a Royal Engineer. The actual SAS smock has no rank slide on the front and a few other differences. Smock nerds will compare this unfavourably to older issue Gaberdine smocks - they're right in some ways. But this is excellent kit! - and soon to become a piece of history with MTP now taking over. Your reviews are very clear and helpful, no BS. Thankyou. And PS - these are not available in Australia anywhere! Snap one up - they're excellent value and look pretty good too.
That arm flash you found in the pocket is a "Royal Engineers" flash (Badge)
+bob kirk Thanks for letting me know Bob.
- Luke
Hello, i want to know the price of British sas desert dpm windproof smock ?
Lincoln souza lopes I just got one from go army in Glasgow today for £15
Lincoln souza lopes go to varusteleka net site and you can find loads of these!
There are 7 versions of the Windproof smock. Each issued to Reg/Units depending on requirements, but all made by Cooneen Watts and Stone in Belfast NI. Later became Cooneen Defence.
The very last incarnation had the three strips of velcro on the arm. Its predecessor was missing the velcro in place of a sighting tool pocket on the arm with the Union Flag. Those are the two issued to regular units. Some were treated with IR coating, some weren't. I suppose you could call that a subtype.
There's a fire retardant version issued to AAC. That had a strange fuzzy feel to it. They are darker in appearance, both the sand and the brown colours of DDPM, The pockets are also accessible from the side with velcro.
Another FR version was issued to RTR. It looked almost identical to the standard issue but was of a much stiffer fabric. a bit like garbadine or ventile. That was the type that could stand up when wet.
Another version has a removable button off hood. And crotch strap Identical in every way to the standard issue. Issued to 3rd Battalion The Parachute Regiment (3 PARA) RM were issued the standard type. I suppose the last thing you want when jumping out of a C130 is a huge flappy wired hood smashing against your face. Yes they're all button down rollable hood, but this is the only reason i can think why Parachute Reg had a removable hood. I suppose if the hood came loose, its a disaster.
Finally the SF version. As other commenters have mentioned: It had no rank tab. The contrast between dark brown is very stark. The sand almost pale pink behind chocolate pattern. Only issued to 22nd Special Air Service Regiment & Special Boat Service. Complete with crotch strap, It alsp had a huge 'Poachers' pocket sewn inside at the bum. For reasons we can only speculate.
This was incredibly informative, it’s nice to see a wider perspective on the lineage of these items. Kudos from Texas!
Haha the bloke who owned it was a Royal Engineer. Best regiment ever.
MTPpanda Bloody REMFs.
Corps. Not Regiment.
@@IowanLawman don’t think so mate…first in, last out
sappers ,,,,,,,,we are like martini, anywhere anytime
As a Brit myself, I loved seeing this review. Thanks. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Alex.
- Luke
I've been looking at this for awhile now. I finally pulled the trigger and purchased one. Thanks for the review.
I got the MTP version of this smock and it's the dog's bollocks.
Makes the M65 look lame and outdated. I would only recommend the m65 for extreme cold with the liner.
The textile is not as soft as the 94 DPM or as heavy but it's rain proof, the zip pockets are huge and if you needed to go bush packing light you have enough pocket volume to get you through a few days at a push.
The more I use mine, the more I like it. The underarm vents really help reduce overheating along with the zip pockets which are backed with a netting liner.
With an insulated body vest I reckon it would be very warm in winter.
Another thing is the laminating of material for the arm's. Smart.
It's just hands down a very very well designed and executed Smock.
Cool review Thanks for sharing
All the best Pete
SAS smocks are my jacket of choice, especially the woodland DPM. Biggest complaint is rolling up the hood (don't have wire in mine, don't want it either) and waist adjustment cords that force you to take off coat to adjust. Prefer M-65 field coat in these respects. For anyone interested, Special Air Sea Services makes SAS smocks to order with a variety of options and different colours/camo patterns. Liked video, didn't think anybody else got excited about this stuff but me!
Douglas, if you had to pick between an M65 or a BA smock which would you pick and why?
Correct all you said. I agree. I am between an m65 and an mtp smock. I dont know which one i ll take to the war!
No mention of the size of the jacket relative to your size at all, a gauge of the size is most of the reason why we would watch a clothing review, amazes me that so many CZcams clothing product reviewers don’t do this
An army surplus store on amazon uk called outcast fishing and army surplus has just had a new shipment of woodland DPM smocks in almost all sizes and are super grade almost brand new , £30 free post and package , got mine last week , its awsome , came with royal air force regiment badges and trf badge .
Just bought one so thanks for the review.
Royal Engineer had the jacket before you...
Excellent content, good video.
The sizing is tricky. They come in a lot of options for a very tailored fit. I have a couple in the woodland pattern one is a little small in the shoulders and the other is a little big. But they are awesome! Best field coat I have ever owned.
Nice gear Luke! Great find...thanks for sharing...Rocky :)
Thank you Luvlife.
- Luke
I bought exactly the same smock, only in the MTP camo. It's really awesome for the price + mine looked as if it was unissued.
There are so many variations of this garment,R.M,SAS, General issue,and lots in-between,but all are great , easily waterproofed.My favourites are the ones with 2 extra six pockets on chest,easy storage for GPS.Managed to have a close look at one a SAS guy was wearing,and the one I wore,big difference in quality and fit,Ventile material was the main difference.
there was never really a difference in material within the CS95 model, perhaps the SAS was an Arctic Smock
@@gold8857 They were all arctic smocks in beginning.R.M,I think we're the first to get them because they needed this type of jkt. Ventile is a medical grade cloth that when wet ,swells up, making it very water resistant.
@@flatmoon6359
yes, but I mean, apart from the practice of "Gucci Gear", the smocks were either Artic, or they were CS95 (nowadays there are PCS but... meh), and the Artic were the only ones made in Ventile
I like this smock... spacious bags and the hood that can be fixed in any shape.
I have one of these genuine army issue it is very nice and looks great I love it. By the way the little pocket is a pen pocket we have it on most of our military uniforms.
I thought it would be for a pack of cigarettes
On the sizes, do you think one size up or one size down when purchasing ?
I want to layer fleece or a sweater underneath.
Sweet deal thanks for sharing!
Sure thing my friend.
Be well.
- Luke
OutdoorGearReview could cha please do a review on the British DPM Woodland as well as test it out in the wilderness during winter season snow or no snow & let everybody know whether it blends/works well or not?
wow thats a great price, they cost more then that over here in the uk and they are becoming quite rare in that pattern . you can make them more water proof by using grangers fabsil waterproofer for canvas that normaly does the trick for me and i own a few my self , cool review by the way mate.
nice jacket, perfect for hicking here in the desert during winter.
I own earlier rip-stop version DDPM Smock with detachable hood and without small arm pocket.
I am about 184 in height and 120cm in chest and I own one in size 190/104 and it is still pretty lose. At the same time a also bought the same model but in 180/112 size. I bought two at the same time because they were dirt cheap and because I planned to return one that would fit less.
Instead I decided to use second one (180/112) as a part donor. I started with adding pair of pockets on the rear. I also plan to add polar fabric pocket similar to the one found in newest MTP version so that I could warm my hands. arm pockets are also in plans.
I also bought new MTP version in size 170/104 bit It was too tight to comfortably wear so I had to return it (they did not have other sizes at the time). I wonder if it is only matter of height or if the version made after rip-stop fabric one were less baggy.
Which size did you return?, 104 or 112. I'm have a 45 inch (114cm) chest not sure which to buy?.
Hey, that a royal engineers DZ, and you put it on the right way too lol good job.
Great vid. Man you post early.
Yes I do. To be honest though, I upload the video and then set it to post at that time.
- Luke
Thank you Luke😺👍
looks like a standard desert gortex without the front pockets.BTW last time i saw SAS was on a chinook and they wear a combination of US and UK mix and match and a baseball hat or beenie they also had a C8 or M4 carbine,all these SAS smocks are worn by normal soldiers depending where they are,i wore a army green bomber jacket or once even a green adidas hoodie with my SA80 sling round me,some soldiers wear civvies.
The patch is a Royal Engineer unit patch
How do you fined the nato sizing fit? Should I get the exact size I measure at or go up or down for a practical fit?
I know it's a bit late in the day but as I watch your videos I have yet to see you wear it, so where am I going to find any reviews you may have made, I have this garment (it's a bit thin for me compared to the older stuff but you cannot beat the price) and being EX British forces I would love to hear your opinions on it, All the very best Chap, Regards from the UK
Good looking smock good price. Thanks Luke.
Sure thing Opal.
- Luke
FYI.The patch is a tactical recognition flash. In this case for the Royal Engineers. Initially only airborne had these. Now it's a whole Army thing to wear.
Yeah, although the ones for the airborne forces were certainly different (they necessarily had the "diaper flap")
hi! i see this for sale on the website you linked in the description. How does it compare to the Arktis B110 Combat smock?
Great review of a standard issue DDPM smock ! ..not SAS !! ..those jackets were made of just cotton too ..yours is a poly cotton mix.... had exposed buttons on the pockets and a small hood (with a velcrose flap for the radio comms cable to pass through.. tactical satellite communications.. 'tacsat')with a 'fix lock' fastener.. and no zippered pockets. There was also a 'poachers pocket' in the tail of the jacket inside.. for a sleeping mat or additional camel back water
very nice, thanks for sharing
Thanks Todd.
- Luke
LOL, it's cool to see these in America.. I see these all the time, and the green DPM ones at my local store.. where i live, i see the real deal wearing these when im walking my dog, or camping, whilst they are on selection for the S.A.S in Brecon Beacons in South Wales.
Be well Geraint.
- Luke
I'd like your opinion on something. I'm looking for a good external layer / parka / jacket to use all-year round. I'm in the mediterranean and in the spring / summer it's really hot but might get a tiny bit chilly or windy at night, so I'd like a light layer with wind protection (don't wanna get too hot). In the winter, I want to use the same layer but with a liner (and probably extra stuff) inside.
My questions are, do you think this will be too hot in the summer (again, when there's a minor draft or chill) and if not, is it tough enough to play with sticks and stones and not get it ripped? Any reinforcement in the elbows / anywhere else?
Thanks for a great review!
Teo Maragakis Personally I'd go with one of these or a British soldier 2000 Ripstop jacket. They are similar to the smock modeled, are without a hood and liner and are quite durable. These are available in desert DPM like above or the woodland DPM, Since you're in the med I'd go with the desert pattern to help reflect the sun and heat. These jackets are supposed to be used with a few layers underneath to be warm, hence the lack of a liner. I once wore one with 4 layers plus a liner from an American m65 parka in the Highlands during a winter camp. By night time I was wearing all that inside my sleeping bag and was shaking from the cold. They keep a draft out, but they're not good for being out all day and night in the Scottish winter haha. They are also cheap right now since they've been phased out of military service (Sometimes still used during training of non infantry personnel) so the MoD are getting rid of them.
- Интурист хорошо говорит!..
- А что он говорит, конкретно что?
- А пёс его знает!
Hi! Thanks for the review. British smock jackets are cool (especially in new MTP camo). Can you advise about sizes? As I read 170/96 are equal to 120 cm in chest, because jackets are sewed to fit bulletproof vest, so real size in chest is much larger.
British Military clothing is sized as per the NATO sizing. 170 is the height and 96 is the chest size, cm. Search for NATO clothing size chart. There are plenty on line.
It's not an SAS smock
the SAS smock has a V shape on the chest
and no zip pockets.. and a smaller hood with 'fix lock'
I still say they are better than the MTP.
You can pick them up for $40? That's a hell of a bargain!
Thanks Colours.
- Luke
Been getting surplus from this supplier for 3 yrs, most all clothing is in used or surplus unissued condition. Still in stock, be sure of your size in US or metric equivalent..
Label : smock-,combat- windproof
Desert DP or Woodland DP
You cant go wrong on these while in stock as most are in very good condition. Have 3 in190- 104 and 1 in 180- 112. Fif is great, along as long as I dont expand anymore at my old age . Who Dares... Wins!!🗡
Seems like the desert dpm wouldn't be a bad choice for winter by itself. Also wouldn't darken transparent overwhites too much the way woodland camo can
Hi Luke, do you think that wih the 10cm smaller version the string inside would be to high? Becaue i am 182cm and i have the 180cm and it is almost to my knees! Love from Greeece!
I got one of these very cheap in sweden in a small airsoft store, like 20€.
Wilhelm Sandström Score! Enjoy it and be well.
- Luke
See planty in Herefordshire.they not waterproof because made for desert. But they very nice.
Yes sir, you are correct.
Be well.
- Luke
Keep in mind that he is in eastern time zone so if your in the central time zone it's an hour ahead of me, but yeah it still is early!
thats the Royal Engineers TRF badge :)
Is the jacket too warm?
I see they adopted the CANADIAN Forces buttons, (2 slits for a ribbon vs. 4 holes for thread attachment).
Thanks for pointing that out my friend.
- Luke
Nice. Can the hood be detached?
Is it thick like a coat
who dares wins! yeah!
Does anyone know how tall is he?
So 6 years on? You have the desert DPM Basha, how about this smock?
REME had their hands on it ... you’ll be safe now!
Favorite jacket! I've got the newer generation of the MTP one. It has covered button pockets which are great, but the inside fabric for the chest pockets was replaced with mesh which seems less durable. Anyway, great review!
I haven't seen the new version but will definitely check it out.
Thanks brother.
Be well and take care.
- Luke
It's essentially the same, but the zippered chest areas have a mesh retainer and the shoulders have large velcro-covered velcro pockets.
And, it's in MTP. I'd reccomend it for sure though.
M. Whitlock that was the mk1 smock, the mk2 has solid material for the pockets and zips on the hand warmer pockets.
The mesh in the new MTP jacket is a pain, as it keeps attaching itself to the Velcro that secures the zipper cover flap.
made in china =naff
I'm 52ins chest and 5.10. Also based in the UK. What size would you recommend?
xfilion 190/112 that will fit you but try n get a tantalus smock its farr better .
20 seconds in and I have to say close your pockets
Luke Law I’m with you there mate. Today a pocket, tomorrow a submarine hatch!
Aye, Royal Engineers patch which I am not surprised coz the SAS always wear standard issue smocks and patches that aren't SAS during their missions. Bravo Two Zero wore Black Adder patches (maintenance unit). They even wore Royal Air Force Senior Airmen patches on standard issue Woodland C95s in one of the missions. Having said this, for the record the SAS smock is definitely not like this.
They are also infrared reflective
Really ? That’s very interesting. How would I test that ? 🙏🏾🙏🏾
I did not see anything saying it was Gore tex
What size are you relative to the size of the jacket? What size have you got that gives such a good loose fit for layering? This is one of the most important things people are looking to know when we need to buy items online
I do not own this specific smock, but British jackets are on the roomy side. So no need to go a size up if you're unsure about it. There will be room!
I don't know if you're still interested but they're NATO size. Mine is still knocking about somewhere so I could check the size and tell you my measurements if you can't find a NATO size chart or anything. They're built pretty roomy anyway though because they're made to go over your kit, so I'd say true to size
I would love one of those in multicam.
That would be pretty cool! Woodland Marpat!!! Oh Yeah!
- Luke
brother Luke what size is that, and do you want to sell it??
Hey Joseph, I believe that I have already sold this jacket. Sorry brother. - Luke
Looks like a Soldier 95 Windproof smock.
its ok but we pay a third of that price for that smock,if you want a good smock look for the 94 pattern
Not every smock with a hood is a SAS smock, this looks like the general issue windproof, the smock I still have after 20 odd years, is made for gabardine and dries quick, back in my time it was SAS smock and tropical combat trousers is what switched on blokes wore in the field if they could get them, because they dry quick and its not fun staying wet, and as its the real deal has the seam in the right place below the armpits at that back not on the tops of the shoulders, they were specified to be made like that for good reasons, but with standards dropping on everything, maybe thats the way they are made now.. as it happens the KitCarry Smock used to be pricey but popular one too.
Wished they had no velcro and anly zips or buttons. Bit indeed very nice
How do you properly secure the hood?
It’s not a SAS windproof it’s just a standard issue jack that’s it.
where can i get one?
I believe at keepshooting.com www.keepshooting.com/british-desert-dpm-windproof-smock.html
Just purchased for $19 on MilitaryClothing.com ($28 after shipping) irregular size. Not a big deal but what is that little sleeve pocket for? Too small for a pen. Maybe 💄 or chap stick for the macho man.
Its for a standard issue pocket knife
I've got one in green for £20 not sure what that is in $
Danielmerlin13 About $600! 😂😂
Do you sell your gear on eBay?
I do not sell anything on eBay.
- Luke
I can get unissued versions of these,still in the wrappers.👍🏾🇬🇧
Where…?😏
@@Not.22Man Amazon has them in unissued condition from a vendor called Militar for $58USD. I got one earlier this week. There's no sign that mine was even tried on. No military label on the bag but that's not a problem for me as I bought it to wear. They have a lot of sizes.
Moon and grey wolf is Turkish emblem
Water resistant? Really? How? Like some sort of softshell?
I dyed mine with brown dye
How would this actually be in a HOT climate, do you think? It's windproof, but will that make it a bit too hot?
Stephen Kempa That is a really good question and I don't know how it would do since I live in a cool climate.
Maybe a viewer can offer some feedback.
Strength and Honor my friend.
- Luke
Night time in the middle east can drop below 0 degrees Celcius!
Although it's hot during the day the temp's can drop dramatically during the night! :)
I agree. It is a characteristic often people don't realise until they have spent time in a few deserts. A desert's key characteristic is a lack of water, therefore a lack of cloud cover, and a lack of large vegetation, and therefore the temperature drops like a stone at night. There are areas of Australia where a 30 degree Celsius change in 24 hours is fairly normal.
For a desert environment they worked far better than ACU Camo the americans had up to a few years ago
Royal engineers smock
Oops I mean an hour behind
SAS! Ha ha! Ballocks!
SAS take the hood wire out
That is not just sas
That is a Royal Engineers Tactical Recognition Flash.
Thanks Brushful!
- Luke
They’re general issue everyone gets one …
Why is it so hard to find a black one? I don't wanna wear camo on the street.
Lol. I think that question is answered in itself. However "drop zone supplies" probably has them in black
Triple259772 you can get them in black. I normally prefer black but they don't look as good. more expensive for some reason too.
Because they make (literally) hundreds of thousands in camouflage colours but only a few in black for the handful of MoD/Civilian people who use them. Economy of scale!
My what a big smock you have ☝😍
That's not a SAS issue smock
It’s way too big for you, lol
Chuck Biscuits looks just fine to me. They are meant to be a bit baggy to accommodate waterproof and cold weather layers underneath, because these aren’t insulated at all.
It's a normal British army jacket. Nothing to do with the regiment.