Why You Shouldn't Care About CFM
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- čas přidán 10. 02. 2024
- Forget what you've heard about picking a good dust collector. There's more to choosing the right system than just CFM.
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someone show me another dust collector option with static pressure in the range of onieda.
They know what they're doing!
Record cam vac. I got a trimotor version with upgraded merv15 filters from stockroom supply. I still use my Oneida mini gorilla when I need high volume low pressure collection. I could almost use the cam vac exclusively for small and large ports. The Oneida equivalent would be the supercell.
@@jonmadill9001the Trimotor version with the upgraded hepa filter is which dust collector? Also can you please clarify the scenario where you’d use the mini gorilla?
Well done, Mike! Great info
Thanks brother! 👊
FisherSShop, the man, the myth, the legend!
info was awesome, but the edit was even better! 🔥 I can appreciate how much work went into this video edit. Good job.
Thanks brother! I spent more time in the planning phase on this one and I'm really happy with how it came together. Thanks for the encouragement👊
Your style is getting better with each video. Great topic and one I very much enjoy discussing with everyone. I will reference this in the future. Thanks Mike!
Thanks Mike, I really appreciate the support brother! 👊
I have the Camvac 90L , I’ll never go back to a low pressure system again. One of the best purchases. Totally worth the cost of installing 220v as well
Awesome! Yeah, 220 opens up so many opportunities!
Props to Oneida. IMHO they are the best in the business and if the DC ever fails they will have parts to fix it instead of throwing the entire thing into a landfill.
YES!!!! Thank you thank you! You are my new hero as I work through building a bunny hutch with my daughter and play Tetris with tools and materials. Thanks for sharing!
great overview!
Thanks Matt!
Great video and information I’m looking for a dust collector and been really looking at the oneida systems
Thanks Jim! I'm glad the video was helpful! I've been really happy with my Oneida dust collectors. I hope this helps you out while making a decision!
Have a good one!
Mike
Ya definitely a big help I’m pretty sure I’m going with the Oneida system for sure seems to be the best. Thanks Mike
@jimrosson6702 glad to help!
Can you name anyone whose shop has burnt down from static discharge?
Can you clarify why you wouldn’t use the supercell for the entire shop
Rather than having multiple dust collectors?
The super cell could be used for an entire shop. Since my shop is divided into two sections (over 100' of ducting) and some of the dust ports are over 4" the super cell isn't the ideal solution for my entire shop. For a garage size shop though it could be a great solution as the only DC.
Sorry for the delayed response. Hope that helps!
I’m just waiting for the day when I can run my dust collector at the same time as my table saw without blowing the circuit 🤣
Me too, except I know damn well I'm not gunna do it lol
😂
Until that day it's kinda like Russian roulette 😂
Hey Mike. This video seems like an infomercial. Did Oneida provide consideration for the video? I believe it's useful for the audience to know this one way or the other.
Hey Jay,
Thanks for watching and I get you asking about sponsorship. I did do a video a few months back with Oneida covering the upgrade from my previous dust collectors to my current setup (czcams.com/video/6FtwnQi12ZE/video.html). There was a ton that I learned from them while going through that upgrade process. For this video I just wanted to share what I'd learned because for so long I'd thought that CFM was really all you needed to worry about.
Cheers!
Mike
So I’m no expert at dust collection. I’ve been told that if your tool has a 2.5” exhaust, you can run it to a shop vac. And if your tool has a 4” exhaust, then it should run to your dust collector. So my tablesaw, routers, sanders and other tools are all off shop vac. My 2HP dust collector is only hooked up to planer and jointer. It seems to work for me but every sponsored video says otherwise. I don’t believe reducing my 4” dust collector to a 2.5” works as well and I’m sure it wouldn’t work the other way around. 🤔💭
What you've heard is correct. I spoke to this toward the end of the video, but since the supercell kind of breaks the standard rules it can make things confusing. In general, 4" and larger ports definitely need a dust collector and no, you wouldn't want to reduce those to a smaller port.
You can use a shop vac for your 2.5" ports just fine. That's what I did for years before having the super cell.
Does that clarify things? Let me know if I can help!
@@WoodshopMikeWhat about on a lunchbox planer? Mine has a 2”OD. Can I use it with my dust extractor?
Sorry for the delay, I missed this one! Even for a lunch box planer I would still go toward a DC rather than a dust extractor just because of the volume of chips a planer will produce. If you wanted to stick with a shopvac/dust extractor though, I'd try adding on something like the Mullet just to give you a little more capacity.
Great information but,
CFM (Cubic Feet per Minute) Not how fast the air is moving but how much air. Feet per minute is how fast.
Thanks Monte and yep you're right! You probably already know this, but since air speed is used in the calculation of CFM I over simplified that aspect because I wanted the information it to be easier to understand.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Have a good one!
Mike
I just purchased the Oneida Supercell, and their guy set me up with all flex hose for all my runs. He said it was the best way to go for mine. Let's hope he is correct.
You're gonna love it. Mine is hooked up to the CNC and provides way better dust collection than my previous setups. I have roughly 50' of flex hose for the CNC branched off from metal ducting. There's also a 30' 2-1/2" hose hooked up to the supercell and it's what I use for the router table now. My shop vacs have been relegated to site work now 😀
@@WoodshopMike That makes me want to get it set up even that much more
That one is pretty easy to get up and running 😃
Are we really still spreading the myth about static build up in pvc causing a fire in a home shop. You can google it and find the papers that were written disproving it.
When properly grounded there's very little risk of fire true, but the static buildup does reduce efficiency.
@@WoodshopMike it has nothing to do with grounding the amount of dust you would have to produce cannot be done in a home shop. And being that pvc isn’t a conductor you technically can’t ground it. Or at least in a way that would make any difference
Sure you can, bare copper wire wrapped around the pipe run to a grounding rod will do the trick. Also FWIW, I never mentioned solely home shops...
@@WoodshopMike that technically isn’t grounding the pvc. It is allowing the minor build up of static to be released. PVC is an insulator and you can’t ground an insulator. At least that’s according to my electrician and my grandfather who was an electrical engineer.
And being that your content is centered around a home shop one would discern that you are referring to smaller home style shops.
Everything byromscustomwoodworks is stating is correct.
PVC is an insulator you can't ground it. To remove the static build-up, you have to wrap the entire length of PVC with copper wiring. You can use wiring to help reduce the build-up in the immediate area. So if it's a location you frequently touch is always constantly shocking you, then yes, using copper wiring to ground the immediate area is effective.
He is also correct that you cannot start a fire with the static discharge. In an industrial environment where there are dust particles filling the entire volume of the space, yes, there is potential of an explosion. But the parts per million of particles needed are so high that a home shop will never be able to produce the necessary volume.
I'm also an electrical engineer that had to write a paper on arcing in a space environment and even though the numbers are worse in earth gravity the numbers are still within magnitudes of danger
I very much agree. In the time we are living in, we have to stop spreading incorrect information. You cannot start a fire or an explosion because you are using PVC without grounding the system.
Given the supercell’s ultra high pressure, do you use it with your small power tools like track saws and sanders rather than using a Festool-like dust extractor for those tools?
I have the Camvac 90L(three motors) and yes, you absolutely can. The high pressure makes it more versatile because it works well with smaller hoses. You can choose to turn on one, two, or three motors depending on the application. I do have a festool CT 26 so I do use that for sanding almost always. I prefer to use the Camvac on my tracksaw but sometimes it is more convenient using the festool. It does excellent on my planer and jointer with 4in ports as well. On my miter saw and DeltaT2, both have notoriously bad dust collection, the Camvac makes the dust collection on them pretty damn good on a normal hose with all three motors going. They say to only run any given motor for two hours tops and at that point , a 15min break. I’ve never run into a scenario where I had to run it more than 45mins. I added a cyclone to it recently and it’s made me love it even more. Definitely one of my favorite purchases
@@user-nx3zk5qi8tInteresting. So if the supercell's high pressure makes this possible with smaller hoses, why not use it rather than the Camvac or the Festool with those smaller tools?
I don't use it with the hand sanders or track saw, but I do use it for my router table and it does an amazing job!
For sanders, hand held routers, and my track saw I use my Festool or SurfPrep dust extractor.
I can't speak for the Camvac, but for me, I still use the dust extractor for those smaller tools simply because I already had the dust extractors and they're also quitter than the super cell. I'm always wearing my ISOtunes while I'm in the shop, but unless I just need a more powerful vac, I'm gonna go with the Festool since it's so much quiter.
If I were just starting out and didn't have a need for a portable dust extractor I'd likely just purchase the SuperCell b/c it will definitely do the job! Hope that helps!
@@WoodshopMike > How come though? Really curious because I see this debated a lot.
by its very nature, the supercell has a much shorter lifespan than the dust gorilla pro. Its nothing more than a bunch of 110 vacuum motors stacked together to get those high water column rates. Heck, Oneida even tells you that their supercell motors have a life span of 1000 to 1200 hours. for the amount of money you pay, the supercell to me is not worth while at that motor lifespan rate.
That's a great point and not trying to defend Oneida here, but the way I see that system is more of a prosumer solution to get the high pressure without the huge cost of a bigger system. Also, not saying it's a cheap solution, but they do sell the replacement motors. That's one thing I looked into as well before opting for the supercell at the CNC.
Thanks for watching, have a good one!
Mike
was this a paid advertisement for Oneida?
Hey Carl!
I did partner with Oneida around a previous video (czcams.com/video/6FtwnQi12ZE/video.html), but no, this was not a paid advertisement. Happy to answer any questions you may have though.
Have a good one and thanks for watching!
While I respect the videos information, it seems to only pertain to those able to afford a ~$7500 set up. Frankly, the information, while full of knowledge, skips right over the average home woodworker, and acts more as an advertisement for more or less “needing” the best of the best as you have in your shop.
As you said in a previous comment though, you never specifically said this is information for a home shop only, still however, the information provided comes off more as “if you can’t afford this, you’re worse off” than it does inform and give suggestions. Take that for what you will.
Hey Paul!
First off thank you for watching and I really appreciate you taking the time to comment. Double appreciate you being polite (too many folks just get rude and I don't know about you, but I for one much prefer a respectful exchange of information)!
Definitely not trying to come across from a "if you can’t afford this, you’re worse off” perspective and genuinely appreciate that feedback. YT is a struggle between keeping things well paced, but also giving enough backstory to fill in the gaps. So here's my dust collector journey (if you care 😀) I've bought several DCs over the years (even more than the 3 I showed in this video) and where I am today has been an incremental improvement. Honestly, if I was still a weekend warrior the super cell would be as nice of a unit as I would likely buy and I would probably just be hooking up to one tool at a time with 4" flex hose. But since I'm doing this woodworking thing full time, I need a system that can save me time and keep the shop cleaner (safer), so for me that's where the dust gorilla pro makes sense.
Shooting straight with you, I'm the kinda guy that follows the philosophy of buy once cry once when it comes to tools. I started woodworking in high school and even back then I bought the best tools I could afford. That said, I always try to get by with the cheapest option that'll get the job done because money doesn't grow on trees. You can definitely get by with less expensive options, it really comes down to what fits you budget and needs.
For the average home owner, I would seriously consider the super cell, but I'd love to hear what your setup is and give you my opinion if you want!
Again, thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Have a good one!
Mike
And when the city inspector shows up you will tell him its a lie too???
Come on man the cfm is their for a reason and has to do with bylaws and code.
Did you watch the entire video? The point is that CFM isn't the biggest factor like it's been made out to be. Of course there has to be CFM by nature of how a DC works but depending on the scenario, you might need higher static pressure for good dust collection.
Cheers!