Considering we were coming off a run that spent most of the time dunking on the idea of Wakandan exceptionlism (r*ape camps, Wakanda colonizing the Originators etc) and framing T'Challa as some authoritarian despot (seeking guidance from dictators, coup attempt etc), I really and truly fail to grasp what the point of Ridley's run was other than destabilizing T'Challa. There's just no interesting story here. Nobody actually buys into Jhai being this important person in T'Challa's life. Nobody who's read prior BP books buys into Wakanda trippin this much over damn sleeper agents either. You say Ridley was just "putting it to bed" but in reality, Ridley just dug up the deconstructionist themes of a story that was JUST put to bed (Coates run) and inartfully rehashed it. It's why there's a lot of criticism. The same ground got retreaded in a very contrived way and with absolutely no pay off, just a further decline of T'Challa's stature. The run also forgets two VERY crucial story details, seemingly for the express purpose of shitting on T'Challa. 1. T'Challa emphatically supported the creation of a constitutional monarchy. It was his idea to create a constitution (Black Panther Vol. 6 #12) In this run they have him acting like he was dragged into it. 2. Shuri was queen and regent when Atlantis attacked and was the one who issued retaliation on Atlantis AGAINST T'Challa's advice. (New Avengers Vol 3. #7 and #8) This is what caused Namor to send the Black Order to destory Wakanda (New Avengers Vol. 3 #22) Nothing to do with T'Challa. T'Challa's entire disposition this run forgets point #1 and Folasade's rational for blaming T'Challa for Namor forgets point #2. These are just two examples of inconsistencies, there are many more, but it's one of many reasons why this run is just amateurish. It ignores a lot of canon, and not for a payoff of a better overall story.
@@moonknight101 right.....no wait they kimda did that during the whole retelling of T'Challa's origin and they damn well made it as if T'Challa was dumb, and hunter getting away with trying to kidnapped/possibly trying to kill T'Challa
I couldn't get behind the "Man Without Fear" concept. he's a king and an Avenger, but he's the one that needs to fill-in for Daredevil in a city full of superheroes? I want to see more of "Civil War" and "Future Foundation" T'Chala. The capable genius who can run a country, who thinks through his actions, who is often the voice of reason, and who still kicks ass.
My main issue was something you said early in the video: this wasn't anything different. We've seen the Dora leave T'Challa, we've seen T'Challa get exiled, we've seen him betray Storm's trust. Except this time Ridley broke them up after they got back together. I want something different, and while I like Eve Ewing's writing and will check out her run, if I see it's nothing new I'll drop it too.
@Ampocalypse W Two things can be true. Yes, Storm sided with the x-men against him, but he also had a plan to fight his wife, not to mention he annulled their marriage without her knowing it. How is that not a betrayal?
@@e34re yet when all this happen, after she sided with her "ppl" her divorce her and had a plan to fight agaisnt her. Which idk why she even choose to fight him in the first place, besides would u not do the same? Also I don't see how that is betrayal on his part seeing as he was betrayed by not only her but her ppl
I just don't like how it feels like tchalla is being put to the side or over shadowed in his own comic. He barely gets the love and respect her deserves, with now being taken away from his thrown, his city and even made to be almost ostracised from wakanda ( also his own comic)
I think black panther needs one good writer going forward no more of this changing writers treat Wakanda like you treat New York with monsters attacking super power beings everywhere give Wakanda that level of respect and also give Black Panther that level of respect I guarantee people won’t be mad
Lmao bruh. TChalla literally went to Shaman/Voodoo Socerers. Shuri basically is a mini goddess/Shaman herself, and basically knows low level magic I think. So non of that shit makes sense
@jeremy woodard facts. It's even crazier because in recent Wakanda #1 (2022-2023). Bashenga literally used "the spear of bashenga" and "stormbreaker" to literally asborb cosmic enegry to close off dimensions that had monsters coming thru them.
This whole run was hot garbage, I stopped buying it. They are forcing western sensibilities on an African country, having a wife from Ghana and traveled the continent many times the whole on-Binary thing would not go over well. Tchalla was a fair and just King why is a western democracy better? I hope the next run is different and corrects the many wrongs of this run.
Blerd the only ppl who hates this run are the fans of BP/wakanda, how is it that wakanda hates ppl using magic yet we have more thn 5 ppl in wakanda uses magic and are praised for it. Hell they built their land in both scientific advancement and spirituality, and while I understand the whole Namor and T'Challa rivalry it was Shuri who left Atlantis in ruins. Not to mention John Ridley is a problematic writer, this dude calls his own ppl with the er. This dude sucks up the white man like a Mosquito wanting blood. And for all those who like the run, good for you someone had to like 👍
Eve L Ewing. She better do TChalla justice in his next series this coming June. I even like his new costume/Gear design. The next story is a basically gonna focus On TChalla being a Nomad in wakanda essentially. Working in the shadows as everybody believes he's truly Exiled. When really he's in wakanda protecting it as a Nomad of some sort.
@Ampocalypse W seriously though. It takes us the fans to actually remember his shit. It's crazy. WE don't see no other genius superhero forget there technology and powers BUT tchalla
This is the first run of something in a long time where I think it just rapidly deteriorated and I couldn't wait for it to end. But I kinda wish tchalla would've gone to space on some new cosmic faring adventure kinda like Eddie Brock post-God mode. A cosmic BP who's an emperor and hero would be a fair ascension.
I've read iron heart I kinda like Eve Ewing as a writer but I don't think it's gonna be a good run ,but I'm not as knowledgeable as blered it might work out who knows.
You know it always starts as a fight until they have a common enemy. I think if they made a book where they both had to put their egos aside to face a common enemy and became friendly in the process would be a good read.
Your point that people hate on how T'Challa is written, no matter who writes it or how is spot on. I didn't pick up this issue, though it is in my pull list...I might just stick it out into the next run.
The funniest thing about this run is how it happened roughly around the time that people were upset that the recast for BP didn't happen in the MCU lmao Also find it interesting that Wakanda hates mutants and magic users but using a magical metal from space to make themselves wealthy is a-ok.
Wakanda doesn't hate mutants. What the fuck? Wakanda is literally the ONLY nation that actually gave a fuck about helping mutants. Gentle is a prime example. Wakanda doesn't hate gentle for being a mutant. They just dislike he isn't full wakandan. And plus, wakanda are boujee assholes and have every right to be. Anybody who isn't wakanda their gonna have a problem with them regardless. Wakanda has even been mad at TChaka and TChalla for the fact they choose to marry outside of a wakandan. My point is wakanda don't hate mutants bro
You forget to mention the said country being lead by a man or woman who is bless by a goddess panther embrued with mystical powers, and the same metal that can enhance magic. In fact we had a magic user in BP b4 these girls
@Ampocalypse W lmao yeah. It's just I think it's hypocritical of Wakandans to hate mutants and magic users cuz they think they're "unnatural" meanwhile they're using vibranium that isn't even from earth.
On John Ridley 's run (in the immortal words of HOMME the clown)HATED IT!!.T'CHALLA IN THE Hood, not really feeling that unless it's in WAKANDA or other communities in AFRICA.
I think all of BWFs breakdowns have been fair, and at this point I’m convinced the fanhood is divided into 3 parts - A) the side that wants T’Challa the Champion, to remain triumphant in every circumstance. Then there’s B), who are enjoying the drama of loss and gain that appears to add depth to T’Challa’s experience and that of Wakanda as a whole. And then me in the middle, teetering both sides. I think T’Challa and Wakanda are highly underrepresented in all forms of media. We don’t have ANYTHING where T’Challa is catching Ws. Not movies, not cartoons, not video games, and clearly not his own comic run (except maybe Avengers). He went from Emperor to Exile like damn homie, in 2020 you was the man, homie! Wtf happened to… But I also think the comics are directing Wakanda with its flaws in mind. If we were Wakandan, after all the attacks, our king galavanting abroad, we’re warring with each other, we’d probably have some issues too (speaking generally). Wakanda just isn’t a utopia, though it’s given that impression a number of ways. I respect challenging its ideals, though I don’t agree with how some writers have done it, because it’s felt forced. I almost wish this story was swapped with Intergalactic Empire, which seemed to put T’Challa back on the throne, a higher one at that (figuratively and literally). This story ran like none of that even happened - I’d of much rather seen some space adventures. But the man could use a break. Heavy is the head! Like E said, it’s taking me back to Man Without Fear days for sure. Street level, low tech, instinctual T’Challa. Perhaps he’ll uncover a deeper threat to Wakanda he otherwise wouldn’t have noticed. He is, after all, still King of the Dead, still Black Panther. I’m personally hoping Folasade is lining herself up for failure. Tosin seemed cool when he was first introduced, but he’s another hard headed angsty teen that I’m actually hoping can be groomed by T’Challa or another great hero figure. I’m looking forward to Ewing’s run! S/O to anyone who read all this because I have NOT had much time to speak in an audience that wasn’t all on Side A lmaooo #WakandaAlliance
Good points. I agree with a lot of what you said, but I disagree with your framing of the 3 camps. I don't really think there's a camp that needs to see T'Challa triumphant in every circumstance. I think most ppl enjoy seeing characters pushed to their limit, the stakes just have to be believable and the characterization has to feel true to character. I've said it before, but it's why ppl don't dog Hickman's T'Challa or Priest's, he gets pushed to his limit, takes some Ls but still feels like "T'Challa" the whole time. That's all ppl really want, the bar is actually quite low lol
Absolutely correct about people hating on black panther regardless of the writer or storyline. Something about this character that gets the haters in their feelings 😂
I just couldn't get into this run. I loved the Coates run. It examined T'Challa and his flaws but in the end he learned from those. It was an epic, then this came out and seemed to be doubling down on the flaws(that Coates already addressed...). I'm excited for Ewing's run as i really enjoyed her run on Ironheart
I always thought Black Panther was basically Captain America of Wakanda, but over the past couple years I realized how much power he has... That's why I was absolutely pissed off they decided to not recast him in Black Panther 2.
It's like why end it. John wrote storm to be more of a hypocrite and betrayer then ever. The fact storm basically betrayed him twice. Then proceeds to be mad at him for just having a body guard spy on her for protection. But then she goes and makes spies herself.
@jay be easy all to make cry baby X-men fans happy because of huge Jackman kiss with Hallie. Storm and wolverines chemistry never fucking made sense to me. I know she went to wolverine the first time after the divorce and the second time in an X-men comic which makes no sense to me either. I don't remember the 3rd though.
@jay be easy it's even funnier because wolverine was literally made to not be an attractive person. When u think about it. Dude is 5'3. If he isn't at the X mansion he's either in the woods or at a bar getting into bar fights. So wolverine either smells fuckinh musty or he smells like alcohol daily. All while being hairy and short. 😭. I don't know not one woman who would sleep with someone who has that kind of lifestyle unless it's a country girl. Other then that it makes no sense how he's pulling all these women. And he's in a poly with cyclops and Jean like what? 😂
And I just want to break this to you real quick just because your culture has been. Decimated does not mean that you can take on a fictional country and their culture.
Keep in mind of Wanda telling Ororo that she is a part of The Sisterhood, however, this might be upon the magic users of the Marvel Universe, and not strictly Wakanda.
Bro is that how you see T'challa as a street level character?🤔 Little sad to hear that. After the years it took to build him up to the level of Cap and Tony. You want to turn him to Knight Thrasher?🤔 Come on.
Right, this is the same man who was able to take down the FF, fight Kilmonger for almost a week with a few hr break, beaten or equal to that of spiderman.
I like it, whenever characters go down to the purview of the regular person to see how they adapt and change for the better. They did the same for iron man and captain america, why not t'challa ?
@@fullmetal2455 Bc this already happen in a previous arc during the whole intergalactic wakanda, and the writer of this book is problematic seeing as he doesn't like his own ppl
@@IronheartvsMiles I'm talking in general for example batman previously in his run lost wanye interprizes then setup batman incorporated. Or Ironman and civil war one. I don't hate this specific run of BP but it's not horrible and I like the setup they are giving him to build off in the future
@@IronheartvsMiles What?🤔 Do you know how many upgrades T'challa has been given since he first faced off against the Fantastic Four? When did you start reading Black Panther comics?🤔 Please explain. Also Popularity wise he wasn't. Hell to be honest T'challa was and is to some degree the good guy version of Dr. Doom. Do you want Steve or Tony to be street level?🤔
@@SANGO697 so to humor your statement with crossing two different properties and they would never face each other, Whether they are a Black, White, Martian, Marvel, DC, Wildstorm, Valiant, no one beats Superman. He’s figuratively and artistically just built different.
Marvels Black superheroes don’t get good comic runs. They have to spend all their time justifying not using their power against racists and killing all the Black revolutionaries so the white heroes don’t have to. Black people exist under similar conditions to mutants in Marvel and yet Wakanda does nothing, Krakoa does nothing, Sam Wilson does nothing, Blue Marvel does nothing. Miles Morales doesn’t want to be Black. Blade is too busy hunting vamps… so on and so forth. Jubilee has done more for mutants than any of marvels big name Black heroes have done for black people
Ernie I love your channel but your “Black Panther” analysis is way off base when speaking towards what other people don’t like about it. If you personally like it though, that’s fine, everybody won’t like the same things. But this book caught a lot of flack from a lot of people for a reason.
@@buckshot9297 Will black panther get the same resources and support or will they just be another garden variety super soldier? He's removing the things that make BP tick -royalty, guards, authority, resources etc.
what you said about them realizing theyre both right and wrong, and T'challa growing to hate aspects of what he's become; that was really quite poignant and beautiful. But the way it was written and illustrated in the comic? boyyyy that was some hot trash. This version of Wakanda is a whole lot like a Wakanda that has been colonized and that defeats the entire point.
Black Panther is not Daredevil or Spider-man he is king of the most powerful nation on the planet and emperor of a wakandan galactic empire. Until we’re back here I am out
Honestly, this was a very different run. I'm actually happy we actually addressed some of the criticisms about T'Challa and Wakanda as a whole. I know folks are not that to tells not King anymore but 1, I could have sworn we all learned a while ago that monarchies are bad & 2, this really makes T'Challa a man of the people now. He's not in his palace in the Golden City. He now will love among the citizens, experience average... Well as average a life in Wakanda can be.
He was always kinda like that. He was only really in the Palace when big things happened and/or he needed to be. Mainly because wakanda was almost crime free ( in the past, probably not so much recently). Yh it's great that monarchies are shown as bad but doesn't mean tchalla couldn't be the prime minister or president in the democracy. You don't need to remove him totally from power to remove the monarchy. Atleast make him the head of security rather than just kick him out.
Too many of y'all are acting like addressing flaws about Wakanda and T'Challa is some grand subversion and long time coming, but it's not. It literally happened for 6 years with the last run. Monarchy bad, sad T'Challa, was the entire thematic throughput of the Coates era. I do not understand why you guys keep acting like this was new or novel idea when BP comics have exclusively been doing this exact same story post Secret Wars lol, that's why ppl are complaining about the run cuz they're burnt out on that deconstructionist storytelling.
This run started out very weird but it definitely found its footing somewhat towards the end. I do feel they should've done more with the Intergalactic Empire but that got shoved to the side real quick. Got no doubt even in the next run they'll still pretend the Intergalactic empire doesn't exist
The John David Ridley run on Black Panther has had its low and high points , but gave Tchalla some good character cleaning that was needed to square his relationships with his family, subjects, and allies especially with some of the other Avengers.
Yesss ernie great review and i am 1 of the few that like the series and direction its going . Oh also i wonder if Folasade is pronounced Floa sha de, I dated a lady with that same name lol.
Most of the people who hated this run just hated it because black panther wasn't winning and being right all the time all they want is a comic book where there's no growth and no examination of the character or his flaws this is why Superman is boring
Not only was he losing to people he should've beat. But first John takes away tchallas masculinity in front of the woman who looked up to him(Dora Milaje, Storm, Shuri Damm near) He gets his ass beat by jhai when tchalla would've dogged him with one hand. TChalla telling storm "jhai was the only man I ever cared about"... Despite this comicbook run not only being jhais first appearance, but then he tells this to storm his ex wife. Like u mean to tell me Shuri, Queen Romanda, TChaka, Azzuri, Storm, are less important then Jhai? 😂 TChalla basically being mentality weak going against Buffalo solider and completely gets his ass beat to a new character with no build up? 😭 Tchalla being king of the dead? Having 1,000,000 years of strenght, speed, fighting styles, fighting experience, Can Summon The dead, Can Summon his past ancestors to help aid fight him, having on-go technology with his necklace, and yet he's sitting back getting his ass beat?. The entire store they keep telling TChalla "he's not king anymore" or "we won't follow u anymore tchalla since you aren't king" Meanwhile TCHALLA IS AN INTERGALACTIC "EMPEROR" OF "5 GALAXIES". And yet they're telling him he's not king anymore? 😭 this story was completely trash to me. It only had 4 good things I liked about the story and 2 of them were literally already told by Christopher preist. 😂.
@@htownboss6422 lol exactly. this is a reductionist argument that ppl with no critical thinking skills make to defend this run. There's so many legitimate issues with this run that tryna reduce it to "you just mad T'Challa took Ls" is just foolish.
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MAN!!!! THIS RUN PISSED ME ALL THE WAY OFF!!
It made me 'storm the capital' mad
Considering we were coming off a run that spent most of the time dunking on the idea of Wakandan exceptionlism (r*ape camps, Wakanda colonizing the Originators etc) and framing T'Challa as some authoritarian despot (seeking guidance from dictators, coup attempt etc), I really and truly fail to grasp what the point of Ridley's run was other than destabilizing T'Challa. There's just no interesting story here. Nobody actually buys into Jhai being this important person in T'Challa's life. Nobody who's read prior BP books buys into Wakanda trippin this much over damn sleeper agents either. You say Ridley was just "putting it to bed" but in reality, Ridley just dug up the deconstructionist themes of a story that was JUST put to bed (Coates run) and inartfully rehashed it. It's why there's a lot of criticism. The same ground got retreaded in a very contrived way and with absolutely no pay off, just a further decline of T'Challa's stature.
The run also forgets two VERY crucial story details, seemingly for the express purpose of shitting on T'Challa.
1. T'Challa emphatically supported the creation of a constitutional monarchy. It was his idea to create a constitution (Black Panther Vol. 6 #12) In this run they have him acting like he was dragged into it.
2. Shuri was queen and regent when Atlantis attacked and was the one who issued retaliation on Atlantis AGAINST T'Challa's advice. (New Avengers Vol 3. #7 and #8) This is what caused Namor to send the Black Order to destory Wakanda (New Avengers Vol. 3 #22) Nothing to do with T'Challa.
T'Challa's entire disposition this run forgets point #1 and Folasade's rational for blaming T'Challa for Namor forgets point #2. These are just two examples of inconsistencies, there are many more, but it's one of many reasons why this run is just amateurish. It ignores a lot of canon, and not for a payoff of a better overall story.
This guy gets it.
Finally someone who also reads BP
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You could have replaced jhai with the white wolf and had a better story
@@moonknight101 right.....no wait they kimda did that during the whole retelling of T'Challa's origin and they damn well made it as if T'Challa was dumb, and hunter getting away with trying to kidnapped/possibly trying to kill T'Challa
I couldn't get behind the "Man Without Fear" concept. he's a king and an Avenger, but he's the one that needs to fill-in for Daredevil in a city full of superheroes? I want to see more of "Civil War" and "Future Foundation" T'Chala. The capable genius who can run a country, who thinks through his actions, who is often the voice of reason, and who still kicks ass.
Preach
My main issue was something you said early in the video: this wasn't anything different. We've seen the Dora leave T'Challa, we've seen T'Challa get exiled, we've seen him betray Storm's trust. Except this time Ridley broke them up after they got back together. I want something different, and while I like Eve Ewing's writing and will check out her run, if I see it's nothing new I'll drop it too.
I nvr understood why ppl say he betrayed storm when it's the other way around, but okay
@@ampocalypsew3883 thank you and she did it 3x’s
@@jaybeeeasy right, I love storm but she or should I say the ppl been writeevher like a bitch towards BP
@Ampocalypse W Two things can be true. Yes, Storm sided with the x-men against him, but he also had a plan to fight his wife, not to mention he annulled their marriage without her knowing it. How is that not a betrayal?
@@e34re yet when all this happen, after she sided with her "ppl" her divorce her and had a plan to fight agaisnt her. Which idk why she even choose to fight him in the first place, besides would u not do the same?
Also I don't see how that is betrayal on his part seeing as he was betrayed by not only her but her ppl
Damn that camera quality fire
Glad it’s over
I just don't like how it feels like tchalla is being put to the side or over shadowed in his own comic. He barely gets the love and respect her deserves, with now being taken away from his thrown, his city and even made to be almost ostracised from wakanda ( also his own comic)
I'm a Black man, so I am very serious: John Ridley has lost his black card with this b.s.
Indeed especially with that one book he made about his own ppl.
Preach
I think black panther needs one good writer going forward no more of this changing writers treat Wakanda like you treat New York with monsters attacking super power beings everywhere give Wakanda that level of respect and also give Black Panther that level of respect I guarantee people won’t be mad
As long as John Ridley isn't writing it anymore, I'll be happy.
My dude should have left earth with is INTERGALACTIC EMPIRE.
they fear magic but believe in ancestral plane? just pathetic writing
Lmao bruh. TChalla literally went to Shaman/Voodoo Socerers.
Shuri basically is a mini goddess/Shaman herself, and basically knows low level magic I think. So non of that shit makes sense
It just goes to show you JR didn't know what he was doing
is dumb because what makes Wakanda powerful is they were the first people to combine magic in science
@jeremy woodard facts. It's even crazier because in recent Wakanda #1 (2022-2023). Bashenga literally used "the spear of bashenga" and "stormbreaker" to literally asborb cosmic enegry to close off dimensions that had monsters coming thru them.
This whole run was hot garbage, I stopped buying it. They are forcing western sensibilities on an African country, having a wife from Ghana and traveled the continent many times the whole on-Binary thing would not go over well. Tchalla was a fair and just King why is a western democracy better? I hope the next run is different and corrects the many wrongs of this run.
John Ridley is to T’Challa what Zeb Wells is to Peter Parker.
Blerd the only ppl who hates this run are the fans of BP/wakanda, how is it that wakanda hates ppl using magic yet we have more thn 5 ppl in wakanda uses magic and are praised for it. Hell they built their land in both scientific advancement and spirituality, and while I understand the whole Namor and T'Challa rivalry it was Shuri who left Atlantis in ruins. Not to mention John Ridley is a problematic writer, this dude calls his own ppl with the er. This dude sucks up the white man like a Mosquito wanting blood.
And for all those who like the run, good for you someone had to like 👍
Eve L Ewing. She better do TChalla justice in his next series this coming June. I even like his new costume/Gear design. The next story is a basically gonna focus On TChalla being a Nomad in wakanda essentially. Working in the shadows as everybody believes he's truly Exiled. When really he's in wakanda protecting it as a Nomad of some sort.
I just hople she touches up in his king of the dead powers, I hate that every writer forgets this power he has.
@@ampocalypsew3883 bro. I hate how every writers forgets his powers AND his technology
@@BigReuben97 right, they always remember Tony and Reed bur act like T'Challa is just African cap
@Ampocalypse W seriously though. It takes us the fans to actually remember his shit. It's crazy. WE don't see no other genius superhero forget there technology and powers BUT tchalla
@@BigReuben97 right! And tge only tike when T'Challa actually uses his tech is either due to a one short event, or alternate timeline
ok question, isn't he still the emperor of the Wakandan galactic empire
Lmao RIGHT!?
Yes he is
This is the first run of something in a long time where I think it just rapidly deteriorated and I couldn't wait for it to end. But I kinda wish tchalla would've gone to space on some new cosmic faring adventure kinda like Eddie Brock post-God mode. A cosmic BP who's an emperor and hero would be a fair ascension.
Smh aggh why I can't have a deceit black superhero comic book
He's the Galactic Emperor you tripping with this garbage
Recast tchalla
If you truly feel this was a story that needed to tear down T'Challa, yet again; why don't you have that same energy for Namor and Atlantis?
I've read iron heart I kinda like Eve Ewing as a writer but I don't think it's gonna be a good run ,but I'm not as knowledgeable as blered it might work out who knows.
Don't know how anyone could like anything about the John Ridley run🤦🏾♂️. What run was worst than this ?
Joe Quesadilla on Spider-Man. I’d say they’re about even in terms of quality.
I will say Tosin's design looks dope
Marvel should make a 10 issue namor/bp team up book. With the right written it would be epic
A series with the two would be cool, but you prefer they team up and not fight? Things seem more interesting when they are clashing imo.
You know it always starts as a fight until they have a common enemy. I think if they made a book where they both had to put their egos aside to face a common enemy and became friendly in the process would be a good read.
This is the most horrible writing of black panther
Your point that people hate on how T'Challa is written, no matter who writes it or how is spot on. I didn't pick up this issue, though it is in my pull list...I might just stick it out into the next run.
Yes Namor is that petty sigh
The funniest thing about this run is how it happened roughly around the time that people were upset that the recast for BP didn't happen in the MCU lmao
Also find it interesting that Wakanda hates mutants and magic users but using a magical metal from space to make themselves wealthy is a-ok.
Wakanda doesn't hate mutants. What the fuck?
Wakanda is literally the ONLY nation that actually gave a fuck about helping mutants. Gentle is a prime example. Wakanda doesn't hate gentle for being a mutant. They just dislike he isn't full wakandan. And plus, wakanda are boujee assholes and have every right to be. Anybody who isn't wakanda their gonna have a problem with them regardless. Wakanda has even been mad at TChaka and TChalla for the fact they choose to marry outside of a wakandan. My point is wakanda don't hate mutants bro
You forget to mention the said country being lead by a man or woman who is bless by a goddess panther embrued with mystical powers, and the same metal that can enhance magic. In fact we had a magic user in BP b4 these girls
@Ampocalypse W lmao yeah. It's just I think it's hypocritical of Wakandans to hate mutants and magic users cuz they think they're "unnatural" meanwhile they're using vibranium that isn't even from earth.
Using magic to mutate themselves but hate magic and mutants lmaooo😂
@@mdyzward8553 exactly!
I’m actually more interested in Jed McKay’s Avengers run and seeing how he interacts with those characters. Especially Sam Wilson’s Captain America.
I kinda liked Buffalo Soldier and I hope we see him again
On John Ridley 's run (in the immortal words of HOMME the clown)HATED IT!!.T'CHALLA IN THE Hood, not really feeling that unless it's in WAKANDA or other communities in AFRICA.
I think all of BWFs breakdowns have been fair, and at this point I’m convinced the fanhood is divided into 3 parts - A) the side that wants T’Challa the Champion, to remain triumphant in every circumstance. Then there’s B), who are enjoying the drama of loss and gain that appears to add depth to T’Challa’s experience and that of Wakanda as a whole. And then me in the middle, teetering both sides.
I think T’Challa and Wakanda are highly underrepresented in all forms of media. We don’t have ANYTHING where T’Challa is catching Ws. Not movies, not cartoons, not video games, and clearly not his own comic run (except maybe Avengers). He went from Emperor to Exile like damn homie, in 2020 you was the man, homie! Wtf happened to…
But I also think the comics are directing Wakanda with its flaws in mind. If we were Wakandan, after all the attacks, our king galavanting abroad, we’re warring with each other, we’d probably have some issues too (speaking generally). Wakanda just isn’t a utopia, though it’s given that impression a number of ways. I respect challenging its ideals, though I don’t agree with how some writers have done it, because it’s felt forced.
I almost wish this story was swapped with Intergalactic Empire, which seemed to put T’Challa back on the throne, a higher one at that (figuratively and literally). This story ran like none of that even happened - I’d of much rather seen some space adventures. But the man could use a break. Heavy is the head! Like E said, it’s taking me back to Man Without Fear days for sure. Street level, low tech, instinctual T’Challa. Perhaps he’ll uncover a deeper threat to Wakanda he otherwise wouldn’t have noticed. He is, after all, still King of the Dead, still Black Panther. I’m personally hoping Folasade is lining herself up for failure. Tosin seemed cool when he was first introduced, but he’s another hard headed angsty teen that I’m actually hoping can be groomed by T’Challa or another great hero figure. I’m looking forward to Ewing’s run!
S/O to anyone who read all this because I have NOT had much time to speak in an audience that wasn’t all on Side A lmaooo
#WakandaAlliance
Good points. I agree with a lot of what you said, but I disagree with your framing of the 3 camps. I don't really think there's a camp that needs to see T'Challa triumphant in every circumstance. I think most ppl enjoy seeing characters pushed to their limit, the stakes just have to be believable and the characterization has to feel true to character. I've said it before, but it's why ppl don't dog Hickman's T'Challa or Priest's, he gets pushed to his limit, takes some Ls but still feels like "T'Challa" the whole time. That's all ppl really want, the bar is actually quite low lol
This
@@PureMoss you're spot on! It's not about the triumph, it's about the journey.
Absolutely correct about people hating on black panther regardless of the writer or storyline. Something about this character that gets the haters in their feelings 😂
Oh my God I swore it was called Black panther most dangerous man on Earth 🌍
I just couldn't get into this run. I loved the Coates run. It examined T'Challa and his flaws but in the end he learned from those. It was an epic, then this came out and seemed to be doubling down on the flaws(that Coates already addressed...). I'm excited for Ewing's run as i really enjoyed her run on Ironheart
I always thought Black Panther was basically Captain America of Wakanda, but over the past couple years I realized how much power he has... That's why I was absolutely pissed off they decided to not recast him in Black Panther 2.
black panther is not like captain america of wakanda bp is his on person
@@blackdragon6718 yes, that's why i said i thought he was just a captain america style super soldier...
@@austintrees ok cool
Only thing I didn't care for was the ending of Storm and T'Chala's relationship
It's like why end it. John wrote storm to be more of a hypocrite and betrayer then ever.
The fact storm basically betrayed him twice. Then proceeds to be mad at him for just having a body guard spy on her for protection. But then she goes and makes spies herself.
Precisely
@@BigReuben97 3x she ran back to the X-Men and did Wolverine.
@jay be easy all to make cry baby X-men fans happy because of huge Jackman kiss with Hallie. Storm and wolverines chemistry never fucking made sense to me. I know she went to wolverine the first time after the divorce and the second time in an X-men comic which makes no sense to me either. I don't remember the 3rd though.
@jay be easy it's even funnier because wolverine was literally made to not be an attractive person. When u think about it.
Dude is 5'3. If he isn't at the X mansion he's either in the woods or at a bar getting into bar fights. So wolverine either smells fuckinh musty or he smells like alcohol daily. All while being hairy and short. 😭. I don't know not one woman who would sleep with someone who has that kind of lifestyle unless it's a country girl. Other then that it makes no sense how he's pulling all these women.
And he's in a poly with cyclops and Jean like what? 😂
And I just want to break this to you real quick just because your culture has been. Decimated does not mean that you can take on a fictional country and their culture.
Keep in mind of Wanda telling Ororo that she is a part of The Sisterhood, however, this might be upon the magic users of the Marvel Universe, and not strictly Wakanda.
Yeah I think the "Sisterhood" in Wakanda and the other sisterhood that Wanda's talking about are different groups.
Bro is that how you see T'challa as a street level character?🤔 Little sad to hear that. After the years it took to build him up to the level of Cap and Tony. You want to turn him to Knight Thrasher?🤔 Come on.
Right, this is the same man who was able to take down the FF, fight Kilmonger for almost a week with a few hr break, beaten or equal to that of spiderman.
I like it, whenever characters go down to the purview of the regular person to see how they adapt and change for the better. They did the same for iron man and captain america, why not t'challa ?
@@fullmetal2455 Bc this already happen in a previous arc during the whole intergalactic wakanda, and the writer of this book is problematic seeing as he doesn't like his own ppl
@@IronheartvsMiles I'm talking in general for example batman previously in his run lost wanye interprizes then setup batman incorporated. Or Ironman and civil war one. I don't hate this specific run of BP but it's not horrible and I like the setup they are giving him to build off in the future
@@IronheartvsMiles What?🤔 Do you know how many upgrades T'challa has been given since he first faced off against the Fantastic Four? When did you start reading Black Panther comics?🤔 Please explain. Also Popularity wise he wasn't. Hell to be honest T'challa was and is to some degree the good guy version of Dr. Doom. Do you want Steve or Tony to be street level?🤔
T’challa has been done so dirty i don’t have the words 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️ there’s no good black superheroes or Supervillains
Dirtyyyyyyyy. And it's a damn crime.
No good black superheroes or villains? Do you read comics?
@@PaulSmith-nb6md you know damn well Blue Marvel & Icon ain’t beating superman. The thing i love about black superheroes is that they are very smart
@@PaulSmith-nb6md man that’s for sure. No black superheroes is touching Dr manhattan
@@SANGO697 so to humor your statement with crossing two different properties and they would never face each other, Whether they are a Black, White, Martian, Marvel, DC, Wildstorm, Valiant, no one beats Superman. He’s figuratively and artistically just built different.
Marvels Black superheroes don’t get good comic runs. They have to spend all their time justifying not using their power against racists and killing all the Black revolutionaries so the white heroes don’t have to. Black people exist under similar conditions to mutants in Marvel and yet Wakanda does nothing, Krakoa does nothing, Sam Wilson does nothing, Blue Marvel does nothing. Miles Morales doesn’t want to be Black. Blade is too busy hunting vamps… so on and so forth. Jubilee has done more for mutants than any of marvels big name Black heroes have done for black people
Ernie I love your channel but your “Black Panther” analysis is way off base when speaking towards what other people don’t like about it. If you personally like it though, that’s fine, everybody won’t like the same things. But this book caught a lot of flack from a lot of people for a reason.
Indeed especially seeing as a black man who hates black ppl
That’s enough this “ writers must stop screwing with t’challa “
6 years with Coates 1 year with Ridley this ain't new
I guessing he takes over the Galactic Empire and like Maddie Pryor opens Embassy in New York.
That’s it's dope blerd shirt
I’m calling talk no jutsu on this!!!
John wright is horrible writing for black men
Ridley
Any this run was thrash and not creative
Who cares if Imani is non-binary?
Other people do for those that are non binary
Besides Spawn
If BP is not the leader of wakanda, who takes the herb? and what does Tchalla bring to the avengers without his resources?
Whoever is Black Pamther takes tue herb. The King and the Black 0anther doesn't have to be the same person.
Doomwar
@@buckshot9297 Will black panther get the same resources and support or will they just be another garden variety super soldier? He's removing the things that make BP tick -royalty, guards, authority, resources etc.
I mean he’s still a beast and a super genius I say he brings a lot to the avengers team
@@mdyzward8553 I always forget he's genius. They don't use that side of him much
This story is crap.
Can you do a character history video on Falcon Sam Wilson?
what you said about them realizing theyre both right and wrong, and T'challa growing to hate aspects of what he's become; that was really quite poignant and beautiful. But the way it was written and illustrated in the comic? boyyyy that was some hot trash. This version of Wakanda is a whole lot like a Wakanda that has been colonized and that defeats the entire point.
I feel like they're doing to T'Challa what DC did to Batman recently. Not really a bad thing, though
13:40 "bed" not be Christopher Priest....I'm just saying....consequences and repercussions will be in place.
Right.
Because only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Folasade is pronounced Fola "SHA" dey
Black Panther is not Daredevil or Spider-man he is king of the most powerful nation on the planet and emperor of a wakandan galactic empire. Until we’re back here I am out
Amen to that
I wonder would he joined night hawk. I hate how they did him
The Black Panther needs to find himself again
13:30-13:40- Let me guess , Christopher Priest .
I’m good with the plot I just don’t like T’Challa getting nerfed all the time
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Honestly, this was a very different run. I'm actually happy we actually addressed some of the criticisms about T'Challa and Wakanda as a whole. I know folks are not that to tells not King anymore but 1, I could have sworn we all learned a while ago that monarchies are bad & 2, this really makes T'Challa a man of the people now. He's not in his palace in the Golden City. He now will love among the citizens, experience average... Well as average a life in Wakanda can be.
He can't live in Wakanda because he was exiled and had his citizenship revoked
He was always kinda like that. He was only really in the Palace when big things happened and/or he needed to be. Mainly because wakanda was almost crime free ( in the past, probably not so much recently). Yh it's great that monarchies are shown as bad but doesn't mean tchalla couldn't be the prime minister or president in the democracy. You don't need to remove him totally from power to remove the monarchy. Atleast make him the head of security rather than just kick him out.
Too many of y'all are acting like addressing flaws about Wakanda and T'Challa is some grand subversion and long time coming, but it's not. It literally happened for 6 years with the last run. Monarchy bad, sad T'Challa, was the entire thematic throughput of the Coates era. I do not understand why you guys keep acting like this was new or novel idea when BP comics have exclusively been doing this exact same story post Secret Wars lol, that's why ppl are complaining about the run cuz they're burnt out on that deconstructionist storytelling.
@@brumtownmiller6130 facts he has been a man of the people since the beginning
@@PureMoss they don't read that's why
9:30 Thanks for the lesson on pronouns.
This run started out very weird but it definitely found its footing somewhat towards the end. I do feel they should've done more with the Intergalactic Empire but that got shoved to the side real quick. Got no doubt even in the next run they'll still pretend the Intergalactic empire doesn't exist
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Is it just me or I'm I hearing Nigeria Yoruba names in this black panther issue... Hmmmmmm
All I can say is I hope Jhai isn’t actually dead because I wouldve liked to see him and t’challa as a dynamic duo, good cop bad cop.
The John David Ridley run on Black Panther has had its low and high points , but gave Tchalla some good character cleaning that was needed to square his relationships with his family, subjects, and allies especially with some of the other Avengers.
Wrong he crapped all over T'challa
Yesss ernie great review and i am 1 of the few that like the series and direction its going . Oh also i wonder if Folasade is pronounced Floa sha de, I dated a lady with that same name lol.
Most of the people who hated this run just hated it because black panther wasn't winning and being right all the time all they want is a comic book where there's no growth and no examination of the character or his flaws this is why Superman is boring
Lmao how wrong you are💀💀💀
The entire storyline literally took a shat on TChalla 😭
Not only was he losing to people he should've beat. But first John takes away tchallas masculinity in front of the woman who looked up to him(Dora Milaje, Storm, Shuri Damm near)
He gets his ass beat by jhai when tchalla would've dogged him with one hand.
TChalla telling storm "jhai was the only man I ever cared about"...
Despite this comicbook run not only being jhais first appearance, but then he tells this to storm his ex wife. Like u mean to tell me Shuri, Queen Romanda, TChaka, Azzuri, Storm, are less important then Jhai? 😂
TChalla basically being mentality weak going against Buffalo solider and completely gets his ass beat to a new character with no build up? 😭
Tchalla being king of the dead? Having 1,000,000 years of strenght, speed, fighting styles, fighting experience, Can Summon The dead, Can Summon his past ancestors to help aid fight him, having on-go technology with his necklace, and yet he's sitting back getting his ass beat?.
The entire store they keep telling TChalla "he's not king anymore" or "we won't follow u anymore tchalla since you aren't king"
Meanwhile TCHALLA IS AN INTERGALACTIC "EMPEROR" OF "5 GALAXIES".
And yet they're telling him he's not king anymore? 😭 this story was completely trash to me. It only had 4 good things I liked about the story and 2 of them were literally already told by Christopher preist. 😂.
Well you just told on yourself that you didn't read the last run at all
@@htownboss6422 lol exactly. this is a reductionist argument that ppl with no critical thinking skills make to defend this run. There's so many legitimate issues with this run that tryna reduce it to "you just mad T'Challa took Ls" is just foolish.
I just love hearing you explain comics it’s like what my big brother would do when I was a child which is why I love Batman soooooo much and my X-men.
Especially when you uplift my favorite character in all of comics Ororo Munroe Storm Season ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽🥹🫠😭🤓
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