The BEST CAMP STOVE for International Overland Travel
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2020
- You might be surprised to learn the most obvious and common choice for a stove in an Overland Vehicle is clearly NOT the best choice when it comes to International Overlanding.
I discuss the various options, and layout the pros and cons of each before explaining why I use the stove I do, and why I think it's clearly the best choice.
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Pro Tip: The Folgers 25OZ red coffee container makes for a PERFECT case for this stove. It practically snaps in.
Thank you great timing I was just about to throw mine out much appreciated
That's some overlanding advice you don't get from just anywhere.
Hang about! Did he just say that butane cannister stoves can be used inside because they don’t produce carbon monoxide? he said “they don’t produce fumes”- Surely that is not true? I would never use a fuel burning device indoors, and that includes alcohol.
I had a coleman dual fuel stove when I lived in Australia and all my friends thought it was dumb... until we went on the canning stock route and I still had an endless supply of fuel/cooking while they were worrying about how much Gas/Propane they had left... living in the USA these days and guess what kind of stove I have lol. Awesome, Educational videos mate. you can't beat lessons learned knowledge.
Very cool! I look forward to tackling the Canning one day, I'll make sure I take my coleman
agree, I've used mine all over Australia, some of my mates thought it was dumb too, until mine kept working and they were having issues with gas bottles etc, now I'm asked "where can I get one"
@@TheRoadChoseMe I hope you had it with you!
I’ve used the small Coleman dual fuel for about 40 years. I had a job that allowed me to camp 70-80 days a year and I used it a lot. I’ve seen guys have their butane bottle leak, I have also seen someone strip the treads on their small stove putting it together. These stoves also work great in the cold. I live in Alaska.
Been using the single and double burners for a while now. If the generator becomes clogged, you can fix it in seconds by applying heat to the generator and it burns off. You can also reduce carbon build up by giving the stove a blast for 30 seconds on full power before you turn it off if you have been simmering for a while. Its when on low that carbon build up usually happens. I carry a chef's torch with me and use that to start the stoves. By applying heat to the generator for about 20 seconds before lighting, the generator is clean, heated up and the flame is instantly blue with no yellow flames which soot up the stove and your pots/kettle.
Great tip! Thank you.
Thanks for the tip I have a torch and I could do that
I guess a pocket rocket would work as a blow torch?
Sorry man I can't let your statement go by me without commenting. This is the one about the MSR style stoves. I've had mine nearly 30 years. I purchased when I deployed to Bosnia in 1994. It was used extensively then, and every other tour I've deployed on with the Canadian Forces. In Afghanistan the fuel we could get was JP8 its like diesel or kerosene. I never had an issue starting or running the stove on any fuel I put into it.
Your friends who were tinkering with theirs every day must have either a bad stove, or totally incompetent in their use of it. I've never seen any issues with the many stoves I've seen of this sort. I've also never had to buy a "repair kit" The little Coleman Naptha stove is nice I've used them also a lot in the CF , they dont provide the heat that the MSR does.
A wind blocker can easily cause the Coleman to heat up, if your not careful with the same shield it has no issues as the tank is remote from the burner.
czcams.com/video/M72MqI9Vh6k/video.html I talk about my 30+ year old MSR in this video
I have used a butane canister stove for serious hiking the past 15 years. But for everyday car/truck camping, I still use my 1980 bought Colman 400 white gas stove. Still works like when new.
Your input is always appreciated. Thanx a million.
The Coleman single burner was born out of military specifcations for a stove for infantrymen in WW2. Coleman produced them under budget, under time limit, and with superior specifications as to weight, size and weather resistance. Today's stoves are even better. With all the CZcamss out there over the past 8 years, word has gotten out thatt they are far, far better than ANYTHING else on the market, IF you don't require super tiny gear that can only cook Barbie Size meals. I use my singles and doubles at least 15 times per month - outside in my patio kitchen because we don't have gas in the house galley.
As an adecdotal note, I've been camping for 40 years, and seen ALL the developments and evolutions in gear, both in lightweight and car weight. That said, I have been amused at more than a few times when people with the latest and greatest are frustrated that they can't get a good cook-on with the various over complicated devices out there. It's rather funny to be eating my full-on breakfast out of a nice carbon steel 10 inch pan when it's snowing, while my buddy has given up and is trying to start a wet wood fire, heh,heh,heh.... I did eventually share with him - after a few long minutes. He bought a Coleman 442 after that.
Good stuff! I grew up with the dual-burner version. It's dead-nuts reliable, and the design is basically unchanged for like 50 years. You should also consider the Svea 123 as a backup. It's a self-primer and also burns both white gas and unleaded gasoline. It has a self-cleaning jet/valve and doesn't require pumping up. For times you want to run more silently, an alcohol stove takes up very little space and burns cleanly. The ethanol and denatured alcohol is widely available as well.
1937 primus 00 as gifted to me as a boy by my grandfather has been all over the globe and never let me down once. Aint broke don't fix it.
Used one in the army nearly 20 years ago, great piece of kit!!!!
please keep these reviews / recommendations videos coming!
Will do! New videos coming every Monday and Thursday - make sure you subscribe so you don't miss one.
A friend gave me the exact same one. Great video! Thank you!
You made a good point about the different adapters.
Couldn't agree more, I've had one for over 25 years and it's still cooking'!
Thanks for sharing your experience!!!
8:45 Backpacker here.
The generator is a brass tube which is located in the flame. Fuel passing thru this tube gets hot and vaporizes. This vapor squirts thru the "jet" in the very end of the generator tube. The orifice is probably 5 or 10 thousandths of an inch-- lots smaller than a sewing needle. The fine stainless wire which lives in the generator tube is connected to the valve on one end, and pokes thru the jet orifice in the other. This fine stainless steel wire is for poking out clogs in the jet, and does so every time you actuate the valve.
Coleman Fuel and its generic equivalents have burned extremely cleanly for me, and pump gas clogs up my multifuel MSR stove rapidly. Some people report that a splash (ounce or two) of carburetor cleaner in their stove's gasoline tank keeps pump gas from clogging their stoves for a longer period of time.
Back to the Coleman Dual Fuel stove: If you take the clogged generator off, the jet is a TINY hexagon screw threaded thing. With a delicate hand and tools that fit, unscrew it, spray out the generator tube with carburetor cleaner and physically clean out the clogged jet by sloshing in this same solvent. Reassemble gently.
On a side note: diesel is a notoriously dirty burning fuel, instant clogs in anything, and is a waste of time.
Is it the ethanol gas? Try ethanol free gas. I use it in chain saws and yard tools so they don't him up
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sorry man I've run mine on diesel and yest its dirty , but I run mine for a minute or so at full chat to heat it up and it burns it all away
@@PlayingWithFireOutdoors Go over to Spiritburner.com and repeat that :D
@@kevinyoung1226 no its not judt ethenol gas, all auto gas has additives for anti wear. It turns to a chard gum in lanterns/stoves. Either use campfuel (naptha) or convert stove/lantern to run kerosene, it will run Jet-A jet fuel too
The exact stove I have used for the last 20 years. Still works like a charm
If you find yourself in a spot without a spare generator, take the little gas tip and cleaning wire out of your clogged one, reinstall it, empty the fuel tank, pump it up with about 80 pumps, heat the generator with a propane torch and open the valve. Get it red hot and keep pumping air and heating it end to end until the rancid smoke stops coming out. You can swivel the generator off to the side to make this easier. Let it cool, run some fresh clean fuel under pressure through it. Turn it off, loosen the fuel cap to de pressurize it. Remove the generator and reinstall the gas tip and wire and it should run like new. This seems like a lot of stuff, but only takes a few minutes. Probably less time than it took me to explain it. They quit making these and generators will become scarce/expensive over time. Just don't throw them away. They are serviceable. Stay safe out there.
I have a 505 and a 500 Coleman single burner, that's all I use for camping. Very dependable.
Great video! Spot on. I'm motorcycle camping South America...Coleman 533...perfect application.
you are a simple guy who loves overland and give us a great help to start an overland life !
amazing. thank you !
My pleasure!
I enjoyed your presentation!😊
priceless knowledge friend! Your videos have saved me such a learning curve! (And money!)
Glad to help!
Great advice, and thank you for the logical discussion behind your pick. Please continue to discuss your experiences and general advice.
Thank you! Will do!
I use the Coleman petrol duel fuel for more then 30 years!!!! The best there is, and fuel everywhere in the world! 👍💪✌️👌
Spot on 👍 we currently have the single Colman petrol burner, it's fantastic and kicks out a lot of heat compared to gas equivalent, good advice
Just bought one on your recommendation. Thanks.
I have an assortment of stoves and cookers for travel but my go to stove for SHTF is that very same Coleman dual fuel stove. I've also got the dual burner version.
Found a old Colman 442 still in the box at a yard sale that might have been used once. I just pulled it out and will be using it for my first little expedition on the TAT. Glad to see anther guy keeping it simple in travel and logic of camping stoves. Cheers.
Very useful recommendation. Thank you!
Your channel is inspiring. Love your videos
Glad you enjoy it!
I love these stoves and still have the first one my Dad bought for me 25+ years ago. With all the spares parts being available and how simple they are they really are a good choice for being out in remote places. They also do really well in the cold where gas bottles can struggle.
I’ve had a real struggle finding a new placement generator for mine here in Australia, so hard to find I switched to an msr 😢
Dan, love your videos. I would love to see a video on all the aftermarket modifications you added to the Jeep
Thanks! Absolutely, there will be many videos about the various bits n pieces.
I almost sold my Coleman 442, bought it 20+years ago, glad I kept it.
My MSR came with all the fitings I needed. I did not have to buy anything extra (that was in 2020), I used it all the time Never had a problem with gasoline or the camp gas. I still have it ,it's still running strong.
I love this stove. I have had mine for close to 20 years. I normally run the Coleman Camp fuel. I have run regular gas as well. Over that time I have had to replace my generator only once due to fuel in the canister going bad before I was able to use it up.
Excellent video! I was thinking about buying a stove system like MSR or Jet boil but it didn’t make sense to because of the fuel in other countries. Ty for the great advice 🤙🏾
It’s videos like this from Dan. That show me and I’m sure many others. Just how little we actually know about long distance overlanding.
Our own ideas vs reality.
I’m also quickly learning 4 days of local area camping is vastly different from true long distance overlanding lol
I enjoyed the concerns shared about transitioning between countries. On your journey, I appreciated how you took care to mention the interactions as you crossed. Might be interesting to share an overview/trends for how to make life easier with customs/guards/timing, etc.
Great suggestion! I hadn't thought of that one, and I just added it to my list. I will film if for sure, I have a lot to say!
I agree with others making comments, simply brilliant information and stove; spending your time adventuring not scrounging parts for fancy stoves should be everybody’s priority!
Very good info. Appreciated 👍
Great video 👍
I agree with the Coffee statement! ☕️😊 specially if it’s Costa Rican coffee! 😃 Great video Dan! Very informative!
Thanks to you, I agree!
Conoce mop!
One of the best advices I have heard about camp stoves. On the other hand, I like the Jeep license plate very much, with the gold prospector man.
Right on, that plate went right around Africa!
Excellent advice!!😎👍
Thanks 😊 great info without flash or commercial twist 👍
Glad it was helpful, plenty more videos coming! Every Monday and Thursday a new one goes online.
I just bought one…..after spending countless €€€€€ on other hi tech ultralight etc etc. Wish I had know about this stove before. Great video.
Nice video ! I have a Coleman single burner and it's about 25 YEARS OLD
Again very useful. I have a Coleman 2 burner and also 2 Coleman gas lanterns as well. I do not like the mantles and use re-chargeable battery lamps that charge solar and by 12 v outlets. I use the gas light when with friends occasionally. Also with new mantles the gas lamps are very durable with low maintenance. I do not transport the lamps with the globes installed. That makes a little problem but it makes the mantle changes easier. I try to only use the lamps when I intend to stay a few days for rain or site seeing and walkabout. There is something about a Coleman lamp that makes this worth it for me.
Good video, keep them coming!
Thanks, will do! New videos every Monday and Thrsday!
Thanx for this - I had the same logic tract and ended up with a few dual burner Colemans (a 425,431, 4M and a 413) that I am experimenting with - I am settling on the 413 so far and while old - it is large enough for a griddle. Will probably use straight Naptha for North America. Apparently, you need to be sure that you avoid Ethanol, but IIUC only Canada and the US add ethanol to fuel. On one of the stove deals, I got the dual-fuel lantern to boot with the stove. Most are $20 to $50 and clean up real nice with elbow grease, sand paper and rattle can.
Totally agree with this. I have the coleman 442 featherweight version of this. Had it since 1995. Changed the generator once, and the pump seal twice. Use it a few times a year camping or backpacking. For it's size, it can crank heat. Recently got a Mr. Funnel AF1CB Fuel Filter for it, which supposedly filters water and dirt out of the gas. Coleman white gas burns more clean though. Burning regular gas is more smelly, and leaves more carbon on the stove, but it works.
Great video, I use the same stove since 1990, use sometimes Coleman fuel to clean it, but normally it will work everywhere.
Good to know!
Thanks for confirming my choice 😁 and if I need a dual burner I’ll buy a second 👍
My mate bought a double unit.They are excellent.Boils water in a jiffy.
I have a closet full of various vintage coleman stoves I've collected over the decades.
I've heard they work just fine everywhere, including Everest.
Thanks. I’m ordering one.
spot on ! I have been using this colman stove for years here in canada when i go back packing, year round. in winter its necessary to put a fameable paste just under the generator. with a small frame the generator is heated suficiently to allow the stove to be ignited in the normal manner. as a rule of thumb cooking in winter weather consumes 3 times the amount of fuel compared to cooking in warmer weather. also, because i am carrying my stove in my back pack I looked for and found a perfect to size padded camera lens case to project my stove during my travels. zen billings in canada
Been using one of these as well as the two burner stove for more than 30 years, always reliable, such a clever, simple design. Yes I do use gas as well but these are my go to for most occasions.
Great advice 😀
Thank you for the tip I’m subbing now
Funny, I bought that exact model of Coleman stove second hand (but virtually never used) for $20 as my emergency backup stove. After running out of little butane canisters for my primary stove (and not finding any more) I switched to a dual burner propane stove. Then I thought I'd try the little dual fuel stove and fell in love with it and used it exclusively for the rest of the trip. When I restart my trip once COVID is a memory it will be the only stove I bring with me. Great video!
Great to hear it has worked well and become your favourite!
Great advice.
Agree with you Coleman vs MSR. Coleman's are bomb proof👍
The little brother to the stove you use is what I've used for winter and canoe trips for over thirty years.
Thanks for the info.
Great to hear it's been going strong for 30 years!
Very wise video.....I don't do overland adventures.....but I do weekend outings and the Coleman 533 is my go to stove.....I use Coleman white fuel in mine.....keeps everything nice and clean....but I can use unleaded gasoline in a pinch.....great video.
A good Posting .. thanks.
Another option is the SVEA 123. Minimum moving parts and it has been on the Market a long time. I have its cousin, the Optimus 8R Hunter .. uses the same burner mechanism .. just in a different housing.
Bought new in the mid 70's and since then, I replaced the graphite seal in the burner control stuffing box about 10 years ago and just last year, the gasket in the fuel tank cap / relief valve (didn't have to, but thought that after +45 years, it might be a good idea).
I agree on the MSR .. too many fiddly plastic bits. The SVEA and 8R .. No plastic. All metal, except for the inner seals, gaskets and such .. plus the burner control key is all that is needed to (if ever required to) service the stove.
Tale care ..
I agree with the choice of a Coleman 533: It is not perfect for everything & I personally would never let car petrol anywhere near one unless in an emergency. It depends on how much rubbish is in petrol locally. At least a generator change is cheap and simple: 1 spanner & a cross-head screwdriver.
I just bought a new 533 BTW.
Very useful info, I've never ventured outside USA/Canada by vehicle. Always thought the 1 pound propane bottles were available everywhere
NICE...I had my Peak-1(coleman) multi-fuel stove single burner since 76 made in the U.S.A. it operates with two generators,one for coleman fuel and the other kerosene.Great content...Collingwood,Ontario
Very cool! I need to checkout more of these Coleman stoves that have options to burn more fuel types!
I have definitely cooked hundreds of meals with my Coleman. You can also run it with alcohol, which will clean it out if you get some dirty fuel. It burns less hot on alcohol, but still works great.
Love the video
Could not help but totally agree! Our old dual burner is still going strong after 35yrs. The "new" dual burner is a bit prettier to look at. Bought an unused as new 25yr old three burner for bigger cook ups ... and our single burner (identical to yours) travels with us every trip...bought a billy that it fits in perfectly in so convenience 101! Two things; unlike butane or LPG, the stoves work perfectly in icy conditions and you don't have to guess how much fuel you have left....
I absolutely agree with you about the multifuel option. My preference is for the Svea 123 simply because it really needs no maintenance. I had a Coleman and, when you use them regularly, they are, as you said, ultra-reliable. However, if you store them for a year or two, you'll find that they then need maintenance. With the Svea, you can have them in storage for decades and they'll still fire up.
I don't do overlanding, but I do tours on motorbikes, and the simplicity of filling a multifuel system is the so much better than the butane/propane alternatives. I used to get through a lot of canisters (I did all my own cooking, almost never going to restaurants) and I'd get through 2, 3 or even 4 canisters in a week! With the Svea, a single fill lasts for about weeks.
BTW, I hadn't been camping for about 20 years, and that's why I know about the servicing of Coleman gear. I simply couldn't find anywhere that had the parts for servicing it and no shop would do it for me. I ended up throwing the thing out.
I'm actually thinking about getting another Svea for when I go camping en famille, but I want to create a 2 Svea base that will be more stable The design's in my head, I just need to make it now.
There is one other advantage of liquid fuels; they work at all temperatures.
OTOH, there is one disadvantage that you need to be aware of; In some countries using petrol/white fuel etc. may be banned because they're considered a fire hazard. I believe that much of the USA doesn't allow their use except in specific locations.
Well I have to say I have an Optimus dual fuel stove. Bought it New Zealand 20 years ago never cleaned it once. But totally agree these type of stoves are the best.
which one? do they still make it or similar
I love Coleman Duel Fuel stoves and lanterns too for exactly the same reason that you stated, they are dependable, simple to replace the pump or generator and burn Coleman fuel or automotive gasoline.
Late to this party. I’ve used two identical Coleman dual fuel burners that fit on a piece of wood with a routed hole the same size as the burner base for 25 years now. It makes it a steady dual burner cooker. I’ve even got a dual fuel lantern (but don’t use it now because battery lanterns are better). It’s one of those things that when you lean how to use them, they just work. Best advantage, they don’t take up much room compared to other cooking options.
I have a Coleman single burner and a double burner. They last for decades. But the ability to buy parts sometimes go away. So if you are going to buy a Coleman get a box full of generators a other small parts to really maximize your purchase.
I have a double and a triple burner that I can't get generators for.
Best Wishes! M.H.
Check out oldColemanparts.com or ereplacementparts.com to get the parts you need. I’ve got some old two and 3 burner Coleman stoves. Never had a problem getting what I need. Check them out.
Just get one spare genorator and that should last a lifetime. Most folks replace them when they clog but it's completely unnecessary. when they clog swap in a clean on and soak the clogged one in vinegar few a few hours. I've been running the same 2 generators for over 30 years using this method. Stove sees an average of 15 to 20gal of gas a year. Believe me I've run some real nasty fuel in this thing.
I use both an MSR Whisperlite and Coleman 825B fulltime (Coleman for Dinner and MSR for breakfast/Coffee). The Coleman is less fussy for sure and great for larger meals, but you cannot beat the heat output of the MSR and strength of the flame which makes it ideal for windy/cold environments.
Great points. I bought the msr for motorcycle trips. Dual purpose, gas for the bike in emergencies and for cooking! I didn't think about the fuel quality overseas and the effects on that style of stove though. I must say very educational and thanks!
There has been no effects with my stove 4 6+month infantry type tours in Bosnia 94 2000. and AFG in 02 and 09. really nasy fuel provided. Just try not to get any big chunky bits into your fuel tank. IE use a funnel with a screen !
I also have not heard, that the msr is so fragile; I got a used one of ebay, but use the Coleman more offen - ease of use
I live in Wichita Kansas USA where the Coleman company headquarters is & they have supplied me with camping equipment for decades I would recommend there products over most others.
Absolutely agree. The other key factor is waste -- these Coleman (and other white gas / naptha, and dual fuel) stoves do not create as much container waste as the other options. The drawback to the model you use (same as the one I use) is that it's fairly heavy, so any backpacking away from the vehicle equals more weight on the back. Nice video, sir!
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I purchased the same stove in November 1990 and it still goes strong. I have been all over several deserts and it always works. I even used the diesel adapter a few times and it is rock solid the best and reliable stove ever! simple is best and this stove is easy to use and put away.
Good to know! - I hope I'll still be using mine in a few decades too!
Very helpful, thanks
Great tip. I just found your channel and I loved the content so far. I've been to Africa a few times but never with a car. I don't know if you've covered this or not but it'd be nice if you talked a little bit about how to get the carnet de passage. And more specifically the costs involved. Cheers.
Thanks for the suggestion! I will film an episode on that for sure.
Yep got me one of these and just brought a second one cos the price was really great
I had the Coleman in mind, before watching your video. Propane or Butan on a Ferryboat is not welcome and my Wrangler ist running with gas also. That's why I considered the Coleman. Thanks for proofing!
I use one for my motorcycle kit - Its been discontinued - better try to grab one if you can find one - I have loved these style for over 30 years
I have that same stove, had for at least 20 yr some rust but works fine
Also, propane and butane are less reliable than white gas in colder weather. But Coleman also made three burner stoves. 426 (classic) and 428 ( deul feul.) So if you're going car camping or running in an RV, you can do a griddle and a coffee pot or camp toaster at the same time. They are way easier to maintain than propane stoves as well.
Thanks! Great info.
You bet!
Back in the 70s & 80s we used the dual burner Coleman stove. They worked well and the fuel lasted long. While propane is easier this type of stove is the long term choice.
I use a Coleman 440 stove which is the version before your 533 sportster. I backpack and car camp with it and it's ultra reliable.
Another great video, thanks! Check out the Trangia multi-fuel stove. Expensive but will burn petrol, diesel and white gas, as well as the butane canisters. Unlike other stoves it actually works better when it’s windy... handy out on the steppe. Safe travels
I actually used a Trangia every day from Alaska to Argentina on my first expedition!
I have the trangia kit, also the optimus multi fuel stove . Trangia if not in a hurry and like no noise. Primus if in a hurry but sounds like a jet on high.
Vintage Coleman stoves for the win. A good 413 dual burner is easily maintained today and runs well on white gas (naptha) or gasoline (petrol) for years to come! Running on gasoline just requires a little more maintenance on things like the generator.
I've been using one of those Coleman stoves for 15 years and works faultlessly. I use petrol (gasoline) mostly and occasionally shellite.
and with all the use it has been subjected to, I recently replaced the pump as the piston cup was worn and is now back to working perfectly. pays to put a drop of engine oil on the piston cup every now and then to make the pump operate smoothly and dont overfill other wise petrol gets back into the pump unit.
in very cold weather i preheat the generator tube buy running a flame off a cigarette lighter for a few seconds, then it fires up with a blue flame instead of a smoky yellow flame
Thanks! Great to know it will be going strong fo so many years!
very useful & cool
Its called the Sportster 2 because it is a lightly updated versions of the Coleman 502 Sportster. I have a 502 that was manufactured in 1963 and still going camping. Save yourself some money and find a good used older Coleman. Cheaper than a new one and nearly indestructible.
I have one of these, and I swear by it - excellent piece of kit, for all the reasons given in this video. I also have an MSR Dragonfly, which works on the same principle, and is just as good in that you can also (if really necessary!!!) use diesel or kerosene by changing the nozzles which comes in the spares kit (mentioned). Butane is great, if you can get it, but petrol stoves are probably the safest option when it comes to getting fuel internationally.
Excellent!