Tram-versing the London Trams! (Part 1)
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- Tram-versing the London Trams! I am visiting every single tram stop on the London Trams (part 1 of 2).
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The chimneys at Ampere Way are the last remaing parts of Croydon Power Station, which was closed in 1990. The chimneys are grade II listed. The rest of the site was developed into the IKEA store and Warners Multiplex. The road that serves IKEA & Warners was named Ampere Way as a reference to the power station.
Thanks a lot Kevin!
part of Terry Gilliam's film "Brazil" was also filmed inside the power station
The older trams from 2000 are Bombardier CR4000s. 24 were built. 23 remain in service. 2551 was withdrawn after the Sandilands disaster. They are numbered 2530 to 2553. The reason for this is that the highest numbered London Transport tram was 2529. Money from the Network North HS2 plan has been given to TFL to order replacements for the CR 4000s. Tenders have recently been issued. The more modern trams built between 2010 & 2012 are Staedtler Variobahns. There are 12, numbered between 2554 & 2565.
The Croydon trams got money from HS2 being cancelled?
Tells you all you need to know about the government's priorities!!
Went for a quick look and I have to agree about it. The original CR4000's are basically Flexity Link trams, similar to the K4000 in Cologne and Typ T in Vienna. For back in the days, it is really cool rolling stock by means of design. Surprisingly there is a more modern version of the Typ T on the road in Vienna, namely the Typ T1. Also the Variobahn's are really cool trams. A little correction: The name of the manufacturer is not STAEDLER but STADLER.
@@quintuscrinis8032not sure quite how that works. Given that HS2 is essentially via borrowing and the money for the cancelled bits is not now being borrowed. Bit of sophistry from the government? 🤔
@@MontytheHorseBecause Tory that's how
Imagine that this an old railway
Has the amount of passengers raised since the line has been transformed to a tramline
Croydon born and bred but now living in Cornwall.I am old enough (born 1938) to remember and ride on the original trams in Croydon! If I remember correctly there were 3 different routes numbers 16,18 and 42.We used to have two trolleybus routes (630 and 654) as well. I regularly used the 654 to get to school. I also remember the all electric all Pullman "Brighton Belle" passing through East Croydon non stop London Victoria to Brighton.
Putting your knickers on your head in that part of London is actually a sign you've pulled 😂😂😂 (totally not speaking from experience)
Course 😂
I’ve been on the Tramlink lots of times and it’s still the best tram network in South London. There were plans to build a Tramlink 2 line from Colliers Wood to Sutton but that has been cancelled.
Sounds about right
Never knew that London had a tram network, thought it was all buses and trains (and the Woolwich Ferry). I need to visit Croydon as I want to see the site of the former Croydon Airport.
It’s not London, it’s Surrey.
@@davidhamm7909
It’s been a London borough since 1964 or ‘65.
It is still Surrey to me as the address croydon Surrey,hate London
I've said it before, and I'm saying it again - for shifting a lot of people from place to place in a large, congested city, trams are a brilliant way to do it. Never been anywhere in London so this is great to see.
Not only in London but still, but still I agree about that. An average of over 150 passengers can drive along with a tram like these.
@@djtraxxehv1058 Exactly.
and in many cases it's also an excellent way to re-use derelict railway lines
@@lefthandedspanner The London Trams gave the prove for that ;)
In TFL's fare structure, the trams are classed as buses. The fare is £1.75, with a daily cap of £5.25. If changing to National Rail at Beckenham Junction, Birkbeck, Elmers End, Mitcham Junction, & Wimbledon, you need to touch your contactless card on a yellow oyster reader when entering the NR platform. When changing on to or from the District Line at Wimbledon, you need to tap your card on the purple Oyster validator on the District Line platforms.
There is one Out Of Station Interchange on the Tram network. Its Morden Road Tram Stop and South Wimbledon Station on the Northern Line. You are allowed 20 minutes between tapping at one & tapping in at the other. Or, thanks to the hopper fare (unlimted bus & tram trips in 70 mins for £1.75) you can get a 93 bus two stops.
Hey there G! Off on tour again? Croydon trams are a great way to use the old, disused railway corridors and open up the old tram routes again. A friend I had in Croydon hated them but I took to the idea better than she did, although she did get to like the accessability. I'm glad you've managed to do some more tram video recording as it's a much changed place since I was last there. At a lot lower cost than Edinburgh but hey, Brexstuff! Catch up again and take care. All the best. Cheers!
There is a rare reminder of good Network SouthEast at Waddon Marsh. On the footpath down the bridge under Purley Way, there are 5 red NSE lampposts, ending where Waddon Marsh Station was sited. The current tram stop was moved a couple of hundred yards closer to the Purley Way retail stores.
Parts of the Wimbledon branch, at Waddon Marsh, and between Mitcham & Morden Rd actually run over the first horse drawn railway in the UK, the Surrey Iron Railway. It was a freight railway that ran along the course of the River Wandle from Croydon up to the River Thames at Wandsworth. One of the original freight station buildings remains by Mitcham Tram Stop. Station House at Mitcham is the last surviving Surrey Iron Railway building. There is a road by Mitcham Tram Stop called Tramway Path. The tramway referred to is The Surrey Iron, not the current one.
The waddon marsh part was also a section of the Croydon canal at one time.
Many incarnations.
Infact the first plan was to extend the canal through Mitcham up to Wandsworth, but the mill owners along the wandle blocked it, fearing loss of water power to drive the water wheels.
Regarding:
"...the first horse drawn railway in the UK..."
By the time the Surrey Iron Railway was opened in 1802 there were a number of other examples around the country. The first one to get an act of parliament was the Middleton Railway which opened in 1758. See Wikipedia for details.
"Station House at Mitcham is the last surviving Surrey Iron Railway building."
Several people have looked into this and have found no evidence that the SIR ever owned the building now known as "Station Court". It appears to have been built as a residence for a merchant at about the same time as the railway. I assume he saw a business opportunity in being next door to the SIR.
@@smeghead7698 I did not know that the canal ever actually got further than West Croydon.
I thought it ended in a pool where the platforms of West Croydon Railway Station are now. There were lots of planned extensions but...
@@pras12100 yeah, I thought that also, until I worked on the railway and that was my patch.
It was well known amongst the old boys, still had some rare fixtures and fittings around.
The wandle still runs under there.
G in the big smoke well south London anyway nice Vblog great to see the Croydon tram network roll on part two 👍🙂
Haha thanks!
Oh my gosh I love that you have a doctor who red question mark umbrella! so cool
Nice, the chap at 6:40 is wearing Elizabeth Line Livery, which complements actually nicely with the bright green of the Tram.
When I hear Wimbledon I think Wombles.
And I stayed there for 3 months in 1988,
Hope you did some litter picking Uncle Bulgaria
Actually… I like the Borribles. They're sort of anti-Wombles. @@darrenwilson8042
Great vlog G! Love the Croydon Trams, such a great network. Very well filmed and produced as usual! 😊👏
Thanks!
Tramalama dingdong. Fabulous and brave given that Croydon is twinned with Beirut. My favourite stomping ground for 20:years, alas almost always in a car back then, surfing the plumbing supplies world. Keep up the great work G. X
Haven't been on a tram for yonks. Must check them out NOW (Live in London and and have freedom pass.) Must do some tram traveling now ! Great vlog.
They're great!
Great video again nice to be informed about such things as trams around London well done 👍👍✅✅
As for the 2 types of trams, the newer ones are the Stadler Variobahn which initially were part of an order for 24 trams by the city of Bergen, Norway, who only needed 18 of them when they opened their first line in 2010, so Croydon bought the other 6, which is why the front door by the driver is on the European side. The other trams in Croydon are all Bombardier CR4000 series, based on and almost identical to the K4000 in Cologne, Germany, where they are also used as underground trains.
I usually watch them from the George pub in Croydon, although I am not very keen on Croydon due to its high crime rate
Just want to congratulate you on a new interesting series, I'll be looking forward to watching all the new videos you've done in that area.
Keep up the good work my lovely.
On another note, have you ever considered ever doing the Sheffield Stagecoach supertram network before?
It's not very long and can be done in a day.
Anyway I'll leave the videos up to you as it's your channel, but just thought I'd give you maybe an idea for the future?
All the best from.
Devon Mike 🚂
Thanks, and I'll be doing Sheffield at some point 👍
Then don't forget there's also the Tram Network at Nottingham to do as well if you want to go that far?
Superb vlog as always. It is a shame that this country doesn't invest more into tram systems. There is such great potential to create large networks in this country. You need to take a trip to Germany and see the tram systems out there. Kassel, Germany is one of my favourite. Looking forward to part two of Tram-versing... Ray
Thanks for the recommendation! 👍
Cologne also has the K4000 trams, which are pretty much the same as the CR4000 in this video, except the ones in Cologne also go underground.
Great vlog, G 👍
I remember very well the first time I travelled on the Wimbledon to West Croydon line [a two coach class 416 EMU every half hour in those days}, as it was the same day as my job interview with British Rail. Over thirty years later, I still work for the railway
Amazing! Thanks Thornby37 😄
watching from the other side of the world in the home of the world's largest tram network. love the trams...
Ahh. My trams. I live close to Croydon and Wimbledon, my usual get on point is Mitcham Junction. Welcome to my part of the world GLT
Thanking you!
Great vlog of the London Croydon trams G. I rode them in summer last year for the first time. I enjoyed watching!
Thanks, I loved riding them!
Great video, G - despite me living only about 15 miles south of Croydon, I’d never been on these trams until recently when I decided to have a ride around.
I don’t know if anyone outside of TfL actually calls them “London trams” - it’s always Croydon trams or tram link for me!
Yeah I call them a mix 😂
It's been ages seeing a Tram-versing video but did like this video G, looking forward to the other half of the network that you need to cover,
Haha yeah I was craving a bit of tram-versing 😂 thanks Cyber
Hi G,
Well done in your Part 1 journey, I managed to travel the whole Croydon network in a single day when it opened as I didn't get off at every stop, I just went for the ride. Those new Trams look better than than the first ones they had. I have travelled on them more recently as well when I was trade plating cars and vans around. I remember West Croydon well as I had to change there from a Tram to a Bus...
Thanks for sharing,
Bysee bye...
Amazing! Thanks 😄
I love trams and people never seem to understand. I especially love when they share the public streets. It's like trains on the road! Love it. I could have a channel called MLovesTrams. Don't get to ride trams that often though as I don't live in a town with any. Manchester is the nearest to me. Favourite trams I've been on are the Belgian coastal tram, which literally runs almost the whole length of the Belgian coast.
I live in Nottingham and I don't think I'll ever tire of the NET trams sharing the street
Ah you're in London. I love the trams. Thanks for your tour 😊
Cheers 😄
Thanks for the video G,my mum's family came from Mitcham and Tooting then moved to Newhaven, East Sussex during the 2WW. Another famous thing from Wimbledon is the Wombles.Must do this as never thought about doing before you went on its Trams also look interesting and not too far from where I live near Brighton!!😎🚊🚊🚊🚊🇬🇧💚
Cool! I certainly enjoyed riding them 😄
Brilliant as ever G. My wife is from that part of the world so know it well. Interesting fact about Merton Park. The late 1970s/ early 80s Mod revival band The Merton Parkas were from there. Because they were mods, who wear Parkas, and they were from Merton Park. See what they did? Wait a minute...you wear a Parka too!
Can't be bothered to read that
@@JayJourneys_1 After having just read it.
@@JayJourneys_1 Said after reading it.
@@JayJourneys_1 Don't read it then.
Don't read it then.
i love the croydon trams i tent to visit Croydon twice a year for the trams 1 around this time & the other time in the summer & i was in Croydon the other week doing the trams & ive used all the stops in the Centre of Croydon & when i was last in Croydon the other week i traveled out to Ticham Junction & on my way back i pit stoped at Therapia Lane Ampere Way & Waddon Marsh & ive visited Wimbledon a few times & i love the Croydon Trams & i do agree about the centre loop its easy to fast pace round the centre & easy to get round the Centre of Croydon on the tram brilliant vlog & im looking forward to part 2
Welcome to my neck of the woods G. Hooe yiyr enjoy the Croydon trams. I still call it by its old name The stop buttons were put on as they were going to do requests but before system open made it all stops. My stop is on beckenham junction line at avenue Road. Least used station of all
Ah okay, nice one!
It's not just a trolley, it's an M&S trolley lol!
😂😂
Great video!
Great video, G! Very well presented! Looking forward to part 2!
The interior is looking nice on these trams!
Very nice indeed! 😄
Great Video G! Wasn’t expecting you to be down south, hope you enjoy. Also here’s the name of the trams
The older stock is called the C4000. Whereas the Newer Fleet is called the Variobahn. Hope they helped ya out!
Looking forward to Part 2.
Ah thanks!
just a little bit of added info for the C400s, they're basically low floor versions of the M5000s on the Bee Network - Metrolink, and the C4s actually were there on the first day of tram operation, and are apparently near withdrawal now
This is like 20 miles from my home, never knew it was so big the tram system , love your enthusiasm.
Good fun shared makes great watching
Thanks a lot!
Brilliant video G, I've been on the Croydon Trams or the London trams as they call them these days a few times even starting at Wimbledon and they are rather good. Yep I think of tennis when I think of Wimbledon too. Also if the District line goes there then why can't the London overground go there too just because of that certain childrens programme from a very long time ago that has something to do with Wimbledon lol.
from my experience of Sheffield trams, the stop buttons are used more in the evenings and very early mornings, when there's not many people on board and it's not usually necessary to call at every single stop - the southern section of the Blue Route in particular is very long (the terminus is only a mile from the Derbyshire border) and it has a lot of stops
My next of the wood and can remember going on the trains on the section now as a tram line a lot of old stations still around , love the ikea towers, and maldon Hall does have several bridges that cross the river flowing through it Great video as ever.
Love this G! Brilliant vid :)
Fantastic vlog G ive already done every station on this network and also travelled on all of the trams including the one that was involved in the terrible accident
Thanks Stuart 👍
Really enjoyed this one G, almost on my second home territory there with the trams. They are really useful to get to and from Wimbledon at one end but also Beckenham Junction at the other, for hopping on to Southeastern that way. Interestingly, the original Hopper Fare came about on the trams, as there were feeder bus services that linked to the trams at New Addington (they were numbered T31, T32 and T33) and meant you could complete your journey via Oyster on one trip provided your bus touch in was within 70 minutes of touching in at the tram stop. Today, only the T33 remains, renumbered as the 433. However, the success of the Hopper meant it was expanded to all buses, and as the trams are the same fare structure as the buses, I've often done tram from Croydon to Wimbledon followed by 93 to Putney, meaning £1.75 for the whole trip - pretty decent that.
The London Underground has recently defined South Wimbledon Station (on the Northern Line) as an interchange to Morden Road tram stop, even though it's a good 10 minute walk between stations, or the next stop on bus 93.
The 3rd platform is used if they are doing works and terminating the trams at east Croydon.
Loving the vids G as always, but trams with indicators? wow :D
My daughter lives on Dundonald Road in Wimbledon and when we visit we always use the trams. You mentioned Morden Hall Park which is a National Trust property and a lovely place to visit. We leave the tram at Phipps Bridge; you mentioned you couldn't see a bridge and neither have I managed to discover, so far, who Mr. Phipps is/was!
Haha hope you discover!
Phipps Bridge tram stop is named after Phipps Bridge Road and the Phipps Bridge Housing Estate.
Phipps Bridge is the one over the River Wandle near the junction of Phipps Bridge Road and Homefield Gardens. This is quite a walk from the tram stop.
The Merton Historical Society website says there was a reference to a "Pypesbrige" here in Tudor times. The current incarnation is not that old.
There was a railway line on the tram route towards Wimbledon where trains would run Monday to Saturday and it would have been 2 coaches and the reverse would run to West Croydon and there was a train station in Addiscombe where SouthEastern railway used to run there till 1997.
I used to work in Croydon. Hardly ever saw a tram, I thought they were just green buses to be honest. What a waste! Thanks for this superb video. :)
Such a great way to get around the city! 😎
Crazy staying there lol😂
My hometown Croydon, for better or worse. VERY weird seeing you wander around there! 😅
Haha
If you bought a Bus and Tram pass you would have paid £6 for a day ticket
If you used contactless, you would have paid £5.25 maximum as that's the daily cap for buses and trams.
You can also get infinite journeys on bus and trams for £1.75 as long as the time between taping in on your first bus or tram and taping in on your last bus on tram is within 62 minutes.
Nice video! Frog and I used to stay in Croydon when we visited London. The Easy Hotel's just behind Croydon One - the weird looking building in the opening shot.
Cool! I was gonna stay there but the online booking confused me too much 😂
I used to work in "the weird looking building" - we called it the Threepenny-Bit Tower - when I first moved here. Looking forward to seeing Elmers End...
@@andrewbutler7681 I’m old enough to know why it was called that! It was also the video game hq in the black mirror episode Bandersnatch.
Great video as usual G! I didn't know London had trams! I've learnt something!
Thanks!
Excellent video there G, I love the Croydon Trams, they are very good I must say, not sure if you've seen it yet, but look out for Tram 2554 as it's the special livery one which is a 'Love Croydon' it's a really nice purple ish livery so keep an eye out for that, loved watching part 1, can't wait now for part 2! Keep up the amazing content 👏😊
Ah cool, thanks TTT 😄
Nice video! Funnily enough I was on the tram to East Croydon just over 2 hours ago haha! You’ve earned yourself a new subscriber🙌🏼
Like your vids but stay safe Croydon is no joke
Great video! I was born in Croydon but lived oop North in Hull all my life, so interested to see Croydon and its trams, which I never knew it had! Plenty of Blackpool Towers for you there it seems, might have to get off the tram and leg it up to the Thames to see some Flowing Water though 😂 Have a great week!
For sure! Thanks 😄
My local area. Lived here since 1990.
Cool..... and these have drivers, unlike DLR at Canary Wharf.
You can ride these to Wimbledon, interesting
Tramific video G.
Thanks!
I've never been on the london trams but I've been to east Croydon both on southern and thameslink with their ironing board seats as they're known 😅
Also its kinda of bad the moment to get into London euston from Birmingham new street/Coventry because of a land slip between rugby and Coventry not sure if youve heard that news
Nice trams though 😊
Awesome Video G Loves Trains 😄😄
The newer trams are Stadler Variobahn
that was intresting
Great video G, Happy Valentine's Day
Interesting fact for you…the Tram announcements are made my News Reader Nicholas Owen (lives locally ish)!
Now I want to listen to the Croydon Tram Song. (If you don't know it, find it!)
well this has planted a seed, All the tram stops in Prague. If only i could find a list of all of them. it is complicated in that some named stops will have more than the up and down stop Nakladove Nadrazi has two pairs of stops on different streets. really before i start i would want a full list of all stations but my google foo is weak. On the plus side for 550czk a month. less than 20 of your british pounds it is possible to ride 24/7 so i could do it at no extra cost apart from coffee and snacks. so far best guess is over 600 stops including request stops.
Wow!!😎🚃🚃🇬🇧
That was a bit of an ordeal tbh
Any plans to ride the Tyne and Wear Metro?
Great video; just gotta ask, is that umbrella an Seventh Doctor umbrella?
Thanks and yes it is
great vlog as always G
You're in my home town!
I just wish they were still red.
I used to work on the network repairing the tickets machines which have now been removed when they went cash only and visited pretty much every stop weekly, sometimes doing a fare change check I'd do every machine in a day which meant telling the driver what I was doing, standing by the nearest door to the ticket machine, jumping off, checking the fares had updated correctly and jumping back on the same tram. If there was a problem I'd wave the driver on an fix it. This was a fairly typical encounter :-czcams.com/video/li8tQhfp6IY/video.html
I know its a massive city but London is so well served for public transport I can't imagine why they are at each others throats - they want to try getting around East Cleveland on a sleety day on public transport ........... here the death toll is high though to be fair thats from hypothermia normally
I like what I see
nice to join my area
😄
How do you think these trams compare with both the Manchester Metrolink or any of the other U.K. tram networks, such as the East Midlands trams around Birmingham & Wolverhampton? Aside from the Metrolink here in Manchester, I’m the most familiar with the LUAS trams in Dublin when I go home to Ireland on visits
I've not ridden them all yet but loved the London trams!
@@GLovesTrains if at all possible, I’d encourage you to visit my native Ireland and see our railways, not just in Dublin on Iarnod Éireann (Irish Rail) - I know that the Irish government is planning massive rail expansion and I hope that this will include the extension of the M3 Parkway line all the way to Navan direct from Dublin Docklands, which will make getting home off the ferry from Holyhead into Dublin Port (North Wall) so much easier, helped by a LUAS tram extension to the Irish Ferries & Stena Terminals - another private group is also planning to build a Metro train to Dublin Airport and this in addition to DART Underground will prove very exciting - already, Dublin Pearse Station on the DART and Wicklow/Wexford/Rosslare line has been massively refurbished and it is the terminus for services to Drogheda and Dundalk on the Belfast line via Dublin Connolly, where the Dublin DART runs as far north as Malahide and as far south as Greystones 🇮🇪☘️🇬🇧❤️
1:29 Best stop and totally not solely because it's my name 😄😉
Haha you're Steggs to me
@@GLovesTrains good enough for me 😂
10:19 - I think you mean it's only served by the west-to-east direction, rather than east-to-west?
Probably! 😂
Just wondering G. Would U ever do any London Underground stations videos?
Tallyho! G. One lives not far from this station. Pick up, a vegan subway 😁😁😁
I want one! 😂
Don’t you get a nosebleed being so far south 😂
Great exploration! It's a very useful tram system but don't you think its disingenuous to call it 'London Trams' when it only serves parts of three South London boroughs? It's a shame that the ambitious plans to add other tram routes in London came to nothing.
I have to ask. Does the umbrella have any significance? Just noticed you carrying it all the time now in your videos.
If I carry it round, it doesn't rain 😂
@@GLovesTrains lol Fair enough!
I do wonder which is the closest "Blackpool Tower" to central London...
Haha I wonder!
When your at east Croydon you put your skid mark pants on your head and shout sniff that!!!
what with the Umbrella its not raining
London Trams
You're brave, staying in Croydon!
Will you help nick with walgate to north western pointless journey
I hope you didn't have the unpleasantness of the easyhotel. I did not enjoy my stay there.
Was going to but ended up in premier inn
@@GLovesTrains Lucky escape :)
2534 is the ultimate tram number 🚊