2018 Moto Morini Corsaro ZZ | Full Review
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- The Moto Morini Corsaro ZZ is a lot of what you expect, and a little bit of what you don't.
If I told you before you started it up that it was a big 1200 V twin you'd probably have a guess that the bike has an immediately satisfying swell of power. If I told you that it was almost entirely made of Italian components and 100% made in Italy you'd probably assume that it was also brimming with passion, soul and character. And you'd be right on both accounts.
But what you might not assume from this somewhat old school muscle bike is that despite all that prodigious power the bike is exceptionally sensitive to every little signal. That it stops on a dime and changes direction with the slightest of touches. It is a surprisingly dextrous machine despite its capacity and weight.
But really, any argument for buying this thing starts and ends with the engine. The Bialbero 1200 Corsa Corta is one of the most enigmatic and unique power plants on the market and it is something that you really have to try for yourself.
The good thing for you is that it is the core of all of their lineup so really it just comes down to your favourite flavour.
Thank you to Moto Morini
motomorini.eu/en/
Thank you to Ben Wylie
@wyliewizzard.
For Bens footage of the Corsaro on track follow link below
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Maybe I can offer some additional insights to people considering this bike. I have a 2020 Moto Morini Corsaro ZZ, which I bough new around March 2020:
+ I really like the engine of the motorcycle, although the fuelling has a bit of quirk where the power pretty much cuts around 3500 rpm in any gear. You can roll over this while accelerating a bit more aggressively, but when stuck behind a car at about 50 km/h in second gear (right at 3500 rpm) a slight move of your wrist will send the engine into a bit of a "bucking" motion. It took me some time, but now I just ride in a gear lower. Which is strange at first since this means riding around in first gear if you are in city centers etc. A reflash could fix this, but Morini confirmed that this would void my much needed warranty (see below)
Now for the issues I have had so far:
- Coolant leaks in basically every hose and from the thermostat house (one is still ongoing since they don't have a replacement hose and no ETA).
- 3 blinkers (same one) broke off at the rubber connecter from the vibrations. They finally updated the connection (with the entire license plate holder when that broke off).
- Had a mirror just break off while I was drying it with a towel (plastic had become very brittle, doubt it was a very new piece).
- Gone through 3 batteries (first one dated 2017 on this 2020 bike).
- Had to replace the dash since it was full of water after riding in some rain (they also send a "new" display to the dealer first wich was also defect). The water caused the display to not work and prevented using my blinkers. They insisted to have the display sent to them first before sending out a replacement. Making that I had no bike for 46(!) days until it was fixed (still have to ride it in the rain again).
- Had the entire swingarm-mounted licence plate holder break off while I was riding on the highway. Since the blinkers are also mounted on this part, those had to be replaced again. Was lucky it did not get launched into my wheel but dragged behind on the electrical cable. They never admitted the poor engineering, but I have talked to a guy on fb who had the exact same thing happen and they did a recall and replace on all these mounts shortly after I had this.
- The tiny metal bracket holding the front brake line in place broke off more than I can recall. Basically every time I hit a pothole, I had to get it replaced.
All of this was replaced under warranty (they gave me some trouble about the display and the mirror). But the response time of Moto Morini is not great. I received the bike in the beginning of March 2020 and, counting until today, it has spent a total of 119 days back at the dealer, not counting the 81 days it was there during the winter to find another small coolant leak. At this moment I am again waiting for a replacement coolant hose for a leak. They cannot give me an ETA on when it would be there and have been waiting for over a month now. Also at no point was there an apology for any inconvenience or the sentiment that "this is extreme, we are so sorry for this" from Morini. Despite the close/direct contact with them.
All this for a 20k € bike, kind of hurts and has really affected how much I can still enjoy the bike. I never thought the good rides would be those where everything is still connected to bike at the end of it and the anxiety of doing longer trips has put me off those too now. Really happy I had my trusty Kawasaki Z900RS throughout all of this.
So what I'm hearing is stick to short ish weekend blasts and under no circumstances get caught in the rain... I mean, I might make room in the garage for one on those terms. But I'm not sure it's gonna be *that* much more of a personality than a gen 2 Aprilia Tuono V2 or a tuned Monster 1200R. And I can buy a Guzzi if I want a bike for days when I want character over performance...
So close but I think its a no for me. Maybe I'll try picking up an older gen second hand and see how I get on with it...
@@hyperthunk Hey Tim,
Those sound like the right terms if you consider buying one new.
If I could go back I would buy a used and older version - where the license plate holder is attached to the exhausts instead of the swingarm. My holder came off for the second time 2 months ago and was replaced with an "even sturdier one" now. The engine itself is pretty great though, but would recon a KTM Super Duke (if you like the look) or indeed a Ducati or Aprillia could also work out. But with those also take into account some known issues like with electronics (there are some reviews about the Duke that also mention a not-so-waterproof display).
In general I have come back from buying new (thanks to this bike), my next purchase would be used. This would also allow me to cover more of the issues with at least it was "decent value for money", which is my main gripe with my current purchase of a new bike.
@@Gr1mSkull yeah, I'm sorry to hear you've had such a poor buying experience. Tbh I've never owned a new bike or car, the prices just seem astronomical to me and they lose their value so fast.
I do think it's utterly unacceptable that bikes costing North of £10k, let alone £15k and over have issues like things falling off and displays that let in water. It feels like manufacturing quality has gone out of the window in the last decade. Putting aside the reputation of Italian bikes for a moment - and I've never owned one, so I can't really comment about that - I've had bikes from the big 4 Japanese manufacturers that were made from '92, through 2012. I've never had any major issues apart from some manufacturing _weakness_ in the clutch basket of my 2004 SV1000n, which required an aftermarket solution. All my Hondas have been utterly bulletproof. And to add to that, for many years those bikes would live on the street outside my house all year round, sun, rain, or snow!
Nowadays I'm even hearing stories of poor quality screens and various mechanical and electrical gremlins on Triumphs and BMWs! 😱
@@Gr1mSkull I might consider a 1290 SDR in a few years, once prices come down to sensible money.
The issue I have with the older model Corsaro is all the reviews I've seen state that it's handling wasn't quite as good as the competition at the time. If that's true then the Aprilia V2 will have roughly the same horsepower. And there's a fantastic indy UK Aprilia workshop (they're on CZcams) who know all about how to make the bikes reliable and what kind of preventative mods you can do to improve the reliability. A gen 2 costs around £5k in mint condition. I'll admit that being more performance oriented, the Rotax V2 is probably a bit less characterful than the Moto Morini's, but like I said if it's character I want I will start looking at a Guzzi, that ludicrous engine configuration making the bike shake around at the traffic lights and what have you. 🤣
@@hyperthunk Guzzi is also on my short list :). The Aprillia also sounds like a great deal! Best of luck!
Really dig the looks! Even prettier than the previous gen. It doesn't get more original for an Italian exotica like this. Top review
Thank you. I am a big fan of Italian engineering done right. I'd happily own one of these.
Ordered one after doing a test ride myself. Thanks a lot for make me aware of the brand and the great review!
Thanks man, hope you enjoy it.
Woooohoooo! Thank you, thank you! What a home run for a choice of motorcycle! Bravo!
Thank you. It is a fantastic bike.
I had a 2008 Corsaro Avio which was detuned to 117bhp and that was more than enough power for me,It was addictive to ride and difficult to ride slowly in the sense that it wanted to be ridden like a race house biting at the bit before a race.
I'd love to have a go on the older Carsaro's, they're a hell of a lot of fun. Really looking forward to possibly trying the Milano if I get a chance.
Great noise, great review, interesting choice & well worth a view
Very good review indeed! Awesome bike too. I’ve had a Corsaro Veloce for several years....utterly superb!
I'm jealous.
I remember when I saw the earlier version on this coming down the hill from the Storey Arms ,Brecon and it sounded awesome !Spitting and spluttering on throttle down . I wanted one then so I might bite the bullet and get a second hand one now ! Currently on an 08 V-Strom 1000 .
Hello! Thanks for this piece. I enjoyed it! I have heard of Moto Morini but have never seen one in the flesh. I have to say I rather like what I am seeing! The bike looks incredible. Sounds good too! I visited the website and I have to say the lineup looks very good. Unfortunately, there is no footprint in the U.S. so we are out of luck! Too bad because I would love to have a go on one. Frankly I am surprised I don't hear and see more abut these great looking machines. Thank you for bringing this brand out into the light. Cheers! Oh, right! Subbed...
I've had a MMCV - now 2 - since 2009 - After my CB1100RD - A beyoootie!- What initially got me interested, apart from the Specs, was that it was (Sir) Alan Cathcart's choice of personal bike. I mean he's ridden and for his job had to comment on (hundreds?) of bikes/models for many yearsk, and raced at comp level . I know he's a choosey bugger & the MMCV was his choice of personal ride. I'm getting back on it after typing this. Cheers
Nice review, I've liked these for a decade or more & they're so underrated as a bike & brand in my opinion. Price is a factor of course but the dealer network or lack there of is the main issue for me. Not a deal breaker but it would take some serious heart & head conflict!
Yeah I understand that, it's a tough one. It's always comforting to know you've got a place to take it if it breaks. This is a bike to buy with your heart a you say.
Great review .... Morini - Nant y Garth, nice day perfect....👍
Thank you, it was definitely one of the better days :)
Another top review, thanks RR !
Like the bike, affraid of after sale service (especially parts availabilty and fast shipping) and dislike the price but i can understand handmade little production has to be more expensive and exclusive.
I've heard amazing good things about this engine already even if, on paper, it's not amazing it really shines on the road considering what french journalists say all and you confirm what i thought.
The "nearly no electronic" is a big plus for me (riding a supersport bike of 155cv that does not even have abs for 15years and love it and NEVER feel the need of electronic help).
If you could have on free tomorrow : Speed RS or Corsaro ZZ ?
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Thank you, glad you liked it. As you say, when they're produced on such an intimate level as this the price is always going to rise and they really haven't compromised on anything. Really tough question though because I REALLY like the speed triple but if I was getting a free bike tomorrow I'd be waking up to the Corsaro because when money and practicality is cast aside you're voting with your heart and the Corsaro has something unique.
@@RarefiedRoad Wow, if you heart goes to the Corsaro, it tells me alot on the overall quality of this bike, especially because i know how you liked the Speed RS !
Many thanks for the reply and keep up the great work ! :)
Thanks for the support, I appreciate it.
Looks allot like the Speed Triple which is not a bad thing. Over 16k, wow that's a hard sell! Especially when you consider I bought a new more powerful MT10 for under £10k a couple of years back.
Yeah it's tough to compete with the Japanese manufacturers for cost especially when Morini insist on making it entirely in Italy but there definitely is a market for it. It's around the same price as a lot of Ducati's high end bracket though and there genuinely is nothing quite like it. Speaking for my own taste I think I enjoyed it more than the MT10.
The mt10 is a basic super naked, the corsaro is special, its a whole different thing. The engine has more personality than the mt10
How would you say this holds up against a Ducati V-twin?
Good question, decent comparison and there are similarities but I actually preferred the Morini out of the two. It's a little bit more nimble and the engine feels happier to chase the revs. It's almost exactly between the feeling of a Monster and a Speed Triple.
@@RarefiedRoad Thanks! Sounds like a very good place to be engine-wise. Now all there's left is to start saving up for one.
Great review, thanks! I have located a couple old-gen Corsaros locally, but they are the 120hp version, do you know if the difference between these and the 140hp version (veloce?) was just a ECU thing or if there were more things changed on the 140hp model?
I wouldn't be able to tell you I'm afraid. Sorry.
I like this unique and snazzy bike, and I like you (i.e. your channel, your delivery, etc. ). Sadly, I think this bike would get me killed
I've got a soft spot for Moto Morini
always had a soft spot for moto morini - great heritage. The company seems to have gone in and out of various owners. I hope there is more stability. I do have a love hate relationship with the Corsaro . It's a beautiful ugly bug. Ok , I'm sure you could get more for your money going elsewhere , but there is just something special about a moto mornin. Maybe I'll get one to keep my Ducati 749 R company
I got the Corsaro ZL and a Streetfighter 1098. Though the Ducati engine has more HP output the Corsaro engine is the more safisfying one. The Morini engine is an engine Ducati would like to built. I tell you l sold me Corsaro ZL to replace it by a ZZ.
Leave the italian ladies hahaha better!!! but that italian lady you were riding, looks awesome and pure!!!
I read a few yrs ago the previous Corsaro had a heavy clutch pull and some other ? clutch issues, did this bike's clutch feel proper? Those dopey tail light mounts off the swing arm I find hideous! I am surprised no one comments they also add unsprung weight, so even if one likes the look it is dysfunctional. I live in America, we probably won't be getting these Morinis at all, but I am old school, I wish they made the bike look a bit more traditional , for example like old Ducati 1000 GT.
I didn't have any clutch problems at all, and I have to say it didn't feel too heavy either, or at least not noticeably so. Maybe you'd enjoy the Moto Morini Milano more, it pays homage to their original heritage and has more of the cafe racer vibe about it but it still uses the same engine so you have very similar performance.
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But it ain't a proper moto morini
Moto Morini is owned by the Chinese two-wheel manufacturer "CHINA ZHONGNENG VEHICLE GROUP CO.,LTD. "! Instead of supporting China I'd rather pass this bike...
Not sure but I think this bike was before that era.