Natacha Rambova~The Wife of Rudolph Valentino~
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- čas přidán 3. 05. 2010
- Valentino's association with Rambova was to prove both his greatest pleasure and his greatest pain. Born Winifred Kimball Shaughnessy she was a 1920's costume and set designer, artistic director, screenwriter, producer, actress, fashion designer and Egyptologist.~On her separation from Valentino~" He knew what I was when I married him. I have been working since I was seventeen. Homes and babies are all very nice, but you can't have them and a career as well. I intended, and intend, to have a career and Valentino knew it. If he wants a housewife, he'll have to look again." In the mid 1960s she was struck with scleroderma, and became malnourished and delusional as a result. She died in Pasadena of a heart attack on June 5, 1966 at the age of 69. Her ashes were scattered in Arizona.
- Krátké a kreslené filmy
I loved the style back then. Elegant. He was gorgeous!
Thank you for sticking up for Natacha. May I join in and give you support.
Natacha was more sinned against than she sinned. Her mother shipped her off to boarding school at age 8 to England, then had her spend summers in France with friends. She survived because she was strong-minded and smart. No doubt she carried baggage from what an eight year old child had to view as rejection. So far as becoming Kozlov's mistress at 17, she was only one of many and he was a Svengali. She rose above that.
A stunningly beautiful woman, and the love of Valentino's life
In the end the last kiss at the train was their final goodbye, they never saw each other again.
I love how Elizabeth Nails it with her comment about the Studios tearing them apart. After studying both intensely, I have come away with a strong feeling that they really were a TRUE ROMEO AND JULIET STORY and as such, it ended in Tragedy. He was devastated after losing her and any man can tell, by the way he looked at her, he was entralled with her. I read before his death, that he was talking with her and trying to rekindle what the studio broke apart. Anyhow, if it weren't for his death and their separation, I truly believe these two would have OWNED HOLLYWOOD EVENTUALLY!! They were both just TOO TALENTED and maybe the studios recognized that and plotted to tear them apart. Couples can learn a lot from Rudolph's and Natacha's Relationship. If you only trust each other and work with each other, THE WORLD CAN BE YOUR OYSTER. It was for them for a brief but Wonderful Moment.
You are correct. Even though they were on different continents, Rudy and Natacha were exchanging telegrams and all but reconciled their relationship. Rudy had a telegram from Natacha expressing love and the desire to reconcile under his pillow while he was in the hospital.
He was in hospital from Aug 15-26th, 1926. Not judging but why didn't she get on a plane ✈️
@ardenevox You kind of answered your own question by stating it was1926. In that time people would be traveling continent to continent by steamship. Natacha would have had to take a steam ship from Europe to New York City and then travel by train across the entire United States to get to Los Angeles. Traveling by commercial jet wasn't an option back then. I know a lot of people blame Natacha for not being at the funeral, but was simply impossible for her to get to him in time. It's heartbreaking.
@azurophale1334, excellent point I didn't think of. Another tragic twist of fate.
@@aziraphale1334 having said that, and maybe still no time but I looked up transAtlantic crossings in 1920s and it took from 1-3 weeks. Timeline for Valentino's collapse to funeral was 15th to 30th Aug/26 when NYC funeral took place (2 weeks) and then West Coast funeral after that so potentially possible. Though Lindberg didn't do the first tranAtlantic flight till 1927, a year later, might well be there was no way to get back in time. But about 3 weeks+ (not sure of date of LA funeral) passed. Indeed tragic.
1:21 the way that he looks at her OMG
I always have wondered what he saw in that weirdo. She was cold and haughty. But at the same time very intelligent and business oriented. Again ahead of her time and at a time when women's opinions didn't have much credit or value. He was a sweet and gentle man who respected women. Two people from two different worlds. But he loved her.
He was coddled as a boy and was still a boy...being taken in hand by a strong woman who managed his life seemed to be what he wanted...until she decided to go off on her own projects. Although he let her design Falcon Lair's interiors, she never actually never lived there...Don't forget, he had a mess of a first marriage...he met Jean Acker before he was a star...she also was strong-willed with ambition...they hit it off when they met, talking for hours, saw each other on and off and then got married.....She was actually a lesbian...he wrote her imploring her to come back, calling her his "dear little wife" which didn't help matters. That old world attitude was a turn-off for her. Ultimately, they renewed their friendship...because they got along well, but the wasn't the sexual aspect. Rambova also had her own ambitions and, tiring of being in charge of him, she may have ultimately felt smothered as well by the "old-fashioned Rudy."
Also got him in the witchcraft to her and him we’re doing séances to ask spirits abut advice for movies
I agree...!! I think she was very lovely in the face & very awesome to be so young and fasshion set designer..but it was a different time. Easy to get"in " on great jobs in Hollywood....plys she was raised wealthy ANOTHER plus to getin" Hollywood whos who so young to he so accomplished...but people refined & cultured more i think bk then ....BUT THATS WHERE MY ADMIRATION STOPS W HER....DONT LIKE TO SPEAK NEG OF DECEASED BUT WHEN I THINK WHAT SHE PUT HIM THRU......😠😠😠👎👎👎👎😔😔😡& also terminate..not ONE but THREE HIS BABIES...IS THIS TRUE???...& NOT TAKE CARE HE DOESNT GET SICK...WHICH HE DID...I HEARD SHE WAS A "feminist" wth??? W RUDY V AS your HUSBAND?????!!!!!
@@secretariatgirl4249 AND TO THINK HE GOT SADDLED W THOSE 2 WEIRDOS....BREAKS MY HART IN PIECES......i want to feel that , if He had lived, wouldve finally hot it RIGHT..3rd x s the CHARM.......I just think He was a sweet unselfish man ....too unselfish ..till too late BUT was starting to open His eyes...He was sooo chivalrous!! But woman like them ruin a chivalrous MAN!!!.one of US would of kissed the ground He walked on
@@sheluvssmokedupeyes1 WHAT???
this clip is so beautifully done, the music works so well together also, i love the twenties and these two people made that error so sophisticated, both were so beautiful, you can see how much Valentino really loved her, even someone such as Rudolph who was at the time every woman's dream could be so devoted and in so much love for this lady, goes to show that even someone such as Valentino could have his heart broken in the end...
I think you mean "era" not "error"! lol
YES. !! He did HAVE his heart broken. .i think it made Him physically ill.....and then.........😟😩
She was pretty but he was gorgeous.
I think Mr. Valentino deseved much better!!
I have read that Rambova was not very nice to him.
Pretty woman but COLD LOOKING.
Very demanding and bossy.
He was apparently soft and gentle.
He was truly the beautiful in every way!
Such a great loss at only
31 years of age.
And the "TALKIES" came out in 1927!!
He would have gone on to greater things.
He could act as well!
Not just a pretty face.
G-D BLESS YOU RUDY.
YOU WILL ALWYS BE REMEMBERED WITH LOVE AND AFFECTION.
Fantastic book "Madam Valentino". Her art dominated "Camile" and "Beaucaire". In the former, both Valentino and Nazimova had the presence to compete, but in "Beaucaire" ONLY Valentino didn't disappear into the artwork. She was way ahead of her time.
Was she very disliked? Well, the fact that RV was buried with the platinum bracelet she gave him should answer that. Look, I can appreciate your adoration for RV and dislike of NR, but it doesn't change the fact she was a very intelligent and talented woman.
@classics4life The Title "The Wife of Rudolph Valentino" had to be there, as people these days would have no idea who she was....sad but true. I happen to like the woman, she was talented, I respect her, if you take this the wrong way because of the title of the video, then your thinking too hard. The song reflects the relationship they had with each other, not my opinion of her. Thanks for your commets and defending her, your one of the few! ~Respect~
Absolutely she was the biggest disaster to him and his career ! But L ' Amour , L' Amour ,toujours L' Amour ! He loved her and she was a " Vamp-ire ! He will always be the First greatest American Sex God ! R.I.P. ,sweet Prince ! We shall
met again !
👏👏👏
Thank You so much for an amazing video! I love this song.❤️
Well you're certainly entitled to your opinions, it's like they say- bad publicity is still good publicity. So thank you for continuing to help immortalizing my great aunt, Winifred Shaughnessy- Natacha Rambova- Wink. Her life was, and still is, widely controversial and heavily criticized for being about eighty years ahead of her time.
That's amazing she was your aunt and def 100 years ahead of her time. Hope some of her artifacts survive in your family.
The love of Valentino’s life.
Perfect song for a BEAUTIFUL video! Thanks so very much for posting! May both R.I.P.
Love the sepia tones. Just perfection!
Beautiful
It as great to read the comment by Michael Morris. I'm a new Valentino fan (since July) and became fascinated (and a HUGE FAN) of Natacha from the first moment I read "Dark Lover" by Emily Leider. I moved on to "Madam Valentino" which is a marvelous book, well researched, well written by a writer/artist who became interested in her because of her art and not her marriage. I recommend anyone who wants to learn more about this fascinating woman to read Morris's book. Running out of words.
I'm glad you like it, Thanks for watching..
Stunning lady and this clip is beautifully put together. Love the music.
How was she stunning. She mostly wore her hair in a Princess Leia style covered with a turban or hat. And it seems she rarely smiled.
I remember when she died in 1966, the papers did a long article on Rudy and the local independent station showed a few of his films late at night & this is how I became aware of Rudy.
REALLY!!?goes to show everyone knew what she did to Rudy...very talented at such a young age ill give her that....but i feel Rudy should of had a "plain all American sweet unselfish girl.......prolly would had eventually....and CHILDREN HAPPINESS...not upheaval.....in His Beautiful w sweet pets......
Looking at this YT video no matter the severity of her personality flaws, one comes away almost breathless from her image. A for sure Dynamite couple they made visually. No doubt he loved her. I'm a for sure push over for women with Black Hair as well as Strong Women. So as a gentleman previously pointed out, Valentino probably fell in Love with that as well. Love suffers Long. I can't say that I feel sorry for him though. Cause if you ever really Loved someone, I believe that old saying, "Better to have Loved and Loss than to never have Loved". Great Video. Loved all the comments and read Q one however, I don't recall seeing the name of the song in any comment. I will do my own research. Anyhow, THIS MAN WAS TALENTED. Only a hater would think otherwise!!!
Barbara Shernoff When You Walk Through Life and You Have Seen Love Ride In and Out of Your Life but Because Your Natural Manly Nature Tied You to the Train Stop Bench, You Can’t Get On. You Yearn For That Feeling Even Though You Know, The Construct, Universe, God, or Whatever You Want to Call It Is Going to Throw that Dirty, Dirty Curve On You. At Least You Can Say, I Felt that Experience. Cause We Are Not Gods Yet, Gods Loves to Remind Us that We Do Not Control All the Outcomes. Once Again, Though Tragic and I Believe Every Word You Wrote, He Loved Her, Spent Time With Her, Breathed Her, Touched Her and More than Likely Tasted Her, I Do Not Feel Sorry For Him. Actually, That May Have Been Why He Passed So Young. If You Study this Man, You Walk Away with a Profound Belief that He Was Almost a God Spiritually. He Was Deeply Spiritual. Love was Probably the Last Frontier For Him. It Seems He was an Old Soul and I Do Believe He Went to a Much Higher Level of Being then this Place.
Barbara Shernoff I Know You are Not a Fan of Natasha but I Would Love to Teach You about What Goes On Down Here. I Don’t Think No One Had Rudy’s Back More than Natasha Did. Had They Not Broke Up, They Would Have Owned All of Hollywood. I Actually Think that’s Part of Why Hollywood Wanted Them Apart. It Might Sound Funny but I Highly Encourage You if You Have Not Yet to Read Her Book Titled; My Life with Rudolph Valentino. It is Probably the Most Spiritual Book that I Have In My House and I Am Including The Bible. It Is One Of The Most Spiritual Books that I Have Read and I Have Read Many. Both He and She Were Great Fans of H.P.Blavasky. She is a Great Spiritualist from the Late 19TH Century. An Incredible Women. I Am Reading Her Isis Unveiled Now and It is Phenomenal. Anyhow, Our Lives On the Material Plane, Though They are Harsh, are Quite Short. In Soul Time, We are Here a Mere 3 Hours. In The Bible, It is Written, A Thousand Years to God is But a Day. Well. Congratulations. YOU ARE MADE IN GODS IMAGE. HIS IMMORTAL, POWERFUL SOUL FORCE. YOU ARE IMMORTAL. Only God Can Destroy You. You Are Energy. An Electromagnetic Chakra Energy Field. However, Unlike God Who is Free to Create and Experience In this Realm, We Are Souls Who Have to Earn Our Wings Like in; “Its a Wonderful Life”. We Have Missions Down Here Which Both Natasha and Rudy Understood. Missions to Help You On Your Journey to Becoming a God. Anyhow, I Run a Religious Organization In So Cal Called The Brotherhood of Rays Inc. Anyhow, ALL MY LIFE AND I MEAN MOST OF IT I HAVE BEEN ENTHRALLED BY THESE TWO BEINGS. So Much So, I Wanted to Write a Screenplay about Them. Right Now I Am Immersed In My Non-Profit and Haven’t the Time. I Think the Reason I Am Drawn to Them is that They Were Both Highly Spiritual. Like Is Attracted to Like. Rudy, I Feel was a Little More Well Rounded Spiritually as He Delved in Everything As In Natasha, She was Deeply into the Ancient Egyptian History and Religions. What People Do Not Understand, Is That Spiritualism Runs PROFOUNDLY DEEP! Most People are Asleep, Even the Ones in Church. Why? Because You Cannot, No Matter What They Tell You Find Yourself From a Doctrine of Religion. Imagine Life As a Drug Addiction, Which is Not a Bad or Far Fetch Analogy. Anyhow, Who is Going to Help You Let Go Of That Drug Addiction? Jesus? He’s a Fine Example. However, ALL AVENUES POINT TO YOU. FREE CHOICE. All the Problems You Ever Had LED To YOU! Look In The Mirror. The Problem Down Here is Between Us Being Out of Control and God Directing the Destiny of Souls, There is Only One Escape. And that is To Find Yourself, The Answers, and Evolve. So. God Gives You Not What You Want In this Life But What You Need For Your Mission Down Here. Rudy Was a Highly Evolved Enlightened Soul. That Enabled Him Like Some Other Great Ones to Accomplish Amazing Things. His Perfection In His Soul Also Manifested In His Physical Make-Up. People Down On the Planet of Half Truths, Don’t Want to Hear that Cause They Have Never Been Indoctrinated Into Mysticism. All I Can Say Is You are On the Right Track Spiritually If You Are Into Rudy. It is More than an Infatuation. You Are Finding Yourself. Happy Journey.
Barbara Shernoff Not By Any Means Am I Saying She Was a Saint. Even I Recognize that She Seemed, Even By Her Own Writing to Almost Hate His Success and Wanted It For Her Own. The Point I’m Merely Making Is He Loved Her. And Let’s Say She was A Toxic Person. If You Are In Love With that Toxic Person, You Have But 3 Hours of Time Spent On this Planet. Even if You are Lucky Enough to Live a Full Life. She Left Cause He Left Her Out of the UA Deal. Now. What Women Wouldn’t. He Betrayed Her In that Deal. Yes. She’s Toxic. But If You Love Her, You Say No to that Deal. I Guess In the End, Rudy Had Had Enough of that Love and It Wasn’t Worth the Further Abuse As You Say. At Least He Loved. The Story Continues.
Barbara Shernoff This Is All Quite Interesting Cause We Have All Seen People, Felt Their Energies and Felt Such Love but For Some Reason It Is Impossible to Be With that Person for Whatever Reason. Writing these Texts to You Has Helped Me Immensely Know that Had I’d Been with that Person, I Would Have Had a Hell to Live With Possibly. He Was In Love and He Got to Be With the Object of His Love. And The Universe Threw that Crappy Curve at Him with Her Being Her. It Just Goes to Show You that The Answers to Our Happiness Do Not Have Anything to Do With This Material Plane. Though She was a Flawed Individual, I Still Feel, had He Stayed In the Hot Kitchen, She Would Have Helped Him Reach the Highest Heights. Flaws and All. AIM HIGH.
I love this great video Stacy.
It was great seeing some of the pics of which I haven't
seen before.
She is a beautiful woman but not as beautiful as he.
I wonder if she ever realized how lucky she was.
This song brought tears to my eyes.. it is so romantic.
What a sad love story. I wish he could have found
someone who would have appreciated him.
Thanx for posting. :-))
WOW! A lot of the pictures I never have seen before! And wonderful pictures qualitiy! Also a ver good montage and a fine song. Summasumarum: GREAT JOB!
Thank ou very much! Thumbs ub and it goes to my favs :-)
Greez
Eva
I am big fan of both Valentino and Rambova, and even I can say that the Valentino fans here are being unfairly harsh and judgmental toward Rambova. So she doesn't smile in her pictures....big deal! As more books come out, she seems to be less scorned upon and in recent times her talent has become more evident. Gotta love everyones enthusiasm though!
She was lovely...an intelligent and elegant Bohemian. Valentino had excellent taste. Magic doesn't last forever, but its fleeting nature makes it all the more wonderful. How fortunate we are to be able to enjoy the talents of these two gifted artists.
It is a beautiful, beautiful video with w wonderful choice of song which shows YOUR talent.
Beautiful. They were very nice together and It is evident they loved very much each other.
But Target envy.. how it rained.
She broke his heart. Even though he had relationship later with Pola Negri, he still carried a torch for his wife. I would have loved to been the one to mend it. Lol!
Pamela Reilly.....Me 2!
Pamela Reilly amen me too
You and 10 million other women! Still its sweet.
El era bello,elegante.
She was undoubtedly right.
Terrific video.
Thanx for posting Stacy.:-))
The final kiss at the end, and they both knew it. Poor Rudy put on a good face but his heart was broken!
Rudolph Valentino and Tyrone Power are equally very handsome men. Wow.
I agree with you on that one!!
The styles so BEAUTIFUL..i thought 20's unattractive till i ve been watching this videos......ty so much.....Rudy V would of made great Daddy, i feel like
@msrudyfan Good reply here, like I told this classics4life person. No one would even know who she was today if she hadn't been Married to Valentino.
I am the biographer of Natacha Rambova, the author of MADAM VALENTINO published by Abbeville Press in 1991. This is a superb video tribute to a woman who is still much maligned. I am familiar with many of these pictures as they come from my book, and many of the comments also reflect information contained therein. Thank you for this wonderful tribute. You did a great job! M Morris
Dear God, rest in peace, you were such a great example of excellent humanity.
Maybe Natacha didn't go to the funeral of Mr. Valentino, she was in deep depression, or she didn't want to be among the media.
Rest in Peace.🌹
...or to be among the mobs....
Natacha was in France when Rudy dies. Back in that time you simply couldn't travel from France to California in a day. You had to take a steamer ship across the Atlantic and a train to California.
she looks so classy
Muito bonita Natasha! Mas tem que ser mesmo afinal sendo esposa de quem foi Valentino... só pode!
I just keep coming back to this video. It's so beautifully put together. The song is perfect for it. You seem to capture all that was about their relationship. Brilliant job
@trevorwozny Thanks for the comment, like I keep telling people., we don't know who Valentino really was any more than we know who she really was, I told one person RV could have been a little shit to live with. They need to let it go. I read her book, I think she was a woman before her time. Just because she didn't want children does not make her evil. Again Thanks for the post.
Well she shouldnt of MARRIED A MAN WHO WANTED CHILDREN...AND YES , i think i can tell what kinda human being he was by his kindness, unselfishness, animal lover, mannerisms& humanitarianism......to name a few fine things about Him!!
Maybe NOT evil but selfish
Love the song, and the people it's for.
@NRambova Thanks for commenting..I havnt read the book. Most of my photos I got from Brad Frick and his collection with is permission.
I think he has become a role model for what is going on in Hollywood today it is a dark place it has destroyed a lot of people I wish Hollywood had let them be independent imagine the work they could of produced
Fascinating woman. Style maker. Set designer. Jewler. Became egyptologist. Went beyond Ex wife of Valentino. No not a good fit for him. But he loved her. something drew each other together. He really just wanted a stylish haus frau. Kids, garden. Tinkering on his cars. Really just a conservative Italian guy for all the Latin lover stuff.
Yes it surprised me he was also a collector of cars and a garage rat besides all his other talents.
I certainly enjoyed this compilation. I can understand why Rudy was attracted to Rambova, she was a very beautiful woman. Tis quite a shame that she wasn't able to provide for him a quiet, stable, and relatively normal life at home. Who knows, maybe if they hadn't split, Rudy might have lived out his entire life in relative peace and comfort.
I love this comment. Yes, Rambova was indeed beautiful and that will capture any man's heart. But I also feel that she was not right for him. He needed a woman that understood his culture. She was on another plane entirely. She did not want children and he was desparate to have them. He was raised in an old fashioned way in Italy. He wanted to continue that with his mate. Rambova would not have it. I'm sure there were other factors that led to their divorce. I feel so sorry for Rudy more than for anyone else. He was totally heartbroken when she left. He was mad and vengeful at that moment. And yet, his love for her was intact and most probably never left his heart. R.I.P. Rudy. May you have been reunited with Rambova in the hereafter -- may there be many sweet bambinos surrounding both of you -- may you both be happy -- may you both have peace and nothing but unconditional love.
What a lovely contribution. Thanks. I've played it six or seven times. Would love to join in the conversation but my comments seem to disappear. Hope this one doesn't. I want you know know what a great job you did.
A few of those pics i have not seen of course! But, Rudy was blinded by Natacha. Lol. They met because they worked together on the movie set. They made a name for each other in the movies. Maybe her independent untraditional ways intrigued him at first. But, then it later frustrated him greatly. I think after his career got under way, he wanted a less avant garde type of person. A person who wanted to settle down. I just don't think Winifred fit this bill. Fitting song.
Everything that needs to be said about this smart, talented, strong woman is that after Valentino died, she wrote a very positive book about him, then never said another word about him for the rest of her life except to family to whom she admitted he was the love of her life. Given Natacha's experience with love (mother's and Kozlov's) his signing the contract would have been seen as a betrayal of the greatest kind.
You mean his signing with UA? Chaplin's studio et al? That was the best place in the world for him creatively. I'm sure Rambova knew that. She was barred because she didn't know when to stop sounds like.
I never heard of her and know nothing about her life, only the marriage/divorce to Rudy that broke his heart. She reminds me of Wallis Simpson, must be the clothes and hairstyle. There's a biography of her ( "Madame Valentino" ) that I hope to read very soon. Thanks for posting this to YT.
Very elegant beauty... a widow a long time....✨
rich, spoiled and ruthless. she couldn't even make it at Rudolph's funeral. heartless woman.
She acknowledged it by sending a wire to him before he died but she was in France. Not an easy trip and she probably wouldn't have gotten there in time. Her half sister went to the viewing when it was closed to the public, perhaps to represent the family.
Maybe she didnt go to the funeral because Valentino was officially with Paula Negri at the time. Also, Natașa was în France and the trip lasted 10 days în those times. But they did exchange telegrams all The while he was sick and apparently they have reconciled just before his death. After all, Natasha has been The only woman Rudy has really loved and always wanted to be with her. Remarkable woman and such a beautiful, sad love story
When my daughters beloved boyfriend died she didn't go to the funeral. She wasn't able to answer the questions regarding his death.It doesn't mean you don't love them. But think about it She could've gotten hurt. Rudy has 1000s and 1000s of fans. She grieved .
Beautiful girl,they made a gorgeous couple
The picture at 2:16 is really nice. She looks much better without all of that 1920s makeup plastered on her face. I also noticed that she never smiles in photographs.
sublime woman
Lovely, simply lovely!
I am a fan of Natacha Rambova. She was a great artist and a fascinating woman. Unfortunately for her, she had something everyone else wanted (Valentino) and they set out to get rid of her. They did, but not content with that, they trashed her reputation and demolished her career. But she remained classy throughout it all. If you are a member of her family, please know there are some of us who because of "Madam Valentino" and a healthy skepticism learned to admire this fascinating woman.
WONDERFUL
@80stimeagain I agree with much of what you say. You make some very good points. I wonder if he wasn't also attracted to Rambova because of her ballet background. Rudy, however, didn't need Rambova to make a name for himself. He was already a well established star/actor when he met her. His career took off in spite of her. For a brief time, Rudy's career declined because of her influence, but sky rocketed when he finally rid himself of her.
@msrudyfan Thanks for commenting, I am surprised by all the negative comments about her. None of us know this woman, or what she was really like. I love Valentino and everything about him.....Although... We don't know what he was really like either! he could have been a little shit in real life! I won't speak bad about the dead. They can't fight back...
She looks beautiful! I love the video but I think this music was a very bad choice...
I like the music I think its fitting.
Thanks for posting all these great photos of Rambova. I personally think Michelle Phillips was physically a good choice to potray her in the movie Valentino. She looks quite a bit like her.
I never said that Rudy needed her, but they did work together. I think when they met (maybe on Uncharted seas), she may have got him the part in Camille. Not sure though. But, I think mostly after Four Horsemen or the Sheik, she benefitted from working on his films as a set designer. It seemed to me their marriage was more a business arrangement than anything. Yes i agree some of his movies are better than others.
@staclynn72 Oh thanks a lot :) I heard this song only this video and I just fell in love with it right away. Thanks again!
Gabriel, I'd also add that she got in the way. Valentino became the biggest thing to hit Hollywood since sliced bread. She had him, and had influence, and the studios (and others) wanted her out of the way. They achieved that and broke two hearts in the process.
@msrudyfan Yep your right it was Nita. Thanks for the comment..!
brilliant. and very touching. especially if you know something of their story. the music is perfect...
Azariphale -- Thanks for sticking up for Natacha. There seems to be an industry springing up to trash her. She DID have a career before she met and married Valentino. At the time they met, she was the art director/designer on "Camille" and "Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse" hadn't been released yet. For those interested in this very talented woman, read "Madam Valentino", an excellent book, well written and well researched.
Thank you. Madame Valentino is a great look into the many careers of Natacha. There has been another book about Natacha released titled Beyond Valentino that I would like to invite you to read.
Thanks, for posting! I love Ruddy & Natacha, she was such a strong and intelligent women. Her and Ruddy make such a great looking couple.
Awww! The photo at 1:22 is so sweet. Natacha looks so maternal towards Rudy. (And yes, I know it was quite different in real life.)
@msrudyfan Sometimes what we attracted to and what makes us happy are two different things. This may be true in Rudy's case.
I read her book and saw his biography. The last straw for her was when he signed a $10,000 contract with studio that had a stipulation that she was never to be on set or involved in any way. That's why she left. She didn’t wanna just be Mrs. Valentino!
"He knew what I was when I married him"??? Hey, lady, don't forget -- so did you, and you knew damn well what he was, too -- someone who wanted children and would have made a wonderful father.
It was her right not to have children if she didn't want to, but that also means she should not have married a man who did. Everything she said above only confirms that she married him only to use his name to advance her career. It was such a reprehensible thing to do it makes me sick.
Yes. Me as well....sickening
Exactly.....!!
How WONDERFUL..he married these two...did THE proper thing...marriage is sacred....those two women made a mockery out of it..& hurt HIM
Then 100's of girls would of given ANYTHING to be Mrs R Valentino.....
Maybe they loved each other and only found out about the kid thing later. Or he thought he could change her mind. Or maybe they both knew but thought their bond was strong enough to make it work. Life is complicated. One mustn't judge either of them though he's the one to have been at a great loss.
She was strange/haughty--and almost derailed V.'s career. BUT she was also ahead of her time as one of the first female directors and designers. They were ALMOST soul mates--but it just didn't work.
Both so georgus n beautiful!! God bless & god speed
@NRambova I have recently been learning about her and her impact on the media. How did so many of us miss such a talent? I have a question not only about her, but about so many silent screen actresses. Have you noticed how many of them did not have children? Many did not. I wonder why.
Thank you, Stacey.
Thanks!
he pretended to be happy during hs final months. deep down, he was still aching for rambova
No, we haven't met. But Ann Wollen is an aunt of mine and we've all read the book Madame Valentino. It was a wonderful biography that was well researched- thank you for helping to bring er out of obscurity! :) There's a movie coming out next year called Silent Life about RV, I'm sure it will paint Natacha in a bad light, but I'm still excited for it.
Hello. I’m a huge fan of Natasha’s & so glad she has relatives, that we can connect with.
Do you have photos of Ann Wollen & Natasha? How exactly are you related to Natasha? If Ann was your aunt, was your mom or dad a child or grandchild of Natasha’s father? Thank you for any light you can shed. As for the film “Silent Life”, it was sadly never released.
@@clairegelgi5228 Yes, that totally broke my heart, to learn that Silent Life ran out of money and was never to be released. I've watched to preview a lot and I love the short scene where to woman playing Natacha rips off her turban in anger, love it!
Ann Wollen was Natacha's cousin, I believe. But also dear friend. All the stories and books and photos of Natacha's life were to be found at Ann's house in Monrovia, California. Close to Pasadena. Ann is my grandfather's Sister, I think that makes her a great aunt...I think. But at that point in relations, we just called her an aunt. The relation to Natacha begins with Heber C Kimball (an interesting man who would "heal" people with his blessed stick.) and then down to the Shaughnessys, Natacha's birth name being Winifred Kimball Shaughnessy.
@valentinolover70 Thanks, I wish he had gone for Banky!
Yes..now there is a nice lookup couple, them two.
Nice looking couple ^ sorry
Didn't get to say all I wanted to. (This comment pending approval stuff is for the birds). Those with open minds should read "Madam Valentino". IMHO she was more sinned against than she sinned. She had Valentino at a time when everyone else wanted him - fans, studios, agents, Ulllman, etc. They set out to destroy her. That they failed shows her character. She showed class in every area of her life. More
According to Gene Valentino, his father told him that she was the only woman Rudy ever loved
Can someone tell me what is their story? I have no idea
@thisgunforhire05 Thanks for your "intelligent comment" all this fighting over the Rambova topic is getting really old..."Like she said herself, I shall undoubtedly be serverly criticized"....Did she know for how many years!!!!!!
i just wonder whether if they had got back together whether it would have really worked again, i mean after reading so much about this man its apparent that just before he died he had made friends with so many people who he'd fallen out with whilst with Natasha, also he was dating a whole string of beauties, Pola Negri, Marion Benda and a few others, he actually admitted just a few weeks before he died that he was the happiest he had ever been...
I'm not offended, I'm just on a crusade to change the bias opinion that Natacha was some dragon lady that almost ruined RV's career. My mother's maiden name is Dinwoodey, direct descendants of the Kimballs. My aunt is the cousin that brought Natacha to Pasadena after the heart attack. I was going through Natacha's library when I was a kid, before I knew about her short career in Hollywood. That's why I believe she was a primarily a scholar.
Wow aren't you lucky.
@@sarahleach9997 Lucky? How so?
I was always wondering why there are no post-Valentino pictures of her. How did she look in her older years?
@MissGoldenDreams13 I was taken by the look on his face..poor guy,,thats true love.
ValentinoLover70 is sooooo correct.
I DESPISE Rambova, but I love your video. Excellent pictures and musical choice-- the song selection works beautifully. I especially like how the video focuses on Rudy as the lyrics ". . .he wore his courage like a king wears a crown" are sung.
What is the song and who sings it?
@msrudyfan This topic has been done to death. I'm going to refrain from further comments on Mrs Valentino. But Thanks for posting a comment and watching my video. :)
Read Morris's book. Natacha was 27 when Rudy signed the contract banning her from his sets. With her history -- mother sending her to boarding school in England at age 8 and Kozlov's abuse, she'd have seen that as a betrayal and fled.
I have heard the contract has no such clause (banning Rambova).
@staclynn72 This is a classy video and you have great flair. I am glad you used as many images as you did and such a variety. If you ever need more photos for future work on Rambova I have many in my own collection from having written her biography 20 years ago. The new biography on Valentino written by Evelyn Zumaya helps to explain why Rambova never had a child by Valentino. It was more complicated than rumors of VD. It would seem that he already had another child from a previous liaison...
I heard that other child died. Sad sad sad.
What a VIPER!! That quote of hers can go both ways. She knew what Rudy wanted most when she married him. Knowing fully well she wanted and valued a career over marriage and family, she shouldn't have married a man who she knew desired, with all his heart, a loving wife, home and children. It's obvious from her own words she married a loving man worth his weight in gold only to advance her career. She accomplished what she did because she was married to Rudy. She was NOTHING without him.
Thats EXACTLY RIGHT....YOU TOOK WORDS RIGHT OUTTA MY MOUTH......
WHY MARRY A MAN WHEN U KNOW YOU DON'T GAVE SAME VALUES.???? Poor RV
That's may not be true.Read more about her.
@PennyTraition Thanks for posting something positive here !
@msrudyfan Yeah its too bad he picked all the wrong women, maybe Vilma would have been a good match.
@pastelpinkgirly
I have "Dark Lover" on waitlist at my local library, I rely heavily on them for books. I just finished "Valentino" (Shulman) and have waitlisted: "V.: Dream of Desire" (Bret), "V.:The First Superstar" (Botham), "R.V." (Walker), and "Intimate Life of R.V." (Scagnetti). Would like to read George Ullman's book about RV, RV's "Day Dreams", and several others not in library system; will have to look online for those. Obviously, I find RV very intriguing.
@staclynn72 Hmm, ok, i wasn't sure. I just assumed it was Rudy. It does look a little like him in the face. Yes, i know she was doing ballet before. Thanks for share. ;)
@shellakers10 He had assets and liabilities. After the probate of it all, I'm not sure what the final accounting was. He left behind an array of high quality items, a house, some animals, at least one nice car. He had a will. I think his brother ended up living in his house for awhile or something like that. However to answer your question, I don't know.