What is wrong with some people? The problems we experienced in Kakadu NP
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2022
- Well the true will set you free. I know I'm not perfect and I'll be the first one to put my hand up and say sorry if I'm doing something wrong but some people just can't be told.
Camping to use is about experiencing the outdoors and the wildlife and beauty of a place, but 1 thing that can ruin it is people. So what do you do when you see something happening that shouldn't?
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Common sense isn’t common. I have found since we have been living full time on the road this is so very true. Some people don’t think about anyone else but themselves.
So true Chris, and it's making camping anywhere near a large population very disappointing.
Chris you are so correct.
It's sad isn't it.
Kudos to you for stepping up and saying something to them mate. Most people would just endure it and let it slide, letting them get away with it.
If you think what you've experienced is bad, if only you could see some stuff that goes on in the Vic high country. The mecca of weekend warriors!
Loved the video as always!! Looking forward to your future travels.
Thanks mate, I just think Kakadu is a special place and seeing someone cutting a tree down was the limit!
I know what you mean about Vic high country, it's anywhere close to a large population and a small number of people wreck it for all
I think this video was a long time coming and well needed. Thanks for posting it. Unfortunately some people are selfish and don’t consider others. Being disrespectful at sacred areas is absolutely terrible. We are lucky to be allowed to visit these magnificent and ancient sites. I hope lots of people watch this and take it to heart. Well done.
Thanks David for your positive comments and support 👍. Hopefully we can highlight a couple of things that people should consider in any national park or campground and think about how your actions can affect others.
Had so many similar issues in our travels. Loud music, language and goes on till dawn sometimes. Even have a couple of friends that see no issue with it and happy to burn 3 trees in the camp bonfire. Alcohol, partying and no care for others is king for some. Sad state of affairs. Good to hear some young guys listened to someone with more experience.
Thanks Kevin for your support, it's getting to the point where we worry every time we book a national park stay whether or not we'll be able to sleep or if we'll have bad neighbours
They should make special campsites for the rowdies, keep them away from everyone else
@@mark2073 be nice if there was that option.
Freedom is highly misunderstood. The freedom to play music loud in a national park robs others of their freedom to chill and take in the natural beauty. Freedom to light a fire on a gusty night is not freedom for others choking in the smoke and risking others life. Freedom must be broader than just "my freedom".
Thanks for airing this Adam - that would have taken something to do and possibly risk the channel, but I for one am very grateful you did.
Anyone who un-subs because of this video wouldn't be the sort of viewers anyone would want anyway :)
@@WesternAustraliaNowAndThen Very, very true BUT, they are the very people that should see and learn from it.
Thanks Benny, well spoken and thanks for the support, so true that people's ideas of freedom can be very different. I'm not perfect and never claim to be, but I hope I will always identify when my actions will affect others and stop and think first. As for people leaving the channel, I was a little worried at first but now I've recognised that most of our viewers are like minded travellers who are smart enough to know what real travel is and enjoy real experiences. I'm very proud of our small but awesome followers who are just like us😀
@@GoingOverland You made me think about my own actions in the past. Admittedly over 40 years ago, but nonetheless cringe worthy. The conversation you started also raised my own sense of being considerate.
Excellent video. This should be required we watching before people go camping!!
Thanks Jeff for the positive support 👍
Good on you for sharing I’ve experienced similar situations & it totally spoils the stay, unfortunately you won’t stop people being “wankers”
Respect others & leave no trace is my motto.
Cheers 🍻
Thanks Rob, well spoken 👏
A little bit of respect goes a long way, good on you for calling it out! We have experienced similar things all round Australia. People need to understand that when they are travelling they are often guests and should act accordingly. 👍👍
Well said 👏 totally agree, it's a privilege to be able to see these places not a right
Thank you alot for this video, I'm a new person when it comes to camping, and never thought that there were weather conditions to consider when lighting up fire in the bush, now that I know I realise that it makes a lot of sense to consider all that you mentioned when camping...thanks.
Thanks Orlando for your positive comment and thank you for being open minded. When you are camping in a relatively remote location you have to listen to the environment. If a storms coming stay away from creeks, rivers and big trees, if it's really dry and windy fires can be dangerous, if in north Australia stay away from waterways for there might be crocs.
It's something you'll hopefully learn as you go, camping done right is a lot of fun and rewarding but you have to put safety first.
We once had a fire on a remote property in south East Queensland and within 5 minutes I was putting it out after I realised how dry and windy it really was, I was actually worried that it might easily get out of control. Important thing is to look learn, nobody knows everything and know body is always right. Happy to answer any questions you might have about future camping trips 😀
Good on you Adam for sharing 👏 👍 Some people are so self absorbed they don't care about others. Having just come back from the Red Centre we fortunately had no problems at all except loosing the clutch at Kulgera
Love your videos mate. You and your family are so inspirational ❤️
Thanks William, 99% of the time we never had any problems, but I guess Kakadu really touched me and I feel I'm love with the place, just a shame some people don't have the same respect.
Lost the Clutch!!! Did you look under the seats? 😅 hopefully you go it sorted out ok and didn't lose to much time 😉
You are completely right mate and it's sad to see 😢.
Me and the boys were camped at Rainbow beach a few weeks ago for the first time in years.
Friday night it was quite with just a few people chasing the tailor at night but Saturday night was like a gold coast night club.
Music all night, chainsaws into the bush, fires ( on a total fire ban ), fireworks, burnouts up and down the beach all night so I didn't feel safe fishing and just complete anarchy.
Oh and the next morning fishing up the beach we even found drug syringe dumped in the sand.
It is sad to see these places being trashed and something has to change before there shut down 😢
So sad to hear mate, we have heard lots of stories like that about rainbow Beach and I haven't been there since I was a kid, and it's a place that will probably close soon and I don't know if I would be sad seeing it locked up.
@@GoingOverland yeah I feel the same but if it closes the people who caused it will just move on to the next place with no real loss. I feel for my kids as these places wont be there for them 😢
Thanks Adam,i was based as a surveilance officer at Ubirr for 4yrs,i know what your getting at.
Many a time i had to remind visitors that Kakadu is a federal park and is under those laws,iam
sorry those incidents may have dampend your visit but please revisit for alonger stay and see
the rest of the park.Thanks.😣
Oh yeah like I said at the start Kakadu is spectacular and definitely a place we loved, and I don't think this is a problem only in Kakadu, it could have happened anywhere, I think we where just unlucky to witness so many things all in 1 place.
I think ubirr was one of the best places on our trip and recommend it to everyone who asks
I hear you, about the lack of consideration for others. It's something that's really changed in our society in the last decade or so.
But sometimes it's a matter of perspective as well. While you might hate the sound of music, some people hate the sound of kids. Not necessarily your kids, but you know the clans that take over the place.
Our first or second day in Kakadu was at Ubirr and we got there while it was relatively quiet. Come sunset, the place was out of control. Glad we went and checked it out but I don't travel to be surounded by crowds.
Happy travels everyone. just think about your behaviour and how it impacts others. Not everyone likes your fires, your chainsaws, your drones or your loud voices.
Well said Andrew, it's true what you say and I would never ask anyone to turn off music in a noisy camp ground (hopefully it would be at a respectful volume) and nobody is perfect, but it's the small amount of people that are well in the wrong that are impacting everyone in a campground that need some sort of help😉
Great work guys you are spot on, In our and my travels It happens all the time, most centres around alcohol,
Thanks Graig for the support 👍, I think it's a really problem that camping has become a trend
Unfortunately mate these things occur all too often.. ive had a few encounters like that and more in my travels, from campfires in 30kn wind at Cape York to tug of war with 2 cars and a snatch strap with Shackles, to wake boarding at night with 2 boats in a small area with no lights.
We can educate the willing mate. In my previous job we trained people from all walks of life, some people are never taught how to dig a hole with a shovel. But once educated, they knew how.
Its all about education, hats off to those boys that you told about the fire for listening to your wise advice.
Great channel mate. Cheers
Thanks Rick for your support and positive feedback, Cape York is not the adventure it used to be and it's a shame it's turning into a problem area. And totally agree about those 2 young blokes, they where doing something they might not realise was a no no, listened and learnt. I think that should have been the message of this video, shame some people want to hijack the conversation and make it about race or age
what you said is correct, however it goes both ways for we went to Kakadu in the 70's and we had nothing but trouble with the indigenous persons through the whole park. It was so bad we never even got to see half the bloody sites we wanted to see. We even wrote to the NT tourist commission with no results. We left disgusted about the area for the price they charged us it was a total rip off just like the Jardine crossing in May this year. We are one nation but they are taking us for a ride whenever they can. So I agree with what you said about the respect for the area and culture however it goes both bloody ways.
Great calls, great vid. Excessively loud music at sites people visit for the tranquility sadly more commonplace esp when alcohol involved. I have approached people in those circumstances for a chat and experienced both ends of yr spectrum-understanding and apologies to outright threats of violence. Well done highlighting it and furthering the conversation around this lack of respect. Enjoy yr adventures
Thanks Phil and good on you for speaking out. It's really sad to hear the backlash from speaking to some people, I just hope they are empty threats and those people will have a little karma coming
Great video so keep them coming as we enjoy the content as well as your honesty.
I agree with everything you did. You can only appeal to peoples morals and common sense if they have them in the first place. The problem is that some people believe that its their right to do what they want where they want and if others dont like it, then tough. The good thing is these types are in the minority and if more of us spoke up, we will hpoefully educate others without a lot of fuss.
Also age is no barrier to poor behaviour an example is the family guy who was hell bent on having a fire. Ive had experiences with people who well and truely were old enough to know better, large groups travelling together who didnt give a rats who was around them as long as they had a good time.
Dont get me wrong I think that travelling in groups is a great thing as you have plenty of company and enjoy this great country of ours, but just be mindful of others that might not share your views or choice of music or the late night noise fests.
Rant over :)
Thanks Nr for the positive support, spoken like a true traveller 👍.
I agree with your sentiments. I’ve come across these problems many times. I’m not a big bloke but I stand my ground and do what you did. Don’t be afraid to take down number plates and report anyone who retaliates.
On the issue of the loud music, that is one of my top dislikes.
I have to say that I enjoy vicariously travelling via CZcams but just about EVERY 4wd video has blaring or at least annoying background music. To overcome this but still watch, I resort to turning the sound down and reading captions.
My thinking is; why spoil the experience with rubbish music. Does the videographer listen to the music whilst travelling around? Probably not. So why have it. As a viewer, I can’t experience what the videographer experienced if there are such distractions.
Cheers and keep teaching your children, and others, the right things about sharing our wonderful country. 👍🏻🙏🦘
Thanks Graham for the positive support, I'm glad to hear we are not the only ones that get ticked off from other people's music. I love hearing the animals, running water, or even the sound of nothing 😍
We are so with you on this. We have also experienced it. We go to these places to absorb their beauty and the wonder of nature - but for others it’s a party destination. We were snorkelling out the back at Turquoise Bay, Ningaloo and I heard loud music. I put my head up to look around and a young guy had his boom box with him on his SUP, out on the water, as he paddled around! I don’t get it either. Thx for your vid you did a great job of get our thoughts across 😀🤙
That's just painful, if someone wants to listen to music while out on the water they should have headphones on. It's so frustrating when you just want to soak in the place and experience 😫. Thanks for the support 👍
Mate you are spot on , you are a true nomad brother 👍👍
The bottom line is some people just do not respect anything or anyone except for themselves. It's always been that way but now it's easier than ever for that inconsiderate element to make thier way into the countryside.
First video of yours I've watched. Good common sense with no bs from somebody that is doing the exact sort of lap I want to do in the same rig as mine. Subbed & about to go look at your earlier stuff 🍻
Thanks mate for the support 👍 happy to answer any questions, but sometimes a bit of a delay when we are out of phone service.
Definitely check out our big lap play list for great locations and camps, we put wiki camps pins so people can see exactly where we are and can find the same places
Could not agree more with you. As a local I only got there in the wet season. To many people in the dry season. But that just seems to be everywhere these days.
Thanks mate for your support 👍 It is definitely getting harder to find places away from people, and why do we need to even find places away from others? It because of a small minority ruining camp sites for the majority
Had a situation when camping with our kids and friends. The neighboring campers were very loud into the night. Well, it just so happens that we are early risers so I gave them hell.
They had the gall to tell me to keep it down. Red rag to a bull so I ramped up the noise ( not music). They packed up and disappeared and we enjoyed the following night in peace.
And how many times do the birds make a racket before the sun comes up anyway! Good on you for returning the favour, I probably would have started up the old patrol 🤣 would wake anyone up
I couldn't agree with you more, it is getting more common in all areas of our lives unfortunately. Hats off to you for making a point and acknowledging that some people there were still normal and respectful, the other camper is a numbnut who won't at all. Stay safe.👍👍🙏
Thanks Trish for your positive support, it just a shame that it's even a video I had to make, but people are people, so there will unfortunately always be conflict
Thanks for your vid. You’re not being a grumpy old man. Unfortunately there are people that have trouble respecting places and others. Common sense sadly isn’t used it seems these days. We’ve had similar experiences while travelling and it’s disappointing at the lack of consideration and respect. But lucky there are still more wonderful people thankfully than the small percentage of disrespect idiots.
So true mate, we met so many amazing people on the road and have so many great memories, I think if just one of these issues in the video has happened in Kakadu it would be just the norm and quickly forgotten, but when they all happened within the 1 week in the 1 np it was something that rubbed me the wrong way ☹
Great video.. and yes, there's plenty of such people around.. sad really, but thanks for putting this up! Also .. these days you can get a gas fired firepit, which is much simpler to use and don't have to go around collect firewood and what not! We use that on the occasion we know we will hit camp spots with risks or where there is no fires allowed. They generally allow gas fired fire pits.. ;-)
Great thinking, I see them getting used a lot in the USA now and with worsening fire seasons and more people it'll probably be only a matter of time before fires are not allowed in national parks. I think they are a great idea and we might have to look into getting one👍
The problem these days is no one says anything.
Good on you for speaking up and clearly it was an education to the young fellas and credit to them for being respectful.
Some People are clueless and just plain rude. Thanks for posting the vid and don't apologise.
Cheers
Mick
Thanks so much Michael for the support and positive feedback. I think it's important to speak up, but you have to put safety first, so sometimes it's not always wise.
Really appreciate the positive support 🙌
Well said. And like what has already been said…..kudos to you and the family for speaking up.
I miss your travel videos….when are you all on the move again lol….
Thanks Paul, sometimes you just can't turn a blind eye. And a mini adventure is coming soon 🥶😅
Good on You Brother yes we were young & silly at one time.
Great the young Guys had respect for you & the Park.
Stay safe Cheers
Thanks Barry, exactly right, it's OK not to know the rules, but it's how you handle it when you're told you are doing something wrong, hats off to them 👍
Its good that you showed that. If there was one place that this yobbo behavior was not going to be seen I would have thought Kakadu was it.
We have camped along the murray river on and off for over 40 years. In recent years we no longer go on weekends, school holidays, public holidays etc. In fact we rarely go now. If we go it is mid week and the rubbish and mess left behind is awful. Parks Victoria will eventually close a lot of these camps because of the appalling behavior. And while it is mostly young people I have seen people in there 40s with kids doing the same. Loud music to all hours, huge fires, rubbish left behind, dangerous driving, ripping up tracks etc.
Thanks mate for the support, and it's true, these places will close and a part of me hopes they close them down sooner than later before people completely destroy the place. But it would be such a shame that future generations will never see these places. It's not a easy fix and I think we need to start talking about it a lot more, like seat belts and running red lights, it needs to be made antisocial
Dude, we are sooooo old now ;-) Well, compared to what we were in our 20's. You did the right thing. I find that most young men will listen if approached firmly and calmly. There are those who won't but most will. Being in charge of ourselves and handling conflict with others in a firm rational manner teaches not only them but your children as well how to deal with others. Well done. (Being a crusty old Navy Chief and well used to directing young testosterone-fueled men certainly helps in my case!)
🤣 speak for yourself, I'm no older than I was the other day🤣. Thanks for the positive support and comments, so true what you say, they stopped, listened and learnt, was worried at the time approaching a bloke swinging a axe but I was respectful and they in turn showed respect. 😀
Great show you tell it as it is with honour & honesty , By the way cats also sleep with one eye open when out in the wildlife , lol take care Cheers
🤣 yeah I was ready to pounce out of bed and get out of there 👍
In my 12 years of living in Nt, including living and working within Kakadu, and living in Darwin for 10 years, I have had many similar experiences, but sadly it’s locals (including indigenous), groups of 20somethings out for the day / weekend more than tourists who behave like this. It’s their way of saying “this is our spot” (tho not all of us are like that
Thanks for sharing mate. Have camped at those spots, sadly stupid behaviour is all too common in the national parks in the NT, and it’s usually locals, not interstate travellers dropping ciggie butts and beer cans everywhere, blasting music & swearing in front of kids. We spent 5 yrs in the NT, had some great times but also had some very bad experiences courtesy of selfish, thoughtless locals & don’t miss it. Good on you for highlighting the cultural significance of the place & for speaking up.
Thanks Andy for your support 👍, the NT is such a amazing place and seems to be full of adventure, I think people just need to find a better outlet than a national park and especially Kakadu
I was so excited to take the kids to Kakadu after loving it in the 90s... It was a series of disappointments. So many closures, litter, so busy and it was hard to avoid trouble makers (2019)
Sounds like things haven't changed much. It's a shame because Kakadu itself is stunning and I feel in love with the place
Yeah we set up camp at Litchfield, just got all set, cooking dinner and 4 utes pull in full of nuffies with slabs and set up camp next to us, cranked up their music, started throwing empties at the bin next to us. Knew we were in for a rough night so packed up and moved. Caught up with some people there and heard it went to 5am.
That's terrible, glad you moved on but it's a big job that you shouldn't have to do, especially when you should be sitting back and enjoying yourself
Well said! I also don't get the really really loud music, I remember hiking the Tongariro crossing in NZ and at one point being passed by someone who had a speaker strapped to their backpack blasting crappy techno music non-stop, ahh the serenity. The only thing worse than all the people you described are the racists who have somehow found their way into the comments section here, disgusting!
I know, this was never about race or age or a specific person, it's about all travellers. We all make mistakes and hopefully learn from them but then I have a saying I tell the kids, "people are people ". It means there will always be idiots and you can't change that.
Good on ya. Totally agree with you.
Thanks Andrew for your support 👍
I understand completely, so much disrespect these days. I have a problem with breathing after inhaling smoke. We have had to pack up and leave because even when it’s hot, some people must light a fire.
So true! And when it's not even used for cooking, why do you need it! I'm pretty sure a lot of places in nsw only allow fires if you are cooking, maybe it should be the same everywhere, but then again people would just cook a marshmallow on it🙄
Well said I know how you feel we have all been there
Thanks for the support, I fell in love with the place and guess was a little upset how other people were treating Kakadu
Good on you for speaking up.🙂
Thanks Kerry, I just couldn't sit back and watch it, I never imagined I would ever see someone cutting down a tree in a NP camp ground, let alone in Kakadu
@@GoingOverland it’s pretty disgusting it’s just total disrespect
Well said ya legend, good on you! Nothing wrong with pointing out stupidity, if there is we are all doomed!!!
😅 thanks Matt for the positive support, really appreciate it 👍
Perhaps the park authorities could put up signs at camp grounds stating the rules:
1) Due to previous disrespectful and inconsiderate behaviour, no music is permitted at camp grounds. Minimum fine of $1000.00.
2) Due to previous careless behaviour, fires are not allowed. Minimum fine $1000.00
3) Due to previous inconsiderate behaviour by some, no noise after 2300hrs. Minimum fine $1000.00
So true, and maybe make you sign a document saying you have read the rules and understand why it's important 🤔
I was at a camp ground when a few families turned up late enough to avoid paying the fees, they then used winches and snatch straps to pull out the treated pine logs used to fence the camp sites that they started to burn 🔥 when I saw little kids sitting around the fire toasting stuff I had to tell the adults that they are getting poisoned by the treatment inside the logs. It turned nasty quick and with no backup I had to pack up and leave
That's terrible! Those poor kids 😢 absolutely agree though you had to say something, just a shame some people just can't handle being told something without having a meltdown
Unfortunately this is how the 4wd scene is now. Had many nights out bush ruined by idiots having a bush doof, massive infernos you can feel 100m away, gas bottles thrown on fires, drunk driving around the campground at 2-3am and the list goes on. I've had to leave a campground just like you due to fire risk. Late January and still fire season so illegal to have a fire where I was. Ended up leaving and found out a few weeks later the spot they camped in did catch a light but was put out early enough. I'm a young guy and like having a good time but I have respect and look after the places I visit and respect the peace and quiet of others. Just can't tell these idiots!
Mate hats off to you, and I bet your mates, like I said this is not about young people, this is every generation and I'm sorry young people get the blame for a lot. We where all young once and we all did the same things, but like you said it's these people who are doing the really dumb things that are ruinning it for all age is not necessarily a factor, there are people who go camping and then there are campers
Thanks Adam good points. it all starts with education Young kids should to be taught to respect our great land from kinder I've been camping for over 50 years now . I love it. but one small group of drunk loud youngins can kill all the atmosphere and pleasure I'm glad that it's. Only sometimes Big educational message should be don't disrespect our country or others
Well said Jef🙌 I think there's a time and place for loud music and party games, and it's not camping around others in a NP. I usually feel bad get to a camp ground and there is only 1 site left and we make a little noise setting up, couldn't imagine ever not caring about others and putting on loud music and going about things like nobody else is there !
Noice bit of advice.... Cheers
Thanks Mark 👍
Totally agree with all you said 👍🏻
Thanks Jan for your support 👍
You could try taking some vids/pics or jotting down details and reporting it to the Dept of environment, land, water and planning, or by contacting the state's national parks authority with the details. But hats off to you for speaking up. 👍
I love my camping and exploring, doing it for many years now.
You are only saying what we are thinking. But in a nicer way. People like that and worse, are ruining this for us all.
RANT ON MY FRIEND. People need to know.
Thanks Scott for the support and positive feedback 😀 I know these things happen all the time and most of the time we just turn a blind eye, but sometimes enough is enough and we can't keep letting these people get away with it 👍
good onya mate for sticking up for whats right, unfortunately self discipline has a different place in society today when compared to our upbringing. Education and be held accountable are key for correcting behaviour. Also on other hand people like to do their own thing with out all the rules an regulations of today........as long as it harms no other. Music is the exception....thats not allowed anywhere than in your ear buds . Cheers from 2 west Aussies in Saudi.
Thanks guys again for your support 👍 you are definitely right about having places where you can enjoy with rules and regulations. We love those places, but Kakadu seems special, and even I'm ashamed of breaking the rules. I think they should really make people understand what the place is about before entering and how special it is to all people
Fair call, maybe write book on do’s n don’t when camping in Australia, for most young Australians who live in city have never seen what wild fire can do, we taken Australians n over seas backpackers out to see aftermath of bushfires n farm fires. They are amazed the size n quickly fire cover the area.
Yeah it's not something to take lightly, not long ago a camp fire burnt nearly half of Fraser Island and it couldn't be put out until it started raining
😎🤙🛻🏞️🏜️🌄well done ! 📹🎬
Thanks Brent 👍
Nothing pisses me off more than people and their music in camps or at swimming holes
Thanks Scott for the support 👍
I'm surprised you could hear anything over the buzzing of mosquito's in Kakadu. I've stayed there twice now, never again
Well done
Thanks Peter 👍
I'm 55 & just experienced the same thing while camping in a picturesque spot with three separate camps some with kids in the camp all very respectful. Then 10.00pm two 4WD's roll in with spotlights on to find a spot, start setting up chainsaws going flat out & music going night club LOUD till 4.00am. I couldn't believe it, I was on my own and thinking of the other poor campers with kids. All young blokes they know that no one is going to say anything to them. There is a lot of young cowboy bushwhackers out there that have absolutely zero respect for anything or anyone. I tend to camp in more isolated spots now for fear of the same thing as its happened a few times and totally ruins the trip because I cant relax & like you sleep with one eye open. I don't know what the answer is😥
Thanks Graig for sharing, I hear you mate, it's terrible. I hope everyone got up at 5 am and start making noise, but most of the time we are to respectful. It probably one of the reasons we too love remote travel and camps.
A few years ago, my family, inclusive of a young child, camped at Inskip, (near Rainbow Beach). It was a picturesque location, watching Nature at work, in beautiful sunsets over Fraser; listening to the rhythmic wave action of the waves hitting the beach etc. Everywhere the beautiful sounds of nature abounded, and it was clear that for most of the campers in the immediate vicinity, they had come to relish these experiences in peace and quiet as well. Not far from where we were camping, a group of numerous young people had suddenly arrived in cars, setting up camp (our closest neighbour). We thought nothing ill of this, our camping experiences thus far, usually positive. Under Queensland National Park Rules (which I would suspect would be similar in other States and Territories), excessive noise is prohibited after 10.00 pm, allowing for the comfort of other campers. Further, because of the normal windy conditions near the beaches, open fires are also disallowed. Anyway, as evening came, the young ones nearest us cranked up their music, which would later include a music genre called, 'Screamo', which as the name suggests, are musicians screeching out in guttural sounding noise, (there is no art to this style of so called music!). In our minds, no matter how annoying, we thought they had a right to play it at least until 10 (being a Friday night, we also wanted to give them a reasonable chance to enjoy themselves) - but 10 came, then 11, 12 - the music was so loud and penetrating, its whole style and force, putting us all on edge. On a few occasions members of the group (usually girlfriends would walk past our campsite on the way to the beach, using a beach access pathway down. Each time, we would politely would tell/beseech them that their music was way too loud, causing us not to sleep, especially upsetting for our young child. Individually, they would agree, almost embarrassingly, that their music was too loud and that they would speak to the party leaders, though to no avail. Then 1 am, 2 am came, and still the music bellowed on - this hard, angry booming music, which we began to fear the party goers were quiet possibly not just drunk but high on other substances, as we noted their behaviour become even more wild, as they ranted and yelled out like a pack of animals. You do come to a conclusion, that approaching the ring leaders whilst in the clear state of mind they are in, would not be wise. Then we noticed the group had started up a bon fire on the beach itself, despite it being typically very windy, as well as against the Law. We carefully watched on, and certainly, had we known their antics would go on for so long, we would have packed up our tent set up and moved much earlier, because it was now about 4 am , before their campsite became immediately quiet - exhaustion set in.. Now I am not a wowser, and in the beginning, my husband and I were very tolerant, but for this group to have partied on so long, not to mention their style of music, was completely selfish and unacceptable. They could have easily have stayed at home and did what they did, because they had no appreciation of enjoying a true camping experience. Eventually, the National Park Rangers came the next day to do their typical checks/validation. It was not my intention to necessarily dob in these young campers, but since we had paid for the privilege of camping here, I inquired of the rangers how long would the young party be staying, because if another night, we had wanted to relocate to a different campsite altogether along the Inskip strip, save another insane night. The Rangers then inquired further, and we told them about our experiences with the music; and fire on the beach (which when fires like this get out of control, can pose huge risks to human life/property, as well as to the animals and delicate flora that inhabit the region. In the end, I advised the Rangers could they just lecture the young ones on why there are these rules. The rangers anyway checked with other groups of campers camping furthest away (some distance, yet all confirmed the excessively noisy music until early hrs of morning). To cut to chase, they were given a $500 fine, and told they were also liable for another fine for setting fire on beach, which rangers would impose if they found out later that they had given us any trouble for putting them in. (I think it would have been another $700 from memory). Fortunately, they were very meek, and soon packed up their gear to go home. It is never the nicest experience to have to make a complaint, but, this group of self entitled young people, had been asked countless times to turn their music down, once it was very late, as well about the illegality of their beach fire. As per fires, well, of late a group of campers had been on Fraser Island, and had an illegal fire on the beach, which when leaving, they simply threw sand over which they thought would extinguish. (only an adequate amount of water will do this, and no one should just leave a camping fire, not to mention having a fire where there is a fine ban. So for all those commenting on here about senseless whining, maybe read this article about the referred Fraser island fire. At the end of day, if people keep acting like inconsiderate idiots, then this can only cause for the parks to close for campers, the vast majority which are decent and considerate human beings. 7news.com.au/news/qld/campers-who-set-half-of-heritage-listed-fraser-island-on-fire-receive-fines-c-2002085
Hey Anne first off I feel I should apologise for what you had to go through, that was terrible! And don't blame you for not speaking to them at the party point, when alcohol is involved it could be dangerous.
I think if people are doing that then maybe the police should be involved 🤔 and having a fire on the beach is a great way for a child to get 3rd degree burns the next day or two.
People who don't like being told that a fire or music is not acceptable in public spaces at certain times shouldn't be allowed out in public spaces.
Thanks for the support 👍
@@GoingOverland Cheers to you. My husband and I love your videos, your style of camping. And when I heard your above presentation, I immediately recalled the horrific experience we had at Inskip. Via numerous people that came from that campsite, past our our setup, to go to the beach and back, we were very clear, all the while polite, about how unacceptable their loud music was at the times played, but they couldn't care less. I do not justify violence of any sort, but in many ways they were lucky to have encountered people as ourselves who gave them many chances, and still only advised the National Park Rangers to educate them for any future camping they intended. It was the Rangers that elected to impose the fines, as they later advised us, when checking up to see we were okay. I should imagine there would be some less tolerant Australians who could have handled the whole situation differently, in a not so good way. In most part, our camping experiences with others has been terrific. Cheers, and happy to support and recommend you.
G'day Adam, mate don't be sorry for the " rant", which it is not, but like you've said" merely an educational video". If just, one person out of ten takes something from this, then they're on the right track!.
Thanks Glenn, good to hear from you mate, and thanks for the support 👍
Yes, Australia is a free country, but as we live in a society with
all the benefits that a society offers, we have responsibilities
and these involve considering OTHER members of our society,
regardless of where we are.
Apart from the common sense aspects this video raises regarding
fires and the appropriate times/uses, ask yourselves,
why do we visit these places in the first place?
We want to be in nature, to experience the isolation, the tranquil beauty
and immerse ourselves in to something, far grander than ourselves
and more ancient, than anything we know.
To almost walk back in time and take the opportunity, to think and
wonder about the past, the spiritual connection of not only our first nation
people's connection to the land, but our own place in it.
Our society these days is often as shallow as a baby's bath but our
ancient land deserves far deeper respect and consideration from us all,
when we choose to get out there and explore it for ourselves.
To put it simply,
IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT YOU AND YOUR'S WE SHARE THIS LAND, SO SHARE IT!
and think about what you are doing, at all times.
I could not have said that better, what you said was exactly how I felt in Kakadu, it was a very spiritual place and it was like going back in time into someone's house.
If someone came into my grandmother's house and was being disrespectful I would have thrown them out and said never come back 😤
Thanks so much for the support and articulating what I was feeling. It was a very humbling experience visiting Kakadu 🙌
I live in a rural tourist area and we get really crappy tourists and shackies, I wish I could say it was the minority. It’s all ages and so many bad behaviours like rude customers to our small stores (who think they should get preferred service because they spend $20 once or twice), trash holiday accommodation, don’t obey road signs or rules, parents letting kids ride bikes on road ways with no helmets, allowing kids to destroy public/private property etc, dumping garbage bags of rubbish along road ways and in public area’s.
A couple in their 50’s bought a weekend block of land beside us and had a fire all weekend in a fire ban, I don’t mind as long as the person is going to act responsibly but they left the property often and for hours at a time and just left it going unattended in peak bush fire season and when they left on Sunday it was still going 5 hours later when I went and put it out. It’s like people leave their brains at home when they leave for a holiday and it ruins it for everyone.
Hopefully more people see this, I agreed with everything. The problem is, the people not putting common sense into place are selfish. Towards others and the land in which they are abusing.
Thanks Aaron, completely agree. I just worry these places may close and future generations of travellers will miss out
We travelled Aust 24yrs ago & had a very similar experience in same area, from a drunk tour guide🙄
A tour guide! That's setting a horrible example and hopefully a lot of companies are a lot more professional now
@@GoingOverland hopefully less groups & higher standards
Unfortunately its mostly the young generation of today that have no respect and no common sense. Blame the parents of these disrespectful people because thats usually where it starts from,little to no discipline as kids so they grow up with no morals and no boundaries and no respect. I travelled around Australia back in the late 80s till the late 90s and it was totally different 40 years ago as todays generation wasn't even thought of when i was travelling. Not once in 10 years of travelling did we encounter anything like you have described here,it shouldn't happen and it really would leave a sour taste in the mouth having to deal with this unacceptable behaviour. I hope you reported these aholes for their behaviour, and i hope it hasn't put a dampener on your trip around this amazing country of ours.
Thanks for the comments but its happening a lot, especially with fires, rubbish and toilet paper. It’s a beautiful country lets keep it that way.
Oh don't get me started with toilet paper, it's the worst, one of the reasons we always travel with a porta potti, I would hate for our kids to have to walk into the bush through everyone's toilet paper to do their business.
There is an arrogance in society now that plays out in the sort of selfish inconsiderate behaviour that you witnessed. It’s certainly more of a problem now than ever before. I was in Kakadu several years ago now and we had a brilliant stay. I was a little overwhelmed at the sheer volume of people there though. Going on a walk we were like a stream of ants walking through the bush. I wondered how the place could ever be protected from being loved to ruin. Luckily, the only incident I had was with an international visitor who walked to the counter as I was talking to a ranger and physically elbowed me out of the way and began talking as though I wasn’t already talking. I was so shocked I was speechless.
It's a shame because Kakadu is such a beautiful place and it really is worth the visit. That's dreadful behaviour to cop, to be elbowed like that, hope the ranger seen it and told the person to bugger off
I can understand your frustration mate, we have had similar issues at Noosa North Shore and Fraser. Why do people go to a National park camp ground to have a grog party. Its like taking a Bluetooth speaker to the beach or a campsite, why, aren't you there to enjoy the quiet and the serenity ( I sound like Darryl Kerrigan from the castle LOL). I don't want to sound like an old fart but when we travelled around like you guys in the late 80's, nothing like this used to happen. It seemed everyone respected the bush and anyone else who was about. Is it generational, lack of respect or education? I don't think there are any easy answers at this time.
I am really enjoying your channel, as someone else said earlier, your keeping it real and you haven't got a commercialized back up team behind you. I'm up to #9 on your "Big lap" and inspired again. I see you use Hema and wikicamps a bit, It would be interesting to hear your thoughts and see what sort of process you go through when you plan your treks.
Keep up the good work , loving your videos and look forward to more.
Thanks Craig for your support and hitting the nail on the head, thankfully we didn't see to much of this sort of thing but thought it was important to share what happened.
As for our trip research I did exactly what you are doing, watching other people's travel on CZcams and writing a list of places we really wanted to see and places that could be OK as a backup. Then we tried to make a route and how we could travel without backtracking. It worked out really good, wikicamps is a must for finding water, dump points and free camps. The hema was a little frustrating but I really like it in the explore mode when on a remote track to see exactly where we are, otherwise the Google map on the phone was way easier to use
Spent 30yrs up there and there is a lot of disrespectful people in that part of the world. Then there is the travellers.
In QLD now and seem to be much better.
Would be really interested to know if they had NT plates on their vehicles.
I didn't look, at the time I was more worried keeping the kids away from what was happening.
You are within your rights to speak up and take control by not doing this you are lowering yourself to their standards. More people like you need to stand up and say enough is enough thank you
Another really big, but oft not mentioned issue is when mobs of blokes head up for the 'great fishing adventure' and end up taking protected fish, undersized and female crabs, and undersized fish. One mob got run out of the place they were staying because they brought home a dozen crabs that wouldn't have been 10cm across the shell.
That's just wrong, and I bet they see no problem with what they are doing. And then they are the first to complain that there is no fish to catch. It's a shame we have laws, but it's a bigger shame there are people out there who are the reason why we need laws. Thanks for the support 👍
The fire I agree, young people playing music , and enjoying themselves come on mate really
There's playing music, and then there is playing music loudly, or at an inappropriate time. Why should people have to put up with another's excessively loud music? Leave the loud music at home or when travelling in the car, but if camping next to people, tone it down. Better to get on with people, by act respectfully.
Inflicting your music on other people camping is so f***ing selfish. Ever think they don’t want to hear your music? Even on the Murray you can be camped in the most quiet beautiful spots and a tinnie full of bogans anchors dead in front of you cranking out their bs tunes on full volume. Then you see the same blokes keeping huge Murray Cod. No coincidence. Just self centred morons.
are you hayle ( ldk how to spell your name ) im from school and wow you guys have 9k subs!
OMG more wines than the Barossa valley
Yes, so many idiots drinking to excess and not able to make wise choices. Not just too many wines, beers and spirits, but likely prohibited drugs as well. It is incredibly sad and telling that some people behave as they do; they can spoil it for so many.
There`s no common sense with some people now days. Look at how some people drive on the roads ` idiots ` . Great video great in sight and ended up Subscribe to your channel. Out of interest did you go to Gove Nhulunbuy ` Northern Territory ` .
Thanks mate for watching and the support, unfortunately time was running out and couldn't get out to Gove meet a great bloke who used to live there and was going back for a couple of weeks, and said the place is great. We have a list of places for lap 2 when we get the chance 👍
@@GoingOverland I grew up there 70`s and 80`s alot changed now but they should of left the town like the 70`s and 80`s. Its such a great place did alot of things up there fishing etc swim with the crocs as kids wouldnt do it now. Alot of history Gove has and the war time as well.
TOTALLY Agree. especially the younger generation, don't know how to do nothing and be happy. If you want your music loud, get headphones. FFS
Kakadu, The rangers should do a drive by at 09:00 pm or 10:00 pm for idiots. . Gee you pay enough to camp there. with park passes etc.
For any park for that matter. A lot of caravan parks that are large will have someone drive by at 10:00 on a gas or Electric golf cart to make user thee is no noise, and you can always ring the manager on duty, Some should be for national parks.
Signs, Rangers need to do their job, Check-in, respect, BUT I WOULD CALL PEOPLE OUT for doing the wrong things in the national park.
Thanks so much for the positive support and kind words 👍
If you want to camp with loud music then go to a music festival. As for the bloke who lit the campfire, maybe you should have hitched him to the back of the car instead of the trailer😄
🤣 yeah that would have been fun. Cheers for the support 👍
It is a shame that such beautiful and sacred places are treated so poorly and that no respect for others is shown. You've also got the idiots that leave their rubbish behind causing many locations to be closed. And the severe lack of common sense in that fire risk situation is astonishing. Sadly, there will always be idiots that ruin things for the rest of us.
Thanks again Paul for your support 👍, it is such a shame that places like this might close and future generations will miss out. There is no easy solution but I think speaking out is a start
who would lit a fire on that temp i wouldn't do im in SEA hahaha! well for the music part have a country song low volume and relax, not those
boom boom songs 😂😂
Yeah so right 👍 I don't mind if someone is playing a little music at camp during the day, but to go to a popular natural oasis and turn it into a night club is just disrespectful. Thanks for the support 👍
Even if they aren't rules per say, people need to regain moral obligations... As the great Shane Warne used to say manners don't cost anything
Great advice, I think Shane hit the nail on the head, and it's great you get a nice camping neighbour and have a good chin wag
Generators are my pet peeve
Yes me too! Come to a national park and experience the wonderful sounds and smells with a petrol generator in the next camp site is such a experience 😬.
If you need a generator after 1 night of camping your set-up is all wrong. Thanks for the support and watching 👍
We live in Darwin....have done for over 25 years........we call them tropical bogans. There is generally 3 types , local bogans, southern bogans who have transplanted to the NT...a lot from SA....and then young travellers. Pisses me off no end....but Parks contribute to the problem with the stupid set up of the camps sites having ppl so close to each other. I don't drive hours to camp next to ppl closer than I am to my neighbours in the suburbs! Campsites should be secluded....but Parks set them up like a bloody car park....just stupid!
Mate, I reckon if someone gave you a tray with a million $ you would whinge they gave you the wrong notes, you kn ow I wanted $r0 note and you gave me $100’s. you should check your information, there are signs for,people to gather fire wood. Most camp sites have fire,rings for campers to use. Barramundi Gorge - Maguk. Has never had campground managers.
You are right campers are not permitted to chop down trees.
I agree loud music should not happen, it can disturb others.
It is everyone’s right to enjoy their holidays, unfortunately some peoples enjoyment is to another tourists.
Enjoy your travels.
Sadly the behaviour you have mentioned is all too common. I often camp in the Watagan Mountains (State Forest) and have come across pretty much everything you mentioned. Full blown Rave Parties with DJ and all, Idiots with fires burning taller and wider than their 4wd's, people drinking while still out on the tracks and gazetted roads. Unfortunately some people tend to think that once the pavement stops so do the rules. I have not witnessed anyone cutting down tree's although I have seen signs of it. Why people would try to burn green wood like a fresh cut tree is beyond me anyway. I gather fallen timbers and being a State Forest that is legal but I never take more than about my forearm in thickness and never make a fire more than maybe 1m high and across. There simply is no need for it.
Thanks Mick, and it's a real shame places like the Watagans is turning that way. I'm definitely not against people having camp fires and cooking fires, we do it all the time especially when it's cold, but when it's the end of the dry and a place is 1 amber away from going up, and strong winds, you shouldn't need a sign to say "NO FIRES TONIGHT "
thanks for the support 👍
I live in Cairns, & camp a lot up here.
I honestly never ever have a fire.
There’s nothing worse then having the smoke go through all your gear when your away.
Then spending a full week airing it all out.
Some people only think of themselves 👍
🤣 yes that smell of camp fire in your clothes and car always hits you when you get home
Well said mate,been in a few instances meself with dickheads rampaging around campsites being total yobbos,unfortunate to say the younger is the majority of the aspect,but,I have seen a fair few old grots do the same thing trying to reclaim their youth or some bloody thing,so if you're caught in a situation like that be careful what you decide to do,it might cost you more than bruised ego!
Thanks mate for the support 👍 and have to agree, it's not always the young guys
We were at Buley Rockholes in Litchfield last week and were disappointed when a large group of overseas backpackers 🇬🇧 in their 20's turned up and set up with their esky full of beer and loud music. I approached them and said you can't have glass down near the water, if glass gets broken down on the waters edge it's dangerous for everyone else. Well they just raised their voice and yelled at me like I was in the wrong. It's these self-entitled people who have no regard for the rules that will ruin these beautiful areas and soon no one will be allowed to go there 😒
Sorry to hear, that's appalling and good on you for standing up and saying something. We had someone smoking right next to us and the kids and we told them you can't smoke here, they just called us the fun police and sat next to another family. It's getting so frustrating 😫
Unfortunately, there are far too many people walking on this planet who don't have an ounce of common sense. They are the people that are wasting the oxygen I breathe.
Good on you for speaking up, in addition to placing other campers in potential harm think about the park, if a fire gets away it damages the environment, the native flora and fauna who reside there. The traditional owners burn the land when appropriate and in the right way, cool and hot burns when the environment tells them it is safe to do so. When will people educate themselves, their ignorance is astounding…. And SO disrespectful to the owners who live on and manage their country, have done for thousands of years, and welcome us onto their magnificent home.
Unfortunately someone else's idea of a good time camping and travelling isn't the same as yours and mine.
Very true and normal we would turn a blind eye. Thanks for the support 👍
Unfortunately these people are everywhere you go.... Just look at the toilet paper everywhere up the Cape these days :(
I have a question if I may, what camper are you guys using?
Sorry for the delayed reply, been out of phone range, it's a lifestyle breakaway hybrid. It's been a amazing trailer and handled a lap of Australia last year. czcams.com/video/YcyHWWJEn9c/video.html
From an outsider looking in who has lived in Australia for 20+ yrs I've noticed that Aussies love to push things to the limit. That works great in sports and competitive culture but to the detriment at other times.
You would think people understand common sense as they get older but this need to push things to the limit in Oz culture is deeply ingrained.
Sadly there are a few people who just seem to love to ruin things for everyone else. Thankfully they are a pretty small minority but we have experienced them a few times on out travels. Loud music in the bush is something I really hate but we had one experience where it even happened in a caravan park. It went on all night and nobody who had the authority to do something about it lifted a finger to stop it. Never went back to that park and never will. (Westbay Augusta). Trouble is, there are so many nut jobs around, trying to sort things out yourself can be dangerous. We know of an incident at the Quobba campsite near Carnarvon where somebody got hospitalised when they were attacked after complaining about a fire being lit next to their vehicle. Another incident that was well reported was when camp hosts at Cosy Corner East near Albany had their 4x4 burnt to the ground after they had to bring in the ranger to evict a rowdy group. Cops knew who did it but took no action. We even had rocks thrown at our old Coaster at 40 Mile when we asked one group to keep their noise down so these days we just keep to ourselves and try not to camp near other people as much as possible.
That's terrible to hear and I hope we never have to go through anything like that, i don't know what to say about those sorts of people! We too also try to camp alone but in NPs it's not usually possible and it's a shame these problems are getting worse and worse. It would be great if there was a permit system where you have to do a one on one interview to be allowed into these beautiful places
what app do you use
and do we need to
pay? not maintained any ghost? 😂😂🙈
Maybe if they shut the place down for 6 months,then people might obey the rules.
So true John, that might make people wake up to the fact it's not a right to visit these places, it's a privilege
Hence the word irony in my comment. Need I say more.
Where’s the rangers don’t they have patrols
No, only in selected areas. Kakadu is huge and it's up to individuals to do the right thing. But people are people 🙄
Belligerent people are everywhere, it's the younger generation who think we all owe them something.Respect was learned staring at a mobile phone. it is hard to understand and navigate the world we now live in.........Sad really!.
Thanks Ozzie, it's definitely something we try and teach our kids, and I'm so proud of them when they do simple things like thanking the crossing guard when going to school. But is it the older generation who forgot to teach their kids 🤔 or the new generation not listening 🤔
Thanks your video and comments were sensible and true and I agree, its a problem or lack of common sense and lack of respect for everyone else.
But more rules and more lock outs are NOT the answer as some comments here suggest.
Kakadu and most roads and waterways and bush of the NT are already shut down and most of the population not allowed to visit, For example Kakadu and Litchfield used to have far more tracks, camp sites and areas than they do now.
Solving the problem should be about Education and giving all Australian's more say and access, understanding and experience of our natural and cultural heritage.
Pastoralists, mining companies, and none of us, including sections of the populaton, should have the right to lock everyone else out of massive parts of Australia. In the Northern Territory Ordinary Citizens are not allowed to enter approximately 80% of the land mass, rivers, beaches and waterways and National parks, even most parts of the Sea near the coastline. This even includes tens of thousands of Kilometers of roads that your taxes pay for but you are not allowed to drive on.
Its also about National Parks who need to stop trying to re-create suburbia in campgrounds, stop closing roads because they still have a puddle of water on them. Why do they insist on building campgrounds Forcing people so close and clearing and putting down gravel hard stands and too many facilities.
No one can enjoy the bush and appreicate nature when National Parks are trying to put up as many bollards and hardstand areas as a shopping center car park. The more National Parks do that, it just re-inforces and that helps to create the mentatility of those that bring music and impact on everyone else.
I was in New Zealand they seem to have a completely different attitude to people camping and visiting nature there, its much more open, people are expected to be fuly self sufficient (including for toileting and not putting toilet paper everywhere). It seems to work far better than the Lock it up, stop people from experiencing and enjoying the bush and stupid restrictions (I'm not talking about common sense restrictions about not destroying nature, not chopping down trees (even dead trees are very important for animal habitats), not impacting on others, I'm talking about all the access restrictions and lack of camping sites and allowing people to exerience nature.
Its just that we are becoming too much of a nanny state, the issue is that these idiots described in the video, probably did not get to experience or understand nature (becuase they are locked out of so much of it as we are close to Darwin) and as a result thing that bringing suburbia, loud music and not considering the environment and others is just something they never learnt as kids.
Very well said mate, your on the money there, and I totally agree. I love it when we can battle along a rough track and see not alot of other vehicles and camp beside the track in a remote area. The fact that Np have bitumen roads 90% throughout them means they get a lot of traffic and it's impossible to do this sort of camping. The best camping we did in Kakadu was 8km down a dusty track and nobody was there, yet at the start of the track was a bitumen camping area full of motor homes, cars and people!
Great video, was not a rant nor you being a grumpy old bastard. Things like this just ruin peoples experiences and getaways. I left Exmouth early due to unsociable behaviour (loud, drug taking, bottle smashing), it completely ruined Exmouth for me and I probably won’t go back.
That's really sad to hear, and it's probably why we really enjoyed the remote areas and camping at spots that had no points of interest, no body else wants to camp there and we love seeing and hearing nothing.
@@GoingOverland very disappointed Adam we watch your guy as a family together my son old enough to read and ask what is a Abo's how would you like me to explain that to him look after you Channel one But no anymore how would you explain to your kids or they use the horrible word to describe erase 🤔