I have been a ‘Born Again Christian’ since March 10th, 1992 (I just turned 74 on February 23rd)....the one thing I know that is the absolute truth is “JESUS LOVES ME COMPLETELY”. Jesus would not love me more if I did more things better & Jesus doesn’t love me less when I stumble on this faith journey I am on with Him. I also believe if I was the only person on earth who needed salvation....JESUS would have gone to the cross just for me..I truly believe this. I am not a Bible Scholar, but I don’t have to be to know in my heart just how much I am loved by the King of kings and the Lord of lords 🙏👆🙏 AWESOME CONVERSATION AROUND THE TABLE TODAY 🙏❤️🙏
Mark, I had the same experience with my mother. She questioned my salvation in a fit of frustration when I was in high school. I haven't forgotten it, and it has led to doubts about my own salvation in my life. It is so hard not to let what people say in frustration to affect you in the long-term.
As someone who loves anime and Japanese culture hearing Mark so confidently say Gods involvement in our life is like a *RED THREAD* was like a lightning bolt moment. Not only that but it mentions threads and God a number of times in the Bible, thinking of that in light of the way the Japanese see 'the red thread of fate' but replacing what's said about the romantic partners with the Song of Solomon version of God reaching out to us, that's really powerful.
The written law needs to get in our heart by Faith and Grace, I was just thinking of this verse today: For the law came by Moses, Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ. Once we have Christ and are reconnected to God by His Spirit, we need to take Him at His Word. Love the Lord your God with al your heart mind and strength and love your neighbor as yourself, on this hang all the law and prophets.
“If all I knew about God was the Old Testament I wouldn’t like him very much.” That’s very telling about your understanding of Jesus. The same Jesus who raised the young girl from the dead also drowned the world in a flood. You can’t chop the Bible in half and create this modern hippy Jesus with the parts you like. I do agree that the progression of revelation was apexed at Jesus. He fulfills the OT, but that doesn’t separate the character of YHWH and Jesus.
I will really look forward to watching this -- at home, after work, where it won't be echoing through the office as it did when I tried to get it to stop playing. 😳 Apparently I touched a wrong button! The iPhone 7+ has a hair trigger on it somewhere, and it is LOUD!!!
I love Jesus, Methodist Church, you and chocolate cake with caramel, sandwiches with butter and lamb,pops,and delicious moments together the Christians!love my protestant lifestyle
I like the conversation with Rabbi Finkelstein, and I hope he will keep seeking the truth. If he keeps searching in the law and prophets, he will find Jesus the Christ (Yeshua HaMashiach). The promises of Him are all through the law and especially the prophets. Isaiah 53 is probably the most obvious reference to Jesus but there are thousands and they all lead to Jesus being born of the tribe of Judah, in the line of David, in the town of Bethlehem Ephrathah during the time of the Roman Empire, that He was to be rejected by His own people, condemned to death but put in a rich man's grave, resurrected on the third day, to justify all who come to Him. Mr. Finkelstein mentioned trying to know God through obeying the law, but he needs to know that while obedience to God is very important, Abraham did not reach God through the law. God asked Abraham to follow Him and to go wherever He sent him, and Abraham believed God and obeyed Him (not His law, but HIM!) This was counted to Abraham as righteousness. He was justified before there was a law to obey. And the law of Moses requires that every tiny little part be perfectly obeyed OR ELSE. If we break one part of the law, the entire law is broken. As Job said, we HAVE to have a mediator. We cannot be saved from death without the sacrificed Lamb. When Jesus died at Passover, He fulfilled the law once and for all. The man who knew no sin BECAME sin (just as the blood of the passover lamb painted on the door saved the Israelites from the death angel). The universal law says that if you sin you die. Sin brings death, just as it did with Adam and Eve. Jesus had no sin, BUT He died. He took away the curses because death had no right to Him. Jesus's resurrection from the dead is OUR resurrection from death. Hallelujah!
I really like this. I always thought point of grace was a little too high and mighty. Just experience I had with them when I was younger. But I really liked what they had to say.
Ya'll! God separation began with Eve and Adam's sinful nature, which began the struggle, where He said he is above - instead of the walk on earth together - which was his plan , to commune with his creation - but they sinned! so God isn't evolving etc... and he was mad at creation over the OT period of time because of how ugly and nasty people were, it broke his heart - therefore he had Jesus as the propitiation for us all... (and we are still ugly and nasty in this crazy upside down world - thanks to Satan - that ugly enemy!)
Jesus said in John 5 that the Scriptures spoke of Him. He is saying that He is the thread in what we gentiles call the Old Testament. From Genesis 3:15 where we see the first announcement of the seed of the woman, to Malachi's pronouncement that Elijah would return before the coming of the Lord ie Jesus then Jesus is the thread. In the New Testament Jesus said in John 8:58 Before Abraham was born I AM. He was claiming to be the God of the Old Testament. One thing we have to remember is that many of the Old Testament Laws were written for Israel and not the Church. This is not to mean there was no grace in the Old Testament. Isaiah 1 God says, "Come let us reason together says the Lord. Though your sins are as red as scarlet, I will make them white as snow." That is grace which is offered to the people of the nation. What we struggle with today is understanding that God deals with a nation far different than he does the Church. His purposes are different. His way of relating is far different. But He is the same God and there is grace,mercy, and the call is on everyone He calls.
Christians should not drink wine as the non believers do. Otherwise, where is the point of difference? Proverbs 20:1 says Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise.
What nonsense! Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. The idea of God of the OT being mean and that of the NT being full of Grace, setting them in opposition merely shows people who've never read the Bible, IMNSHO. This 2 God idea is anathema to the simplest of Elementary Heb. 6:1 Christianity. I think it does point out the lack of total Biblical knowledge specifically how bad children have been taught. It sort of reminds me of the horrible book and horribly written book called What's so Amazing about Grace by the CT dude.
We love reading these comments. So wonderful to have the conversation, John. Thank you for joining us. Shelley may have said it best, for this episode at least, that Jesus fulfills the Old Testament. Reading the Major Prophets (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, and Daniel) points to the Messiah - God with skin. WOW!
I have been a ‘Born Again Christian’ since March 10th, 1992 (I just turned 74 on February 23rd)....the one thing I know that is the absolute truth is “JESUS LOVES ME COMPLETELY”. Jesus would not love me more if I did more things better & Jesus doesn’t love me less when I stumble on this faith journey I am on with Him. I also believe if I was the only person on earth who needed salvation....JESUS would have gone to the cross just for me..I truly believe this. I am not a Bible Scholar, but I don’t have to be to know in my heart just how much I am loved by the King of kings and the Lord of lords 🙏👆🙏 AWESOME CONVERSATION AROUND THE TABLE TODAY 🙏❤️🙏
Mark, I had the same experience with my mother. She questioned my salvation in a fit of frustration when I was in high school. I haven't forgotten it, and it has led to doubts about my own salvation in my life. It is so hard not to let what people say in frustration to affect you in the long-term.
I love what Mark said, "He's a lot nicer than what we were told". Could relate to that. Loved this topic. Thank you Mark. Blessings. ♥♥♥
I loved the We wear them out every day
I love you ❤️😘 Mark and Andrew
I love you 😘💕❤️ Mark and Andrew
As someone who loves anime and Japanese culture hearing Mark so confidently say Gods involvement in our life is like a *RED THREAD* was like a lightning bolt moment. Not only that but it mentions threads and God a number of times in the Bible, thinking of that in light of the way the Japanese see 'the red thread of fate' but replacing what's said about the romantic partners with the Song of Solomon version of God reaching out to us, that's really powerful.
The bible days God remains the same yesterday, today and forever.
I love this conversation!
This was SUCCCCCCCH a good one. Bring them back!!!!
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I love you 😘❤️💕 Point of grace
Loved this one soooo much!
I Thank God every day for the gift of grace.
The written law needs to get in our heart by Faith and Grace, I was just thinking of this verse today: For the law came by Moses, Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ. Once we have Christ and are reconnected to God by His Spirit, we need to take Him at His Word. Love the Lord your God with al your heart mind and strength and love your neighbor as yourself, on this hang all the law and prophets.
My favorite conversation so far!
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I loved the show so much! Thank you! :)
Our pleasure, Elaine!
Love this conversation.
Thanks for joining us, Myra!
“If all I knew about God was the Old Testament I wouldn’t like him very much.” That’s very telling about your understanding of Jesus. The same Jesus who raised the young girl from the dead also drowned the world in a flood. You can’t chop the Bible in half and create this modern hippy Jesus with the parts you like.
I do agree that the progression of revelation was apexed at Jesus. He fulfills the OT, but that doesn’t separate the character of YHWH and Jesus.
Mark I'm for Hawaii too
I will really look forward to watching this -- at home, after work, where it won't be echoing through the office as it did when I tried to get it to stop playing. 😳 Apparently I touched a wrong button! The iPhone 7+ has a hair trigger on it somewhere, and it is LOUD!!!
I love this one. Been watching Point Of Grace for many years. They haven't changed much. I truly enjoyed this. Thank you for airing it
Thank you for joining us, Suzan!
They are lovely!
I love Jesus, Methodist Church, you and chocolate cake with caramel, sandwiches with butter and lamb,pops,and delicious moments together the Christians!love my protestant lifestyle
I like the conversation with Rabbi Finkelstein, and I hope he will keep seeking the truth. If he keeps searching in the law and prophets, he will find Jesus the Christ (Yeshua HaMashiach). The promises of Him are all through the law and especially the prophets. Isaiah 53 is probably the most obvious reference to Jesus but there are thousands and they all lead to Jesus being born of the tribe of Judah, in the line of David, in the town of Bethlehem Ephrathah during the time of the Roman Empire, that He was to be rejected by His own people, condemned to death but put in a rich man's grave, resurrected on the third day, to justify all who come to Him.
Mr. Finkelstein mentioned trying to know God through obeying the law, but he needs to know that while obedience to God is very important, Abraham did not reach God through the law. God asked Abraham to follow Him and to go wherever He sent him, and Abraham believed God and obeyed Him (not His law, but HIM!) This was counted to Abraham as righteousness. He was justified before there was a law to obey.
And the law of Moses requires that every tiny little part be perfectly obeyed OR ELSE. If we break one part of the law, the entire law is broken. As Job said, we HAVE to have a mediator. We cannot be saved from death without the sacrificed Lamb. When Jesus died at Passover, He fulfilled the law once and for all. The man who knew no sin BECAME sin (just as the blood of the passover lamb painted on the door saved the Israelites from the death angel).
The universal law says that if you sin you die. Sin brings death, just as it did with Adam and Eve. Jesus had no sin, BUT He died. He took away the curses because death had no right to Him. Jesus's resurrection from the dead is OUR resurrection from death.
Hallelujah!
I really like this. I always thought point of grace was a little too high and mighty. Just experience I had with them when I was younger. But I really liked what they had to say.
32:45 how many people would turn their back on God if they knew they were going to be in hell.
Mark- I laugh at all his jokes.
Point of grace- Grew up listening to their songs..
Why does the guy towards the end have a weird hat on when the scriptures tell the women to wear the weird hats?
He is a Jewish Rabbi. :)
Jewish men wear yamikas...
Ya'll! God separation began with Eve and Adam's sinful nature, which began the struggle, where He said he is above - instead of the walk on earth together - which was his plan , to commune with his creation - but they sinned! so God isn't evolving etc... and he was mad at creation over the OT period of time because of how ugly and nasty people were, it broke his heart - therefore he had Jesus as the propitiation for us all... (and we are still ugly and nasty in this crazy upside down world - thanks to Satan - that ugly enemy!)
Jesus said in John 5 that the Scriptures spoke of Him. He is saying that He is the thread in what we gentiles call the Old Testament. From Genesis 3:15 where we see the first announcement of the seed of the woman, to Malachi's pronouncement that Elijah would return before the coming of the Lord ie Jesus then Jesus is the thread. In the New Testament Jesus said in John 8:58 Before Abraham was born I AM. He was claiming to be the God of the Old Testament. One thing we have to remember is that many of the Old Testament Laws were written for Israel and not the Church. This is not to mean there was no grace in the Old Testament. Isaiah 1 God says, "Come let us reason together says the Lord. Though your sins are as red as scarlet, I will make them white as snow." That is grace which is offered to the people of the nation. What we struggle with today is understanding that God deals with a nation far different than he does the Church. His purposes are different. His way of relating is far different. But He is the same God and there is grace,mercy, and the call is on everyone He calls.
Christians should not drink wine as the non believers do. Otherwise, where is the point of difference? Proverbs 20:1 says Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise.
What nonsense! Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. The idea of God of the OT being mean and that of the NT being full of Grace, setting them in opposition merely shows people who've never read the Bible, IMNSHO. This 2 God idea is anathema to the simplest of Elementary Heb. 6:1 Christianity. I think it does point out the lack of total Biblical knowledge specifically how bad children have been taught. It sort of reminds me of the horrible book and horribly written book called What's so Amazing about Grace by the CT dude.
Yes exactly! They have really missed the point of the old testament.
I think maybe they were speaking of the difference in the ages of the Bible. Maybe a bit too far with the contrast.?.?. ...
We love reading these comments. So wonderful to have the conversation, John. Thank you for joining us. Shelley may have said it best, for this episode at least, that Jesus fulfills the Old Testament. Reading the Major Prophets (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, and Daniel) points to the Messiah - God with skin. WOW!