DUAL BIKE CHECK ⚠️⚠️ : BANSHEE TITAN RRT VS PRIME RRT
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- čas přidán 11. 08. 2023
- IMPORTANT NOTE: BANSHEE TITAN AND PRIME SHARES THE SAME TUBE TECHNOLOGY , CONSTRUCTION LAYOUT, WELDINGS STYLE, AND OVERALL STIFFNESS & WEIGHT, BUT SOME VERY SMALL DETAILS MAKE THE FRONT TRIANGLES DIFFERENT IN GEOS AND THEY ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE!
WATCH THIS LONG PRESENTATION TO CLARIFY YOURSELF WHICH ONE IS YOUR BANSHEE WITHIN THE TWO!
BOTH GREAT!
SPECS:
BANSHEE TITAN Mx RRT - SPECS:
✅Chassis
BANSHEE TITAN RRT - XL
Long Dropouts
1310 WB, 63.4 HA, 343bb, 460cs
BecomeUnique custom graphics
RACE-MODE External cables
✅Damping:
Custom CCDB RRT
(aka TTX25) 160
special length and stroke
+
Custom Intend EDGE RRT
"PR02" 29” 172
✅Going into corners:
Rulezman HC-V3hd 15mm offset
Progrip 729 Dual ATV
Carbon bar 12° back / 5 up
818 wide
AVS RACING Handguards PRO
✅Stay comfy:
Bike Yoke REVIVE 2.0 - 125 /30.9
Bike Yoke seat collar
Ali express Carbon saddle
✅Rolling:
PIROPE Custom RRT MX alloy
25mm internal, 1199 grams
custom hub low POE - APK 24° freeplay
(AntiPedalKickback)
DHR2 2.3" Rear maxterra
DHF 2.5” Front maxgrip
Stans No Tubes sealant & valves
✅Fear solvers:
Hope Tech4 V4
Magura storm sl 180/180
✅Moving forward:
GARBARUK non-boost 30T
Cane Creek BB
Cane Creek eeWings 175
Crank Brothers Mallets DH
XT shifter
XTR 11s + GARBARUK cage
GARBARUK oversize pulleys
GARBARUK XD 10-50 11s
✅weight:
14.24 kg
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BANSHEE PRIME RRT - SPECS:
✅Chassis
BANSHEE PRIME RRT MX - XL
Long Dropouts
1302 WB, 63.4 HA, 341bb, 460cs
BecomeUnique custom graphics
RACE-MODE External cables
✅Damping:
Custom CCDB RRT
(aka TTX25) 140
special length and stroke
+
Custom Intend HERO RRT 29” 157
✅Going into corners:
Rulezman HC-V2 15mm offset proto
Progrip 729 Dual ATV
Carbon bar 12° back / 5 up
780 wide
AVS RACING Handguards PRO
✅Stay comfy:
Bike Yoke REVIVE 2.0 - 125 /30.9
Tune Seat Collar
Ali express Carbon saddle
✅Rolling:
PIROPE Custom RRT MX carbon
25mm internal, 1050 grams
custom hub low POE - APK 24° freeplay
(AntiPedalKickback)
Booster 2.2" rear
Regolith 2.2" front
Stans No Tubes sealant & valves
✅Fear solvers:
Hope Tech4 V4
Magura storm sl 180/180
✅Moving forward:
GARBARUK non-boost 26T
Cane Creek BB
Cane Creek eeWings 175
Crank Brothers Mallets E + Ti Spindles
XT shifter
XTR 11s
E13 TSRr 9-46
✅weight:
12.43 kg - Sport
I'm a simple man, when I see Rulezman video, I watch it.
This was a spectacular presentation. Thank you for sharing your bike builds and philosophy with us.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Two AMAZING bikes
I had a friend make me some custom 12 degree Titanium handlebars (both 30mm and 60mm rise, 31.8mm of course)), which are noticeably softer than carbon or aluminum for damping trail chatter. They are fantastic! I still cannot believe that people are killing themselves with sub 10 degree sweep bars with a 35mm rock hard center.
man i love your content
Beautiful bikes, not the looks only but the idea
Gorgeous bikes!
They are!
Awesome stuff! I'm also on some 16° SQLabs handlebars. We need more handlebar options that aren't just straight pipes. I actually put moto bars on my MTB at one point because it's all I had with comfortable geometry (they were also over 800g which probably just gave you a heart attack lol).
I did the same in 2003: renthal honda cr125 bar on dh bike!!!!!!
+1 for SQLabs 16° handlebars! They help me keep my elbows in when bombing a berm!
do you have any tyre insert? Can you talk about them a little? thanks, I really like your videos
no, I use tubeless only. inserts are heavy to be effective ( and if light are hype not useful). I rather have a DH carcass if I want to have extra protection.
The titan is so nice, but this prime is my favourite. Un lavoro d'arte 👌 very interesting explanations and choice of components.
thank you
Great video, really enjoyed it. Quick question, have you heard of or found the cause/solution to rear break resonance that tends to show up on Banshees? I ride a rune v3.2 that I've yet to fully snuff the issue on. Shop owner is dealing with the same on his Titan, have heard others as well.
Closest we've came is purchasing a slightly shorter rear axel to fully synch the rear. It has helped, but the resonance still creeps back every couple rides. Love the bike, but this problem is maddening.. Thoughts?
well I do not know what you are talking about: I HAVE ZERO ISSUES, bikes are awesome silent
Your builds are sick. Looking at a banshee for the next build but torn on models. If you are going to somewhere like Finale or Crans Montana for a 50km pedal day with Black/Red descents (no lifts or shuttles), which bike are you brining?
the XCDURO banshee prime 12.4 kg RRT for sure. ( doing 50 km (with maybe 1500 D+) with a 15kg enduro bike is not fun: that it is a punishment from life. )
Nice Dave, you really made a good effort in explaining your views and opinions. I am currently looking for a frame for 13 years old son. He is competing in enduro races and like to spend time in bike parks roosting and jumping with his friends. At 156cm and 44kg a new bike wont suit him for many years, and the his riding skills starts to deserve good quality components. I assume you haven´t ridden the Rune from Banshee, but I belive it is quite similar to the titan in kinematics and quality, just with a slightly more freeride fokus. Looking at Banshees in size M and Nicolai G1 in S the reach of 455 - 470 is one thing, but the long chain stays, which is good for adults might be a bit draggy consider how low the center of gravity would be on a small rider. do you have any thoughts of bike sizing for young riders? Pole are going to make the Onni with adjustable reach -5, 0, +10 mm, maybe thats one of the most klever things to choose for some in the peak growth period. ?? Installing your V3 handelbar clamp certainly opens the possibility to choose a longer frame, but swapping to longer stems as he grows really solve anything in a right way ;)
I know well the rune too. Basically it is a titan with 27.5 wheels (but smaller). I'd get a rune for him and it is WAY cheaper than other brands and very well build and great bike. transform it into MINI MULLET (27.5 front and 26 rear, ) Cs is 430 ish. TOP option I can get you some, I am a banshee official seller too (not just ambassador)
Just finished watching the whole thing, you forgot to mention the bottle cages and seat clamps :D, jokes aside the level of detail in your explanation is next level. One last thing, how much do you weigh and what's your height mr Rulezman?
65-67 kg, 179 cm
Here i am! i asked you yesterday and today about seatpost lenght and here we are today with a video explaining it...
Detailed as ever, i appreciate you considerations but I still believe that for most bikers, in particular beginners and not so confident riders, having a shorter seat tube with a longer seatpost is a plus in technical slow trial-like trails (putting one foot down in order to try not to die is not a shame😅).
I understand you speak on the base of pure race performance/chronometer seeking, but for people that use bike to enjoy freetime I think having short seat tube is still a plus.
Good job as ever by the way!
for sure the lower is the better when riders are not good and “ walk” while on the bike, descending at 3 km/h techical trails, trails they should not even attempt!
@@RULEZMANSUSPENSIONwe all started from scratch and we all took some risks, come on...otherwise we all would be stuck on beginners cycling path
I started without dropper post 😂 in 1988. But.. if someone starts in 2023 with a DH bike, the seat would be exacly as a 125mm lowered dropper .
@@RULEZMANSUSPENSIONehi did you look at Alutech Armageddon new frame?? As i saw it i immediately thinked of you...i think that is the type of frame you are talkin about, maybe except rake that i think is too little by your point of view. Let me know!
@@__Dp__ totally not.
the best stock bike I fount so far is Banshee titan XL- Mx
Thank you for the great content. Do you recommend a minimum CS to WB ratio? For example, your Prime build is 460/1302, giving a ratio of .353. Or do you think there is a more significant data point for deciding if a CS is long enough?
numbers are for freaks. Just get the longest you can which would be probably still too short since 98% of frame makers do short CS. banshee XL with 460 CS is very good, but I would love to have 1-2 cm more.
Understood. Thank you!@@RULEZMANSUSPENSION
I really like the Neon
mee too!! best ever
Bicycle engineering masterclass 👍
thanks
ciao davide. i might have missed it but i think i recall that they are both xl frames and you are 180cm in height, correct? why would you size up so much from the banshee size tables? i am 176cm, average in everything basically, and technically would be on an m frame. what size would you recommend for my height?
XL with Rulezman’s HC-V3 clamp . more info on my other tech video GEO AND STEMS ( and by the way, I am bashee dealer, I can get you the frame you want)
@@RULEZMANSUSPENSION ci sto pensando! when i make my move i will get in touch then! daje
Did you mention what casings you run on your tires?
the lighest I can get
no matter what bike I use of the two. ( for my third bike , true DH rig , I use DH casing front and rear.)
Do you have tire inserts because I also ride 25mm EX471 rims but all my tyres are going off when cornering?
no. Use proper pressure to avoid that
Belle belle. Sono scettico sui copertoni. Le ruote invece sono interessanti. La forcella mi piacerebbe provarla visto il prezzo (come diceva il Baffo :"provare per credere"). Ciao.
Il mio lavoro è provare per VOI! ho provato tutto, e la n1 è questa. per i copertoni trovi altri video qui sul canale dove uso booster e/o maxxis ikon in trails tipicamente enduro full gas.
@@RULEZMANSUSPENSIONvero ma è soggettivo. Se va bene a molti non significa che vada bene a tutti. Ciao
la forcella va bene a tutti perche il mio LAVORO È trovare e provare le sospensioni migliori al mondo.
Per le gomme, a ognuno le sue, CONCORDO. Nel video io faccio vedere le migliori per le mie bici.
The design of the minion dhf and minion dhr2 in the titan is unmistakable... best enduro/dh tyre in the world😁
I prefer DHR2 rear and HELLKAT FRONT. I am gonna remove dhf soon.
@@RULEZMANSUSPENSION ok, i'll try😊
why not going for the same light build in the titan as your daily bike? 20mm extra travel in exchange for a few grams doesnt sound bad
yes I will test it one day!
I had the same question. I’m torn between the Titan and Prime.
@@Bondseyefineart I can help you to decide, drop me a DM message.
1302 WB with 460cs on a Prime... Sweet jesus, that's loooooong :)
not really: this is the minimum
to call a bike “bike” for a medium- tall man like myself. You’ll see in 4-5 years all bikes will pass 1300wb.
Great video!
Why would you even have a Titan then?
cheers
1) suspension tests (WORK) 2) shuttle days in finale ligure (FUN) 3) test rides for clients (WORK) 4) it looks so nice and I love bikes (DISEASE)
DISEASE is the best one. Totally justified!!
@@RULEZMANSUSPENSION
🙋 Promo-SM
so, the titan is 15.6kg with exo tyres and xc wheels... damn that's not far from the pro stuff. 1.8kg wheels and 1.2kg tyres and you're at the same 16.6kg as everyone else in the edr with much better reliability coming from the wheels and tyres
Read in the video descriptions: titan is 14.4 kg with these wheels. .
@@RULEZMANSUSPENSION ok then it’s different 😅 I just listened and watched the video
@@TheMTBRider96 my titan with DH casing tires would not be different in weight from classic enduro bikes except 500 grams less given by light wheelset.
@@RULEZMANSUSPENSION dh bikes have also no dropper and smaller cassette that drops weight, and a heavier dual crown to match so yeah. Still light
2023 hype enduros are stupid bikes… heavier than true dh and way less performance when descending.
nice bikes
carbon rim missing on the titan
deliberately used alloy: carbon is no go for true dh operations.
to withstand dh hits a carbon rim would be 6-700 grams heavy, non sense!!!! a dt swiss ex471 , the gold standard for DH is about 500 grams
@@RULEZMANSUSPENSION Try a modern carbon rim
it will stand up(i ride them and im heavier and more aggressive/less smooth than you). Around 500g youre in and the added lateral stiffness is a noticable advantage regarding precision.
Also trueing wheels will be a thing of the past
@@harrie205 nothing carbon at 500 grams is certified DH! santa cruz reserve dh for instance is over 600….
@@RULEZMANSUSPENSION
not true
i9 grade 315 are 500g
syntace c33i are 440g
BTlos m-i34 premium are 500g
light bicycle Recon Pro RIM EN732 470g
and there are many rims i have never heared of(so i thik the list is should be longer)
ps in my opinion(i am mechanical engineer working in cfrp(not bikes)) i dont think the reserve wheels are cutting edge considering strength/ toughness to weight ratio.
@@harrie205 a 500 grams
carbon rim will break very easy on DH application if given to wrong pilot. Carbon for rims is HYPE for certain hard-core applications ( dh / freeride), and do not forget the price! carbon is usually 3-4 times more per - rim over alloy. Carbon is great where inertia of wheels must be lowest ( i.e. XC, ROAD)… no matter its price , carbon is N 1 for those segments of the market
Fallo anche in italiano dai 😅