BEST DAMAGE PERK?! Bipod's BUFF Changes Everything! (Destiny 2)
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In this video, we break down the Bipod buff that was introduced during Season of the Witch! Bipod recently received by a 25% damage increase, and after testing this perk head to head against Bait & Switch, we encountered some extremely surprising results. Do we have a new best in slot damage perk on our hands?! Hope you enjoy the video!
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You should have covered the new strand rocket as well. Can be crafted with field prep and bipod.
Yeah, just didn't have time to grind it while doing all this testing yesterday. But that will make Bipod even better. Pretty sure it goes up to 18 rockets.
Literally my first drop was field prep bipod, it's crazy
Can just tell you now its not gonna be nearly as good. its a 15rpm which inherently just does less dmg. the frame itself just killed it. Also doesnt help its best combo fp/bipod is weird as its origin perk wants you to uncrouch and not stay crouched like fp does.
@@moistwindow6094Same, goes upto 13 without any mods I think
@@SlasherSRL15rpm is the highest damage per shot rocket archetype
Something of note is that Last Wish's Apex Predator can roll Reconstruction in the left column and Bipod in the right one. Reconstruction will double Bipod's mag of 2 up to 4. This gives it good burst damage and all you have to do is wait for the magazine to overflow.
Yeah the world drop Arc rocket "Terminus Horizon" can also drop with that roll. I just got it myself and I was like "hang on, is this good?" While maybe not quite as good as bait and switch, I like the idea of dump 4 rockets, then activating a channeled damage super like Geomag Chaos reach or Dawn Chorus Dawnblade. Those will take up quite a bit of time to channel, by which point the rocket may have reloaded back up to 4. Failing that, you could then use a supremacy for a good while as the rockets reload. It is 4 seconds per rocket, so my only concern is whether or not Reconstruction should be treated as a "bonus +2 rocket burst," then should be fired/reloaded more regularly after that.
So happy to see this perk is actually good now. People always say shit like “just use Cold Comfort/Apex Pred lmao” but for those of us who want to use a Void rocket on our Void subclass, there were literally ZERO viable options, and Braytech Osprey’s lukewarm return was such a fucking letdown. Now an Envious Assassin/Bipod roll on BTO is actually a viable (if not quite meta) Void rocket option.
This video was very well made. You my good sir have earned a sub from me. This made me want to go craft a bipod rocket right now even though I am really sick. Great video, well edited, and easy to follow along! Can’t wait to watch more great videos from you!
Thanks for putting this together for us!!
Good to see bipod making a comeback, specially since it didn’t met expectations when first released. I might have to craft one and keep it around for GMs.
You might even use it for Day 1 👀
I wonder how a clown cartridge and bipod would work
Moral of the story, bipod isn’t as bad as it was but still use B&S.
I’d argue bipod might be better suited for GMs than major dps set ups
Awesome breakdown! Thank you
Great to use in GMs , less ideal in strict boss damage phases. Overall good but not broken
Lordy, I don't even remember all of the changes that happened, and with me not playing as much I'm definitely depending on you for info. So thanks for this!
Haha I asked you about this on X and here it is. I got the notification but didn't look at it.
Thanks Above, you rock, bro!
perfect I kept the dungeon rocket with Bipod time to level it up. thanks bro
Bro you got Bipod on the best looking Rocket Launcher in the game…good stuff, Dreaming city weapons need to be the standard when it comes to weapon skins..
I have the Ospray adept with impact casing -- cluster/field prep -- bipod, saved it "IN CASE".
The cluster increases each rockets dmg too, so it might be really good in a GM with void burn.
Cluster and tracking have less damage
@@ypcomchic cluster ADDS damage, but low amount so it’s bad on the 4th column but on the 3rd column it’s a dps increase
it goes against envious and field priep though@@TimothyRisby
Nice work!
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As someone who just doesnt enjoy the DPS rotation of Bait and Switch, thank you for testing this. I can finally use something else without feeling like a burden
Would’ve liked to see Bipod goes against Explosive Light. Since they both require minimum set up. Based on these numbers I’m assuming if you could get all the rockets off, it’ll beat Explosive Light for sure.
Explosive isn’t impacted my surges I thought. So bipod and BAS would top it all the time
@@isaacfuqua7434explosive is affected by surges, but does not buff wolfpack rounds. bns does
If you pair it with foe tracer and radiant, it cancels out the -25% and you get the plus from radiant from melee
not really canceling it out since if you used a rocket without bipod it would get +25%.
Would love your thoughts on if season 22 is less grind-y for rewards. Debating coming back to destiny if it is, haven’t played since light fall
If you haven't played since Lightfall, there is a ton for you to grind! Such as the Last Wish weapons, Ghosts of the Deep rocket, etc. But I will say that this seasons weapons aren't the best. Though Trials has some great loot this season!
Bipod is definitely going to be home in GM’s and other high-end endgame content with its overall better ammo economy
It would have bice to see your test method of dps for bipod. All we see is you shooting 4 rockets. What about the multiple reloads? Also I noticed your bait and switch test lacked swap perks which are key to swap dps tactics.... I think the math is much further apart than is shown here. But thank you for your video.
I’m good. I have an envious / bait n switch cold comfort and the crafted apex
Never heard of this perk this is all new to me
69k. Nice.
Also idk if you saw Aegis' video but wolfpacks got stealth nerfed/fixed so rockets with wolfpacks are doing a shit ton less damage.
Bi-Rocket with Lucky-Mal and special of choice sounds like a dps monster.
Definitely could be a solid option!
I tried it on Taniks
You still get more dps with B&S just because you have to wait the 10 secs of out of luck the rotation I was doing was
Shoot Malfe until the damage boost rans out, marks dodge, shoot my auto rifle once and then use fan of knives for the monochromatic maestro buff and shoot the apex 4 times using your grenade after the 1st shoot by the time you shoot your 4th rocket out of luck is gone and you can go back to your malfe, depending on the dps your team has you might get pushed out before you even get to start your 2nd rotation so you have a little more prep time
I did the same set up with the recons bipod apex I had and well its like a 600k dps
On the other hand if you use recons bipod you can use your heavy more often to clean up stuff or on yellow bars and it wont feel "BAD" since you have so many shots
So what perk would be best to pair with Bipod on Apex Predator. Would it be Reconstruction as it is with bait & switch or something different.
Recon Bipod, similar to the BnS roll!
Lool and I just pulled a bipod, autoloading, impact casing, blast radius MR, adept braytech osprey!! Whoop Whoop
Impact casing, Reconstruction, Bipod is the god roll
its a decent idea, but if there is no coordination in the team and dont have a warlock with that exotic helm to prok heavy ammo will be a big problem for ammo , for day 1 Bait and Switch still the king because of his combo with Izi and ammo economy against bipod , but the bipod is a decent choice for those who know how to coordinate their ammunition, and don't take advantage of bipod all the rockets from the first phase..
SOLAR RESERVES PLUS BIPOD RESERVE BUFF MEANS LOTS OF ROCKETS. If you're a well warlock you can run harmonic reserves for cheaper. You may wanna run a solar special tho
Would you go Demo Bipod on Apex? Or still use Reconstruction??
Great vid, lots of testing but well worth the results!
Thank god I have this crafted
You should’ve tested bipod against cc rockets because bns is 90% of the time used in rotations
Wolfpack rounds got stealth fixed. A 6 man group with 5 rockets 1 gjally deals now 70% of the damage you dealt last season
I did just see this! Which actually benefits Bipod over B&S due to the volume of wolfpacks you’re producing.
Still pretty good buff tho
source?
@@jroland94 aegis on youtube
The guy that found out that rockets with withpacks did more damage then shown on the wipe screen ever since release.
They fixed that this season
I’m thinking of crafting an apex predator with bipod and demo
How do you get the bipod rocket?
If you're only firing your RL it all comes down to how long the dps phase is, in the majority of cases I don't think you'd be able to shoot all your bipod reserves
There are dozens of bosses that this can be used on off of the top of my head lol. A few examples: Atheon, Templar, Caitl, Planets, Nez, Grasp Ogre, Rhulk, Caretaker, etc.
@@AboveDestiny Nah Rhulk too skinny for rockets god damn
Surrounded(when proc'd) is by far the best DPS perk for rockets, especially the enhanced version.
While within 8 meters of 3 Enemies:
🡅 47% Increased Damage that lingers for 1.5 seconds after the condition is no longer met.
Grenade and Rocket Launchers receive a 🡅 41.75% Explosive Damage Increase and a 🡅 47% Impact Damage Increase. Wolfpack Rounds receive a 🡅 41.75% Explosive Damage Increase.
Wouldn’t 6 of the 7 base rockets be buffed by bait and switch since hitting one rocket with like 1 second and then the other two weapons would reproc it for that last rocket?
Might have to make the launcher my first unlock, got a drop of the seasonal launcher that has confined launch, impact casing, impulse amplifier and bipod, never had a dps run with launchers end well for me since someone always runs in front but it seems like I should give rockets another try with the bipod change.
Bait and switch applies it's damage bonus to the first rocket btw.
Good callout. With that said, the damage numbers were not impacted in the testing as it was applied.
Im courious what the braytech ospey with clusterbombs and bipod would do
clusters are really bad unless every cluster can hit, in which its around a 20% dmg increase, but it also doesnt help that braytech is the mid frame
I got a the Bray rocket with Assasins and Bi and its pretty nice
Only downside would be its frame dealing less damage.
Me too I love mine
Now all they need to do is make a rocket that can run with BAS and Bipod
I just use my wither horde a energy fusion of choice and my b&s apex so I can look cool during dps phase💀
LFR back to be the META ?
specially after wolfpack round getting nerfed hard
I do recomend watching ageis info about it for more accurate info.
With field prep and 3 reserve mods, I had 15 rockets 😂
I’m personally gonna keep the bait and switch rolls they just perform better especially hot swapping nagi with em but I’ll definitely craft a bipod roll just for GMs
Bipod maybe good on a titan but I wouldn’t use it on a hunter or warlock
So what would be the god roll for apex with bipod ?
I’d say impact casing, reconstruction, bipod or switch reconstruction with Demolitionist
anyone know how reconstruction and bipod interact? would this perk combo give you 4 in the mag to start with?
It does I think
It gives you 2 base mag and reconstruction slowly overflows it to 4.
How did he have 4 rockets in the chamber at the beginning of his background gameplay???
Bipod + Reconstruction
Excellent, my fish brain always fk bait and switch up when the game is intense. Bipot it is.
Im looking for an envoius assissin/reconstruction + bipod roll. Not for boss DPS (envios + bait n switch), but for champions.
After speed running GMs with Field Prep Clown last season Bipod will definitely be the go to pick now.
I think I deleted mine last season ffs
As we saw with Ghosts of the Deep, theres damage scenarios which require tracking and those that dont. Any boss that moves around a lot makes B&S less useful because its harder to use Izi, Witherhoard, etc for supplementary damage. I reckon the question is whether Tracking/Bipod is better than a Tracking/Clown Hothead for those scenarios.
Or maybe just hit your shots? I have no issue hit that last boss or even rhulk for that matter with non tracking rockets tracking I feel is a PvP perk more so then a PvE one same for grenades and horse shoes
It’s called consistency, you may be able to hit your shots but not everytime, not with the way that last boss just moves randomly
@@niconewberry2444 consistency doesn't matter if you can't hit your shots
@@GaldoranGailthros Hence why you would run a tracking rocket
@niconewberry2444 if you need tracking rockets to hit your shots then I'd suggest other options for dps
I think the main problem with this perk is that it’s use case is too niche. I could count the amount of scenarios where it would be practical or useful on one hand.
I'm not sure I understand why you'd think it's too niche. There are literally tons of boss fights with ample time to utilize most rockets. GM's might be the exception, but B&S doesn't exactly excel in that scenario either, since most people focus fire and kill champs before it matters.
So hyped for this video. I posted on Reddit about this potentially being dope this season and got a lot of hate
Doesn’t enhanced bipod make it 20% instead of 25% ? Loving new crafted strand rocket with bipod. I get 15 rockets
I tested without to ensure it captured all B&S rockets in the game, but I believe you are correct. So enhanced would be even better.
Enhanced bipod reduces the blast radius and reload speed by 5%
I don't think it will effect the damage
@@AboveDestiny tested it, both are same damage
What perks do you prefer with bipod?
Pve god roll ideas?
On Apex, Reconstruction Bipod. On Cold Comfort, Envious Assassin Bipod.
@@AboveDestiny thanks brother! Awesome content!
What about on Bray tech adept?
If you are above, who are you when you go into the basement?
Love that having so many rockets you can safely use them for some ad clear as well. Taking chunks of beefy ads out in GMs while not wasting valuable resources like heavy is a great possibility. The potential for damage rotations are just the icing on top for me.
Solid vid Above!!
bascially trading burst for higher total damage
Depends really. Cold Comfort will offer the highest burst in the game with envious and bipod.
@@AboveDestiny i mean on apex it is, cold confort is just rocket spam the launcher XD
I am glad to have good options outside of raids, dungeons, and trials, it kind of bums me out is hard for me to get those weapons as a casual solo player. I will work towards a field prep, bipod Semiotician 😊
actually, it's just a visual bug. BnS DOES in fact apply to the first rocket!
Which honestly makes the damage testing even more conclusive 😳
@@AboveDestiny This video still isnt taking into account the fact to proc ur B&S U need to shoot him wiht 2 other weapons where if these weapons r izi or witherhoard or any decently meta weapon bipod gets outclassed rlly hard
You sure I thought it's only to the gjallahorn baby rockets
@@user-og8xv1ih4p BNS doesnt buff the first rocket based on damage numbers or wipe screen but it does based on health bar damage which is what matters.
@@acrospxrkz6323you say that as if you can’t just use Izzy or witherhoard with bipod.
Bipod enhanced also only is a -20% damage decrease vs -25%, that 5% adds up over those 12 rockets.
No it's not, stop making shit up
No one believed me when I said that bipod will be very good after this change. I used this perk in GMs and it worked fine even with 40% damage reduction. Ammo economy with this thing is so good. Now it is one of the best things for nightfalls and solo content and have boss damage potential. I'm glad for this perk.
Every time you introduce yourself I end up looking up... I keep doing the mistake hehe
LOL
Remember youre shooting 2 rockets then reloading. That massive hurts dps. CC can ahoot 4 if not more now. BnS is what you wanna be running. Bi-Pod even though more ammo is still disappointing
The only thing bipod is good for is reserves aka a swap perk. Most boss fights dont last long enough to go through 14 rockets, also with BaS you can rally with reserves having 9 or 10 rockets. Plus on top of that everyone should be swapping weapons not just shooting and manually reloading rockets. Its just not worth it for me personally and most of the people I play with. But if it gets changed again to where the damage is only 10% less then sure it would be worth it but for now its not worth running and I really hope people dont use it so we potentially get a buff in the near future.
I think one thing that makes a difference for me is that it's really hard to tell if BaS is procced because too many buffs, so bipod makes it braindead. Also on paper, the damage numbers both in total and DPS are about the same, but without requiring you to swap weapons which costs time. Right now, it's probably the go to rocket to use for day 1.
Also how do you do this reserves glitch, I'm doing 3 reserves but swapping from rocket to Levi's gives me only 7 shots
So why arent you using cold comfort as apart of the Test? It does more damage than Apex Predator being an Aggresive frame.
Don't have the roll unfortunately.
@AboveDestiny Ah I see, if you want you could grind the first encounter of Ghosts. It drops from there. And in Arc Hunter it goes by super quick
Adaptive and Aggresive frame do the same damage
LFGs rolling up to nez with bipod to miss 71% more rockets😎
Has eBipod been tested?
I have not yet!
F for Pack Hunter
Ok so bipod does 25% less dmg than a base rocket. And bait and switch does 35% more dmg than a base rocket. But the argument is that bipod has like 6 more shots with reserves so if the dmg phase is long enough or your rotation is good enough bipod can do more total dmg. While if you aren't running envious bns has more dps. Idk i feel like your arguing bipods reserves against bns rockets dealing 60%more dmg minus 2 rockets or 1 if you try.
rockets getting all these cool perks and meanwhile the other heavy options...
i guess rockets are just how they want us to dps most things
It'd be cool to have unique perks like this and all on the other heavies though in case people want to use other weapon types for damage. It doesnt have to be better, just would be cool to have >>Legendary
It's a myth that BaS doesn't proc on the first rocket.
It doesn’t though so it’s a fact not a myth.
@@h13n12 there's a video aegis did about if you want to see the proof
@@twizms2 if it's not showing up as damage numbers or at an end screen then it's a bug. whether they make it so that it is displayed correctly or they make it so it doesn't do more damage than intended is unclear so i wouldn't count it as part of the damage.
@@h13n12 well the way he tests damage is pixels on the health bar cause when the health bar is gone the boss is dead.
@@twizms2 they also test the same way with wolf pack and look where that ended up.
Me on day 2 into the season with my crafted semiotician with field prep and bipod 😎
It deals 10% less damage thanks to its frame so that sucks.
Cold Comfort is gonna be meta with new envious and BIPOD
Actually about to be INSANE
I saved a literal god roll from Ghost of the Deep for this reason
Impact casing
Envious assassin
Bipod
NICE!
he had me at best damage perks in the game better than bait n switch😐....
Myself and Aegis came to the same conclusion for Day 1 raid settings. Suit yourself!
The description of the video incorrectly states that Bipod got a 25% damage increase. What actually happened was that your damage penalty went from 40% to 25%, so theoretically, it's a 15% buff, but I don't see it making enough of an impact, in either sustained or burst DPS phases, to top Reconstruction/Envious + B&S
Nah he’s right. Say a regular rocket does 100 damage with no bipod. Under bipod, the old damage value would have been 60 damage. New damage value would be 75. The damage increase from 60 to 75 is 25%
thats not how math works
Lol
So basically:
-Bipod for total damage
-Bait and Switch for DPS
Did I get it right?
Not really. BNS still does more damage by itself provided you are in a setting with a gjally. Another thing Above does not take into account is that you are using weapons like izi or wither with BNS which is a massive increase in damage.
@@Grantasaurosrexwhy do people like you always include things like Izzy and witherhoard for BnS as if you can only use it with BnS.
@@h13n12 because there the best weapons to use for activating it without loosing dps when compared to other rockets where u can fire straight away not having to swap to other weapons
@@AM-bq4ki and you can also incorporate Izzy/witherhoard into any other rocket rotation which makes your point stupid as all you can claim is that they didn’t factor in the damage from those weapons but other rockets can also make use of those weapons.
@@h13n12 R u new to the game, this point has been debunked over and over again since cataclysmic was the meta, you would loose dps on other weapons when compared to bns, for example one with explosive light. U won’t izzy swap with a rocket unless it has auto loading and even if u use withahoard (that’s assuming no one else is using it) it still won’t benefit more than a bns rocket. I mean use ur brain if u compare two rockets side by side after swapping weapons, one will have a 35% increase.
Already crafted one without bipod fucking bullshit lol
Everyone: "delete that bipod roll it sucks. Me: "My time has come"
bait used to be believable
TLDR: Bait and Switch for single rocket damage, Bipod for total damage.
TL;DR
10% more damage for twice the time.
All the time spent shooting the extra rockets could have been used for a better rotation, or spent on other DPS weapons.
The one thing this video ignores is the time difference between firing the extra rockets. Bait and switch user is doing absolutely nothing, as if they have no other weapons.
This is why DPS is the meta, and not a squad of titans rocking sweet business with theoretically infinite damage over an infinite time period.
It’s not twice the time, it’s 3 additional seconds. And keep it mind that swaps could be implemented for both Bipod and B&S rockets. I also don’t conclude that’s it’s a new meta, rather that it’s competitive, which it is.
Thats not the only thing, in the Damage test bro with Apex forgot to put surges on so u miss a whole 22% Damage which make the 1.85 Mio into 2.25 Mio, that means that Bait and Switch rockets still have higher Total Damage than Bipod.
Just saw that Above hid my comment, hes mad that I am right.
@@kureiji-6555you’re not right lol
@@kylecaswell1969 very constructive argument, shows how smart you are. Just to prove Above and you wrong at 5:04 you see that there are no surges active in any way, while in the previous Test (4:45) they where.
Im sorry to break it to you, but this doesn't make it even close to relevant. Nothing is going to beat rocket rotations, fundamentally they are close to the peak of dps possible with rockets because youre eliminating what makes them bad... The reload downtime
Funny you say that. Because Aegis, who many refer to as the DPS numbers guy, literally confirmed the same thing.
If it was previously 40% less damage and now its 25% less damage, thats a 15% buff to what it was not 25% like the clickbait thumbnail says.
This is not how math works lmfao. Run the numbers. Calculate the before and after damage. You will see a 25% increase in damage from previous damage numbers. Before accusing clickbait, feel free to run the numbers yourself.
Ehh untill bipod is not a negative damage , im not using it
Tbh. Bipod BaS meta soon?
yah thats not happening literally will be the only perk people use
@@izanagisburden9465 i mean we’ve been in a meta like that before
Be realistic.
Lets be honest everyone guna be running bait n switch including you
I will be running Bipod on day 1. Aegis also suggested the same thing. So, do what you want.
new meta? spoiler no
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Still not fw the Cold comfort lol you’d need Gjally to make bipod worth it. More ammo? That’s cool, rather do dmg.
And uhh, 7 rockets… 12 rockets, difference is 5… 70% more rockets? More like 60% if you wanna be technical. 3.5 being 50%, it increase at .7 intervals for every 5%, which make 5 rockets extra … 60-61%. Why not just say 5 more rockets tho? Lmfao Trying too hard and messing up the maths.
Also bait and switch is up for 10 seconds, fully stacked CC, that’s 4 rockets no reload, stasis Hunter melee, 5 rockets, dodge makes it 6 rockets before reload and bait and switch will be proc’d… warlocks use strand loops. This video is just cap lmao
Major mistake within seconds of starting the video, you mentioned bipod got a buff. It did not. Bipod's damage penalty went up from -40% to -25%. It's still -25% under a normal rocket, there is no way it's competing with bait and switch.
What are you talking about? It did get a buff. It does 25% more damage than it did before, and Aegis Relic, who a lot of people rely on for DPS testing, confirmed the same thing in his day 1 raid loadouts video...
Bro did not watch the video
Absolutely not worth
Based on tests from several YTers, we disagree.
oh nice another youtube dps testing bait. why are we purposefully testing the best case scenario for bipod and completely ignore the main strength of the bns setup, see that its still almost completely inferior and then call it a contendor?? run it back and use izi rocket/double slug rocket or if your dead set on simply ignoring swaps and filler compare the time when using reload exotics/grapple nade
i hate it here