Great presentation, absolutely jam-packed with factoids. McLaughlin brings enthusiasm and does a wonderful job speaking; all the while, making the information learnable. Splendid!
Stationed at Camp Nimble , South Korea back in 88/89 and my unit was scheduled for a field Manuver. Winter, the ONE and ONLY TIME are unit left on time!! As soon as we entered Camp Casey the post was closed due to winter storm and blizzard conditions. So we had to go yo our designated area and set up tents. Only 1 heater worked so everyone crowded into the one tent. People were smoking in the tent so luckily I had driven my Crane and decided to stay in my Crane. Had the heat on, window cracked, feet up, nice and comfortable. This was nothing compared to what the cold was like for the Donner party. We just had yo tolerate this for 1 day before luckily we were able to leave the post and go back to our WARM barracks. I had tights, Xtra t-shirts under my uniform, field jacket with liner, warm socks- plus changed my socks when they became wet, gloves, food and water. PLUS I was just side my nice warm vehicle. It's easy to say what someone should do, what you would have done, etc but believing what you would do and what you really do are 2 different things.
Some meet have not known about ice fishing, the snow was 5, 10 feet deep and higher. Try digging a path through snow that deep- where would you put the excess snow? You'd have to walk back and forth with every shovel of snow. You would also have to have a shovel. Not to mention the cold freezing and below freezing temperatures. Add in wind and wind chill factor, not having the proper cold weather gear/ clothes and it would be unbearable. Lack of food results is less physical and mental strength. Keep in mind the shoes that they had at that time. Frostbite, hypothermia, depression, starvation. I've lived/ been stationed in Ft Greeley, Alaska. -90, Ft Richardson Alaska, Germany, South Korea.
Regarding the survival rate of the Forlorn Hope, yes more women survived because the men had exhausted their fat reserves in the Wasatch, chopping and hacking roads.
Just curious. You do know the women were walking...carrying their children. I think everyone's reserves would have been spent. Just wondering if women's reserves are more oriented toward longevity. I hasten to add, I am not a medical professional. Just conjecture.
@@Udontsay948 Women do naturally carry more body fat than men. The men walked too, with the added burden of using thousands more calories in hard labor. This easily explains the gap in the male to female survival rate.
If they had got really fat before setting out on the journey do u think that would have helped survival rates Can you sustain yourself on your own fat supplies with no other food sources
Very good presentation! Question I would have asked is:"I read that a person retracing the Donner trail in the '20's, came across the Reed palace wagon abandoned near Pyramid lake, NV. is that true?
When I was four, my mother was asphyxiated by carbon monoxide. Wondering how that closed up cabin, burning those fires, may have contributed to brain deterioration
I'm so sorry for your loss, horrible. I foolishly didn't even realize this was a thing until I played "red dead redemption 2" ... Your hypothesis makes sense.
In a couple documentaries, it's been said that the guy James Reed stabbed (I can't remember his name) also hit Margaret Reed with the butt of his bullwhip prior to the stabbing. Is this something that's been disputed?
Yeah I've read a number of different accounts unfortunately. It seems to depend on who's telling the story. I find it... Interesting... That only those families who survived claimed to have not taken part in eating human flesh. Only the German fellow who was apparently caught red handed if you will, and he was vilified for it. Again... Depending on what you read. Some versions claim he did well for himself despite his ruined name, he owned businesses including... A restaurant? Lol. Others claim he died penniless and alone. (Shrug) history is largely written by the winners.
I was very interested in the donnner case, but unfortunately nothing was subtitled or dubbed in my language 😢... from everything I read about the Donner case, I understood that the mistake was the choice of direction to take 🤷
Great presentation. One thing: The preferred term for cannibalism, these days, is "Anthropophagy". Takes away some of the stigma and sensationalism and describes it more accurately
Good analysis, what requires greater context is: Why some Native American tribes acted as they did? There is absolutely no context or explanation other than some tribal leaders/tribes were malevolent and others were not? hint, hint, start with land dispossession ...
Like what he mentioned about the women working together and men working in competition when it came to survival. Also the way fat is burned by women and men.
Eating your own species is cannibalism whether dead or alive. So them being dead has no bearing. It is the headline because it is unnatural and it was the main event of their survival.
You can't exactly buy something legitimately from a country that did not legitimately buy it from someone else. We can say it is part of America right now, but it was never legitimately purchased.
It's a really good presentation, but 4:48 "Whoever is there now too bad for you because we're coming" He said it like it was nothing. Entitled Karen, now it's mine. What a shame!
Wow Mark. This is fantastic. I’ve watched many slick documentaries on this subject, but I learned more from your presentation. Thank you!
Great presentation, absolutely jam-packed with factoids. McLaughlin brings enthusiasm and does a wonderful job speaking; all the while, making the information learnable. Splendid!
I watched the movie last night my heart went out to all of them true survival thank you for sharing 😄
Stationed at Camp Nimble , South Korea back in 88/89 and my unit was scheduled for a field Manuver. Winter, the ONE and ONLY TIME are unit left on time!! As soon as we entered Camp Casey the post was closed due to winter storm and blizzard conditions. So we had to go yo our designated area and set up tents. Only 1 heater worked so everyone crowded into the one tent. People were smoking in the tent so luckily I had driven my Crane and decided to stay in my Crane. Had the heat on, window cracked, feet up, nice and comfortable. This was nothing compared to what the cold was like for the Donner party. We just had yo tolerate this for 1 day before luckily we were able to leave the post and go back to our WARM barracks. I had tights, Xtra t-shirts under my uniform, field jacket with liner, warm socks- plus changed my socks when they became wet, gloves, food and water. PLUS I was just side my nice warm vehicle. It's easy to say what someone should do, what you would have done, etc but believing what you would do and what you really do are 2 different things.
What an incredible presentation! It's like he was there!
Awesome lecture, I learned a lot! Thanks!
Excellent presentation. Didn't think I'd end up watching the whole video but it went by so fast.
Thank you for uploading this. Very nice lecture!
Excellent excellent presentation. So much extra information. Thankyou Mark.
Off to buy your book
Thank you for sharing this. I enjoyed every minute.
What a great lecture!
Amazing presentation
Really enjoyed this. Thank you!
Same winter that doomed the Franklin Expedition.
That was brilliant!
Great presentation
That lake is loaded with trout and salmon. You’d think they would have given a serious attempts at ice-fishing.
The snow was really deep, deeper than you can imagine. There is a statue that shows the depth of the snow and it is shocking.
Some meet have not known about ice fishing, the snow was 5, 10 feet deep and higher. Try digging a path through snow that deep- where would you put the excess snow? You'd have to walk back and forth with every shovel of snow. You would also have to have a shovel. Not to mention the cold freezing and below freezing temperatures. Add in wind and wind chill factor, not having the proper cold weather gear/ clothes and it would be unbearable. Lack of food results is less physical and mental strength. Keep in mind the shoes that they had at that time. Frostbite, hypothermia, depression, starvation. I've lived/ been stationed in Ft Greeley, Alaska. -90, Ft Richardson Alaska, Germany, South Korea.
Pink Rose I wonder if any of them survived with fingers and toes
Fish stay near bottom of lake in winter.
Better than the best documentary.
Superb job!!
Regarding the survival rate of the Forlorn Hope, yes more women survived because the men had exhausted their fat reserves in the Wasatch, chopping and hacking roads.
Just curious. You do know the women were walking...carrying their children. I think everyone's reserves would have been spent. Just wondering if women's reserves are more oriented toward longevity. I hasten to add, I am not a medical professional. Just conjecture.
@@Udontsay948 Women do naturally carry more body fat than men. The men walked too, with the added burden of using thousands more calories in hard labor.
This easily explains the gap in the male to female survival rate.
If they had got really fat before setting out on the journey do u think that would have helped survival rates
Can you sustain yourself on your own fat supplies with no other food sources
Fascinating 👍
This was fantastic!
Very good presentation! Question I would have asked is:"I read that a person retracing the Donner trail in the '20's, came across the Reed palace wagon abandoned near Pyramid lake, NV. is that true?
Well, the description mentions ''minor factual errors'' but doesn't specify any of them... 😒
Me and my family just got back from Tahoe and it has a picture hanging by the front door that says reed I never noticed it
Really interesting! I wonder with all the non-human food...if they suffered from a type of high-protein starvation.
Mr. Mark McLaughlin is Platinum.
When I was four, my mother was asphyxiated by carbon monoxide. Wondering how that closed up cabin, burning those fires, may have contributed to brain deterioration
I'm so sorry for your loss, horrible. I foolishly didn't even realize this was a thing until I played "red dead redemption 2" ... Your hypothesis makes sense.
In a couple documentaries, it's been said that the guy James Reed stabbed (I can't remember his name) also hit Margaret Reed with the butt of his bullwhip prior to the stabbing. Is this something that's been disputed?
Yeah I've read a number of different accounts unfortunately. It seems to depend on who's telling the story. I find it... Interesting... That only those families who survived claimed to have not taken part in eating human flesh. Only the German fellow who was apparently caught red handed if you will, and he was vilified for it. Again... Depending on what you read. Some versions claim he did well for himself despite his ruined name, he owned businesses including... A restaurant? Lol. Others claim he died penniless and alone. (Shrug) history is largely written by the winners.
What a story! What a terrible thing. What inspiration!
Did i say excellent presentation?!
I was very interested in the donnner case, but unfortunately nothing was subtitled or dubbed in my language 😢... from everything I read about the Donner case, I understood that the mistake was the choice of direction to take 🤷
Is there any evidence that Tamara Donner kept a diary account of this tragic event?
None has been found but she sent many letters home which have been excerpted in books and articles.
Why not go straight down then left?
SPEED-learning the Donner incident..
Our American history !!!
That's a good story with lot of information but the dramatics, sound like a fairytale.
You made factual errors and you are happy with it, not me that ruins it
well fuck you then rick
Instead of just throwing that out there why don’t you specify what exactly his ‘factual errors’ are??
Errors are made in all lives Rick. I still enjoyed it.
Ain’t gonna play Sun Cit-Tay yeah
I would go more I10 ish
Great presentation. One thing: The preferred term for cannibalism, these days, is "Anthropophagy". Takes away some of the stigma and sensationalism and describes it more accurately
I'd prefer to hold on to the stigma, but that's just me.
Presentation was good, not so the questions.
Theo Donner party não tem em português nem legendado😡
I wish she would pronounce Nevada correctly
incredibile storia di tragedia 😖
The Dahmer Party
Good analysis, what requires greater context is: Why some Native American tribes acted as they did? There is absolutely no context or explanation other than some tribal leaders/tribes were malevolent and others were not? hint, hint, start with land dispossession ...
nice , but seres the shock value, details of canibalistic stuff
Like what he mentioned about the women working together and men working in competition when it came to survival. Also the way fat is burned by women and men.
This was not in the movie!
The cannibalism makes the head lines, but in all actuality were they not just eating the natural dead ? Thats a far cry from killing and eating.
There is some question about that, it's something that was strongly thought to have happened.
Eating your own species is cannibalism whether dead or alive. So them being dead has no bearing. It is the headline because it is unnatural and it was the main event of their survival.
Joe Van Ausdall they killed the 2 Indian guides in order to eat them.
What are the factual errors? Can you correct them in a comment?
You can't exactly buy something legitimately from a country that did not legitimately buy it from someone else. We can say it is part of America right now, but it was never legitimately purchased.
"he wants to be the king of his own republic"...... thats not how it it works lol
He didn't say "representative republic".
@@gpdude22 republics don't have kings, that's the point
It's a really good presentation, but 4:48 "Whoever is there now too bad for you because we're coming" He said it like it was nothing. Entitled Karen, now it's mine. What a shame!
I thought he was being sarcastic
Boring presentation. There are much better ones.
Where?
I have ADHD and this kept my attention. The presentation moved along fast, not boring. It was interesting. At least for me.
incredibile storia di tragedia 😖