Why can't Rangers win an Old Firm - and where now?
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None of these 3 attribute any blame whatsoever to Tavernier- fir Celtics 2nd goal.
Maybe they've never played football ever?
Also - they think Tavernier should continue as captain.
Pure mind blowing.
They don't want to lose their media pass at ibrox
If Tavernier stays I won't be back.
Costs goals v Celtic time and again.
Players out Butland McLaughland, Tavernier, Goldson, Davies Balogun, Barisic, Lundstram, Jack, Matondo, Wright, Silva, Roofe & Lammers.
Yep, the biggest worry is the manager thought that midfield was adequate. We all knew it wasn’t and there were clear and sensible alternatives. Start with Sterling, Raskin and Dio and you have bags more legs. Lawrence and Lundstram were never going to cope and we all knew it.
Guys we have all been saying these comments for weeks Sterling on McGregor…why have none you put this to the manager ,half fit players peppered all through our team.
When I first saw the starting lineup, I thought clement was going to outnumber Celtics midfield and go with a 4-1-2-1-2 with Sterling on McGregor but it looked more like a 4-5-1 with sterling on the right. Massive red flag.
Get the serial losers out, starting with the Captain!
Greig Souness Butcher Gough Ferguson Amorouso Weir >>>>>> Tavernier.
That's the problem
Its a really bitter pill to swallow but Celtic are a far better run football club than we are . Year after year its the same rubbish . In an ideal world we need external investment from people who really understand sporting excellence but getting that in Scotland is tough . Clearing out some of the serial losers may help but the cash to replace them will be a challenge .
Correct well said
Pending court cases and victim settlements will see how well run Celtic are .. That’s the reason they haven’t been spending big in transfer windows they knew it was only a matter of time before the case was due… But as of right now they def have our number …
The core of Rangers team has a number of stale players who do not have enough in the tank to push for trophies and it’s now become a losing mentality which will rub off on the newer players ..
Injuries definitely haven’t helped .. But it will be freshened up next season , but it’s just how much we can clear out !
@@Sonnie125 court case nothing Celtic are a better run club than rangers. Have been for years and years
@@Sonnie125that mob haven't been spending because they don't need to..
They are winning the league every year so what is it they need to buy over and above what they spend??
Correct. We seen the instant reaction from Celtic when we won the title whilst our board had their thumb up their arse. We’re an utter shambles and once again we haven’t been proactive. They’re on the verge of taking records from us.
Hello from Durban, South Africa. Outside of Sterling the only fighter we've got in our team in our manager; Philippe Clement.
Really?? Wait and see...
Clemente needs time to fix the mess left by Gerrard, Wilson and Beale.
We never actually got better under Gerrard and when Gio tried to fix the issues the players and most fans turned on him.
Beale then took us back years and no Clemente has a huge job on his hands.
We need big changes at our club next year in defence and midfield and up front and for the cup final I would like to see a rigid 433 and drop the number ten role and play Sterling in that midfield and ridvan yilmaz has to start aswell
I remember having a few red flags with beale but letting it go the day I knew beale was a dud was when he started with lundstram and Kamara in midfield in the league cup final I’ve been having the same feeling for weeks with clement but on Saturday confirmed the niggley thoughts that were in my head did anyone after seeing that line up actually think we were going to win that game? I don’t care who’s fit or not if he plays them same tactics and McGregor has the run of the pitch in the Scottish cup final I’m done with him!!!
Time for a clear out, you keep Butland and Sterling. Club needs a spine = centre half, centre midfielder and striker. Get Shankland in, proven goal scorer in SPL and has the predatory instincts.
We’ve got a 21+ goal scorer now, who’s had fuckall support most of the season!! His work rate is unbelievable as is his positioning!!! He’s been let down this season..
The manger thinks that's the way set up against that celtic team that's a worry
Rangers scouting team is Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder and the club Doctor is Harold Shipman. It's no just managers to blame for this nonsense.
The banter years never REALLY ended for us, tbh.
If only the club had backed Gerrard after we won 55. Instead, we let Celtic back in, lost countless millions in Champions League revenue, and are having to spend tens of millions switching out players and managers every 12 months.
Bro we only won that due to covid
No fans no pressure
Gerrard was a clown also that 55 season is overrated he was up against a poor Celtic side which was lead by a drunk and he still couldn’t deliver a treble that’s the problem us rangers fan’s overhyped that season and built these core players into something there not anytime there’s been real pressure they shat it and the only reason they didn’t that season was because there was no fans and we built up a healthy points lead while Celtic had games called off. That’s not forget sum of the shite he brought in zungu,barker,Simpson,ojo,itten, bacuna, grezda and so on I’m sorry it was only a matter of time before ange took back over the elite manger team of gerrard and Beale 🙄
Backed him with what??? Gerrard by scottish standards spent a fortune , his net spend was massive. What money was there to give him especially after losing to malmo?
Gerrard was way overhyped. How far have Rangers expectations fallen if Gerrard is seen as a good manager for us.
That 'unbeaten' season we wind out of 3 cups against teams we able to beat.
Gerrard never made a profit on a single player in his time at the club.
He treated players like shyt when he didn't favour them.
We never solved our RW after he let Candeias go and he kept sticking with a Kent who was never interested and Morelos who was allowed to fck off to Colombia, get fat and come back whenever he chose.
Gerrard did a runner because the same 'unbeaten' team were struggling that season.
Gio tried cleaning up Gerrards mess and the players AND FANS turned in him.
Fans and certain players then drooled over Beale coming back while Gio was still in the job and look what Beale did.
Clemente will probably need 2 seasons and several windows to fix the mess.
Correct@@user-fh5kq8mp7j
Definitely a mentality problem. Too many ayers scared of them plus a lack of quality in too many positions. Also think tactically. There seems to be none other than lob the ball forward and chase it. OK for under 10s but not gonna get us far. Got to reduce wage bill and get rid of players on big money not able to do it in big games. Glad I'm not in charge
It was a Beale esc selection and performance. Unfortunately Clement went down so much in my estimations at the weekend.
What was Clements game plan? I know injuries are bad missing Sima and Matonda but what was the plan? I’ve watched it twice and still can’t see it. It was a game that had to be won and from the get go it was one way traffic.
A big part of the problem derives from unsettlement. Celtic players play in the same position every week. While Rangers, as I said already are some sort of jigsaw puzzle. Injuries don't help. However, we need to allow players to express themselves in positions they are comfortable with. That allows them to play to their strengths. Instead of just trying to do a job...
Big Phil has had three good looks at Celtic now.. what has he learnt? He has to win the Cup
Start of the video making correct assessments on the age of our backline. However the man that runs the show in McGregor will be 31 soon also. Sterling could well be the man to stop him in his tracks .
We have a massive culture issue at Rangers
Scales , McGregor , Roger’s , forester , Kennedy
Rebels to their core
We have Alex Rae.
Am no looking for a team of Scot’s , but we have to get Rangers passions , voices and heart in and around the first 11
It’s a massive culture change that needs to happen
I agree, The sooner it happens the Sooner Rangers will see change, but with the money issues as well. They will lose focus and relapses to old ways. Hatred is a Hard one to beat! Worse than Heroin!
Joshua wee had the legs available to match their midfield but they were sitting on the bench or playing outside right.
Joshua was litterally about to answer Johnny's point about asking clement about injurys but johny never let him speak and the johny goes on about selling lammers n dessers why are we the only folk in the world that when a player is doing well we just think of getting our money back they've got numbers and played well we should get more than what we paid for
Honest comments from the boys.
Big changes needed
Jonny absolutely spot on about bringing in a few Scots. There is no successful domestic Rangers team without a firm Scottish core to its squad
Jonny spot on is right about all the money coming in this summer.Plus Roofe and Jack also will leave
Jonny I like what you said about mivoski and shankland I love that
Our captain. A timid, nice, monotone mouse.
Our previous captains.
( when we spanked celtic )
Greig. Souness. Butcher. Gough. Amorouso. Ferguson. Weir.
Don't know what's more infuriating.
Tavernier.
Or (his) fans.
Definitely his fans tavernier can't be something he's not his fans are delusional and have very low standards
Let’s not overreact. Every Rangers fan knew after the start to the season under Beale and the quality of our squad that we would be struggling to win the league this season, and that it was most likely going to be another year of transition. We won a league cup, have a chance of winning the Scottish Cup, done well in Europe and were in a title race until the weekend.
Sure, it ended with another disappointing defeat, but we have some good players within that squad. The Summer transfer window wasn’t the issue (ours was much better than Celtics who didn’t start one player on Saturday that they signed in the Summer). Sterling and Butland have been excellent. Dessers has done his job. Sima was our best outfield player before his injury. The issue is that our squad is completely imbalanced and constantly injury ridden. We have almost no wingers and a real lack of quality in midfield. We talk about how good Celtics midfield is, but imagine if they were all injured for half the season like our first choice of Danilo, Cortes and Sima were. IMO Saturday is a different game if these guys are playing, cos Celtic struggle to defend against pacy wingers.
Anyways it doesn’t matter now, but I think that we have some signs to be optimistic. If Sima etc are back for the final then we have a good chance for a double. I feel with a fully fit squad this season that, despite the squad imbalances, we would have won the league. But it’s pie in the sky cos our players are constantly injured.
You keep banging on about getting rid of players....WHO would touch them think about it!!!!!!
The common denominator is personnel on the pitch. The axe has to fall on those players who continually drag down all the others.
The problem comes from the so called senior players . They been protected and pampered by successive managers.
Loyalty is all very well, however, when the same players are continually cost us games , enough is enough.
Clemente did manage to get a tune out of these played, albeit relatively briefly. The same issues done for us.
I genuinely believe you give too much Celtic , they are incredibly average, we have a team on its dying embers , so many players are finished, either on loan,out of contract or not wanting to be there . This whole process could change with good signings, high fitness and a new attitude.
I've been hearing this for years celtic aren't great ......their good enough to hammer us every game for years and years .. take your blue glasses of brother
Definitely agree with you on that one we went down one man and they still couldn’t score anymore they won because we scored it for them ❤️🤍💙
Come on guys look at all the injuries we have seven first team players out give the boys some credit 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
@SoniaMcDonald-eg5cx shona it coulda been 5-1 to them a saved penalty and twonin the net aff side it was easy like most games we had one shot on target can you explain the credit part
The score in every OF this season has flattered us. We could have lost each game by 5 goals. The most worrying thing is I don't know what we were trying to do tactically against them just seemed to lob an aimless ball up the park. The one time we actually attacked with structure we scored
2 more years of Tavernier. IS A DISASTER. ( waiting to happen )
If so it be another manager that bites the dust
Clement got sacked at Monaco because his team collapsed at the run in. Just like us. Anyone that thinks we are going to win the league again in the next five years are of their nut. There is something fundamentally bad with this club.
4 times in the first half Macgergor runs off Lawrence ,3 times Riley runs off Laudstram ..McGregor running around laughing !
Mgregor found it more difficult against Raskin. If Mgregor after injury can empty the tank for them. Raskin can for us. Raskin and Diomande worked well in the last 10 mins. Though I would like to see Diomande and Sterling with Raskin in his Belgium u21s role as a CAM. Lawrence is actually a LW. Put Silva RW for the final games.
Manager has become boring now. If we lose the cup final then the first game at parkhead next year he will be sacked. That’s a fact. It has happened the last two years. Sick of hearing how they show great spirit when they are two down then lose.
It’s just the thought of giving him a summer to rebuild then if it is a poor start to the season, you sack him and start from scratch again. If the Scottish cup final is lost, is it time for McInnes to do with better players, what he has done with Killie - get results against Brendan Rodgers.
quite enough of the Celtic praise lads c'mon... "McGregor miles better than anything we have" is a mental comment. Clement going with Borna and the midfield three show his tactical naivety. Not saying we could get a better manager but youz need to realise Tav is not a captain nor a leader, blames everyone around him constant, then scores a goal and everyone forgets, but it doesnt balance out at the end.
Team is in a rut and Clement has failed to recognise that there are group of players of continually make the same mistakes. Never changed shape never rotated players from the bench into starting positions to try and freshen the side. Same old faces week after week.
Whal terrifc to see to to great Heay weight Chris and John if you see Clement don't let him of the hook with questions.
Thought we were extremely poor lundstram should never start another game for rangers clements tactics are strange to say the least the players looked defeated before they stepped onto the park ability is one thing but where is the passion n pride in our team from the players to except defeat like that. Need a clear out am glad there a good few leaving as there a waste of space at least 5 or 6 players are out of contract.
Ask Fergus........... 😊
Speaking about the need for continuity, apart from Butland who will be sold this summer or next, where is the next captain?
I think continuity is the last thing we need brother. Unless what we want is to be continual losers.
@@davidp8380 not in that context.
@garybookless4543 What continuity do you mean? This isn't a good team that we're looking to build on. We don't have players that have been over course time and again or have shown they have the mental or technical ability to be a Rangers player. I'm not having a go I'm just curious what continuity you mean.
@@davidp8380 I was reacting to the guys online who mentioned Patterson, Bassey, Aribo. A player model. There's nothing of that anymore. The dead wood in that squad is embarrassing. I'm the first to slaughter the captain, Goldson and Barasic who apart from 1 season have been front and centre of the worst Rangers defence in nearly 40 years. I was speaking about the lack of continuity hence my comment that we don't even have a natural captain to step in when the current one leaves in the summer.
@garybookless4543 Oh I see, yeah I get you now. I agree 👍. Piss poor squad management has got us here unfortunately. We need to be run far better from here on in.
As fans we are all not happy
sorry but Jonny is talking mince in regards to Scottish players that "know the club, history". its about quality.
We all knew we needed a goal scorer in January as dressers is good enough the board must take the blame for not buying shankland there are plenty ways we could have financed it
Ask him some of the stuff yous talk on the show
352 was the battle cry from the fans …..now our manager worries us
Morning guys
If we want success, we must rid oursleves of old faces that produce the same losing patterns and defensive errors, or fold when there is a chance to take an advantage year in, year out. We need guys with big mentality. Bigger than that we must stop signing guys with poor injury records, which we have done since Gerrards time. When will we learn? We must stop giving one more year, to broken players who can't last much of a season as well. Get rid of the deadwood, as has been suggested for many seasons, lighten the wage bill and shop smart for players, even if that means using our own leagues here and further afield and doing heavy background checks into how robust they are and picking up on injury repeatitive types as red flags. We need to cover our needs and be prudent. Goldson on £37k per week, vs Maeda on 16k per week, Tav on £30k per week while O'Riley is on £16k for example. What were our board and money men thinking? Those decison makers need punted by someone higher. This club needs run better and we need to sign better. Celtic pucked up Maeda for £1.6 million. So its not a matter of spending above our usual budget. Like it or not even in the Murray days and since, Celtic have competed for less than we spend. We need to spend what we have wisely.
The reality is since the journey back from the financial disaster we have yet to reach a squad that could be described as 'Rangers standard'. They have had their moments with the Gerrard unbeaten title season and the Gio Europa Final/Scottish Cup, but one off seasons is not Rangers standard.
Silva just needed to focus on heading the ball in the net instead of trying to win the penalty
I’ll be watching very closely on Wednesday how Kilmarnock do. If McInnes can get another result against Rosgers, imagine what he could do with better players, more money and wages? I know what happened in the past but if the cup final goes the same way as Saturday, it’s time to look at a guy who has proven consistently to get results against Rodgers.
Please explain how we are going to score with a striker who doesn't know the offside rule
It's about energy levels. The team just look tired.
We had the new manager bounce, we had a run and then reverted to old. We will see what happens next year with a few new players and hopefully the players there move up and not drag the new players down
Celtic are confident going to ibrox....Rangers are scared going to parkhead simple as that
Explain souter injury explain Scott wright
For me I thought we were once again the architects of our own doom as you need to execute the gameplan and cut out the idiotic and basic mistakes,Celtic are good enough without giving them freebies on top,on Saturday we left men unmarked,scored an own goal and just when we started to undo the damage,lundstram decides it would be a good idea to add to his stupid own goal by flying in on a player who was in his own half and got rightly sent off for being an idiot,effectively ending our chances of getting anything from the game!
Where is the money coming from for all these summer signings ? Beale spent a lot of cash on guys who look as if they are no great shakes , long contracts, big salaries stuck with financial liabilities.. it’s pretty much what you expect .. Rangers cut open at will by a team who look far sharper .. if Celtic had taken half their chances it would have been a cricket score . These guys have no belief and that is very concerning… Celtic are the team with the money, momentum and belief they can win think things look very bleak
Manager picked wrong team . Seen team an hour before kick off and utterly deflated. Yilmaz raskin cantwell needed to play. Barasic , lundstrum, Lawrence all wrong choices. Tavernier cost first goal at ibrox and second one here jogs out and allows cross. How many mistakes can one player make but play every week ? Dessers not good enough everyone can see it. Problems all over the place .
Getting rid of Butland this early would be stupid.
Chris …need players like Tav … your having a laugh.
And iam sorry guys but yous have to start asking clement different and better questions
Agree Jonny signing proven Shankland, Miovski to add to Danilo is no brainer however they must also clear out serial losers Tavernier, Goldson, Lundstrom and Barasic - Celtic own these 4, zero belief… Play Sterling and Ridvan as full backs and use Tavernier, Goldson and Davies money and wages to sign 2 new dominating/agile centre backs… Playing Sterling out of position to protect a woeful defender like Tavernier is a nonsense… Clement must be ruthless and totally clinical in getting rid of current so called leadership…
Souter injury wright coming on Jesus fuck get fit players through the door and especially ones that can play football
I’ve been begging we go 352 for years but we don’t have defenders who can stay fit
I'm 64 this year and I could guarantee you that I'm faster and a better Ball player than Scott wright
Get your boots your signed
That was their best team , our team was a shadow of what it should be because of injury . A team of Butland , Tav, Souttar Balegon , Ridvan , Sterling , Dio , Cantwell , Cortes , Dani and Sima and it would have been a different result I think .
It’s like Hearts Vs Hibs we are 2nd best to Celtic,We got the champions league places and gave them it all lol
Diomande was poor … 4.5 million ?
Raskin isn't the solution. Wait and see. Loses possession far too much.
Absolute nonsense Jonny with Lawrence
Embarassing for Chris with Josh and Jonny hogging the show
Has to be raskin diomande Sterling in midfield
Because we're pish lol
Same old story. I never want to see Lundstram near the club again. Embarrassing football player. Hate to say it but big red flags for Clement in the past couple months as his tactics, lineups and comments he’s made have been nothing short of baffling. These are the same reasons he was let go at Monaco.. If he picks the same lineup and uses the same tactics for the cup final and loses it, it will be very very toxic for him and the players and rightfully so. Massive massive changes needed in many departments of the club come summer time. Just hope this time we get it right with signings. Never ending same old story year after year. Sick of it..
Too much praise of celtic players, it's over the top. We never fielded a settled team in any department, it's been like starting over every 3 weeks. Make no mistake! Rangers have lost this title, the two extra trips up to dundee caused a fatigue to set in I feel, for this reason we have given a poor Celtic another free title.
Ridiculous comment, you have given celtic nothing, Celtic took 10/12 points from rangers, you can't give something that was never yours. 2 trips to Dundee caused fatigue 😂😂😂 embarrassing.
Celtic are much better than us just now. The sooner we accept that, the sooner we fix it, instead of living in delusion and ending up second best season after season.
Comical post 😅Dundee trips clemont talks a good game he's getting found out now x3 against celtic and still couldnt sus them out tactically innept
If celtic lose there next 2 games and rangers win do we win the league
Only if we improve our goal difference..
If a big word
Maybe Muscat would have been the better choice
Dessers will turn 30 next season... I doubt we will get all our money back as we probably overpaid for a player his age/ability. Pushing for his sale after spending 5 minutes talking about the trouble we have getting fit and reliable strikers is a bit rich as well... He plays every single game and has also scored 21 goals this season. I agree that we don't really want him to be the first choice number 9 going into big matches as ideally you'd have someone who has better shot conversion rate than he does but I think he should be kept as a reliable back up option.
With a settled team rangers win that league at a canter
Collum down right cheating over a clear dive by Riley for a penalty,fans mobbing Tav at a corner and items hitting him and Collum throwing them aside questions need addressing at high level .
Lost all faith in clement he has to go just look what he did at Monaco he can’t get teams over the finish line. Anyone who says he’s picked up Beales mess. Beale record is way better than clements and Beale brought in some cracking players like butland sterling dessers 20+ goals clement has brought in the worst player I’ve seen in ages silva and he won’t play raskin who’s far better than lunny
Eh beale was there longer and had 2 windows and didn't win a trophy so top talking pish. There is only one stat that matters and that is trophies and Clement has already proved he is better so that debate is dead right there. He is stuck with beale and gio and Gerrard dead signings
Beale threw away Sakala, Colak, Arfield and brought in players who were terrible while he was here. Lammers was here 4 months before being loaned out. Imagine backing up Beale and trying to compare. We were booing wins under Beale. Also, playing musical chairs with managers will ruin us, someone needs appointed and trusted to get it right as this team needs gutted out. Same core of players have got Gio and Beale sacked, that's the problem and Clement DESERVES the summer to sort it out. Enough of this emotional "Clement out" pish....
Clement won 3 titles on the spin with 2 different teams which landed him that Monaco job. They sold their best players for over 100m. There's also the small matter of PSG that tends to prevent Monaco winning many titles these days.
Clement is not the problem albeit the midfield is not the one I'd have selected. Lack of athleticism and quality is the issue. I fully expect the players coming in to be powerful, hard running and younger more athletic players. We didn't have the legs for it on Saturday
❤️🤍💙Well played Big Sterling always plays great wen asked to play out of position should of had the Big man in the middle plus well played to Super Jack Butland as usual PC needs to get rid of these bottle merchants as they av failed too much ❤️🤍💙
Because they are shite what's the mystery. There's a song oh the ranger's are shite oh the ranger's are shite thought yous knew this😂😂😂😂😂