4AGE 20V AW11 MR2, The Poor Man's Ferrari [EP8] - THE SKID FACTORY
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Today on The Burnout Warehouse Woody & Al head down to @NuggetGarage to hit the Hub dyno and tune the MR2!
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When the credits roll and there's nearly 8 minutes of video left you know you're in for outtake gold 👌😂😂😂
Welcome back to The Wood Factory 🤣🤣
some say that's how he introduces himself to the ladies as well
Info for the Hoff on tuning 4age20v. The logic that controls the VVT comes in three types for the 20 valve. To the best of my knowledge, silvertop 20v's pre May 1993 have the VVT actuate at about 4400rpm. Post May 1993 they seem to work on throttle position and ignore revs.
The blacktops seem to work like this, as described on Club4AG -
1. Starting. When you crank the starter there will be VVT operation until the engine fires up, obviously to allow more air into the engine to allow an easier fire up.
2. Coolant temp. There is absolutely NO VVT operation when the coolant tempt is below 50c except for that brief moment when you operate the starter. Reason obvious, who want to stress a cold engine.
3. Engine rpm. VVT will operate in any rpm between the range of 1500 and 7200 when the inlet manifold pressure is right. The min and max range can be a little out because I was reading from the car tacho. Trust me they are very close.
4. Engine load/inlet manifold pressure. This seems to be the single most important parameter controling the system. The VVT will NOT operate if the inlet manifold has more than about 5 inches of vacuum (can't get the exact reading because everything happen so fast. It's very close.). This is very close to zero vacuum which is atmospheric and that is about the maximum load the map sensor will read to tell the engine in an NA car. As you can figure out the throttle will usually be in the more than 3/4 position for this to happen.
5. VVT will work without the speed sensor.
I'm think Al is starting to enjoy the filming since he can finally troll Woody and make him feel uncomfortable hehe
Compare this to Al's first appearences on MCM during initial Supergramps build
He doesnt half give woody a roastin !!!!
Or is he more angry because no turbo?
I think u r right 😂😂😂😂
Absolutely loving the sound and polished paint but have to agree with Al on the wheels. Can't wait for the next project! :D
Abomination!
I'm not usually a fan of a 4 banger exhaust note, but this thing sounds fantastic! Looks super clean too after the wash.
@@microbuilder I could be wrong but I think a lot of what youre hearing here is intake noise
@@toddmccarter45 It is induction noise
Yeah I've gotta agree with you on the wheels, they're nice wheels but they don't suit the car at all, the deep dish style does suit it though, especially with the arch flares
Woody on the t shirt looks like a family guy character, Quagmire's Australian cousin 🤣
Giggley,giggly,giggly eh mate.
Everyone: "how comes you never build cool $hit like this??"
Me: "cause i got no money, that's why!!"
poya kiani Ohh yeah, I drive a bike. Motorless.
"TÜV ist why. Getting shit legal is hard and expensive."
@@AccAkut1987 absolut richtig mann
I much preferred the old wheel and tire package for sure. Sorry man, I'm with Al.
Rear Mount Turbo supra videos found here!
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If this was an McM episode it'd of ended around 14:00, or 21:02.
Thanks for all your hard work guys; and all the content you give us to enjoy.
It wasn't long ago, when they made few over an hour long project videos.
You can't forget its still just a hobby for marty and moog. They have dayjobs. This on the otherhand must be a big part of woody and al's income.
@@hondacota4rt Can't tell if your joking or not 🤔
X2
Gonna do the typical CZcams comment here: Al does make a good point... There is no point revving the engine past max power when going for power numbers.
AFAIK, it can be beneficial when on a circuit as even though you start to lose power, you may still have more power than the next ratio.
Power curve depending of course
As always, love the videos guys. Definitely, a video to watch with headphones on!
HRRRRRUUUUUURRRRR!
Plus the fact when you change up your power put down is dropped by the gear ratio.
Absolutely, high revs are only useful if you can keep throwing fuel, air and spark into the engine to keep up, otherwise you're just leaning on the engine way too hard.
And you're right about circuit driving. It depends how far apart the gear ratios are, but generally if you're not gaining any power by revving higher, you're out of the engines efficiency band and changing up should drop it back in
Usually you want a run or two past peak power if you expect to rev it that high racing so you can figure out where to shift. Ideally you want the most power throughout the curve. So unless if falls off quick after peak you’ll rev it past peak so it doesn’t fall to low when you shift.
And, hopefully the higher gears are a closer ratio so you’re keeping it closer to peak power.
to add to this, back when I used to go to the drag strip as a noobie, I kept being told "never redline the engine, most engines run out of power before redline, so shift at the end of the power curve" BUT, this resulted in 16.4 runs in a 1993 honda del sol which "factory rating" for my engine model was 16.8.... running it to the redline and ringing it out, I ended up hitting 15.9.... which I was told should be impossible because of the stock rating for that engine with no mods. now some have argued "clearly there is power all the way to redline" as an excuse, but it doesn't. the fact was, shifting right when power ended resulted in dropping below the power band, and having to "chug" your way back into it. the idea that an engine revs "more free" at high rpm than low rpm.... so by going to redline, you have an easier time getting through that extra space, and when the rpm drops from gear shift, you get put RIGHT INTO the power band. every single car ive ever taken to the track, I would look at where the max power was and shift at that point, vs shifting redline, and redline racing has ALWAYS resulted in the fastest times. even going through 4 different vehicles I have owned, 3 different brands too with all of them having massively different engine designs.... of course someone will probably get pissed off reading this then give me a ton of shit for it. but ive lived it. not just a keyboard warrior XD
depends on the engine, and what you are doing with it, some like it to go past and drop back in near peak.
I liked the old wheels more.
Great result, have to agree with Al about the wheels and brakes. Looks like wrapping the exhaust extractors would be a good idea. Plus some snorkel intakes Abarth X19 style.
To go from 153HP to 165HP is an increase of 7.84% (165 - 153 = 12; 12 / 153 = 0.0784313; 0.0784 x 100 = 7.84)
and as this group always say, you can't notice anything less than a 10% increase (you probably could with this one though because it's so light).
if that piece of shit had 153hp even when his bro bought it, I'm Diego Maradona xD
🤦🏻♂️
Enz0 Maradonna turned out to be a fat cheating grub in the end. Buuuut 150hp in this is still better than a 308’s power output, even with overpriced rocket industries valve covers 🤔
Albert Maynard
Well done, get a sweetie from the jar.
"Colour-matched exhaust headers." Great line. Not a bad match, either. :-D
Man that motor sounds good. Awesome job woody, love the build!
I'm loving Al's voice overs..... The MR2 looks and sounds great.
Damn, the car looks f$%king mint 👌
Agreed!
Hahah hoffs shirt "burnout warehouse"
Discount Direct
Speaking of shirts, the guy on Woody's shirt looks more like the Hoff, rather than Woody!! haha!
snag and skid 😂
Damn, car looks really clean after the detail!
Woody giving creep eye is like a shaven Ron Jeremy in the passenger seat.
'minimal gains from E85 on engines not prone to detonation'
Next step. TURBO! Top job boys. What a nice little classic! Good score and good build! Looks mint AF after the detail!
If the end of that tuning session wasn't a Lemon Squash moment, I don't know what is. It's like I don't even know you anymore!
Never expected I would be jealous at the conclusion of the build - but here I am.
17:45 Hoff's like dude, control your outbursts...I don't want to be forced to backhand you bruh...
E85 has higher octane but lower energy than 98 octane. This means that more fuel is used for the same power production so technically less power is being made. But because higher boost and more aggressive timing can be used the engine can be forced to make more power than it can on a lower octane fuel, if a fuel with as much energy as 98 but much higher octane was used even more power can be made with less fuel burnt.
Good on ya for finishing you car Woody! Also say thanks to Al for putup with your crap and all the help he gave to to finish this thing and the wiring and everything else!
6:55 What I love about this build is how uncluttered this engine bay is!!
Marty : 2SEXY
Moog : 2WISTD
Woody : 2SLOW
Always love a lil red sports car. One of my favourite cars on Skid Factory.
About 178hp in the engine then is really good, first car on the skid factory i want in my garage, such a cool car the early mr2s :)
The "Hair Nets" thing from the Simpsons is in response to Sea Captain getting dirty and then punishing the crew.
Woody, you made Al get dirty touching the MR2 so now you get punished by... owning/ driving the MR2 (or probably just pushing a broom)?
Loved the "Infinite Mirror" idea where Art meets Life and vica versa, and yes, totally Rick and Morty. Nailed it.
"Pissed in muddy creek water" hahaha
I heard that too. Lol
Wow this thing turned out mint, I think the Japanese would admire this work!
that amount of power form a 1.6 n/a is still very impressive, well over 100hp per litre
the paint correction is beautiful
The banter you guys have just made my day, thanks!
Cheers from Tokyo
Stu
Love it, there’s not enough built NA cars around, sounds so good
This show is getting better and better every episode. The Al & Woody combo are perfect....👍👍
Awesome build! But I gotta agree with Al, I liked the old wheels better.
"Genuine Rotas" people gon be triggered.
Aren't they copied off of Longchamps? I can't remember exactly
@@shiftdowntv4511 the wheels are Work Equip 01, though I'm not sure who popularised that style. Genuine Work wheels are nice though.
@@trd8749 Rota Zero's look great too, tho. And the quality is just fine.
@@TearothDK said no one EVER. Rota is trash quality!
The Hoff has that 'Keith from The Office" vibe going on. I kept expecting him to pull out a scotch egg.
"Genuine Rotas" love it
Boys, loved the banter in the last few minutes, that shit makes this show
Red n Shiny, it came up sweet.
I'm with Al on the wheels though and spacers. 75mm wheel spacers usually mean the bearings are in there far a good time not a long time. I would have to get out the calculator but the spacers would increase the wheel bearing load to 125 ~130 % of a proper fitted wheel.
Regardless nice result.
Those spacers are for the hub dyno.. our mate John machined up some 5mm slip on hub centric spacers for the wheels.
The Skid Factory now now don’t Qld engineering rules forbid spacers!
Spacers are illegal for street cars in Australia, that was just for the hub dyno
Joe Alex spacers might be illegal but it doesn’t stop many from using them.
The Skid Factory my
I love this series so much thank you for the entertainment!!
Awesome build Woody! Please just fix those wheel bearings before you head out on track.
Guys, well done hey, that lil MR looks the goods and sounds amazing!
*Good choice on the wheels too Woody, they fit just right ;)
Yeah with Spacers to clear the brakes lol no its proper look for its day but she needs @ Turbski I mean just Gonna SENDITTTT!!!!
It’s like watching a Malcom Douglas adventure documentary on cars with Al’s voice overs. Love it. Do one with some jazz background music and the job’s on.
WOW! She shined up really well!
That engine bay is looking very tidy. Great work boys!
Love the MR2, great little pocket rocket. IMO the Rotos were way better.
It turned out way better than expected and it sounds awesome 👍
Don't you guys ever change your interaction with each other. Someone might just actually think you're having a good time? I think the outtakes are great!!! All the best from Canada
I really hope we get to see some track time of this car soon!
With Al on the wheels
Al roasting Woody's wheels was gold! I did lol at the Bob Jane 17x7s though! 😂
Not bad, factory flywheel power at the hubs. Good job Woods
Looks absolutely mint Woody! Excellent work, and spot on homage to the old skool Japaense goodness!
At the beginning of the video my crazy mind couldn't help but visualize Woody as an eagle with some giant ass talons with those boots 🤔🤣😂😅
Yes, good luck unseeing that ! Lol
What a lovely little ripper this has turned out to be! :D
Makes me want one of my own, but I'm not sure I want the hassle of wrenching in that tight engine bay.
Thanks for the video and the extended outtakes, really made my day!
10:20 that awkward moment when ya mid conversation and someone hijacks it away from you, you’re just left in the middle all quiet and feeling invisible 😬
Al'sl a champ and so is the Hoff
even if your not getting more HP with the E85 I would still run it just for the cooling effect it give's to the upper cylinders think about it all engines run better when there cooler and you live in a really hot part of the world so any little bit helps. it will drop the temp of the incoming air and keep it running cooler.
I prefer the wheels that were on it in the first place. Awesome car and sound, love it
Nice to see a classic mini 🙌
I think the car is great! Used to own one back in the day and I miss that car.
They're a hard car to forget.
Those types of filter base plates have several options for cold air feed/airboxes - I'd strongly suggest using one as that engine compartment gets rather warm, especially in traffic.
Excellent entertainment. You guys are absolute legends.
Those wheels look mint. Al would put jelly beans on it.
About 7.5%, so Woody was spot on with the "8 or 7% gain"
Man the Hoff is a nice guy
Wood factory? That was going to be my other Google search...
I had some genuine Rota Equips on my MX5, love the hot boi fitment real deal :)
I love that Al and Woody are not related but yet it's obvious that they are brothers.
Saw you driving it past 7/11 the other day. Such a mad car
When your dyno run sounds like "BBBWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAARRRRRRTTTTNNNNNNNN", you know you've built a really nice naturally aspirated 4 banger.
'AND THEN I DO THIS' had me fuckin rolling, use the technology against him woody! Hahaha
Love the Fiero badge on the hood
Get an lsd. Best thing you can do to these cars! I had a 222kw atw 7agte aw11 with an open centre and a blacktop 4age lsd swapped aw11 and the blacktop with lsd was way more fun to hoon!
Woody with that T-Shirt hanging out the MR2. Skidception
Atta boy Woody ;) that’s a sweet ride man..! Oh, thanks Al ;))))
Nice work guys! love that N/A sound. Would be awesome to see you guys out on track or events enjoying the builds you do! especially that MR2!
Congrats on an awesome build woody!
Looks like "Quagmire" on that shirt.
I lost it with the "is that Adam LZ" crack. lmao
Giggity
Freddy mercury vibes
Damn Woody that is one tidy MR2. Brilliant resto. I love the wheels but agreed with Al the fitment isn't something I'd go for. I would still be pretty happy to own that though 👌. Great job and great series.
The vvt on the blacktop is only for the mid range rpm. It should be off at low engine speed and turn off again at high engine speed. Could that be the reason why the engine is not making power past 7.5k rpm?
Factory ECU uses a load point to trigger the VVT. The trigger range is (as tested so known) 2500-8000. To replicate this test, simply do a A/B test of VVT on and off. To disable the VVT solenoid, unplug it.
The factory load point is unknown. From what I have seen, a good trigger point for aftermarket ECUs is using the Throttle Position Sensor and setting it to activate the VVT at 20%.
Restoring the VVT activation at low RPM produces much greater torque for greater acceleration. Its activation advances the cam to increase overlap and close the valves earlier thus creating and trapping more mass. Due to how it works, torque gains are larger at lower RPM, trailing off to nothing at peak RPM. In my opinion, switching off and on during an RPM is not fully utilising the benefits that the VVT was designed for.
On of my favorite channels and love all your builds. Been a great series and looking forward to more. Big hello from Fort Myers FL.
In the immortal words of Habib, "that's fully sick bro!"
T U hhhmyy gawwd
that paint came up mint! I remember back home in NZ people loved the old MR2's even tho they used to kill their drives a lot when they caught on fire...:)
A 40 year old 1.6 liter NA engine making 160whp? I am very impressed. It sounds sick and probably gets better mileage than my car with 1 less cylinder and half the power.
Levent Ergün What about a pat on the back for Kelford Cams ,Christchurch,that supplied the bump shafts to make that crank spin.
Who cares how fast it goes, It sounds so good
Glad to see I'm not the only one left saying the word poxy 🤣👌🏽
Factory fifth-generation 4A-GE engine produced 121 kW (163 hp; 165 PS) at 7,800 rpm with 16.5 kg⋅m (162 N⋅m; 119 lbf⋅ft) of torque at 5,600 rpm.
I reckon that engine's got a bit more to give on the internals you've got. 150's typically what you'd get out of a moderately-built 16-valve Redtop; a Blacktop with modest internal upgrades is probably good for...oh, about 170 on 98-octane pump gas, I'd wager. Still, I know this engine's not in the greatest condition (though I've seen worse), and discretion is the better part of valor...or a thrown rod.
Woody, I want to thank you and Al both for doing this. This isn't quite how I would've done my own MR2 if I had the time, money, and skill to devote to it, but it's pretty damn close. I don't know that I'll ever be able to get another AW11, and getting to watch one get brought back to life in a spec very similar to what I wanted to do with mine is...well, it's cathartic. So...thanks, guys.
The Hoff has a full house big dollar 16 valve engine in his circuit racing AE86 and it makes 185hp at 10000rpm. A std blacktop is not going to go near that.
Ferrari red..... sounds like a 70's Yamaha 350 , excellent work looks great ))
So reminds me of 1987, I won a DYO Street Meet @ Heathcote Park Dragway in a brand new Twin Cam Hatch (FWD) on a 16.4 dial-in... "OH, What a Feeling - TOYOTA!"
Love the b- roll at the end
NA ITB noises...... Love it!
Need more car like the MR2 which the regular guy can relate to
Nice Mini lurking at the Hoff's there and the MR2 came out really nice!
Kombucha - Tastes like Bin Water
Dont need crazy power to have fun. Very cool.