Flat-Bar Ghost Grappler!

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  • čas přidán 10. 07. 2024
  • Last month, Surly Launched the Ghost Grappler, their first dedicated drop-bar trail bike. Because of its trail-centric geometry, it seemed like a good candidate to test with a flat bar. Neil does exactly that in our latest video, walking through what you need to make the conversion happen and sharing his thoughts on how the bike rides with a flat bar...
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    Intro: 0:00
    What you need to convert: 1:20
    Component comparison: 4:01
    How it rides: 4:47
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    Surly Ghost Grappler Review - A Drop Bar Trail Bike? - • Surly Ghost Grappler R...
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Komentáře • 89

  • @NanoDex
    @NanoDex Před 2 lety +12

    I love my Surly Krampus. It has gotten me 20mi daily to and from work through thick and thin, snow rain and heat for many many years!! I'm sure this bike is also a weapon!

  • @markbabcock
    @markbabcock Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks! This is exactly the video I hoped to see.

  • @tomg.542
    @tomg.542 Před 2 lety

    I'm here for the gorgeous scenery. Got my bikes thankyou much.

  • @outtatrex
    @outtatrex Před 2 lety +11

    It makes sense to put a flat bar on this bike. Looks much better too.

  • @juliapoelstra3624
    @juliapoelstra3624 Před rokem +3

    Switched to the exact shifter and levers you recommended! Loving the moloko bar on the Grappler. Thanks for this video.

  • @freedville
    @freedville Před 2 lety +5

    Thanks for sharing! I’m planning on doing this with my Specialized Diverge with Ritchey Kyote bars.

  • @reeceholmes8546
    @reeceholmes8546 Před 2 lety

    that green colour is beautiful, top bike, thanks Neil, flat bars for sure

  • @tomg.542
    @tomg.542 Před 2 lety +5

    I'm sold on flat bars on mountain bikes. If you are looking at a long ride with tons of pavement mixed in, then throw a set of aero bars on it. Looks goofy but adds versatility and a godsend in a headwind.

  • @justdude8115
    @justdude8115 Před 2 lety +1

    Now I finally have an idea how to build my future gravel - this frameset with crazy bars, 27.5 x 2.5 tires and double chainring. This should work fine for bikepacking

  • @JohnGarrish
    @JohnGarrish Před rokem

    Read my mind thanks for posting

  • @redknightsr69
    @redknightsr69 Před 2 lety

    Thank you for this I had the same idea

  • @capeljov2666
    @capeljov2666 Před 2 lety

    Love it, long head tube culd compensate for my long leegs, was looking for big stack bike, and I think I found it, Thank you

  • @amitkumar-wj8gn
    @amitkumar-wj8gn Před 2 lety +1

    Not the same kinda bike, but I did this with my Marin Four Corners and couldn't be happier.

  • @mrljgibson
    @mrljgibson Před 2 lety +2

    I run flat bars, I went off drop bars when I was a 11 years old and made a mistake while shifting on the bars, looked down and went head first into the back of a car. Tried my brothers 21 speed racer but by that time I was into BMX. Built myself a 29er using an old 2011/2012 Voodoo Bizango as a bikepacking bike, and as it is intended for flat bars and has relatively modern geometry I can run flat bars and a short stem easily. Currently running 800mm bars with new Rock Shox Judy silver forks. I like the extra pull you can exert while pedalling with wider bars.

  • @ralph3384
    @ralph3384 Před rokem +1

    I built a flat bar ghost grappler from the ground up. Pretty sweet.

  • @RikvanHuik
    @RikvanHuik Před 2 lety +2

    Tektro MT2.1 eclipse is another option if you want to run short pull brakes with flat bars. Those levers have an adjustable cable pull.

  • @BrianRPaterson
    @BrianRPaterson Před 2 lety

    Cool. Looks almost ideal to me.
    I'd solve the hand position problem by fitting some short bar ends, and wrap them in road-bartape for max comfort.

  • @rpiian
    @rpiian Před rokem

    I've got a Kona Rove DL with a flat bar setup. I would agree with a 50mm stem it's def on the twitchier side. But it's snappy and super direct. I'd like to go the other direction and throw a corner bar on there, but they're hard to find these days! I've been on waiting lists for months.

  • @juliapoelstra3624
    @juliapoelstra3624 Před rokem

    I bought the Grappler and I'm looking into putting the Surly moloko bar on. My hands don't love the brifters that came with it. I think the moloko bar will give me all the hands positions I need and braking will feel much nicer with the short pull

  • @Adventuregirl96
    @Adventuregirl96 Před rokem +2

    My husband runs a flat bar on his Salsa Journeyer and he loves it. Just has the problem of not enough hand positions.

  • @tomvale2054
    @tomvale2054 Před 2 lety

    Looks proper tbh

  • @davidross8233
    @davidross8233 Před 2 lety +4

    I think it would be great with a Tumbleweed Persuader bar. I’ve got a ruptured disk in my back so drop bars are a thing of my past.

  • @mrljgibson
    @mrljgibson Před 2 lety +1

    One good move is to run NS bikes Hold Fast grips, a bit wider than most grips so it means you have a bit more room to adjust your hand positioning if your hand starts to go a little strained.

  • @chrismackenzie4789
    @chrismackenzie4789 Před 2 lety +1

    Doing anything off-road is just way more practical and fun with a flat bar. I think drops work on the road and long gravel rides. I’d definitely run this as a MTB though.

  • @CristianValenzuela2155

    A great way to realize these bikes are just hybrid bikes with drops and fancy thru-axles

  • @travischapman6763
    @travischapman6763 Před 2 lety +6

    This video definitely hits at my hypothesis that eventually everyone will realize that once your bike is burly enough and your tires wide enough then it becomes more comfortable to just ride it like a normal mountain bike and that the market will eventually stop throwing drop bars on so many bikes. Does it look cool? Yes. Is it practical to use drop bars on a bike as capable as the poiseidon redwood or this ghost grappler? Perhaps not. Of course, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

    • @kbd13-n9c
      @kbd13-n9c Před 2 lety +3

      It has do so with individual comfort though. Flat bars aren’t comfortable for everyone

    • @antonroux6737
      @antonroux6737 Před 2 lety

      @@kbd13-n9c 🙄

    • @ktakashismith
      @ktakashismith Před 2 lety +2

      @@antonroux6737 ...your point? I personally have never ridden a flat bar that's comfortable beyond the 4-hour mark.

    • @chacmool2581
      @chacmool2581 Před 8 měsíci

      ​​@@ktakashismithAs one who tours -- most of the day on the bike, day after day -- with flat bars, I say that the limiting factor for comfort is not one's hands and wrists but rather one's bum and seat bones.

  • @bcmtnbka
    @bcmtnbka Před 2 lety +13

    I am surprised that Cornerbar wasn't an option with this bike

    • @ks-pg5sh
      @ks-pg5sh Před 2 lety +3

      Start with a frameset, and the world is yours.

    • @coreygolphenee9633
      @coreygolphenee9633 Před 2 lety

      They sold too many of them to put them on a complete

    • @rpiian
      @rpiian Před rokem

      Hard to find the Cornerbar right now.

  • @whopostedthis
    @whopostedthis Před 2 lety +2

    It’s only a flat bar mountain bike because Surly said it is! If you bought the frameset as is without any info on the complete bike, you’d definitely think it was designed for flat bars.

  • @gregorywelage6490
    @gregorywelage6490 Před rokem

    Would you please be able to comment on how you think the Surly Corner Bars would feel on this bike? I'm looking at doing a custom build for doubletrack/fire road/light singletrack use. I'm also curious how you think the Ghost Grappler would feel on 29x2.1" wheels with the 50mm BB drop? Thanks for any insight you may be able to provide!

  • @RusticRussellAdventures
    @RusticRussellAdventures Před 2 lety +2

    You had me at "put some beer on it". Seriously... 10mm of difference in stem length can make such a difference! Hopefully people (an you) will try that. Happy Trails buddy 👍

    • @BIKEPACKINGcom
      @BIKEPACKINGcom  Před 2 lety +2

      Spring Beers!!!! I'm going to throw a 60mm and go from there.

    • @BenjaminRadoslovich
      @BenjaminRadoslovich Před 2 lety

      @@BIKEPACKINGcom The PNW Components Coast Stem is pretty sweet! I put one on my wife's Surly KM build this winter. Good look and has options for mounting lights or a GoPro to it.

  • @SummeRulz
    @SummeRulz Před 2 lety +1

    I have a surly ecr that I put on the highest bmx bars I could find to sit upright and peddle no-hands with a comfortable seat all day long

  • @gsrossco
    @gsrossco Před 2 lety +4

    I ended up buying the Tumbleweed Stargazer, whilst I loved the look of the Ghost Grappler and the price, it was just way to long for me. I did wonder how it might go with Jones bars? Anyway, spoilt for choice with so many great bikes to choose from.

  • @outbackwack368
    @outbackwack368 Před 2 lety +5

    I use the drops on my Cannondale Topstone about .000000001% of the time as I find it a very uncomfortable position FOR ME. Consequently, a flat bar configuration makes way more sense since I find that way more comfortable overall. I'm still searching for my 1-bike solution... monster bike or hardtail...

    • @HOllyBOni
      @HOllyBOni Před 2 lety +2

      You probably have the bars too low. IMO a lot of manufacturers still come out with drop bar bikes where the handlebar drop is just too aggressive for Average Joes, and of course most of the time they cut the steerers nice and short because that looks "cool". So many people barely ever use the drops. I also think on gravel/adventure/whatever bikes the bars should be higher to begin with compared to road bikes. On road bikes the drops are all about being aero. But on a gravel bike the drops give you a more secure position for rough descends, and you have more leverage on the brake levers. But when the bars are so low that you can barely even look up properly when you're in the drops, of course it's gonna be a horrible position for descending.
      That said, there is nothing wrong if you prefer one over the other. Personally I like both options for different reasons. If I was building a do it all but mainly off road focused bike, i'd probably go with flats that have more backsweep (maybe something different like a Jones), silicone grips or those Ergon ones with the "wings".

    • @outbackwack368
      @outbackwack368 Před 2 lety +1

      @@HOllyBOni Thanks. I definitely agree with how many bars come set up in an aggressive road position. I actually installed a riser stem and I still never use the drops... I just don't like that riding position at all. I'd rather use tri bars or something.

  • @georgeleakos8376
    @georgeleakos8376 Před rokem +1

    Built my Ghost Grappler from the frame up with Shimano XT/SLX mix, 12-speed. Didn’t like the Corner Bar so went back to the Jones Bars. I’ll try flat bars, just to see…

  • @serkangenc3624
    @serkangenc3624 Před 2 lety +1

    Hi there will be a question? Surly Ghost Grappler 27.5 "Is it a staff suited to do the world tour? I need your knowledge about it.

  • @peterasaldo9531
    @peterasaldo9531 Před rokem

    What kind of front deraileur can I use for a double ring in the Ghost Grappler?

  • @albert85b
    @albert85b Před 2 lety

    This is cool - but the weird thing about the Grappler is the head tube length. To get the reach I like for a flat bar, I basically end up with a head tube that is 220cm long, and more stack than a trail bike with a 140mm fork.

  • @bigmikeshooter
    @bigmikeshooter Před 2 lety +1

    Looks like a ATV ... Great bike...

  • @mountaincruiser817
    @mountaincruiser817 Před 2 lety +1

    “this video is sponsored by Salsa, ok now back to reviewing this Surly”

  • @lichinich
    @lichinich Před rokem

    насладится весенней погодой с пивком это 🙈💗🤝💥🤌🍻

  • @georgeadams5390
    @georgeadams5390 Před rokem +1

    Do you recommend going up a frame size compared to drop bar sizing?

  • @ks-pg5sh
    @ks-pg5sh Před 2 lety +1

    So, you've given good reviews to both the Ghost Grappler and the Tumbleweed Stargazer. Plenty similarities between the models, but fairly different fit prospects. If you were starting from scratch, and couldn't pick a Cutthroat...which one would you choose?

    • @BIKEPACKINGcom
      @BIKEPACKINGcom  Před 2 lety +4

      You know, I would likely go with the stargazer for it's versatility, it's not as quick on the downs, but it climbs slightly better and I'm a climber at heart. I bet you could ask this question to a handful of riders that have pedaled both and it would be a mixed bag. I' really loved the Ghost Grappler for dedicated singletrack riding over the Stargazer however, and if you are looking for a bike that does more of that, you may want to consider it.

  • @wescheslak9408
    @wescheslak9408 Před rokem +1

    Good video

  • @randallgd
    @randallgd Před 2 lety +8

    Best thing you could do to any trail, drop bar bike, is to put flat bars on it. Wise choice.

  • @kennyness8881
    @kennyness8881 Před rokem

    I’d do this immediately on my GGrappler if it weren’t for those headwinds on stretches of road between the double track.

  • @georgvaht5116
    @georgvaht5116 Před rokem

    hi, will shimano sora brake levers work with avid bb5?

  • @stevemullin1195
    @stevemullin1195 Před rokem +1

    How about alt bars like moloko or Jones bar

  • @law844
    @law844 Před rokem

    The grappler has quite a bit more trail with its fork compared to the karate monkey. The forks are different lengths but I wonder if less trail would make the bike less twitchy? This bike looks very cool but would a guy be better off just buying a flat bar designed bike like the k-monkey or kona unit.

  • @guacamolesurf
    @guacamolesurf Před rokem

    Thank you so much for your reviews!!! Do you or anyone knows If I can I change the tires 650b for 700c tires? for having the chance to do bikepacking on paved roads and other times most unpaved ones!!! Thank you!!!!

    • @BIKEPACKINGcom
      @BIKEPACKINGcom  Před rokem +1

      I don't see why not, it was specifically designed around 27.5 and drop bars, but you obviously saw that I threw flat bars on this bike, so.... yeah.

    • @guacamolesurf
      @guacamolesurf Před rokem

      @@BIKEPACKINGcom Thank you so much!! for your answer!!! that motivates me!!! cheers!!!!

  • @agunlogisteam
    @agunlogisteam Před 2 lety

    What about using alt bars, like koga denham. Surely it still got multiple hand position (pun intended 😉)

  • @MrRedPony01
    @MrRedPony01 Před 2 lety +2

    “Surly debuts drop bar mountain bike!” *installs flat bars*

  • @danleahul797
    @danleahul797 Před 2 lety +5

    Surly: launches dedicated drop bar MTB after years of research
    Bikepacking: * installs flat bar *
    Surly: am I joke to you?

  • @gusreyes5447
    @gusreyes5447 Před rokem

    Throw in a corner bar too so you'll have different hand positions..

  • @danielsonsthagen8970
    @danielsonsthagen8970 Před 10 měsíci

    The bike is solid and my Ebike conversion went great. czcams.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Very smooth ride at 30mph with no problems (135 miles ridden so far). The picture is a bit deceiving - there is WAY less space in the center of the frame than it shows. The suspension connection takes up the entire thing. So I needed to attach my battery on the bottom of the frame and my controller on the top. Instructions for assembly were lacking but honestly it wasn't too hard to figure out even though I have very little bike knowledge. Watched some youtube videos on adjusting the disk brakes but that was it. Still, I am loving it and very happy with the purchase.

  • @Turbobuttes
    @Turbobuttes Před 2 měsíci

    I think you created a taller, twice as expensive Marin Muirwoods.

  • @glennbergevin7726
    @glennbergevin7726 Před 2 lety

    I think this works because fundamentally the geometry is so bad for drop bars.

  • @microSHIFTTECH
    @microSHIFTTECH Před rokem +1

    Tell Us about it! this is such a fun bike. we built one up ( czcams.com/video/Q-vYbNiLdl4/video.html ) and were loving it.

  • @adam1885282
    @adam1885282 Před 2 lety +1

    Having no chance to buy a GG, seeing one mangled like this makes me sad :(

  • @conanfa18
    @conanfa18 Před 2 lety +7

    I will never understand??? A hard tail, for like 40-50 years, has been able to tackle 90% of the world’s terrain. Nowadays, the world’s terrain, after somewhere around 4 Billion years, is now defined by “gravel”…instead of just “earth”. The biking world has created a scenario where road bike inspired “gravel bikes”, are all the rage, worth tens of thousands of dollars. When all the while, the hard tail in the back of the garage, with the tarp covering it up from view…IS FAR MORE EFFICIENT FOR TRAVELING ON MOTHER EARTH!!!

    • @ktakashismith
      @ktakashismith Před 2 lety

      Oh damn, didn't realize that Tom Ritchey was brazing up MTBs in 1972, super reliable source of information right here everybody!
      "The World's Terrain" is an abominably stupid concept, because unless you're out trampling virgin fields or riding off a cliff, the terrain you're riding is manicured for you in some way shape or form, whether it's an explicit MTB trail, hiking trail, farm road, or asphalt. Don't delude yourself into thinking that you've had this amazing communal relationship with Mother Earth because you ride your bike on mixed surfaces, it's all human-created.
      For me a "gravel bike" (or whatever term you find most personally offensive) is fantastic, because unlike a hardtail mountain bike, it doesn't suck a magnum-sized dong to ride the requisite 15-20 miles to get out of the reach of the city and on to some quiet trails and dirt roads. Also, I can find you plenty of hardtail mountain bikes that cost a hell of a lot more than a gravel bike.

  • @gregknipe8772
    @gregknipe8772 Před 2 lety

    lets start with the name.........surly is maybe an ok starter bike in a time where good bikes are hard to come by. the two surly's I've owned needed upgrades to function. the good thing about surly's is that they are often up for sale, unused by the first or second owner. ghost grappler? yawn. I do appreciate seeing the parts you purchased to upgrade this bike.

  • @joevuch7981
    @joevuch7981 Před 2 lety +1

    lol you took away pretty much the only part of the grappler that made it unique... and then kinda preferred it. There are really only like 5 unique surly bike models anyway and you just made a rigid krampus. I bet the next "new" surly frame will be a krampus with drop bars mark my words

    • @BIKEPACKINGcom
      @BIKEPACKINGcom  Před 2 lety +4

      I think I'm just not a fan of the woodchippers, perhaps a 50cm Cowchipper would be Ideal? You get credit when that happens, Joe. ;)

    • @matt.3.14
      @matt.3.14 Před rokem +1

      @@BIKEPACKINGcom in all seriousness, the Grappler and Krampus geometry are so similar it probably makes sense to buy a Krampus, since you could put drops on it, or run a suspension fork to shift the bik toward hardtail or drops to shift toward touring. I'm thinking hard about a Krampus or Grappler, and it seems like the Krampus is more flexible. Am I missing something?

  • @2scoops624
    @2scoops624 Před 2 lety

    Will we never be satisfied? Flat bars on drop bar mountain bikes? Drop bars on flat bar road bikes? Soon we will be putting TT bars on balance bikes and a steering wheel on unicycles. Now where's my recumbent?!

    • @ktakashismith
      @ktakashismith Před 2 lety

      F*ck me if we play around with the easily-interchanged parts on bicycles, it's not like that's half the fun at all. Someone burn this man's house down for experimenting!