Painting a Warband - 21 Miniatures for Frostgrave in 2 Days
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Hi Iâm looking into getting into dnd and want miniatures on the table. I really want to do some homebrewy stuff and want it to be a classic, vanilla or retro style adventure. Can anyone give me a list of classic âthe ones you think of when you hear dndâ monsters I could get miniatures of? I have about ÂŁ15 of pocket money to spend on minis. If you could help I would be really grateful! Thanks!
Also great video learning loads about the hobby!
ÂŁ15 isn't going to go very far with miniatures. Best thing to do with no budget is to spend some time and a tiny bit of money making paper mins.
@@ZEK.0 Check out printable heroes for paper minis! He has a lot of the classic monsters available.
I'm surprised that a fellow who lives in such tropical climes, knows so much aboot snow! You must read a lot of books! ;-)
You know Scott! Two best mini CZcamsrs know each other!?
"Ive only painted max 6 miniatures at the time, i dont know how 20 will be"
40k players: "Hold my chainsword".
yeah, those poor souls with 240 guardsmen
Unsolicited tip from someone with Shaky Hands. If you hold your mini with one hand and rest the other hand, holding the brush, on your palm your two hands shake together at the same rate allowing you more control. I do this and it's been working for me.
If you can do that and plant both your elbows on your table you'll find yourself really, really stable. My hands shake a bit too, and it's the only way I can paint any detail whatsoever.
wtf I never noticed this, thank you
Holding your breath can help as well. Though naturally hard to do when painting a lot of figures at once. Mainly use it when painting finer details.
I've done the same thing since late high school since an idiot teacher caused some serious damage to my arm,
I just have to touch my hands to each other in some way. Tip of the "pinky" of one hand touching any part of the other hand is enough.
The video and the minis turned out great. As far as learning goes, I prefer to see people making different choices and discussing the options as opposed to a step by step format with no explanation of why choices are made.
Yes.. struggle. It makes the rest of us mear mortals feel less intimidated
While the final video quality was highly polished, I appreciate how raw the âtutorialâ itself was. The struggles are so much more valuable than, âHow to paint minis in a perfect world, live from the unicorn ranch.â
"Quantity has a quality all of its own."
Thanks for not being another air brush tutorial. Some of is still can't afford one and it's nice to see some one do it the old fashioned way.
i too avoid air brushing.... one because I really don't need yet another tool taking up little room I have for storage and i don't want to learn a new skill....lol - paint and brush does me fine.... I have the time
Same here, I live in an apartment and an airbrush is would be a no-no. I can however go out to the field behind and spray prime when the weather allows it.
Man do I ever wanna dive into this game. These minis look mint brother keep it up
I watched this while painting 30 warhammer minis. Great video.
In regards to painting 20+ warriors;
Some 20 years ago (2001-2002) when the I.T bubble burst, painting models for W.A.B (Warhammer Ancient Battles) made my truck payment, credit cards and many other things until I was able to get a decent job.
I painted 28mm pewter Celts. Celts are individualized for the most part. Lots of plaid, different hair colors and I was doing something no one else was doing - tattoos.
I found that segregating a unit into 5 to 6 parts and focusing on shuffling the models into new parts after each block was the most effective way to paint a unit that was essentially individualized.
Each part (5 models or so) would get their own color of trousers then, reshuffle for each part getting their tunics painted then, reshuffle so on and so forth.
I'm not going to say it makes things faster but, it does change things up to keep one more engaged and having the "perception" of actually accomplishing things. lol
Now it's 2023 and I'm setting up a hobby room for hobby crafting and pianting miniatures and I'm going to attempt to see what I can do - starting with terrain.
My son as gotten my grandson into 40K recently and I want to setup a gaming area at my place.
Me eyes are not as keen as they once were and the techniques, figure material, paints, etc, have changed considerably since 2001. I've been only painting in recent years, to well... just get mini's on the table and play. Now, I'm about to go all serious once again.
I really appreciate some of those struggles with shaky hands. When I decided to have a farm years ago, the physical demands of carpentry and pounding endless T- Posts, is one reason I didn't really try to do quality work. Things are a little more relaxed now and the 'shaky hands' have subsided for me.
Thanks for the video!
You kept it real and it's a good video for those that are new to the hobby.
Currently painting over 50 ghouls for my Warhammer army haha!!!
You are half way to coming to the dark side!
Jokes aside great video as always!
Music was dope!
"I don't do complicated techniques when painting.... I am just making this paint really runny to tint the clothing." -> The complicated term for that is Glazing ;) haha. Ace results as usual man.
I like this kit. And I like your process. The struggles and indecision are real. You did amazing work on these. Good work!
Loving it!! The cultists have so much bad ass factor! đ€
Good job. The yellow 'n black reminds me of my Eldar guardians in my old school 90s Eldar army. Frostgrave is getting more appealing.
Showing success will inspire, sharing your mistakes will teach.
Fellow hand-shaker as well (and I'm an electrician). I really appreciated seeing the whole spectrum of the process, including a guy my age sitting there scrunched over a table thinking about how much his back hurts and how bored he is getting. I've done frostgrave gnolls and yuan-ti (eh snakemen), so thank you for letting me know that my process is normal.
I just finished my Zombicide boardgame, thatâs 75 miniatures, it was a tortuous 5 days. So I feel you. Cool job man, keep it up
I'm bout to start on zomb season 1.
Wow. Impressive
I know this was three years ago however my hands too shake and I put off building stuff because of it. Thanks for putting yourself out there. I feel better knowing that itâs ok.
I actually really enjoyed this "boring" video! Thanks!
Agreed, nothing boring about this video.
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The snow looks amazing, especially clumped up on the lower parts of the minis
Not borring! It's awesome, I really enjoyed watching it.
Those snow effects on the clothing are excellent.
I actually love this video, and Iâve watched it multiple times. Not boring for me, lol.
I painted all 63 zombies from Zombicide: Black Plague and it only cost my soul.
Fair price for 63 minis, no blood sacrifice?
As long as you like the end result, who cares what it took to get there. I have done some warbands using 4 colours and a wash or 2, and some I've used a lot more. Yours look awesome, my frostgrave necromancer is actually the old Mordheim possessed cultists. Sweet snow effect too, excellent work!
This is basically the personal hell I summit myself every week, glad to see I'm not the only masochist in the hobby (though not as good a painter as I wish to be). Great job! They look awesome.
General painting tip that may especially benefit those with the shakes.
Paint smaller areas first, the face and skin for example. If you make a mistake and paint fled onto clothes/armour then you can paint over it later. And you're less likely to make those mistakes when painting the larger areas.
If painting for display this is especially handy for eyes. Always easier to paint around the eyes than painting eyes in the middle of a finished face.
Very interesting, not boring to me. Striking figures that I wouldn't want to meet in a snow storm!
Shakey Hands! Make yourself a slanted board that slips onto the edge of your desk or table! Lean on the slanted board with your forearms while you paint! This has worked for me for years!
Music felt a bit like 80's vibe. Like it đ
Yeah, at the beginning I couldn't help but start singing "Funkytown"
I was thinking Men Without Hats - Safety Dance
I love the Hide/Flesh Shield but the guy holding it does look a bit like he's wearing Corncob Armor (at least pre-wash, still watching) :D
Eshin Grey is a GW color that is almost black it still allows a wash to darken the recesses but allows a lighter grey for highlights. It allows for painting robes or boots in the same way you have been doing stone.
this is my favorite vid of yours in a long time! the details came out pretty great i think, and this was super enjoyable. ty!
Really appreciate your note about having shakey hands. As I'm aging, I find that increasing to a notable level when I'm doing something like mini painting.
Also, in the early-mid 40's expect as some random point to see your minimum vision distance blow out quite a bit (happens over the span of just a couple months), so all those magnifying glasses I used to make fun of suddenly become invaluable.
My shaky hands may be shit but I'm very thankful to still have very good vision.
Hey I have pretty bad vision when It comes to small detail. I know you said your eyes were strained. I got an LED magnifying glass that's made for this stuff for 20 bucks. So worth it! My quality of paint has gotten so much better.
I, like many, find magnifying lamps to cause more harm than good because of how they screw up your depth perception.
It was a good and interesting video, especially for beginners who may be a bit more timid at trying out things without a solid plan. It shows great results can be done on-the-fly.
Former contractor/current woodworker and mini painter here. Try putting both elbows on the table, painting in front of your face. When the hands start shaking try just giving the piece of cork a slight squeeze with your fingers as well as the brush. helps me out. oh and hold your breath lol
One one my favorite video's from you so far. Those mini's turned out fantastic. Great Job. I bought some cultists a while back, but it was a small set of 4 or 5 mini's.
Using blue for highlighting black looks really good too
At the end you say this was probably one of your most boring videos. I have to disagree, dude. I've got a big miniature painting project coming up thats got me feeling pretty intimidated and just getting to relate to someone else's thought processes and technique is really helpful and definitely interesting. Thanks for putting this together. Great content as always
Not lengthy or boring. Great work
For shaky hands, I'll suggest using longer paint handles for your minis. This allows you to rest the heal of your painting hand on the handle and only move tips of your fingers when painting. FWIW, I like scrap bits of 1x2 lumber, but an appropriately sized dowel would also work if you like the roundness of the corks you're currently using.
Little dry brush of bleached bone works well after the washes. Gives that worn effects. Edge heights make things a little bubbly.
Good video, man. Just a quick suggestion about choosing colours when painting units/warbands. If you pick one mini out of the bunch that is representative of the rest of the unit and paint it up completely first, it will free you up to try different things. If you change your mind about your colour scheme you only have one mini to fix. Then paint the rest to match that first colour-test mini. In my experience this is a more direct, and therefore faster, approach.
For doing black easily, I've found that it works better to paint it a darker grey as a base, then use a black wash to darken it and give the deeper parts the actual black. It rarely needs a highlight and looks right.
Those came out fantastic! Wish i could snap my fingers to get through painting minis too!
I do love that this video was different from all your others. Vlogs aren't done enough when it comes to this sort of project. I appreciate you spent the time to do this and give us all your thoughts and processes. Really enjoying your videos and glad a friend recommended you to me.
Suggestions sir, I've ran into this as well:
I've learned to paint the faces 1st so if you make mistakes you can correct them fast: base coat , wash, highlights
Some say that's not right, but what is right? It's a process that you follow over and over to get better at what you are trying to accomplish.
Pointers and methods are what these videos are for, (not for everyone) , but an observation to someone else's look into the same result, to finish minis in a timely manner to allow more game play.
Because you are doing a black color for most of the mini you can paint it fast and take heed to take more care around the face using a #1 or #2 brush because black will cover over most colors it's a faster process imo. Highlight black with greys or muted dark blues/violet hues.
Hope that aids any way or to anyone . Have a great day and best of luck to your campaign look forward to more videos đ
I just did 20 some thing demons and struggle is a KIND word for my time at it!!!! GREAT tips and love to see others work though the challenges that come with this hobby:)!!!!
I combined the cultist box with the demon one (for the heavy armour) they look great, frostgrave minis are so simple and totally compatible with each other.
I love your opening!
This was fantastic! For all of us normal non-professional mini painters, seeing this sort of process is invaluable.
Also, as to # of colors used. Man your figs look great don't sweat. I used to work with a guy at GW who would use about 50 billion different colors for any given mini. We used to have heated discussions about the point in 1) having an extensive paint pallete to choose from (I think GW had 90+ paints on the rack) and 2) Employees were supposed to be able to teach anyone who walked in the door how to go from primed mini to table ready as efficiently as possible with an average of three colors per mini. (I won't rant, I will always hate GW after working for them). TL:DR It's your hobby, bud, do the thing that makes you happy.
I actually enjoyed the long format. I tend to listen watch longer vids/gameplay while painting to keep me in fantasy mode. But alot of creators are so short I spend more time selecting vids or music than painting.
I don't know if anyone mentioned it but you might try painting light to dark. It makes your life way easier when you have small fiddly light spots. Really like how these guys look. I may get a box of them for myself.
Great video, as you just don't show your process but also your thought process. Loved the music too. Keep up the good work.
I like seeing your process and progress!
Loving your Frostgrave vids! Thanks to you, I am now hoping to delve into Frostgrave!
It's definitely interesting you see other people's process when painting. I'm very much a novice, but I'm having fun finding my own way to paint my miniatures. I still have a long way to go, and I'm building up my paint collection as I go. But I do really enjoy figuring things out as I go.
Hello as a miniature paintress i find your band very nice. you can try to paint plaint white the minis and then use a soft tone to do the shadows. Because with that you can do a lot of whash whitout make everythink to dark .I think you could use some splash of red to individualize your band (blood on the blades on the uniform or a vibrant magic symbole). For the zombie you can add fluroescent green in the eyes it will make it more unatural and it's done with to dot of flashy color.
I am with you on the satin varnish too btw. I have had some terrible experiences with some matte varnishes that come out looking horribly frosted flake white looking. I always go with satin.
For those with trembling hands, using a magnifying glass helps enormously. It tricks you brain and let you be much more precise :-)
nice, more mini painting !
In seriousness though these look great. Normally Iâm not a fan of how most cultist look, but I gotta say, these have convinced me to pick up a box, mainly to give my D&d players some torment but I may just wind up using them for their intended purpose. Keep up the astounding work
This was really interesting. Really nice to see someone else's process, including the thoughts for why you chose the colors you chose, as well as a rough idea of just how long it took to finish painting the warband
Thank you for yet another solid, high-quality video. I can't express how important and valuable it is to show the actual process of doing a project like this rather than a polished "Do X...then Y....then Z....profit". Again and again, great thanks and appreciation.
Golgari Hat!! Suitable for a necromancer or someone dabbing into the crafting of black magic
The snow on their clothes looks really good!
A good way to lessen the impact of your washes is to mix it with medium. Thins the color so it shows less on the peaks and more in the crannies. GW has done some great table ready videos showing this technique recently!
I love the legion of cone head banana men before the wash. It could make a great shirt.
the final snow effect is genious!
I have been painting 12 Morannon orcs for a friend. I could do it in a few days but I prefer to space out the painting over a week because of drying time and sanity. Right now I am doing touch ups (because mistakes happen), and I found it best with the small areas I have to initially paint to be last, and having my hand on the desk to steady my aim (especially eyes....). Plus when I do touch ups its easier to start on the area I have painted, and slowly wiggly up to the edge of the touch up. My worst issue is when the brush ends up losing that perfect tip.....breaks my heart......and makes things more difficult.
The struggle is real. Rock on, man!
Thank you for mentioning the shakes, and nerve damage. I have this in my left hand and a little in my right from an upper back injury. Some days its worse then others. It sucks, but its nice to not feel alone. If its real bad I prop my wrist against the table or my chest to stabilize.
Also, working with paint and fine arts is my day job, a note on black. If you are not going to a true deep black, mix your black from any earth or red brown (like VGC Tinny Tin) with any deep or purple blue (like VGC Ultramarine Blue). You will usually get either a warm or cool black that you can actually see, and this will give you control of the shade of back you want. Only use true/carbon blacks for deepest shadows. Just a suggestion.
Thanks for the video :)
Great Video. Been watching a lot of your videos lately and love them. Great to see you taking up Frostgrave. It's a favourite of mine and it was a good excuse for me to start crafting. I just have a flat to live in with one room in the cellar for storage so getting 'heavy' machinery for cutting foam etc is not an option. But I'd still love to see more some of the scenario-specific frostgrave-builds (although I have mine already finished - at least for the basegame-scenarios). At the moment I am thinking about some harbour-scenes for 'Thaw of the Lichking'.
Personally enjoyed seeing the decision process and showing how you struggle, it helps us know we can get through it. Thanks a lot!!!
They look awesome!! Great minis and great terrain compliment each other so well. I love the Frostgrave plastic kits - you can mix and match bits from all the kits. Another great video (I'm partial to the ones you do on minis)!
They are really wonderful boxes. The fact that you can mix and match so easily between sets is great!
I get the shakes too... Respect!!!
I recently gathered all my Warhammer grots I picked up occasionally for low prices. 85 grots, 30 spider riders, a shaman, a giant and a loonboss. I have 30 ready but there are more to come...
Those models look great! I actually like the longer videos like this. It gives me something to listen to while I paint my own models. Keep up the great work!
Couple of thoughts, speaking too batch painting one thing I find is a big help is too start too finish a model in the batch before I start too find shortfalls in my paint scheme and help speed up the process. Also with GW shade pots I find it's a big help too blue tack the pot too the table saves in a great deal of cursing and lost shade.....
I think if it were a batch any larger it would be crazy not to do one or two test models first. This was still small enough to wing it, but would likely have been worthwhile to test.
The music in this video is groovy baby!
I really like you miniature painting videos. I'm still getting started in the craft and I find more advanced tutorials sooooo intimidating where as yours make me feel comfortable. I've learned a lot from watching you paint ( from mini prep to washes to green stuff etc.) and my miniature painting skills are getting noticeably better. So thank you for all your hard work. And I don't mind the longer video, I tend to have you and other creators playing in the background while I craft, I find it helps with my creativity. You've sort of unknowingly become my crafting buddy. I shall go now... I have a ninja toy to turn in a giant for next week's game.
I actually purchased the Cultist miniatures from Frostgrave when I was running Hoard of the Dragon Queen. It was something I thought made sense, I got a lot of great minis that I enjoyed assembling. It was the best I could do, I think I picked it up for like $20 at my local game store as it had been sitting on the shelf for like the longest time, not sure if it was discounted or not but it was definitely worth the purchase.
Know I'm late seeing this video, but thanks for doing this one.
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As you said for your games, in my D&D games I plan to run, I've been picking up groups of six or eight of different figures or monsters if the price is reasonable individually from eBay.
For individual identification, I was thinking of putting a dot of colour on the front edge of the base using the colours of the rainbow, plus white, giving you eight identifiers!
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Vallejo make a black grey. It can be used as a base then use a black wash over it to blend it in, or as a drybrush/highlight colour over straight black.
Great video man, first time posting but i have been subscribed for a while. As you were hitting the burn out stage on mass painting minis i would have skipped the varnish stage at the end; the reason and what i have done with my own frost grave war-band was to paint to table top standard. Once happy with the basics come back and concentrate on my core squad having settled on my my back bone retinue, then once happy with my core doing the varnishing. This meant i could come back and do all the fine detail work on a key small number of minis not stressing myself out, then games where i had replaced with fighters with better options i was only painting up a single mini between games. The small model count in the game coupled with D&D style progression allows it to be the great antidote to painting up war hammer style army's, coupled with the fun of painting up random monsters to use for the encounter table.
Nice work, as ever! I really like the look of the snow paste on the figures themselves; really ties them to their environment. Great Idea.
Great looking cultists. I tend to paint black by using a dark grey (Vallejo Charcoal or GW Eshin Grey) as the base and a black wash over it. This leaves some areas of highlight while looking close enough to black.
Would still really like to see some videos of games or a full campaign, I love Frostgrave. đ€
Excellent video and your cultists look cool - particularly like how the zombie is clearly just a recycled cultist đ
Those turned out really well. Fun video to watch as well, thanks for the insight into the trials and tribulations behind a large batch painting of units.
Quickshade would've been your best friend.
I prefer the look of the citadel washes personally.
Perfect timing for a fresh video to post this comment
Thank you Black Magic Craft, you've given me so many helpful tips from your videos which I binged and keep coming back to review over this past month of March. With your helpful tips I've used stuff I'd never thought of. I found 5 minute epoxy and Mod Podge at my local Walmart, and I was hurting for a good styrofoam varnish for the "Project Bricks" I got from Hobby Lobby (which is a really flexible and somewhat cheap for a fast styrofoam brick I'd recommend for people to experiment with) and the epoxy will be a great use for a water effect I was scratching my head to choose between all the varying water scenic stuff. But I'm hoping now to save up for a wire cutter to make my own XPF buildings for my local RPG scene
Quick question to anyone who can answer, once you break the seal for the two part epoxy and you let's say only use half of it, will you be able to store it for a later batch or once you open the two tubes you have to use them or they'll go bad?
If you are using it in the two chamber syringe like I get mine you can keep partial bottles. The trick is to pull back the depressor to make sure there is no epoxy mixing at the end. The two parts individually will not cure once open and partial tubes can last a very long time. Can't say how long, but I've had tubes sit half full for months and be fine.
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial yes it is! I couldn't find one at a generic dollar store, but I found a two cylinder Locitite epoxy over at Walmart. I was just worried since you basically have to cut/snap off the cap sealing the two separate syringes and didn't know if they would "dry out"
@@adriannaranjo4397 Nah, you are good. Some (mine) come with a plug for the tip, its usually a snap off thing somewhere on it. But it doesn't need to be airtight. It only cures by chemical reaction to the other part.
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial thanks again for all the helpful advice and videos, keep up the good work!
Great video. I think my favorite model is the apprentice for his stance and hood that makes him look like a witch. I would prefer the different models to have more differences than just the symbol, but that is entirely a personal preference and, like you said, when time is a factor you have to make hard decisions. Overall, the paint job looks good; far better than I could even do.
I have to say, i'm diggin' the tunes every video
great video.... I am going through a similar thing as I am painting my Frostgrave Crewmen. (bought them for a pirate campaign for D&D) one day i will play frostgrave but this is a great way for me to break into the construct minis realm - I am doing 5 at a time... there are 20 to do so far I have finished 5, constructed, prepped and primed 5 the rest are still on the sprigs but all cleaned up so there are no release residues on them.
For painting black clothes, I usually use Citadel's Hideous Blue as a light highlight on the edges as raised areas, just like black would do in strong sunlight...
I just started doing minis and I enjoyed this longer video. I'm running a sci-fi 5e game in two weeks and will also be using some large group mini boxes. Time and effort has become a little more clear