My Best Short Field Landing Tips - MzeroA Flight Training
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If there was one maneuver that puts pilots on the edge of their seat during a checkride it's short field landings. You've selected your point. You can't land even an inch in front of it and have + or - 200 to 100ft past your point depending on the certificate you're pursuing.
Let me share with you some of my best tips for making GREAT short field landings every time.
Being a student pilot, I checked runway dimensions. I believe you meant to say the centerline stripe is 120' long with 80 feet between stripes making it 200' from beginning of one stripe to the beginning of the next stripe.
You are correct, and it applies to all public airports in the USA. There is a manual somewhere with details regarding the exact markings on runways, when and where certain marks are needed and what the length and width needs to be. If the runway is not evenly divided into 200ft segments then the odd length stripe[s] will be at the mid point which keeps everything tidy in the touchdown zones.
Thank you! with hundreds of landings and still not great they are only safe, this helps very much. Sometimes I feel I will never be ready for my PPI
Over many years I have flown with many instructors. Not one of them ever taught me some of the things you show here. So whatever others wish to call it, great video.
Great approach and touchdown! However, for those looking to perfect this maneuver to PTS you should retract the flaps immediately after touchdown and SIMULATE heavy braking for the minimum landing roll out.
Minor point here:
Just heard one thing that sounded inaccurate here and thought I would point it out for the benefit of the community at large. At 4:19 you said that the center-line was 80' long with 20 feet between them. I had always heard that standard was 120 feet long with 80 feet between. So I dug out the references and found it.
According to faa.gov 's pdf Titled "Airfield Standards" a quick reference, "Centerlines are 120' long" it also points out that the width varies based on the width of the runway and that Note: 1 points out that there are 80' between centerlines. This means that from the start of one Centerline to the start of the next is 200'
-just got my CFI and looking forward to what I will learn next. Thanks for the video.
The narrator is just out for subscriptions, like SO MANY of these webbers today! He is NOT a competent FI so ignore his video and jabber!
@@MJLeger-yj1ww Agreed, Mild Maneuvering Maggot teaching how to be one of those. See Fly8Ma videos and others..
Of all the things wrong in this video THAT is what you picked up on? lol
@@robajohnson This tyro needs to go back to flying school! He thinks he knows it all! Runways are different EVERYWHERE and you need to know every facet of landing there, the runway, the terrain around it, etc. BEFORE going there!
@@MJLeger-yj1ww on a short field Landing you sure as heck need to touch down before the thousand foot marker. Lol
My tip for short fields is cross the threshold at 61, hold the nose a bit up, hold that picture then brace for impact. Not trying to make it pretty just trying not to run off the end of the runway heh
4:58...some guy is walking down the edge of the runway on the right of the screen. Only in Florida
Hi,
Once again, nice quality video!
I think it's worth reminding pilots to look at the POH for the airplane you're flying. It has the details of the procedure for your plane.
In general, a SHORT field landing has minimal float and should set down firmly with immediate flap retraction, yoke in your lap and maximum braking applied (without skidding/sliding the wheels), all to reduce ground roll.
Specifically, in the case of the C-172, check the book and see if you can get it slower than you did on final This would reduce the float and ground roll.
You can fly a slightly wider pattern to give yourself more time to work out the best glide path on final. Use power to control altitude (if you're a bit low, add a little power) and pitch to control airspeed (if you're a bit slow, put the nose down, etc.) .
A SHORT field landing (even when simulated) isn't complete until the plane is stopped. So, practicing WITHOUT completing the maneuver is not ideal. If your procedure is well-defined, it only takes a little practice to get proficient. But, you need to do the SAME procedure each time.
Thanks for sharing!
Steve
I have found these videos through my local flight training center and am enjoying them, they are very helpful and informative. Thank you for taking the time and making them.
thanks for sharing!
if there are definitely no obstacles on approach I would come in low with lots of flap and power on right on the drag curve then when crossing thresh hold at about 5ft off the ground cut power and let it sink landing with yoke fully back.
Seems to me like you're teaching "precision landings" rather than "short field landings." A short field landing is all about the approach, which you pretty much neglected. You're teaching students to aim prior to the touch down point so once they flare they can float to the actual touch down point. A short field landing shouldn't have any floating in the flare. If you're floating it means you're carrying extra/unnecessary airspeed, resulting in a longer landing role. I'd suggest emphasizing a steeper than normal approach, a slower than normal airspeed, a firm touch down with no floating, maximum braking, and flap retraction (depending on the plane). Think about the entire purpose of the short field technique, rather than getting the plane to touch down where you want it.
Terrance Sheehan Yes sir! You said it just right.
+Terrance Sheehan EXACTLY what you pointed out. This vid of a "short field landing" was extremely misleading. The author of the vid made NO mention of the final approach speed, or flap settings etc. I just unsubscribed to this channel.
+Terrance Sheehan spot on man, I was thinking the same thing!
+Terrance Sheehan Exactly sir, but i do it a little bit differently, I teach my students to perform their approach a little bit shallower (without abstacles) keeping lower airspeed, and maintaining higher RPM. Airstream from the propellers provide extra lift, so as soon as they cut the power before touchdown, they aircraft "drops" and they can apply brakes right away. It requires a littlebit more experience with that particular aicraft, but i think this is the most effective technique (without obstacles).
My approach is steeper, not more shallow, with full flaps. You come in shallow for a short field and you're looking for trouble. Cessna skyhawk, with only one prop (no "propellers") and doesn't require "more experience". Concentration is on the "numbers" and it works every time. Its simply the way its done.
Holy crap no lie I think i just heard my CFI at 1:13 correcting a radio call for his student at that airfield. Didn't realize you were in Florida
It's always good to remember to pull the yoke all the way aft and flaps up right after front wheel touch the ground, it helps with the break.
My checkride is in two days and I’m dreading the short field and soft-field landings
How’d it go?
Love your videos and tips. But gotta say I totally agree with the comments immediately below. Short field s/b full flap, min approach speed, and and get her down, stick it, and stop it - that means full flap approach, no float (not aiming for pretty), flaps up on touch down, and firm breaking. And you didn't account for a 50' obstacle. Well, like you said a good pilot is always learning. Lets see a proper short field obstacle landing video.
i love watching your videos, you have such energy when u speak, really good at what u do, this particular is like im the watching the final seconds of a basketball game, well done, keep the good work going, im already signed up ofc...
Great landing tip video!
Impressive that you've got that nose wheel right on the center line!
Looks your right side door is not closed tight there though...
You see more than me Steve lol nice that we're watching the same videos tho lol
BR-aviation Haha, yeah, that's me - always looking for the details :)
Yea I've been browsing as well! Just started soloing and need to practice more on my short field take off as landing!
At what time in the video does the door look like it is open
. Thanks
I've been in some older Cessnas where they simply don't shut flush with the body anymore, but still are secured by the locking pin and are closed as much as humanly possible.
I really love watching your videos:) you do a great job articulating the information, and for the entertainment factor you look, sound, and talk like fix it Felix from the cartoon “wreck it Ralph” even my kids watch you
Am learning Jason. Tommy from Jamaica. A good pilot is always learning.
Great video Jason. Have been wanting to take lessons for quite a while & due to work & 'life', I'm just now getting around to it. The airplane I'll be training in is based on a grass landing strip so I think this is good info....even though the grass isn't painted. Always enjoy watching your videos. Showed them to my CFI who is an A330 piloy for a major carrier & he said that you're teaching good stuff. Keep it up!
The camera angle makes these landings videos seem normal. My CFI keeps making me land with 40 degrees of flaps, steep descents. Says that if I can nail those, then regular landings will be a breeze. Feels like I'm going to fly into the numbers every time.
Flaps, braking, yoke pressure??
the only thing i struggle with is not to veer left upon touchdown for any landing. short field landings are relativity easy for me, no flap landings are not (though i dont think ill have to do those on my checkride)
great video. im watching tons of these as i get closer to my finish!
Nice going to my check ride soon
The left side of your cowling is fluttering. You might want to get that looked at so you don’t lose it in flight.
Great training. Just found your videos.Took up flying again and your teaching is on the money. Thanks
Kt H Kt H Thank you my friend! Have you seen our updated version of this video? czcams.com/video/Cs7sQPg4NjU/video.html
No.Im old school.I can fly and airplane no problem.Gtn 650 killing me.Use to analog. I'm 64 haven't flown for years. Thought I would be signed off in 10hrs.Glass is killing.You have any Garmin videos. Been watching all your training videos. Great stuff. ..
a bit more advanced and depending on the aircraft type to come in over a 50 ft object and land short on a grass farm strip I find best to bang down max flap then sideslip in if you stay tight and make your turn over the object and with the wing low apply lots of top rudder, big word of caution watch your sink rate it will be extremely high, and watch your air speed , (it also may not record correctly as the air flow may be across the pitot tube) be sure to return to balanced flight as soon as you are comfortable getting into the field. short field is most likely to be either an unlicenced farm strip with grass or an emergency, so stay tight to the field makes sense so you can look at the surface and surround. why would you need to short field on 2000 mtrs of tarmac. I suggest teaching the aiming point relating to an area of paint is not real world and when the student really needs it he will not have the aiming point you teach. If on unknown terrain, the a fully rounded out landing with a light touch of the brakes may be better unless needed
Jason. Do you use trim to help control airspeed in pattern? I have good landings but have trouble maintaining fixed airspeeds in pattern.
Big fan here.Love you videos man. But 0:41, didn't someone forget to close the door;)
Love the videos. Please keep making them.
Jason great vid. Thanks for all you are doing to help new pilots. I know making these videos are a lot of work. What are you using to display your ASI on the video? I am about to try out dashware for some of my UAV stuff, but was unsure how you captured that telemetry data.
Apparently everybody has their own technique. Stable slow final. Pick a point to touch down, and touch down at or as close beyond the aim point. With my 175 (yes, there was such a model) i could touch down within 50 feet almost every time. The secret is to have a stable final approach speed. And one more thing: fly yourself. Don't be an "airplane driver" flying mechanically by the numbers only. If you become one with the airplane, any type of approach becomes second nature.
There are a couple odd things going on here... looks like your door is open, then you appear to be landing with 10 or 20 degrees of flaps when in order to clear that FAA tree at the end of the runway you're supposed to come in at a high angle at low airspeed (-> max flaps), and no mentioning of braking or flaps up after landing. Also, to my knowledge center stripes are standard 120' long, not 80'.
Why did you say nine not inner? Checkride in two days and your videos have helped!
Great tips! Thanks Jason.
Very nice tip!
Liked the video.
Cool normal landing. I didn't see any short-field landing.
aaron8862006 Lol agreed.
He should have been down and stopped in a172 before his wheels ever touched the ground!
According to the test standard this is a short field landing.
4:58, right side of the screen. Some random guy just walking along the side of the runway. You know, no biggie... 😂
Hey I enjoyed ur video it was helpfull for me I'm a ppl student having problems with landing can u help me with some tips for a perfect landing ?
Hey Jason,
I'm getting ready for my check ride coming up in a week, and one thing I really need to hammer down on is my short field landings. My instructor says that the best way to do a short field landing is to fly roughly 100ft above a 50 ft obstacle when over the threshold (for this example, I was aiming for 1000ft down the runway, and airport altitude is about 960 MSL. ) So I was told to fly 1100 MSL over the threshold, pull the power out, and then slip the airplane down and into ground effect, and even then keep it in for a little bit before bringing it around and flaring immediately. I don't know if this is a standard practice, but this is the only time I've heard of doing this for a short field landing. It's also kinda disconcerting to be slipping so low to the ground, but I think that's just a personal barrier to get over. Do you agree with the procedure, and why/why not? I'm just curious as to what you have to say about it.
Jason
Love you man! Lol. Love the videos! I'm always trying to make myself a better pilot. These videos always help shine some extra light. Cheers! Happy tailwinds.
Chad
Actually ,on stage 3 first check ,I fail because I overflow .though it is gently touchdown ,but I am not within the standard,like you,sir.
And a steeper approach too!!
Short field landing is not done after you touched down the runway. You have to stop the aircraft at shortest rage. However, you don't mention about maximum braking and aerodynamic brake.
Where is that flap retraction on touchdown bro?
Maggot CFI..
Jason, I got confused on this video. Did you aim to touch down on the numbers, or you aimed at the numbers to touch down about 200 ft beyond the aimed point?
I need to do short field landing for the checkride. I was told the examiner will ask me to touch down on the numbers. So, shouldn't I aim before the numbers (in my case, it will be aiming at the bottom of the threshold, end of pavement) to touch down on the numbers?
Thank you.
looked to me a normal landing. if the field was short......40 degrees flaps and you would have no choice the plane is coming down very short no time to think about a circle on the windshield.
John Smith was just a normal landing. He didn't follow any short field recommendation. And he flew hundreds of feet past the threshold
Great video.
So good approach tips but what about the other steps in a short field landing ( full flaps, full braking, flaps up on touchdown). You should probably go over the steps aswell. Otherwise good video
Thank you ! Your videos are awesome !
Flying a Cessna 182 and would like some tips on shortfield landings
What type of mount did you use on horiz stab and wing? Just two suction cup mounts? Didn't know if that would affect performance if it's suction cupped right on the horiz stab...
See more landing videos. Thanks Rob
why do you use your left hand to push the mic button and not the right one?
when you fly right seat your right hand is on the yoke so your left hand is free to operate the throttle. If you cant let go of the yoke, then you have to use your left hand for the mic button
2mo i will try out this aiming point technique
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
I don't struggle with landings because i'm going to redbird. :) Great video though.
Thank you for sharing
What is your filming set up? how do you strap your cameras outside your plane?
Great instruction, Well done and simply explained.
Good landing but you still flew hundreds of feet past the 23 before touchdown
Hi Jason! I've been away from flying for some time. Received my Private Pilot's certificate back in 1988. Flew till 1992 and not again until 2009. I desperately want to get back in the air but a little intimidated with all the changes. Mostly in the navigation department. I know very little about the 430 or G1000. Any suggestions on how I should get up to date?
What if the runway has no centerline more of a marram dusty one
Jason, is your passenger door open??
I would like help on my short and soft field landings. Prepping for my check ride and I'm being held up here.
Are you based in Ocala? If you were i would like to do a pre-checkride flight with you, is that possible?
Can i ask a question?I am studying for the short field take off.And my instructor said after 300ft AGL on final,he will descend lower than normal glide path.But when i look the PHAK,it is not the same to what my instructor said.I stiil confuse about if it is right to be lower than the normal glide path.I will appreciate if you could give me answer.Thank you in advance!
Why are you indicating airspeed in mph? Would be a lot more helpful, especially for PPL students, the be seeing this in KIAS
MzeroA Flight Training Hi, I am currently getting my private pilots license, I plan on doing my check ride and oral next month, do you have any information that could benefit my on my landings and any other skill or information needed to know.
Thanks.....Dallas Walker
Could you talk about ADF please
just asking what people use a Short Field landing. i would say it is because of a short runway 1500 to 2300 ft runway. plus it seems like most Short Field landings are for Grass short Field Landings. just saying . or Trees are in the way as you drop in for a short field landing.
Ronald Palmer Short field landings are used for landing in a short distance. e.g. a short runway or a short remote grass strip. it's whole purpose is to stop as soon as possible while clearing a 50 foot obstacle.
Why do you always sit in the right seat in your videos?
Why are you always in the right seat when all of the gauges are on the left. I'm 13 and starting to learn to fly, is there any perks to the right seat. Thank you.
+jjd228 well that more sense, thank you.
So when you gonna do a short field landing???
HotRod Ray Ya that was a good normal landing. Literally nothing short about it though.
Hey jason
Could you suggest me a good flying school in south africa?😊
your right door didn't seem locked well
how do you put the camera outside?
what airport where you flying from ICAO code??
this guy is the human mickey mouse
Centerline stripe 80 ft long with 20 ft gaps? According to FAA standards, they are 120 ft long with 80 ft gaps (www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/150_5340_1l.pdf). Adjustments are made to the stripes in the middle of the runway as needed to fit. So the calculations used for landing distances beyond a specified point are way off. I.e. for the PVT Short Field landing, the landing should not be more than one centerline stripe beyond the specified point, not two. Speeds used in the video were high and the float looked pretty long for a short-field landing - may be due to the aforementioned miscalculation which means the landing would not be within checkride standards. Runway edge lights may be a simpler way to measure - they are 200 ft apart.
where was the immediate flap retraciton, aerodynamic braking, and brake pressure on landing? I think you should have emphasized flying a higher than normal approach and using the chop and drop technique to get over the obstacles. I don't think this is a good way to teach your students to fly a shallow approach like that and not to even show the proper techniques. seemed like more of a power off 180 landing to me, definitely not short field
200ft.. Somehow I think that standard is way too low.
MzeroA Flight Training, I believe your door was open.
Everyone is wasting their time complaining about how he missed steps and did complete the maneuver. The title clearly says, "my best short field landing tips"
If he did a full video of how to do it, then he wouldn't be teaching much to his students in the actual aircraft. Thus business is lost as well. He's just giving tips. Give him a break!
He shouldn't be anyway! Not an adequate FI! He omitted some extremely important aspects of landing and should NOT be making these videos until he becomes a competent pilot, which he obviously is not.
@@MJLeger-yj1ww -- Always teaching Mild Maneuvering on a mild airplane.. Making Mild Maggot pilots..
this works for 737?
What about a short field landing over a 50ft obstical?
NOOOO.. That is difficult to do...NOOOO...
Is that door open? lol
@R Diaz It is good practice IN AN EMERGENCY landing, to crack your door so that you can get out if the landing sours, especially if you have quite a bit of fuel aboard, because the aircraft could catch on fire and if the door jambs on landing, you may be in trouble. But for general purposes, NO!
John, some CFI's teach a student pilot to crack the door before landing, because if they crash, metal is crumpled and you may not be able to get out before the av-gas erupts into flames! A good pilot KNOWS if he has trouble and is going to crash, THEN crack the door, otherwise leave it alone.
How can l figure out longitude and latitude position of an airport?
+Aben Lagoan afd, airport facility directory. or charts and pinpointing them yourself
hummmm your door was open!
I wondered about that. I guess the camera man didn't close it behind him. :)
Please send me more information. This s good stuff, thank you
Hey,friend！Could u please teach us how to fly a perfect pattern and perfect shortfield landing in PIPER seminole？
best compliments...
Is it me or was the right door open??
I was wondering that too
Yes that's open
Are you flying a c172 or a 150 ??
It's a 152
+Tomas Hez It's definitely a 172
+Tomas Hez It's a 172L, look up the registration
+vilaukirin REG says 172
can you guys not see the back seats in the A/C at 1:10 ? 150 nor 152 has backseats... thats a 172.
Do you have a short field landing with a 50 foot obstacle?
You obviously know how to fly the airplane, but you need to slow your rate of speech a bit to increase intelligibility. Clarity is essential to communication. You already know what you are saying but to others listening it is new info that needs to be assimilated. Secondly, there is nothing secret about how to make the desired landing. It's the standard that has been taught for years. As others have noted, that was not a short-field landing. Any student needs clarity, not confusion. If you are going to style yourself as a professional, please get it right.
You should be aiming for the 2nd center line regardless :p
bro your door is open 2:17
Thanks for watching!
he did it in case he loses his prop to immediately jump out
This is not a short field landing.. Its a normal landing.. Itss BS.
Avoiding teaching over an obstacle and avoiding using a real short runway for that easy to land C172. Anyone can land a c172 from 63 mph approach. That is an easy normal landing... An easy landing with easy airplane, on easy runway with easy winds. An easy to pass CFI.. Make you easy to crash when things are not that easy..
who has a private fucking airplane? awsome
Either it is rented or he bought it, A Cessna 172 is about 35,000 dollars
about the same price as a new car. Many people could afford an airplane