Absolutely love Halloween II. I saw it in theatres in 1981 and yes, the reveal that Laurie was Michael’s sister was just as shocking to us in those days as Darth Vader being Luke’s father. (At that time in movie history, that twist had not happened very much, so it still had impact.). Jamie Lee Curtis wanted to stop making horror movies and pursue other films, and only returned for this sequel as a favor to Carpenter and on the condition that her role be smaller than the first film. This explains why she spends so much of the film alone in a hospital room or asleep. People today who watch H2 for the first time constantly criticize this aspect as a fault of the film when, in fact, it was a requirement for her to return at all.
My son was born about a week before Halloween. Being in the hospital that time of year made me think of Myers. Once I took a wrong turn going to see him and ended up in the basement. Had an eye open for Michael down there. Lol
Yes. It connects to what the sheriff tells Loomis when they first meet -- his main job on Halloween is to keep the tricks played on the population down. That's why Brackett thinks the hardware store break-in is just another trick he'll have to deal with that night. The population has also been dealing with the kids all playing tricks. It's why Laurie and Bob keep thinking their friends are pulling pranks. Myers merely takes advantage of it
Yes, It was a huge shocker with the audience when they revealed laurie was myers sister. I saw it in the theater with my dad back in 1981. They also cheered when Loomis shot the window out to turn the car around back to the hospital..
I love reading comments from people that saw something like this in theaters. I wish I were there to see everyone’s response. Thankfully there some 80s film that I got to see for myself in theaters as a boy
The Ben Tramer scene is hilarious, the exploding van makes it feel like a classic Simpsons gag. Like, wtf would that cop have done if Ben wasn’t crossing the street? Was he just going to slam into that van going 90mph regardless?? Lol
OH MY GOD! You are so right about the ending relating to the previous mention of sacrificial fires on Samhain. I have been watching this movie for almost FORTY years and this never occurred to me. I'm so glad I found your channel lol. That was an incredible bit of insight. Right on! 😀👍
This was originally suppose to be the end of those character story, the next film is a stand-alone story. They intended it to be an anthology series from 3 onward with different Halloween stories. But people complained and they brought Michael Back.
Yeah, I actually really like the 3rd one and never understood how so many people not only complained but even disliked it only because it has no Michael in it. As it is on its own it is very well made across the board and has a dark theme involving kids as victims which is cool and different.
The dream sequence where Laurie sees a young Michael sitting in a chair and turning his head towards her was inspired by an actual incident that happened to John Carpenter when he was a student at Western Kentucky University. His class visited a psychiatric hospital and Carpenter wandered away from the group to look into a room with an open door. Inside he saw a young boy sitting in a chair just staring out of a window, not moving or speaking. Suddenly, as if the boy sensed he was being watched, he turned and stared and Carpenter, and Carpenter was creeped out by the boy's expression, saying that the boy had "a look of schizophrenia; a look of madness."
3:02 I used to travel back and forth through the REAL SMITH’s GROVE in KY and got a slight chill when I saw the sign at night. Near where Carpenter grew up.
LOVE that Eraserhead t-shirt!! ❤️ I know it’s not considered canon anymore but I’ll always have a soft spot in my heart for this sequel; it was always on cable TV incessantly when I was a kid around Halloween in the late ‘80s/early ‘90s (especially on USA Network - with the excised footage put back in), so I’ve seen it tons. Plus Carpenter had a hand in it.
Jamie Lee Curtis was wearing a bad wig, this point she had already started going for a different look like we saw in The Fog. Having it all take place the same night was an inspired choice because it ratchets up the tension almost immediately knowing Michael is nearby. I am very excited for Halloween III as it is my favorite of the franchise!
She'd gone short-haired by this time having cut it for Road Games (1981) and the TV movie She's in the Army Now (1981), both filmed in 1980. Halloween ll however was filmed same year as its release, guess she still wore it shorter then.
@@ScaredPale They also filmed an extra 10 minutes during the filming of Halloween II for the TV version of Halloween for its TV debut on NBC in 1981 which is also up on CZcams. Back when Commercials didn't rule the airwaves.
@@ScaredPale apparently jimmy is jamie loyld ( strode),s father from halloween 4, Laurie why did you leave jamie in haddonfield and fake your death 🙊 them myers family are prone to a car crash from time to time 🙈
Notice how Michael Myers looks different? The original guy was taller with a long thin face and big nose and this guy has a rounder face that makes the mask look totally different.
That's because Nick Castle played Michael Myers in the first movie, but in this movie Michael was played by stuntman and long time John Carpenter collaborator Dick Warlock, who was Kurt Russell's stuntman in Escape From New York.
@@mem1701movies Yep, Nick Castle played Michael Myers in the first Halloween, but he I assume he was busy co-writing Escape From New York with John Carpenter when Halloween II was being made, so Kurt Russell's stunt double, Dick Warlock, played Michael in Halloween II. I'm not sure if that was Nick Castle's only reason for not appearing in the sequel. He did come back for the 2018 Halloween, though.
21:58, there is a TV cut version of the movie that released in 1985 on NBC, where the US Marshal gets stabbed in the chest rather than having his throat cut. And the Paramedic, Jimmy survived, and happily reunites with Laurie, giving the audience what they wanted: an ending with the two characters surviving.
I believe that sequence show Michel cover himself from the shot of Loomis with the marshalls body- Loomis was the one who kill the marshall with gun shot. But Carpenter didn´t like it and filmed the sequence we know in the teatrical version
Doctor Dementia's Halloween horror movie marathon is a recurring theme throughout the two Halloween movies, beginning with The Thing and Forbidden Planet in the first film, and continuing with Night of the Living Dead in this one.
I absolutely adore H'81 even tho it's hated more now that we have H2018 🤣 in a deleted scene/extended cut, Jimmy survived and was in the Ambulance with Laurie at the end 🥺 sad that they never used it in Theatrical Cut 🥺
There are some continuity errors at the beginning of this movie. At the end of the first movie, Dr. Loomis shoots Michael, knocking him off the bedroom balcony and onto the grass on the side of the house, but at the start of this movie, Michael is seen falling out of a window at the front of the house above the porch and lands on the front lawn. Also, Dr. Loomis fires six shots from a .38 revolver in the first movie: one shot in the hallway that knocks Michael into the bedroom, and five more that knock him off the bedroom balcony. Yet, when Loomis shoots at Michael at the beginning of this movie, a total of seven shots can be heard... from a six shot revolver.
His mask looks different, as well as Jamie Lee Curtis wearing a wig that looks different. I like to think of it as an alternate reality, like the other films, except the last one a few years back. Also, apart from the recent 2018 film and the upcoming sequels to it, all the others except the original 1978 film, ARE now a different timeline. This now obviously also includes this film, and explains those continuity differences.
@@peterlenham6904 It's actually the exact same mask from the first one, just a little dirtier. Debra Hill had the original mask stored away in a drawer in her home, never imagining that they'd have to use it again, which is why it looks a little worn out. I actually like everything else about Halloween II other than that sister thing. It's the only Halloween sequel that feels like it has the DNA of the original.
Also this is fairly typical of a rural hospital even now. I used to work in a town where the only reason the hospital in town was still there was the two factories that were in town. They pretty much paid the hospital not to close. There was a bigger hospital within about 12 miles. The closest hospital to me now is 30 miles and it doesn't really do anything complicated so not many people are there overnight.
Glad to see somebody is watching all of them. Just keep in mind that 7/H20 is a direct sequel to 2 (so 4-6 never happened) and 2018 is a direct sequel to the original only :) also, the Rob Zombie films (director’s cuts) are far better than people give them credit for lol
Jaime Lee Curtis aka Laurie Strode looks different cuz the actress is wearing a hair wig,she had cut shorter hair cuz she had filmed a different unrelated movie that same year
One mistake that director Rick Rosenthal makes in this movie is that in several scenes you can see Michael Myers' eyes through the mask. John Carpenter was very careful in the first film to never let the audience see Michael's eyes through the eyeholes in the mask, so that they'd look like two black, empty spaces.
I spent 15 nights in the hospital and late at night they would reduce some lighting and there wasn't many ppl on the floor, the E.R. part of the hospital didn't have access to the main part of the hospital late at night unless they were brought into the back. After visiting hrs when most patients are asleep it can get pretty empty
In the 1st film Michael is played by 4 different people, including Debra Hill for 2 shots 😂😂 but 90% was Nick Castle, Tony Moran played unmasked Michael at the end
I love how well-made this movie was. I actually like the news reporter scenes and how the town reacted to the Myers' house. I'm not from a small town but given the description of the town, that scene looked and felt believable how they would want to trash the house. There are two things that stop this from being "better" from very good to amazing. I still don't get why they needed the "reveal"of how they're siblings. It goes against Michael's character. It was scarier if they played out the natural progression of how he was infatuated and amused with her since she dropped off the keys at his place. He made her a challenge so to speak. Halloween 2 should have just continued to just have Laurie as the "one that got away" and that his game wasn't over. Plus, I really wanted them to do more with that razor blade in mouth kid. Perhaps have Laurie be a roommate with the kid/take care of him???? They just did nothing with that character and wasn't needed. Everything else was great.
Yes. After Halloween II, John Carpenter didn't want to tell another Michael Myers story (he didn't even really wanna do Halloween II), so he tried turning the franchise into an anthology series like The Twilight Zone. But everyone wanted more Michael Myers, so Halloween III received lots of really negative criticism for not involving Myers. The film has received a more positive critical re-evalution over the years and even earned a cult following. But there's still a large contingent of people who have a fiery eternal grudge against Halloween III for not being a Michael Myers story even though there are now about a dozen Myers sequels, reboots, and remakes, several of them being absolutely terrible and prime examples of how stale and repetitive the franchise became by rehashing the Myers story again and again. At least Halloween III tried to do something different.
@@glennwelsh9784 yeah look at how it evolved now the franchise I was wondering why he wasn't in part 3 maybe the first two movies just didn't do well enough
I believe the original intent was to make it an anthology, but the studio wanted more Michael. I believe this is why Carpenter "killed" Mikey at the end, so they'd have no choice but let him do the anthology next time.
@@mattschliemann9683 yeah they were going to take a different route with it but after the third one everybody bitched and complained and they wanted Michael back they didn't think he was going to be such a phenomenon that he is today so they brought him back but yeah they were right because after the second movie they were like yeah we're not going to be using this mask anymore and what not and that's why the masked never was preserved
@@mattschliemann9683 yeah I watched the whole back story about it cuz I was wondering why he wasn't in the third one and I found out when I saw the history of you know the making of Halloween and the Mastiff take very long to produce took him like 45 minutes it was on a low budget this and that but they had no idea it was going to blow up to what it is today they had no idea when they were making the movie
In the original ending Laurie was supposed to have one last jumpscare when Jimmy is revealed with a bandage on his head in the back of the ambulance with her. Thus Jimmy is alive, he's just on the cutting room floor. I actually prefer that happier ending in my heart but probably know it wouldn't let the film end on the right tone, too happy an ending for a horror movie.
The hospital is now a VA hospital and the representative from Shout Video, wasn’t allowed on the property. As in the first film, the town of Haddonfield was actually near Hollywood. Dick Warlock played Michael this time and he also played the cop that hit Bennet Tramer. There’s a few deleted scenes: the news lady that was talking to actor Dana Carvey, is killed by Michael, while he was enroute to the hospital. The other deleted scene was shown on the television version. While in the ambulance at the end of the movie, Laurie is startled by Jimmy and is glad to see him alive. The idea of having Laurie and Michael as siblings, was added at the last minute in this sequel. Something that was never intended by John Carpenter. This was originally intended to be the final story involving Michael and company. Halloween III is a standalone film, because it was supposed to be a yearly anthology similar to Twilight Zone.
Glad to see someone reacting to all the Halloween's! My favorite of the choose your own adventure time lines is the 78 original, this sequel and Halloween H20.
"If you can scream and be frightened in a theater in safety... you come out in the real world and sleep peacefully... you've had a catharsis. You've had an experience that's made you a little bit better." -Dir. John Carpenter
The scene at the end where Laurie shoots out Michael's eye sockets is precisely the reason why all of the Halloween sequels in the late 80s and 1990s made no sense... because Michael's got no damn eyeballs anymore. Not to mention after the explosion, his body would've been burned to the point where his muscles would be useless.
Awesome Video. So glad you decided to continue with these Halloween Movies. 🎃 I've seen a few people do reaction videos to Halloween 2, and you are the only one who noticed, Ben Tramer was mentioned in the first Movie, and Nancy was also the Nurse from the first. Yes, Laurie was wearing a wig, because they wanted her to look like Laurie from the first. I love this sequel. In the alternative ending, made for TV, you see Jimmy alive in the Ambulance, but this one you don't know. 🤔😀😎👍
Probably my favourite sequel but the original 1978 remains THE best Halloween movie to me personally, cool fact about the hot tub kills is that the dude who played Myers in this movie (Richard Warlock) is also a professional stuntman so when he garrotted the dude he said ‘arch your shoulders back for the first 3 tugs and then on the final pull go back as far as you can and then go completely limp and I’ll cushion your fall’ and to the girl he said ‘whenever you are ready to either be dunked or to be pulled back up just apply pressure onto my palm using the back of your head and I’ll do the rest’ that to me is the sign of a true professional, Richard Warlock along with Nick Castle (the original actor to play Myers) and James Jude Courtney (the latest actor and stuntman to play him starting with the 2018 movie) are for me THE three best actors to play the character
I did watch John Carpenter’s HALLOWEEN on its first network television premiere on TV in October of 1981 as a 6 year old boy and we did see 1981’s HALLOWEEN II in theaters that same month and year. I do tend to watch 1981’s HALLOWEEN II a lot more than the first movie, although I do love John Carpenter’s HALLOWEEN. It’s just I gravitate towards the second movie a lot more when I want to watch any of the HALLOWEEN movies.
Yayyyyy this ones awesome. The whole movie is awesome but overall the first half I think is the best compared later as it goes on lol. Very cool to pick up where last left off lol. The body print on grass was funny lol. Plus if you remember last one where he fell there was no grass lol. This whole beginning with him walking around is awesome lol. Love how he glides lol. Better than by the end he's walking down stairs without looking down lol. He moves so slow and robotic by end. Maybe he's doing it on purpose to prolong it lol. But Loomis stops him like last one lol.
In the first Halloween, Jamie Leigh Curtis had long hair, but by 1981 she started sporting the pixie-like short hair she has to this day, so in this film she is wearing a wig. The cinematographer for this film is the same person who did the original, Dean Cundey.
Ok, I have to respond about Jimmy. Jimmy does survive. In the original cut of the movie shown at the theaters he pops up in the ambulance with Laurie. With reasons unbeknownst to us that footage was lost and not shown on the video versions so just assume that he is heavily concussed. Also she did wear a wig because I believe she had short hair at the time but I could be wrong. One last thing, look for Michael, Annie & Laurie’s voice when you see Halloween 3 😉
So Halloween 1, Michael was played by Nick Castle. The face reveal at the end was Tony Moran. That was his only scene in the franchise. In this one, Michael is played by Dick Warlock I forget why they chose to go with a different person.
The alternate timelines things are what they are, it really doesn't matter after a certain point in this series. Also popular narrative is that the Zombie films suck, more accurately the first one is just a bit plain and the second one is just not what a lot of the fandom wanted (but is actually a surprisingly thoughtful and well executed film in it's own right). The more generic and crowd pleasing sequels are the most highly regarded but that doesn't = the best (of course that's subjective anyway but yeah there is a hell of a bias in this fandom and some films quite unfairly get beat to the ground by a large majority).
Rob Zombies films are competently made, but introduce numerous things that only really expose his small “style” namely the trashy universe and gloss of everything as well as the fucking rape scene that he basically demands that everyone see. The second film was a bit more interesting, and in many ways was very experimental and cool, but it had a number of devastating flaws that more or less exposed it to negative criticism. I don’t know if “zombies films suck” is a bad popular narrative. I think that in order to appreciate Zombie, you should look to his other work. His work on Halloween doesn’t really add anything new and actively detracts from the series as a whole.
@@Atothetheist disagree entirely (frankly the idea that something can have good elements yet “actively detract from the series as a whole” isn’t just ridiculous it’s arrogant), is the rape scene needed? No. It’s also in one cut of the film and is one scene in an entire movie. Different reasons for this being awful but was Sartain needed? No. It was equally terrible. RZH1 is a bit bland in general however it’s not bad by any means. RZH2 (I don’t want to give spoilers) does everything H20 and H18 only pretended to be doing and does it well. Again it’s fine that most fans don’t like Zombie’s style but that’s not objective it’s personal and it’s beyond pretentious to say they “actively detract” from the series when they are both blatantly and objectively better made films than say H3, H5, or HR and RZH2 has a lot more depth and creativity than say H20, H18 or H3 5 and R. It’s just a bias and that’s it, again avoiding spoilers but this is a fandom that hold up H18 as “true to the original” whilst laughing at H6 and even sometimes H4 despite H18 actively playing to the inaccurate perceptions of H1 to appeal to more casual audiences whilst 4 and 6 actually used the core themes and concepts at the heart of the original film. Now you can like and dislike whatever you want but no the zombie films do not detract from the series and they are in no way worse films than at least half the series. I don’t even personally like the first RZ film and there are things I wouldn’t have done with RZH2 and it’s not even in my top 5 but it is a good film. This fandom is just very sheepish and very shallow frankly.
@@dommoore6180 The rape scene is the ONLY escape scene that’s included in the Director’s cut of the movie, which Rob Zombie has ensured is the only one that’s in circulation if you wanted to view it on DVD or streaming. It’s very hard not to get the version without the rape scene in it. It’s disingenuous to say “it’s only in ONE version of the movie,” when the version that it’s in is the MOST common version of the movie and the one that MOST people will buy on DVD and stream. Adding marginally good elements to its own story and being competently directed can exist whilst being an overall detraction from the series as a whole. It’s not arrogant to say, nor is it a contradiction. Rob Zombies movies don’t add anything good to the franchise that hadn’t in some form or fashion expressed itself in earlier sequels, and actively added in new, bad elements that dragged it down. You may disagree, but you would be in the minority here. Zombie’s Halloween two is a mishmash of pseudo-intellectual garbage. It thinks it’s talking about something deep, but it’s never quite gets there. It’s insane that you equate a graphic and unnecessary rape scene and a bad plot point as “equally” terrible. Some perspective might be in order on that front.
@@Atothetheist again you’re being biased. The rape scene is one scene that was my comparison and yes it’s equally terrible you just happen to find it more offensive. Besides the only one of these films (and actually the only film post H6) that has anything remotely interesting to add to the franchise and that actually has more than a surface of depth to it is RZH2. You can’t pretend that H20 or H18 are better expressions of the ideas and themes they share with RZH2 - that really would be disingenuous. And again these films do add things (for a start and SPOILER, Myers isn’t human in any films besides the RZ ones, not to mention the many things it does with its characters some I personally didn’t like but aren’t objectively bad, easy example this is the only version of Brackett worth a damn, there are excellent sequences in both films stand outs including the opening of 2, as well as the third act, the house sequence at the end of 1 and so on) they don’t just “do what’s already been done” - that would be H18. I’m only in the minority because this fandom is so sheepish, in 98 everything besides H1 2 and H20 was “trash”, nowadays if it’s not H18 or H1 it’s “misguided” at best. When you look at how inaccurate and he metic H20 and H18 are it becomes laughable. Everyone acts all pretentious about these films and dismiss whatever isn’t in fashion. And the RZ films play against the tastes of the majority of the fandom so people claim they’re “bad” which is again, disingenuous. Oh and try something to criticise that isn’t just that one rape scene because we all know how buzz words work these days and that isn’t even in RZH2 which is the film I’m arguing is genuinely quite good.
I think you give it a really fair assessment. Carpenter and Hill were still heavily involved, mostly to be able to make some money, since Carpenter only got a flat $10,000 for Halloween 1. I really enjoy it, but the director was also stuck between Carpenter and Hill on one side and Moustapha Akkad on the other. The score really showcases Alan Howarth's contributions, and Carpenter and Howarth would collaborate again on one of Carpenter's best scores, Halloween 3
So this was made about 4 years later. Jaime had cut her hair by that time, which meant for this film she had to wear a wig that would resemble how her hair was in the original film.
Arrived a bit late to the reaction and the whole channel but very good, thanks. It's interesting to spot some scenes, especially murder set pieces, that echo similar scenes from earlier, non Halloween films. The part where Michael dunks the unfortunate nurse's face in the tub of scalding hot water almost exactly quotes a murder scene in Dario Argento's Giallo thriller classic Deep Red (76). Same M.O. exactly, same result. More proof of the ancestral link between the American slasher genre and it's parent- the Italian murder mystery/thriller, known as Giallo.
You can find the TV version on you tube. It will answer the question about Jimmy at the end scene after the fire. Also, you can find a clip of Laurie's dream where she remembers talking to Michael and says "I'm your sister, please don't be angry with me, please don't hurt me" The dream sequence is because she kept asking her adoptive mother about her past. And she sent her to visit Michael. That's why Michael escaped as an adult. There's a TV version of Halloween 1978 where he left his room torn up and the word "sister" is on the door. So the clues where already there. The parents probably should have been the ones that crashed into Ben Tramer, killing them all because of drunk driving. Because they were in the same party as the drunk Dr. Mixter. Sam Hain: The lord of the dead. (I believe that's why Michael can't die. He's possessed by Sam Hain.) I hope that this helps.
Jamie Lee Curtis was wearing a wig in this movie because by the time she filmed Halloween II she'd already cut her hair after having appeared in The Fog, Prom Night, and Terror Train.
Jimmy survived. Michael died. This is truly where Halloween ends if you want to consider Halloween II canon to the first. I think Halloween II does such a good job at making it feel like the exact same movie that as much as I love the ending of the first, I do consider Halloween II as canon. But that’s as far as it goes. It’s Halloween 1978 and then Halloween II 1981. The rest are nothing more than just high budget fan films to me.
The razor blade" myth" is a fact back in the '70s and early '80s there was people that would put razor blades in caramel and candied apples That's would happened quite a few times every Halloween. That's why people don't give those out anymore.
If Michael Myers moves noticeably different in this movie it's because Nick Castle, who played Michael Myers in Halloween, did not return for Halloween II. He was busy working with John Carpenter co-writing Escape From New York, which came out the same year. Instead, stuntman Dick Warlock(who was Kurt Russell's stuntman in Escape From New York) played Michael Myers. Warlock did his best, but he moved rather robotically and lacked Nick Castle's fluid, graceful body movements, which were the result of years of dance training.
I prefer the alternate ending with Jimmy waking up in the ambulance next to Laurie and them holding each other's hand as both of them having survived Michael's rampage. I felt that H2O should have had Laurie and Jimmy still being together with a teenage daughter, but living under aliases and having to face Michael's return.
They showed his face in the first film as it was only supposed to be one film and they wanted to give some kind of payoff to the question of what he looks like which has been in the audience's mind the whole film. They cut out his face in the sequel as they didn't want to kill the mystique of the killer, something they relied upon in the first film, right at the opening of the film. You have to remember that in 1981 few people would have the opportunity to go back and watch Halloween (1978) to check if the ending to Halloween is any different to its representation in the opening of Halloween II. Few films were yet available on VHS.
Love this silly movie. HEY! I once got into a HUGE Hollywood party wearing that very same ERASERHEAD design shirt. Back in 1987, I think. What an evening........
Don't forget they are still making Halloween movies. Friday the 13th is stuck in limbo because of a legal battle. Over the rights to the franchise that's the only thing stopping them. From making more Friday the 13th movies right now.
John Carpenter himself admitted that the plot twist at the end making Laurie Strode turn out to be Michael Myers' sister was a mistake. Making Laurie Michael's sister actually makes no sense because Laurie would've already been born at the time Michael killed his older sister in 1963, as there is only a four year age difference between them. Also, if Michael wanted to kill Laurie because she was his sister, he wouldn't have spent so much time stalking and killing Annie, Lynda, and Bob, since Laurie was right across the street. Carpenter didn't really want to do a sequel and only wrote the script for a paycheck, and he admitted that he was drinking lots of beer to get him through the writing process. He felt he needed to come up with a reason for why Michael kept chasing Laurie, but really, no explanation was needed.
But John dropped hints of that plot twist in his own film. In the scene where Laurie finds Annie's dead body lying in front of Judith Myers's tombstone, this tells the audiences that Michael sees Laurie as his sister (hence, why he's been stalking her throughout the 1st film). Having Laurie be his actual sister makes perfect sense on why he tries to kill her in both films and he was most likely looking for Laurie after he killed Judith but his parents showed up in the nick of time to stop him.
@@loudboy317 Sorry, but that's not really true. Carpenter himself admitted that the sister plot twist was something he came up with for the sequel, it wasn't part of the original movie The reason Michael steaks Judith's headstone and places it above Annie's body is because he was recreating the events of the night he killed Judith. Again, if he wanted to kill Laurie, why does he spend the night stalking Annie? Carpenter even says in the DVD commentary that the reason Michael is interested in Laurie is because she's a voyeur, like him; a watcher. Michael also stalks Tommy Doyle at his elementary school, remember? Tommy is another watcher and he reminds Michael of himself. Again, Carpenter himself admitted that making Laurie Michael's sister in the second film was a mistake and contradicted the events of the first film, which is why that was retconned and eliminated in the new movies, Halloween and Halloween Kills.
@@44excalibur But Michael never tried to kill Tommy Doyle and the only reason he was stalking Annie is because she was with Laurie as was Lynda. He saw the 3 girls together while he was driving past them and he followed them to their houses. Michael was counting on Laurie to visit her friends after he heard her talking on the phone hence, why he steaked Judith's tombstone above Annie's body. Look, whether if he planned it or not, John is just making excuses because he doesn't want to admit that he planted the seeds of the "Laurie is Michael's sister" plotline in his own film. Plus, the whole "recreating the events of the night Michael killed Judith" plot is only adding to the twist of Laurie being his other sister. It's the 2018 film that don't make sense because Micheal has no reason to wait 40 years to break out of prison or to hunt down Laurie again because there's no connection between them anymore. Plus, he shouldn't have survived the injuries he received from the 1978 film because by erasing the previous sequels (even part 2), they've erased the supernatural aspect of Michael Myers.
@@loudboy317 The only reason Michael never tried to kill Tommy is because he never went over to the Wallace house. Michael could've gotten to Laurie any time he wanted to during the night, but he never once stalked the Doyle house. He spent all of his time at the Wallace house stalking Annie, not the behavior of someone who wants to kill Laurie because she's his sister. The only reason he went after Laurie was because she went to the Wallace house. Again, you have to remember that Halloween was never meant to have a sequel. The idea of Laurie being Michael's sister was never even thought of by anyone when they made the original movie. If Laurie were Michael's sister there's no way Dr. Loomis wouldn't have known about her because she'd have been two years old when Michael killed Judith, remember? Michael is 21, and Laurie and her friends are all 17 year old high school seniors. Even the chronology is all wrong, not to mention the logic.
@@44excalibur If John didn't want a sequel, then he shouldn't have made Michael disappear at the end of the original. Don't have him survive 2 stabbings to the neck and chest, 6 bullets to the chest, or falling off the roof of a house. Also, you forget that Michael was stalking Laurie all day since he saw her at his old house and he saw her walking with Annie and Lynda later on. Plus, both Laurie and Annie were in the same car when Michael followed them to the Wallace and Doyle houses. Even when Michael had eventually gone to the Doyle house, he never went after Tommy or Lindsey because he was more focused on Laurie which is exactly the behavior of someone who wants to kill Laurie because she's his sister. Michael apparently has boundaries when it comes to children because he didn't kill Annie until after she sent Lindsey to the Doyle house. As for why Dr. Loomis didn't know about Laurie being Michael's sister, the lady doctor explained in the 2nd film that all records on Laurie's identity were kept confidential by the courts after Michael's parents were killed. Nobody outside of the courts knew that Laurie was related to Michael, not even Loomis himself.
First time watching you. Great vid. Sidebar: you look like that woman from the Titanic movie. Standing on the bow of the Titanic with Leonardo DiCaprio. Lol but blonde . . .
I love Halloween 2 but I still think I like the first one better anyway I love watching you react to different movies and by the way your dog is adorable curled up in a little ball in the background so cute
Verry underrated sequel. I think John Carpenter did a great script, music and he also done lot of re-shoots for the movie because he see the rough cut of the movie and he said it not scary and gory.
Halloween 3 is like another season of American Horror Story. They were telling another story but with a Halloween theme basically. Problem is that fans wanted more Michael Myers.
John Carpenter didn't direct Halloween II, but he and Debra Hill did co-write and produce it. I'll give credit to director Rick Rosenthal for doing what was perhaps the best imitation of John Carpenter's directing style I've ever seen. lol It actually looks and feels like a John Carpenter film in spite of Carpenter not directing it. Dean Cundy's cinematography and John Carpenter's music definitely helped.
This was made a year after THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, so the writer John Carpenter, aside from his comments about having a six pack of Budweiser a night trying to figure out what to write about the story line of 1981’s HALLOWEEN II, probably got the idea of the family connection after watching THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.
I mostly like this movie. I think it generally retained a lot of the suspense of the first movie yet also managed to take a somewhat different approach which distinguished it. This one seemed to be more focused on the SHOCKS, with more graphic violence than the first. Of course it was post-Friday the 13th and in the midst of the whole early 80's slasher phenomenon, which undoubtedly influenced THAT approach, but I liked it and thought that it worked for it. There's more Halloween atmosphere in this one too, with trick or treaters and stuff, which the original didn't feature much of as I recall, and I like THAT too. I also like that kid who bit into the razor apple. Though it's just an incidental background thing, it's still very impactful and memorable. It's a clever touch. I like the more electronicized score. It sounds very then-modern and cutting edge New Wave rockish and updates this one a little bit in terms of style. The Samhain dialogue is chilling and effective and informative. I don't think a lot of people knew what THAT was prior to this flick. However, I don't like that "Laurie is Micheal's SISTER!" bit. I always thought THAT was weak, stupid, ill-inspired, and un-original. Even at the time. It seemed to have been ripped-off from The Empire Strikes Back (Darth Vader; "I'm your FATHER Luke!") which had already come out by the time of THIS flick. There also didn't seem to be any suggestion of it or foundation for it in the original, not even in hindsight. I mean in THAT one he appeared to just make acquaintance with her by pure random happenstance, without any discernible prior familiarity with her, because she happened to be near that house of his babysitting (just like the other people he victimized) and because her father was selling that house and she was dropping off the key. Yeah, so I thought THAT sucked, and other viewers who I know aren't impressed with it either for that matter. But, really, THAT's about the only thing I hate about it. So, generally, I LIKE THIS one.
LOVE this reaction and you just mentioned everything I loved about this film. Personally, it gets EPIC when you watch this and the Original as a DOUBLE FEATURE. FUN FACT: John Carpenter DID DIRECT SCENES for HALLOWEEN II. Most notably the CONTACT KILLS and the famous HE KNOWS WHERE SHE IS (The Boombox Kid bump-in scene). DICK WARLOCK, who plays THE SHAPE in this film was the PATROLMAN who ran into BEN TRAMER. The synth-score overlay was done with co-composer ALAN HOWARTH for this film overlaid with the original while working with JC's score for ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK that same year and he continues to develop his mastery scoring throughout the series to PART 6. HALLOWEEN III: SEASON OF THE WITCH is a great (and last entry involvement of the original HALLOWEEN team) film that actually delves into the SAMHAIN mythology...but with a terrifying modern twist....and also...could be a prequel to a futuristic film about a cyborg cop. XD
The guy showing his face is Tony moran he never played myers, he was just him for that one scene to show his face. They cut out his face, because they realized more then likely that not showing his face is better. It is the only mistake the first film made. Carpenter directed most of it, but gave all the credit to rosenthal, who also directed halloween resurrection in 2002 (Which maybe is the worst movie out of all of them). Also the guy that gets out the cop car after killing the kid is the guy playing Myers in this one. His name is dick warlock, greatest name ever. Carpenter also hated the fact he had to make this sequel, he was only gonna do the first, no sequels. Which would have been awesome to see the bad guy win, as carpenter wrote Myers to be the actual boogeyman that you can't kill. He said Myers is a human, but he has a slight supernatural edge. He wrote the part where they're siblings when he got drunk one night as he had writer's block, and he hated the fact he did that. It's much scarier if he just picked a girl to mess with. This and part 4 are generally considered the best sequels.
You should check out Halloween 3. It technically isn’t connected to the first two or any sequel afterwards but it’s really fun. This was going to be michael’s last film. And the sequels were gonna be anthologies but Halloween 3 didn’t do so well so they brought back Michael.
There is an alternate ending for Halloween II where Jimmy is also in the ambulance alove with Laurie so i'd assume he is alive. Also be aware of the timelines Halloween 4-6 are sequels to 1&2. Then H20 and Resurrection are sequels for Halloween 1&2, ignorong 4-6
You should react to Halloween 3 even tho it isn’t related to myers.. it’s still a cool Halloween movie. And directed by Tommy Lee Wallace the guy that created the myers mask and produced and made the films
Because Michael Myers made money. So the magical power of money brought them back. Thats why John Carpenter walked away from the Halloween franchise. After Halloween 3 until Halloween 2018. Because he was done with Michael Myers after Halloween 2.
I actually think you should check out the Rob zombie ones eventually. I thought that first one was decent, it's obviously not better than John Carpenter's. I thought Rob zombie's aesthetic was cool. It was his second one that kind of threw me with some plot choices
Nah, the reason why they didn't show Michael's face in the opening scene in this movie was because they'd have to pay Tony Moran, the actor who appeared in that scene in the first movie, for his brief appearance and they didn't want to do that.
It's hilarious how much John Carpenter hates this film yet so many fans love it, even more than the first.
Absolutely love Halloween II. I saw it in theatres in 1981 and yes, the reveal that Laurie was Michael’s sister was just as shocking to us in those days as Darth Vader being Luke’s father. (At that time in movie history, that twist had not happened very much, so it still had impact.).
Jamie Lee Curtis wanted to stop making horror movies and pursue other films, and only returned for this sequel as a favor to Carpenter and on the condition that her role be smaller than the first film. This explains why she spends so much of the film alone in a hospital room or asleep. People today who watch H2 for the first time constantly criticize this aspect as a fault of the film when, in fact, it was a requirement for her to return at all.
I was happy to trade some Laurie time to have some extra Loomis time in the sequel 🎃 🔪
Another insane reveal would have been Arnold being the good guy in Terminator 2, but they spoiled it in the damn trailers.
My son was born about a week before Halloween. Being in the hospital that time of year made me think of Myers. Once I took a wrong turn going to see him and ended up in the basement. Had an eye open for Michael down there. Lol
Haha wow that’s awesome
The guy who says, "I've been trick or treated to death tonight," is the guy who ignored Laurie's cries for help in the original.
Yes. It connects to what the sheriff tells Loomis when they first meet -- his main job on Halloween is to keep the tricks played on the population down. That's why Brackett thinks the hardware store break-in is just another trick he'll have to deal with that night. The population has also been dealing with the kids all playing tricks. It's why Laurie and Bob keep thinking their friends are pulling pranks. Myers merely takes advantage of it
Incorrect.
An alternate ending had that Jimmy raise up in the ambulance.
I love the TV scenes.
@@burnlastsunday me 2, ive both tv versions of halloween 1&2
@@mariojohnston7147 When they look at the door and it says SISTER on it in big letters... Freaky.
yup in the tv version
Yes, It was a huge shocker with the audience when they revealed laurie was myers sister. I saw it in the theater with my dad back in 1981. They also cheered when Loomis shot the window out to turn the car around back to the hospital..
I love reading comments from people that saw something like this in theaters. I wish I were there to see everyone’s response. Thankfully there some 80s film that I got to see for myself in theaters as a boy
@@ElDuderino84 I try to give my son the same experience even tho there will never be the same crowds and excitement again.
They cheered in my theater when Loomis shot the window as well.
I was 13 when I saw this. It scared the crap outta me 🤣
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 yes I remember that one. Everyone whistled and cheered. That scene was pretty loud.
The Ben Tramer scene is hilarious, the exploding van makes it feel like a classic Simpsons gag. Like, wtf would that cop have done if Ben wasn’t crossing the street? Was he just going to slam into that van going 90mph regardless?? Lol
Car driven by Dick Warlock. Even without a mask, he's a killer.
Don’t forget he was also the one Lorry had a crush on, in the first movie.
@@spikejr3113jr Poor guy had awful timing.
Lmao I never thought about it like that 🤣
OH MY GOD! You are so right about the ending relating to the previous mention of sacrificial fires on Samhain. I have been watching this movie for almost FORTY years and this never occurred to me. I'm so glad I found your channel lol. That was an incredible bit of insight. Right on! 😀👍
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I never connected it either. Lordy'mercy
Same
This was originally suppose to be the end of those character story, the next film is a stand-alone story. They intended it to be an anthology series from 3 onward with different Halloween stories. But people complained and they brought Michael Back.
Yeah, I actually really like the 3rd one and never understood how so many people not only complained but even disliked it only because it has no Michael in it. As it is on its own it is very well made across the board and has a dark theme involving kids as victims which is cool and different.
I don’t like any past this movie but it should have ended this story here and the anthology was a smart choice that turned out badly.
@@acdc09 the theme song for that one was pretty creepy
The dream sequence where Laurie sees a young Michael sitting in a chair and turning his head towards her was inspired by an actual incident that happened to John Carpenter when he was a student at Western Kentucky University. His class visited a psychiatric hospital and Carpenter wandered away from the group to look into a room with an open door. Inside he saw a young boy sitting in a chair just staring out of a window, not moving or speaking. Suddenly, as if the boy sensed he was being watched, he turned and stared and Carpenter, and Carpenter was creeped out by the boy's expression, saying that the boy had "a look of schizophrenia; a look of madness."
I believe that boy was also the inspiration for the character of Michael Myers
3:02 I used to travel back and forth through the REAL SMITH’s GROVE in KY and got a slight chill when I saw the sign at night. Near where Carpenter grew up.
Halloween 4 is a beast of a film to watch u will most likely enjoy it
LOVE that Eraserhead t-shirt!! ❤️
I know it’s not considered canon anymore but I’ll always have a soft spot in my heart for this sequel; it was always on cable TV incessantly when I was a kid around Halloween in the late ‘80s/early ‘90s (especially on USA Network - with the excised footage put back in), so I’ve seen it tons. Plus Carpenter had a hand in it.
Halloween 3 has the legend in it. Tom Atkins!
Jamie Lee Curtis was wearing a bad wig, this point she had already started going for a different look like we saw in The Fog. Having it all take place the same night was an inspired choice because it ratchets up the tension almost immediately knowing Michael is nearby. I am very excited for Halloween III as it is my favorite of the franchise!
She'd gone short-haired by this time having cut it for Road Games (1981) and the TV movie She's in the Army Now (1981), both filmed in 1980. Halloween ll however was filmed same year as its release, guess she still wore it shorter then.
There's an alternate ending that includes Jimmy that was the ending in the TV version. You can find it on CZcams.
I’m totally gonna look it up!
YES that ending is the best! IDK why they didn't use it. One more SCARE! and it hints to a future with him and Laurie.
@@ScaredPale They also filmed an extra 10 minutes during the filming of Halloween II for the TV version of Halloween for its TV debut on NBC in 1981 which is also up on CZcams. Back when Commercials didn't rule the airwaves.
@@ScaredPale apparently jimmy is jamie loyld ( strode),s father from halloween 4,
Laurie why did you leave jamie in haddonfield and fake your death 🙊 them myers family are prone to a car crash from time to time 🙈
@@mariojohnston7147 Because they were supposed to be dead in Halloween 4, H20 is a different timeline.
Notice how Michael Myers looks different? The original guy was taller with a long thin face and big nose and this guy has a rounder face that makes the mask look totally different.
That's because Nick Castle played Michael Myers in the first movie, but in this movie Michael was played by stuntman and long time John Carpenter collaborator Dick Warlock, who was Kurt Russell's stuntman in Escape From New York.
@@44excalibur gee really? I said it was a different guy...
@@mem1701movies Yep, Nick Castle played Michael Myers in the first Halloween, but he I assume he was busy co-writing Escape From New York with John Carpenter when Halloween II was being made, so Kurt Russell's stunt double, Dick Warlock, played Michael in Halloween II. I'm not sure if that was Nick Castle's only reason for not appearing in the sequel. He did come back for the 2018 Halloween, though.
21:58, there is a TV cut version of the movie that released in 1985 on NBC, where the US Marshal gets stabbed in the chest rather than having his throat cut. And the Paramedic, Jimmy survived, and happily reunites with Laurie, giving the audience what they wanted: an ending with the two characters surviving.
I believe that sequence show Michel cover himself from the shot of Loomis with the marshalls body- Loomis was the one who kill the marshall with gun shot. But Carpenter didn´t like it and filmed the sequence we know in the teatrical version
Doctor Dementia's Halloween horror movie marathon is a recurring theme throughout the two Halloween movies, beginning with The Thing and Forbidden Planet in the first film, and continuing with Night of the Living Dead in this one.
I absolutely adore H'81 even tho it's hated more now that we have H2018 🤣 in a deleted scene/extended cut, Jimmy survived and was in the Ambulance with Laurie at the end 🥺 sad that they never used it in Theatrical Cut 🥺
There are some continuity errors at the beginning of this movie. At the end of the first movie, Dr. Loomis shoots Michael, knocking him off the bedroom balcony and onto the grass on the side of the house, but at the start of this movie, Michael is seen falling out of a window at the front of the house above the porch and lands on the front lawn. Also, Dr. Loomis fires six shots from a .38 revolver in the first movie: one shot in the hallway that knocks Michael into the bedroom, and five more that knock him off the bedroom balcony. Yet, when Loomis shoots at Michael at the beginning of this movie, a total of seven shots can be heard... from a six shot revolver.
His mask looks different, as well as Jamie Lee Curtis wearing a wig that looks different. I like to think of it as an alternate reality, like the other films, except the last one a few years back. Also, apart from the recent 2018 film and the upcoming sequels to it, all the others except the original 1978 film, ARE now a different timeline. This now obviously also includes this film, and explains those continuity differences.
@@peterlenham6904 It's actually the exact same mask from the first one, just a little dirtier. Debra Hill had the original mask stored away in a drawer in her home, never imagining that they'd have to use it again, which is why it looks a little worn out. I actually like everything else about Halloween II other than that sister thing. It's the only Halloween sequel that feels like it has the DNA of the original.
Also this is fairly typical of a rural hospital even now.
I used to work in a town where the only reason the hospital in town was still there was the two factories that were in town. They pretty much paid the hospital not to close. There was a bigger hospital within about 12 miles.
The closest hospital to me now is 30 miles and it doesn't really do anything complicated so not many people are there overnight.
Glad to see somebody is watching all of them. Just keep in mind that 7/H20 is a direct sequel to 2 (so 4-6 never happened) and 2018 is a direct sequel to the original only :) also, the Rob Zombie films (director’s cuts) are far better than people give them credit for lol
3 also never happened for any of the films
Jaime Lee Curtis aka Laurie Strode looks different cuz the actress is wearing a hair wig,she had cut shorter hair cuz she had filmed a different unrelated movie that same year
I never liked the whole "You let him out!" repetition by Brackett. Does Loomis seem like he did it for shits and gigs? 🤣
One mistake that director Rick Rosenthal makes in this movie is that in several scenes you can see Michael Myers' eyes through the mask. John Carpenter was very careful in the first film to never let the audience see Michael's eyes through the eyeholes in the mask, so that they'd look like two black, empty spaces.
I spent 15 nights in the hospital and late at night they would reduce some lighting and there wasn't many ppl on the floor, the E.R. part of the hospital didn't have access to the main part of the hospital late at night unless they were brought into the back. After visiting hrs when most patients are asleep it can get pretty empty
If the musical score seems more electronic and synthesizer-based... remember, this was 1981. lol
In the 1st film Michael is played by 4 different people, including Debra Hill for 2 shots 😂😂 but 90% was Nick Castle, Tony Moran played unmasked Michael at the end
Tommy Lee Wallace played Michael breaking the closet door & Jim Winburn played Michael getting shot & falling off the balcony.
I love how well-made this movie was. I actually like the news reporter scenes and how the town reacted to the Myers' house. I'm not from a small town but given the description of the town, that scene looked and felt believable how they would want to trash the house. There are two things that stop this from being "better" from very good to amazing. I still don't get why they needed the "reveal"of how they're siblings. It goes against Michael's character. It was scarier if they played out the natural progression of how he was infatuated and amused with her since she dropped off the keys at his place. He made her a challenge so to speak. Halloween 2 should have just continued to just have Laurie as the "one that got away" and that his game wasn't over. Plus, I really wanted them to do more with that razor blade in mouth kid. Perhaps have Laurie be a roommate with the kid/take care of him???? They just did nothing with that character and wasn't needed. Everything else was great.
I agree, razor blade boy just seemed there for shock value. Wish he would have been tied in better too.
Remember!!! Halloween III: Season of the Witch Is a different story from this Halloween story but well worth it!!!
Yes. After Halloween II, John Carpenter didn't want to tell another Michael Myers story (he didn't even really wanna do Halloween II), so he tried turning the franchise into an anthology series like The Twilight Zone. But everyone wanted more Michael Myers, so Halloween III received lots of really negative criticism for not involving Myers. The film has received a more positive critical re-evalution over the years and even earned a cult following.
But there's still a large contingent of people who have a fiery eternal grudge against Halloween III for not being a Michael Myers story even though there are now about a dozen Myers sequels, reboots, and remakes, several of them being absolutely terrible and prime examples of how stale and repetitive the franchise became by rehashing the Myers story again and again. At least Halloween III tried to do something different.
@@glennwelsh9784 yeah look at how it evolved now the franchise I was wondering why he wasn't in part 3 maybe the first two movies just didn't do well enough
I believe the original intent was to make it an anthology, but the studio wanted more Michael. I believe this is why Carpenter "killed" Mikey at the end, so they'd have no choice but let him do the anthology next time.
@@mattschliemann9683 yeah they were going to take a different route with it but after the third one everybody bitched and complained and they wanted Michael back they didn't think he was going to be such a phenomenon that he is today so they brought him back but yeah they were right because after the second movie they were like yeah we're not going to be using this mask anymore and what not and that's why the masked never was preserved
@@mattschliemann9683 yeah I watched the whole back story about it cuz I was wondering why he wasn't in the third one and I found out when I saw the history of you know the making of Halloween and the Mastiff take very long to produce took him like 45 minutes it was on a low budget this and that but they had no idea it was going to blow up to what it is today they had no idea when they were making the movie
In the original ending Laurie was supposed to have one last jumpscare when Jimmy is revealed with a bandage on his head in the back of the ambulance with her. Thus Jimmy is alive, he's just on the cutting room floor. I actually prefer that happier ending in my heart but probably know it wouldn't let the film end on the right tone, too happy an ending for a horror movie.
Can't wait for the Halloween 4 and 5 reactions. 4 is one of my favs.
Ooo I can’t wait to watch!!! Everyone’s says they love 4!
@@ScaredPale 4 is awesome
@@awesomeaidan4215 A lot hate on 5 too but I liked it as well. Guess it was cause I was a kid and grew up on it.
@@sallygirl2066 i liked it to I watched it 2 months ago and expected to hate it but it was very underrated i think
@Truest Cato Maior4Evah who are you talking to?
The hospital is now a VA hospital and the representative from Shout Video, wasn’t allowed on the property.
As in the first film, the town of Haddonfield was actually near Hollywood.
Dick Warlock played Michael this time and he also played the cop that hit Bennet Tramer.
There’s a few deleted scenes: the news lady that was talking to actor Dana Carvey, is killed by Michael, while he was enroute to the hospital. The other deleted scene was shown on the television version. While in the ambulance at the end of the movie, Laurie is startled by Jimmy and is glad to see him alive.
The idea of having Laurie and Michael as siblings, was added at the last minute in this sequel. Something that was never intended by John Carpenter.
This was originally intended to be the final story involving Michael and company. Halloween III is a standalone film, because it was supposed to be a yearly anthology similar to Twilight Zone.
Glad to see someone reacting to all the Halloween's! My favorite of the choose your own adventure time lines is the 78 original, this sequel and Halloween H20.
"If you can scream and be frightened in a theater in safety... you come out in the real world and sleep peacefully... you've had a catharsis. You've had an experience that's made you a little bit better." -Dir. John Carpenter
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The scene at the end where Laurie shoots out Michael's eye sockets is precisely the reason why all of the Halloween sequels in the late 80s and 1990s made no sense... because Michael's got no damn eyeballs anymore. Not to mention after the explosion, his body would've been burned to the point where his muscles would be useless.
Another thing that didn't make sense is how did Dr. Loomis survived the explosion??? Like Michael, he too should've been burnt to a crisp.
Awesome Video. So glad you decided to continue with these Halloween Movies. 🎃 I've seen a few people do reaction videos to Halloween 2, and you are the only one who noticed, Ben Tramer was mentioned in the first Movie, and Nancy was also the Nurse from the first. Yes, Laurie was wearing a wig, because they wanted her to look like Laurie from the first. I love this sequel. In the alternative ending, made for TV, you see Jimmy alive in the Ambulance, but this one you don't know. 🤔😀😎👍
The close up on Michaels burning mask was clearly the director saying Michael is dead..
You are in for a treat on Halloween 4. Which is dramatically different in tone and cast. That movie takes place at a different time.
Probably my favourite sequel but the original 1978 remains THE best Halloween movie to me personally, cool fact about the hot tub kills is that the dude who played Myers in this movie (Richard Warlock) is also a professional stuntman so when he garrotted the dude he said ‘arch your shoulders back for the first 3 tugs and then on the final pull go back as far as you can and then go completely limp and I’ll cushion your fall’ and to the girl he said ‘whenever you are ready to either be dunked or to be pulled back up just apply pressure onto my palm using the back of your head and I’ll do the rest’ that to me is the sign of a true professional, Richard Warlock along with Nick Castle (the original actor to play Myers) and James Jude Courtney (the latest actor and stuntman to play him starting with the 2018 movie) are for me THE three best actors to play the character
In the uncut/ Director's cut version, some of the scenes are different. Jimmy is alive and in the back of the ambulance with Laurie.
I did watch John Carpenter’s HALLOWEEN on its first network television premiere on TV in October of 1981 as a 6 year old boy and we did see 1981’s HALLOWEEN II in theaters that same month and year. I do tend to watch 1981’s HALLOWEEN II a lot more than the first movie, although I do love John Carpenter’s HALLOWEEN. It’s just I gravitate towards the second movie a lot more when I want to watch any of the HALLOWEEN movies.
I look forward to seeing more of your Halloween journey leading up to Kills! This was the perfect time to do it!
In the first Halloween movie Laurie Strode wasn’t his sister. The sequel is where John Carpenter added in the sister twist.
You're correct in that the old "razor-blade-in-the-apple" trick is just an urban legend. There's never been one recorded incident of that happening.
Yayyyyy this ones awesome. The whole movie is awesome but overall the first half I think is the best compared later as it goes on lol. Very cool to pick up where last left off lol. The body print on grass was funny lol. Plus if you remember last one where he fell there was no grass lol. This whole beginning with him walking around is awesome lol. Love how he glides lol. Better than by the end he's walking down stairs without looking down lol. He moves so slow and robotic by end. Maybe he's doing it on purpose to prolong it lol. But Loomis stops him like last one lol.
In the first Halloween, Jamie Leigh Curtis had long hair, but by 1981 she started sporting the pixie-like short hair she has to this day, so in this film she is wearing a wig. The cinematographer for this film is the same person who did the original, Dean Cundey.
Ok, I have to respond about Jimmy. Jimmy does survive. In the original cut of the movie shown at the theaters he pops up in the ambulance with Laurie. With reasons unbeknownst to us that footage was lost and not shown on the video versions so just assume that he is heavily concussed. Also she did wear a wig because I believe she had short hair at the time but I could be wrong. One last thing, look for Michael, Annie & Laurie’s voice when you see Halloween 3 😉
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loooooved this. you seem so chill and this is my favorite horror series so i’m def subbing 🥰 can’t wait for more!
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Fun fact: one of the reporters next to the ambulance near the end when they are taking Laurie away was in fact Dana Carvey, the comedian.
Oh wow no way?!
So Halloween 1, Michael was played by Nick Castle.
The face reveal at the end was Tony Moran.
That was his only scene in the franchise.
In this one, Michael is played by Dick Warlock
I forget why they chose to go with a different person.
Warlock did a great job, he is the best Myers in my opinion.
The alternate timelines things are what they are, it really doesn't matter after a certain point in this series.
Also popular narrative is that the Zombie films suck, more accurately the first one is just a bit plain and the second one is just not what a lot of the fandom wanted (but is actually a surprisingly thoughtful and well executed film in it's own right). The more generic and crowd pleasing sequels are the most highly regarded but that doesn't = the best (of course that's subjective anyway but yeah there is a hell of a bias in this fandom and some films quite unfairly get beat to the ground by a large majority).
Rob Zombies films are competently made, but introduce numerous things that only really expose his small “style” namely the trashy universe and gloss of everything as well as the fucking rape scene that he basically demands that everyone see.
The second film was a bit more interesting, and in many ways was very experimental and cool, but it had a number of devastating flaws that more or less exposed it to negative criticism. I don’t know if “zombies films suck” is a bad popular narrative. I think that in order to appreciate Zombie, you should look to his other work. His work on Halloween doesn’t really add anything new and actively detracts from the series as a whole.
@@Atothetheist disagree entirely (frankly the idea that something can have good elements yet “actively detract from the series as a whole” isn’t just ridiculous it’s arrogant), is the rape scene needed? No. It’s also in one cut of the film and is one scene in an entire movie. Different reasons for this being awful but was Sartain needed? No. It was equally terrible. RZH1 is a bit bland in general however it’s not bad by any means. RZH2 (I don’t want to give spoilers) does everything H20 and H18 only pretended to be doing and does it well. Again it’s fine that most fans don’t like Zombie’s style but that’s not objective it’s personal and it’s beyond pretentious to say they “actively detract” from the series when they are both blatantly and objectively better made films than say H3, H5, or HR and RZH2 has a lot more depth and creativity than say H20, H18 or H3 5 and R. It’s just a bias and that’s it, again avoiding spoilers but this is a fandom that hold up H18 as “true to the original” whilst laughing at H6 and even sometimes H4 despite H18 actively playing to the inaccurate perceptions of H1 to appeal to more casual audiences whilst 4 and 6 actually used the core themes and concepts at the heart of the original film. Now you can like and dislike whatever you want but no the zombie films do not detract from the series and they are in no way worse films than at least half the series. I don’t even personally like the first RZ film and there are things I wouldn’t have done with RZH2 and it’s not even in my top 5 but it is a good film. This fandom is just very sheepish and very shallow frankly.
@@dommoore6180 The rape scene is the ONLY escape scene that’s included in the Director’s cut of the movie, which Rob Zombie has ensured is the only one that’s in circulation if you wanted to view it on DVD or streaming. It’s very hard not to get the version without the rape scene in it. It’s disingenuous to say “it’s only in ONE version of the movie,” when the version that it’s in is the MOST common version of the movie and the one that MOST people will buy on DVD and stream.
Adding marginally good elements to its own story and being competently directed can exist whilst being an overall detraction from the series as a whole. It’s not arrogant to say, nor is it a contradiction. Rob Zombies movies don’t add anything good to the franchise that hadn’t in some form or fashion expressed itself in earlier sequels, and actively added in new, bad elements that dragged it down. You may disagree, but you would be in the minority here.
Zombie’s Halloween two is a mishmash of pseudo-intellectual garbage. It thinks it’s talking about something deep, but it’s never quite gets there.
It’s insane that you equate a graphic and unnecessary rape scene and a bad plot point as “equally” terrible. Some perspective might be in order on that front.
@@Atothetheist again you’re being biased. The rape scene is one scene that was my comparison and yes it’s equally terrible you just happen to find it more offensive. Besides the only one of these films (and actually the only film post H6) that has anything remotely interesting to add to the franchise and that actually has more than a surface of depth to it is RZH2. You can’t pretend that H20 or H18 are better expressions of the ideas and themes they share with RZH2 - that really would be disingenuous. And again these films do add things (for a start and SPOILER, Myers isn’t human in any films besides the RZ ones, not to mention the many things it does with its characters some I personally didn’t like but aren’t objectively bad, easy example this is the only version of Brackett worth a damn, there are excellent sequences in both films stand outs including the opening of 2, as well as the third act, the house sequence at the end of 1 and so on) they don’t just “do what’s already been done” - that would be H18. I’m only in the minority because this fandom is so sheepish, in 98 everything besides H1 2 and H20 was “trash”, nowadays if it’s not H18 or H1 it’s “misguided” at best. When you look at how inaccurate and he metic H20 and H18 are it becomes laughable. Everyone acts all pretentious about these films and dismiss whatever isn’t in fashion. And the RZ films play against the tastes of the majority of the fandom so people claim they’re “bad” which is again, disingenuous.
Oh and try something to criticise that isn’t just that one rape scene because we all know how buzz words work these days and that isn’t even in RZH2 which is the film I’m arguing is genuinely quite good.
I like all the films, but every single one has faults. But I've never heard a Zombie movie called "plain" before. That's funny.
Your perspectives and reactions are all very refreshing! I subscribed, can't wait for Halloween 3 & 4
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I think you give it a really fair assessment. Carpenter and Hill were still heavily involved, mostly to be able to make some money, since Carpenter only got a flat $10,000 for Halloween 1. I really enjoy it, but the director was also stuck between Carpenter and Hill on one side and Moustapha Akkad on the other.
The score really showcases Alan Howarth's contributions, and Carpenter and Howarth would collaborate again on one of Carpenter's best scores, Halloween 3
So this was made about 4 years later. Jaime had cut her hair by that time, which meant for this film she had to wear a wig that would resemble how her hair was in the original film.
Arrived a bit late to the reaction and the whole channel but very good, thanks. It's interesting to spot some scenes, especially murder set pieces, that echo similar scenes from earlier, non Halloween films. The part where Michael dunks the unfortunate nurse's face in the tub of scalding hot water almost exactly quotes a murder scene in Dario Argento's Giallo thriller classic Deep Red (76). Same M.O. exactly, same result. More proof of the ancestral link between the American slasher genre and it's parent- the Italian murder mystery/thriller, known as Giallo.
After watching every halloween film halloween 2 definitely second best (behind the original) love this movie
You can find the TV version on you tube. It will answer the question about Jimmy at the end scene after the fire. Also, you can find a clip of Laurie's dream where she remembers talking to Michael and says "I'm your sister, please don't be angry with me, please don't hurt me"
The dream sequence is because she kept asking her adoptive mother about her past. And she sent her to visit Michael. That's why Michael escaped as an adult. There's a TV version of Halloween 1978 where he left his room torn up and the word "sister" is on the door. So the clues where already there.
The parents probably should have been the ones that crashed into Ben Tramer, killing them all because of drunk driving. Because they were in the same party as the drunk Dr. Mixter.
Sam Hain: The lord of the dead. (I believe that's why Michael can't die. He's possessed by Sam Hain.)
I hope that this helps.
Jamie Lee Curtis was wearing a wig in this movie because by the time she filmed Halloween II she'd already cut her hair after having appeared in The Fog, Prom Night, and Terror Train.
Jimmy survived. Michael died. This is truly where Halloween ends if you want to consider Halloween II canon to the first. I think Halloween II does such a good job at making it feel like the exact same movie that as much as I love the ending of the first, I do consider Halloween II as canon. But that’s as far as it goes. It’s Halloween 1978 and then Halloween II 1981. The rest are nothing more than just high budget fan films to me.
The razor blade" myth" is a fact back in the '70s and early '80s there was people that would put razor blades in caramel and candied apples That's would happened quite a few times every Halloween. That's why people don't give those out anymore.
20:23, what a twist! I mean, no one knew about it all.
She was not a horrible nurse. I like to think of her as the greatest nurse ever!
If Michael Myers moves noticeably different in this movie it's because Nick Castle, who played Michael Myers in Halloween, did not return for Halloween II. He was busy working with John Carpenter co-writing Escape From New York, which came out the same year. Instead, stuntman Dick Warlock(who was Kurt Russell's stuntman in Escape From New York) played Michael Myers. Warlock did his best, but he moved rather robotically and lacked Nick Castle's fluid, graceful body movements, which were the result of years of dance training.
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I prefer the alternate ending with Jimmy waking up in the ambulance next to Laurie and them holding each other's hand as both of them having survived Michael's rampage. I felt that H2O should have had Laurie and Jimmy still being together with a teenage daughter, but living under aliases and having to face Michael's return.
They showed his face in the first film as it was only supposed to be one film and they wanted to give some kind of payoff to the question of what he looks like which has been in the audience's mind the whole film. They cut out his face in the sequel as they didn't want to kill the mystique of the killer, something they relied upon in the first film, right at the opening of the film. You have to remember that in 1981 few people would have the opportunity to go back and watch Halloween (1978) to check if the ending to Halloween is any different to its representation in the opening of Halloween II. Few films were yet available on VHS.
Personally I like to imagine that Myers grows stronger with every kill while in a mask on Halloween.
I enjoy your reviews. Thanks. You look like Kate Winslet.
Love this silly movie. HEY! I once got into a HUGE Hollywood party wearing that very same ERASERHEAD design shirt. Back in 1987, I think. What an evening........
Wow I wanna hear details about this party
People always joked that Friday the 13th had a thousand sequels but there are two movies called Halloween II.
Don't forget they are still making Halloween movies. Friday the 13th is stuck in limbo because of a legal battle. Over the rights to the franchise that's the only thing stopping them. From making more Friday the 13th movies right now.
Haha good point!
John Carpenter himself admitted that the plot twist at the end making Laurie Strode turn out to be Michael Myers' sister was a mistake. Making Laurie Michael's sister actually makes no sense because Laurie would've already been born at the time Michael killed his older sister in 1963, as there is only a four year age difference between them. Also, if Michael wanted to kill Laurie because she was his sister, he wouldn't have spent so much time stalking and killing Annie, Lynda, and Bob, since Laurie was right across the street. Carpenter didn't really want to do a sequel and only wrote the script for a paycheck, and he admitted that he was drinking lots of beer to get him through the writing process. He felt he needed to come up with a reason for why Michael kept chasing Laurie, but really, no explanation was needed.
But John dropped hints of that plot twist in his own film. In the scene where Laurie finds Annie's dead body lying in front of Judith Myers's tombstone, this tells the audiences that Michael sees Laurie as his sister (hence, why he's been stalking her throughout the 1st film). Having Laurie be his actual sister makes perfect sense on why he tries to kill her in both films and he was most likely looking for Laurie after he killed Judith but his parents showed up in the nick of time to stop him.
@@loudboy317 Sorry, but that's not really true. Carpenter himself admitted that the sister plot twist was something he came up with for the sequel, it wasn't part of the original movie The reason Michael steaks Judith's headstone and places it above Annie's body is because he was recreating the events of the night he killed Judith. Again, if he wanted to kill Laurie, why does he spend the night stalking Annie?
Carpenter even says in the DVD commentary that the reason Michael is interested in Laurie is because she's a voyeur, like him; a watcher. Michael also stalks Tommy Doyle at his elementary school, remember? Tommy is another watcher and he reminds Michael of himself. Again, Carpenter himself admitted that making Laurie Michael's sister in the second film was a mistake and contradicted the events of the first film, which is why that was retconned and eliminated in the new movies, Halloween and Halloween Kills.
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But Michael never tried to kill Tommy Doyle and the only reason he was stalking Annie is because she was with Laurie as was Lynda. He saw the 3 girls together while he was driving past them and he followed them to their houses. Michael was counting on Laurie to visit her friends after he heard her talking on the phone hence, why he steaked Judith's tombstone above Annie's body. Look, whether if he planned it or not, John is just making excuses because he doesn't want to admit that he planted the seeds of the "Laurie is Michael's sister" plotline in his own film. Plus, the whole "recreating the events of the night Michael killed Judith" plot is only adding to the twist of Laurie being his other sister.
It's the 2018 film that don't make sense because Micheal has no reason to wait 40 years to break out of prison or to hunt down Laurie again because there's no connection between them anymore. Plus, he shouldn't have survived the injuries he received from the 1978 film because by erasing the previous sequels (even part 2), they've erased the supernatural aspect of Michael Myers.
@@loudboy317 The only reason Michael never tried to kill Tommy is because he never went over to the Wallace house. Michael could've gotten to Laurie any time he wanted to during the night, but he never once stalked the Doyle house. He spent all of his time at the Wallace house stalking Annie, not the behavior of someone who wants to kill Laurie because she's his sister. The only reason he went after Laurie was because she went to the Wallace house.
Again, you have to remember that Halloween was never meant to have a sequel. The idea of Laurie being Michael's sister was never even thought of by anyone when they made the original movie. If Laurie were Michael's sister there's no way Dr. Loomis wouldn't have known about her because she'd have been two years old when Michael killed Judith, remember? Michael is 21, and Laurie and her friends are all 17 year old high school seniors. Even the chronology is all wrong, not to mention the logic.
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If John didn't want a sequel, then he shouldn't have made Michael disappear at the end of the original. Don't have him survive 2 stabbings to the neck and chest, 6 bullets to the chest, or falling off the roof of a house. Also, you forget that Michael was stalking Laurie all day since he saw her at his old house and he saw her walking with Annie and Lynda later on. Plus, both Laurie and Annie were in the same car when Michael followed them to the Wallace and Doyle houses. Even when Michael had eventually gone to the Doyle house, he never went after Tommy or Lindsey because he was more focused on Laurie which is exactly the behavior of someone who wants to kill Laurie because she's his sister. Michael apparently has boundaries when it comes to children because he didn't kill Annie until after she sent Lindsey to the Doyle house.
As for why Dr. Loomis didn't know about Laurie being Michael's sister, the lady doctor explained in the 2nd film that all records on Laurie's identity were kept confidential by the courts after Michael's parents were killed. Nobody outside of the courts knew that Laurie was related to Michael, not even Loomis himself.
Good video girl.You should react to the rest Haloween movies.
Ha! I watched this last night too!
First time watching you. Great vid. Sidebar: you look like that woman from the Titanic movie. Standing on the bow of the Titanic with Leonardo DiCaprio. Lol but blonde . . .
I love Halloween 2 but I still think I like the first one better anyway I love watching you react to different movies and by the way your dog is adorable curled up in a little ball in the background so cute
I sure am lucky to have a snuggly pup!
My favorite line of the movie “Harold!! Would you like mayonnaise or mustard!”
Lol jk
Verry underrated sequel. I think John Carpenter did a great script, music and he also done lot of re-shoots for the movie because he see the rough cut of the movie and he said it not scary and gory.
Good analysis and your take on this film. Well spoken also. I look forward to your next reaction.👍🏼
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14:13 this movie made me look like an idiot with a girl I knew who was well versed in Celtic culture. SAMHAIN is pronounced SOW-WEN
I remember seeing this on tape at the time, the good old days
Halloween 3 is like another season of American Horror Story. They were telling another story but with a Halloween theme basically. Problem is that fans wanted more Michael Myers.
John Carpenter didn't direct Halloween II, but he and Debra Hill did co-write and produce it. I'll give credit to director Rick Rosenthal for doing what was perhaps the best imitation of John Carpenter's directing style I've ever seen. lol It actually looks and feels like a John Carpenter film in spite of Carpenter not directing it. Dean Cundy's cinematography and John Carpenter's music definitely helped.
This was made a year after THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, so the writer John Carpenter, aside from his comments about having a six pack of Budweiser a night trying to figure out what to write about the story line of 1981’s HALLOWEEN II, probably got the idea of the family connection after watching THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.
I mostly like this movie. I think it generally retained a lot of the suspense of the first movie yet also managed to take a somewhat different approach which distinguished it.
This one seemed to be more focused on the SHOCKS, with more graphic violence than the first. Of course it was post-Friday the 13th and in the midst of the whole early 80's slasher phenomenon, which undoubtedly influenced THAT approach, but I liked it and thought that it worked for it.
There's more Halloween atmosphere in this one too, with trick or treaters and stuff, which the original didn't feature much of as I recall, and I like THAT too.
I also like that kid who bit into the razor apple. Though it's just an incidental background thing, it's still very impactful and memorable. It's a clever touch.
I like the more electronicized score. It sounds very then-modern and cutting edge New Wave rockish and updates this one a little bit in terms of style.
The Samhain dialogue is chilling and effective and informative. I don't think a lot of people knew what THAT was prior to this flick.
However, I don't like that "Laurie is Micheal's SISTER!" bit. I always thought THAT was weak, stupid, ill-inspired, and un-original. Even at the time. It seemed to have been ripped-off from The Empire Strikes Back (Darth Vader; "I'm your FATHER Luke!") which had already come out by the time of THIS flick. There also didn't seem to be any suggestion of it or foundation for it in the original, not even in hindsight. I mean in THAT one he appeared to just make acquaintance with her by pure random happenstance, without any discernible prior familiarity with her, because she happened to be near that house of his babysitting (just like the other people he victimized) and because her father was selling that house and she was dropping off the key. Yeah, so I thought THAT sucked, and other viewers who I know aren't impressed with it either for that matter. But, really, THAT's about the only thing I hate about it.
So, generally, I LIKE THIS one.
Great comparison with the Empire Strikes Back!
LOVE this reaction and you just mentioned everything I loved about this film. Personally, it gets EPIC when you watch this and the Original as a DOUBLE FEATURE. FUN FACT: John Carpenter DID DIRECT SCENES for HALLOWEEN II. Most notably the CONTACT KILLS and the famous HE KNOWS WHERE SHE IS (The Boombox Kid bump-in scene). DICK WARLOCK, who plays THE SHAPE in this film was the PATROLMAN who ran into BEN TRAMER. The synth-score overlay was done with co-composer ALAN HOWARTH for this film overlaid with the original while working with JC's score for ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK that same year and he continues to develop his mastery scoring throughout the series to PART 6. HALLOWEEN III: SEASON OF THE WITCH is a great (and last entry involvement of the original HALLOWEEN team) film that actually delves into the SAMHAIN mythology...but with a terrifying modern twist....and also...could be a prequel to a futuristic film about a cyborg cop. XD
The guy showing his face is Tony moran he never played myers, he was just him for that one scene to show his face. They cut out his face, because they realized more then likely that not showing his face is better. It is the only mistake the first film made. Carpenter directed most of it, but gave all the credit to rosenthal, who also directed halloween resurrection in 2002 (Which maybe is the worst movie out of all of them). Also the guy that gets out the cop car after killing the kid is the guy playing Myers in this one. His name is dick warlock, greatest name ever.
Carpenter also hated the fact he had to make this sequel, he was only gonna do the first, no sequels. Which would have been awesome to see the bad guy win, as carpenter wrote Myers to be the actual boogeyman that you can't kill. He said Myers is a human, but he has a slight supernatural edge. He wrote the part where they're siblings when he got drunk one night as he had writer's block, and he hated the fact he did that. It's much scarier if he just picked a girl to mess with. This and part 4 are generally considered the best sequels.
Now you have to watch Halloween 4,5,6,h20, resurrection, resurgence, rob zombie 1 and 2 and Halloween 2018 lol
You should check out Halloween 3. It technically isn’t connected to the first two or any sequel afterwards but it’s really fun. This was going to be michael’s last film. And the sequels were gonna be anthologies but Halloween 3 didn’t do so well so they brought back Michael.
There is an alternate ending for Halloween II where Jimmy is also in the ambulance alove with Laurie so i'd assume he is alive. Also be aware of the timelines Halloween 4-6 are sequels to 1&2. Then H20 and Resurrection are sequels for Halloween 1&2, ignorong 4-6
You should react to Halloween 3 even tho it isn’t related to myers.. it’s still a cool Halloween movie. And directed by Tommy Lee Wallace the guy that created the myers mask and produced and made the films
Btw, Michael and Loomis were really supposed to be dead but the producers magically brought them back 😉
Because Michael Myers made money. So the magical power of money brought them back. Thats why John Carpenter walked away from the Halloween franchise. After Halloween 3 until Halloween 2018. Because he was done with Michael Myers after Halloween 2.
Hahaha the magical power of money. 😂 so true
I think Jamie Lee Curtis was wearing a wig, as she had cut her hair between 1978 and the making of Halloween II.
I actually think you should check out the Rob zombie ones eventually. I thought that first one was decent, it's obviously not better than John Carpenter's. I thought Rob zombie's aesthetic was cool. It was his second one that kind of threw me with some plot choices
Halloween 1, 2, and 7 are my favorites.
Nah, the reason why they didn't show Michael's face in the opening scene in this movie was because they'd have to pay Tony Moran, the actor who appeared in that scene in the first movie, for his brief appearance and they didn't want to do that.
Awsome vid as always. You never fail to catch the best stuff. Keep rockin
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Great Eraserhead t-shirt!!!!
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This one was better than the original!
I feel the same!