When BMW R1250GS isn't your best option | R1250GS or R1250RT?
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How to tell that BMW R 1250 GS isn't really for you? Or when to choose the next closest thing? Let's see listing some of the main points of difference between the 2021 BMW R 1250 GS and 2021 BMW R 1250 RT. My Instagram page: / thevtold
The bikes shown in the video belong to BMW Liberty Motors dealership in Piaseczno (Warsaw), Poland and there you can test ride them: libertymotors.pl/
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Interesting discussion, from a GS lover as you seem to be. Just rode the 2021 RT for one hour yesterday, it had been the sort of bike I would have really never considered, but man how wrong I was!!! I just fell in love with it! Previously owned 3 GSs and was about to trade in my current RS for a new GS, but I totally changed my mind! If you are not going to go off road, I mean seriously off road, please do have a go at the RT. Weight magically vanishes as soon as you start moving, the bike is somewhat easier than the GS at any speed, wind protection is significantly better and noise at the helmet significantly less, turn in with the 17" wheel is almost as fast, the ergonomics seem to me more natural - I am 191cm with a 34" inseam and the bike was on the standard seat in the high setting - the bars are wide but not overly so (as they can feel on a GS), the RT is not as top-heavy as the GS is, the ride seems more engaging, more sporty, and the RT has a feel-good factor about it that the GS just does not have. The looks do grow on you and yes you do need to adjust your riding to the inertias of the RT, but for me it was a matter of 5-10 minutes and I was thrashing the hell out of it, brilliant quickshifter btw, and ... well I didn´t want to get off it, honest. In over 20 years of riding and after owning 20 bikes and test-riding a lot of offerings from BMW, Ducati, Triumph etc. this 2021 has shown me that surprises are possible and that preconceptions are often very wrong. Two options that are a MUST for the RT, imho: Riding modes PRO and Dynamic ESA - just stick the two in "Dynamic" and have fun. So for me: sorry GS, but it´s time for an RT.
You've done a better job of selling me an RT than the BMW salesman ;)
@@GS-xg4nz :) honest to God I don't work for them. I'm about to place an order for one, still in doubt about the colour.
Very interesting read. Thank you for sharing your experiences with the GSes and the current RT. I do see the points and why you enjoy the RT - it's a great bike... if it suits what you like. Now what keeps me wondering is how you found the position on the RT which is a more "cramped" motorcycle as it's shorter with a lower seat and requiring you to bend your knees significantly more than any GS. You're a tall man, so I'd expect you to feel more "free" and in control in terms of a position on a GS rather than on an RT. This surprised me in your description. I think that there might've been a good hint to use the ESA and put the bike into the Dynamic mode for the most sporty feeling. Again - if that suits you. On the other hand, if the roads one's riding on are far from perfect, I'm not sure how it would handle. Anyway, this shows that since we all have different preferences, it's every time down to what each of us likes. I couldn't find a reason for me to choose an RT over a GS other than wind protection. But I wouldn't have to care that much about this, so it wouldn't be a selling point for me myself. I highlighted your comment with a "heart" so that others can get familiar with your point of view too.
@@VToldsMotoShow Hey V-Told, I am honoured - I enjoy your vids and your musings, entertaining, fun and relevant. OK, the ergos - I did go into the test thinking the bike was going to be cramped, you and other testers had raised this point. Fact of the matter is, the ergos felt so natural the moment I got on. Maybe I am used to a more active riding position? I currently own a 2012 R1200R with the 830mm comfort seat fitted, and a 2018 R1200RS with the 840mm sport seat, so maybe it´s my muscle memory. The arm position also felt more natural - on the GS after a spirited ride my shoulders would feel fatigued, on the RT both the width and the sweep of the bars felt just right. My stats.: 78kg, 191cm, 34" (89cm) inseam, 67cm sleeve... I am totally in agreement with you, no matter how many reviews one might read, there is no substitute for actually testing the bike in person - motorcycling is about emotion - thoroughly subjective. Anyways... I just put an order in for the RT, with the optional tall seat (835mm). I will try and post an update when it arrives. In the meantime, keep them vids coming in 2022!
I rode an RT for the first time today. Ridden a few GS, currently own an 21 S1000XR. I loved the RT. A bit cramped but turned out the seat was on the low position. Was really amazed by the bike, moreso than I expected so yes, your sentiment is spot on.
I Bought the RT, instead of the GS, because 1) I never ride off road and 2) imo it looks beautiful, compared to the GS.
I did the same due to same reasons.
I bought the RT and couldn’t live with the looks, so I bought a GS! each to their own I guess. RT was a great bike tho.
Owned both a R1200GSA and R1250RT. Love them both! Different strokes for different folks...I mostly stopped riding on dirt so I moved to the RT. In America, I would guess that less than 50% of GS/GSA tires ever see a dirt road...in Europe, it is probably a lot less. Final factors are my height (5'8" with 28" inseam) and age (75). RT is just easier to ride. If you are going to ride on asphalt, ride in style...just saying.
Thanks for sharing and it all makes a lot of sense.
Nice review. I like your style which is informative and entertaining. I am a bit biased here because I own a 2017 1200GS exclusive and I just love it. Yes, I wish it had better wind protection but a different windscreen can take care of that. Other than that, the GS is perfect for me. I love the riding position which is all-day comfortable and it handles so nicely. It rides like a lighter bike than it really is. Plus if I want to take a dirt or gravel road, no problem! The biggest drawback of the GS for me is when it comes time to clean it. I mean it get dirty everywhere and is a big chore to wash and clean. A blower/dryer is a must have for this bike.
Had my R1100RT for 22 year’s,have owned all types of bike’s but always kept the RT,and still love riding it even in the UK winter will never part with it.Have friends with GS’s and they love them but the electric screen and saddle of a seat makes down to the Mediterranean a joy.
Appreciated the video. Good content considering I am actualy trying to decide between these two models. Thanks.
I'm glad it was helpful to you. All the best with this PLEASANT time of choosing between two great motorcycles.
Thanks V-Told, you confirmed what I've been feeling about my RT. I have a 2021 RT that I purchased because I thought it would be a comfortable touring machine. I can't get comfortable on long rides with it. My knees start to hurt after a couple of hours and the seating position puts a lot of pressure on my tail bone. I just made a deal to get a new GS based on your video. Hopefully I'm a lot more comfortable on longer rides. Plus, I get the added bonus of going off the beaten path.
I'm glad that this might help you to find a better way of commuting on two wheels. I've got one more idea - perhaps you could ask some dealer nearby (hopefully the one that you purchased your RT from) to rent you a higher seat. This will also affect the distance from the foot rests, making it easier on your knees thanks to a different angle. I'd try that regardless of switching to a GS as this might confirm the reasons of discomfort and a possible solution to that. I hope this helps.
Great analogy of the comparison to the automobiles you chose.
Thank you! I find this video, and the other one GS vs GS Adventure, very very helpful.
I'm glad it's helpful to you. All the best!
Hi from Rome, Italy. Thank you for all the videos. After 3 GS (2 STD, 1 ADV) in 12 years I've just ordered the new RT 1250. Let's see what happen.......
Hi! Thanks for sharing this and I hope that you'll love the RT now. Best of luck with it, especially after so many years with GS bikes. It's really cool to see that you're trying an in fact very different motorcycle now.
Allora come è questa RT 1250?
Love the new RT and the bigger dash and the power screen and the better weather protection and it’s easier to just buy good road tyres than trying to compromise on tyres to get them to do two jobs reasonably well. But I bought the GSA, it is just works so well and has more leg room.
Leg room is where there's a huge difference. Totally right.
A really great analogy between both bikes, I am currently riding a 2019 GSA which I bought with 500 miles on the clock, it’s a great bike but I had an extended test ride on a 2023 RT, I loved it but I just can’t decide whether to jump ship to the RT, as one of your other viewers commented, the comparison you make between SUVs is spot on, I really enjoyed your post but unfortunately still have no idea what to do 🤔
Hi!
Thanks for the video. Clear explanations!
I bought the 1250 RT in March 2021. (Model 2019, but it was waiting for me, for two years, shining in the showroom).
I did own a 2005 1200RT before and put more than 160,000 km. on the clock. I really considered to buy a GSA and made a testdrive on it in June 2020. Although it is, without a doubt, a more playful bike, I was disappointed by the wind-protection and the comfort on the highways.
So the decision was made in favor of the new RT. The GS looks so much tougher, but apparently I'm more of a luxury pussy than I wanted others to believe 😉.
Aint nothing t like traVeling on the RT. And when i want to go trugeing thru the woods or any off roadling, i got the jeep wrangler.
Best of both worlds!
u rolled right over the big difference between them. On the RT u just go ridein. When u a thousand miles from home n the 3 day storm blows in on ya, do u hole up for days or keep ridein? The RT ROLLS ON!
Hello from Ohio, USA. I went from an F800 GS (66,000 miles) to an 2021 RT. I was really torn between the GS and the RT. Specifically because of the idea that on a GS, there is literally no road or trail I can’t go down. If I’m off riding in the country and decide to turn on to a side road that quickly turns into gravel, the GS sails right through it.
That said, I have taken the RT on to gravel roads multiple times now. It’s easy to stand up on the pegs and though the tires my be road tires, I am actually pretty comfortable riding the RT on gravel or packed dirt roads. I do love the RT, the sportiness and the fun that I have in the twisties. The bike basically rides itself.
Greatly appreciate your comment as the one I just posted literally touches on this very dilemma! I guess the thing I need to remind myself is that really, most bikes CAN go off road on dirt trails if you aren’t going over larger rocks and crazier terrain. And if I’m being honest with myself, even if I had a GS or similar option, would I even take those more extreme roads? Very likely not due my lack of dirt riding experience.
@@benwells2338 I did add some cylinder head covers, and engine bars as well to the RT. Just in case. 🤣
I also use my rt on gravel and land. With care and slowly becaise the tires, but you can use it without any problem.
I really like the RT. Most of the comments I think are a fine line. The nice thing about the GS is the ability to quicky jump off road and handle terrain even for an off-road novice like me can easily handle. Great point on the maneuverability of the GS. I definitely feel the difference in slow speed management, and I think the GS even handles better at slow to medium speeds. Above that, the RT just takes over. It seems a bit smoother and more comfortable on the highway. The TFT is amazing, though you may spend more time in it than the GS while riding. Both bikes are click happy and easy to get lost in while riding. The RT creates bubble where it is quiet, and you can hear your comms. It handles superbly. It is very agile and has a more distinct difference when changing ride modes (road to dynamic). There is a reason for that. The road issue is not an issue for me. Sure, a big bump is smoothed out better on the GS. Both are great on rough roads. The RT gets 5 to 10 percent better fuel milage too. The RT has 30 lbs. of bags from the factory and the GS has no brackets or bags. The weight is not that much different. I feel that difference in the handlebars, but for me I feel no disconnection whatsoever on the RT. That is a y'all thing. For me, it is a non-issue unless I am off road. I like riding long distances, so the RT wins easily. They both look great. They are such great bikes and so close in comparison, you can’t make a bad choice. What kind of riding do you want to do? The RT gets a 9.9 and the GS gets a 9.8, for me. I will Keep the RT and my KLX300. (My wife says I must narrow down to one bike: NOT!). So much to be said, but a lot of it was covered in the video. It will be a sad day when the GS goes. Nice job on the video. Thanks.
Huge thanks for sharing your impressions of the two bikes. I see that there are many similarities in the way we feel about these two BMWs. I think it will be very helpful to those who are trying to make their decision. Cheers!
Brawo Panie V-Told.
Slyszalem akcent od poczatku ale dopiero po rejestracji sie zorientowalem ze to rodem z Polski video a tym bardziej mine uradowalo kiedy zobaczylem maze canalu gdyz to twoje video mine zachecilo do kupna vstroma :)
Dzięki! Tak jest i to jest Polska! :)
@@VToldsMotoShow Thank You Poland for everything you are doing for Ukraine. Poland is Number One in my Book out of all the European Countries in NATO. I would Love to Visit Poland someday.👍👍❤️
I had R1200GSA on which I made 50.000km in 3 years touring around europe. All on road. In my opinion great tourer. But whenever I rode R1200RT, I always loved it. Same as gs but different. I explored a little bit offroad with gsa and it was scary experience with the weight of the bike. Now I have 2 KTMs that I take on enduro and offroad rides. Trust me lighter is always better offroad. And for touring with wife and weekend rides, now I think I will get finally the RT. I like riding all year round, so wind protection and comfort is high on list of demands. Always liked to look of RT.
Thanks V-told for very nice and honest review. After a long thinking and several test drives I decided to buy a RT 21. In my opinion the strongest advantages of GS is its higher second hand value and easy to sell out. But if you don’t plan to sell in a short time RT has a lot of advantages. Hovewer altough GS is cheaper than RT but dont forget at consider about cost of two side boxes. I decided ton RT because I prefer to ride on road and the tools makes the ride comfortable, such are power screen, windshield, CC, storages, audio, large TFT. Also RT is much good looking than GS. I am very confident that I made a perfect choice.
Right, there are features that you won't find in a GS but they are there in an RT as you mentioned. As long as the sitting position suits you on an RT, then it's got really cool stuff. There's a reason that police forces around the world love these motorcycles too.
Excellent as always, thank you.
Thanks and I'm glad that you like it.
Thanks for the video - great presentation style. I have a GS but RT's weather protection tempts me as I ride all year in North Scotland. Looks like it would be a handful to move around the garage though. I'm no spring chicken ;) Cheers
I'm glad you liked the video! You're riding in beautiful places! Perhaps a bit rainy sometimes but definitely with stunning views. A good windshield would do good both on an RT and a GS. However, the side fairings and those large mirrors provide exceptional protection that a GS cannot match. However, the Adventure version of it should do a bit of a better job thanks to its wide fuel tank covering the legs better. All the best!
totally agree about the leg angle, my knees are shot from from football and biking, and the gs knee postion is far better - i would also put on touratech low pegs - that helps
Oh, a good point with the low foot pegs! Thanks for mentioning that as many of us may find it super helpful. As long as they don't lean too much in the corners on twisty mountain roads of course. But hey, that's 1% of time or less. Thanks again!
Great review.. all your points were right on the money. Actually, i am a short rider ,riding a GS with lowered suspension. The only time i ride off.road , is by Enduro training 😂. Nonetheless, i find the riding position( especially the knee angle) and handling absolute top. I feel comfortable even after long rides. Plus, i like the image of an adventure bike compared with a touring motorcycle…absolutely superficial and absolutely important! Despite the less effective wind protection as compared to the RT, the GS is a great touring bike and if you are like me, there is still the 5% probability of going off-road. Perhaps the potential of the gs is more in my head than reality, but imotorcycling has more to do with passion and potential than reason, that’s why we love it!!! Thank you for the wonderful content.
I actually do perceive this case very much like yourself, including that 5% probability of going off-road and then on a bike like GS it's much more pleasant. And the image - 100% my thinking too! Thanks a lot for sharing!
How tall are you? I'm 5'9" and i'm trying to decide between 'GSA with standard suspension' and 'GSA with Lowered suspension'. Do you feel there are any negatives to the lowered suspension?
@@RoamingWithRobert I am 5ˋ7 …i am amazed how even the lowered suspension evens out all the bumps. I also have a lowered seat by replacing the original sprockets with smaller ones. I can now flat foot the maschine. Also. The pre-load on the suspension allows you to adjust to minimum or maximum which also affects the height of the maschin. Perhaps, you should ask your dealer if they have a lowered suspension model for a test ride. Good luck…..it is a wonderful bike!
This was helpful, I am trying to decide between the GSA and the RT. I do like the weather protection of the RT. Trying to find some GSA's to rent, but mostly finding GS
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. All the best with your search for GSAs.
I have an RT and like it for its practical weather protection. For me it is primary transportation and I am very happy with it. Average speed for me is 75 to 80 mph at higher speeds I believe the advantage is to the RT. The GS with bags was a close choice as was the RS with bags. One other thing that makes a difference is the size of the rider regarding wind and weather protection. A rider that is thinner might be quite at home on either the RS or the GS with regard to wind protection, if you wear a 3xl jacket you will appreciate the wide fairing on touring bikes more than the rider that wears a large. Great points in the video and making choices based on what fits rider and his/her needs and intended use. The knee bend comments tend to be more subjective as I think it depends more on what one has gotten used to over the years. For example I rode lots of sport bikes and Japanese bikes and the bend in the knee feels normal to me. I owned a Yamaha road star for a while and the feet forward dentist chair seating position was just something I could not put up with.
It may not be common for RT/GS riders to ride sports bikes, so perhaps generally the topic of a knee angle is slightly easier to determine here with legs more stretched meaning more comfortable. Still, totally right about the speeds and wind protection. The only question is how big of a deal that is to a rider. But an RS - now that was an interesting consideration.
Thank you for the video. I own a GSA and have ridden the RT1250 extensively. I owned an RT (2005) to commute even. The RT is a bit more cramped for the long legged. So for me the GSA is more comfortable. Especially the tank of the RT is annoying as the rim that sticks out is too low en sits on the height of my knees.
Thanks for the insights - so we can confirm that in general an RT could be more suitable for shorter riders than tall, and it's the opposite with a GS. Thanks!
Where I struggle with in making such comparisons for myself, more so between bikes like the GS versus the XR, is that I don’t want to be out on some tour, come across a dirt road and think to myself, if only I had a dirt ready bike to explore down that path. Reality of that happening though in my own experience is that that scenario honestly rarely happens. I’d likely be better served with a road focused adventure touring bike but ahh! That “what if?”, it kills me! You know life is plush when these sorts of decisions rule your day…😅
90% of the so called „offroad“ rides can be done with any bike! You don‘t need a GS (99% of GS have 100% street tires)
That’s why you pick up a KLR 650 for cheap and go find those off the beaten path roads…
This is EXACTLY why when I recently came home from a road trip to the GA mountains I decided to visit my local dealer to explore trading in my k1600b in for a GSA.
And then I sat on a new 2022 r1250rt triple black......
Hi from Texas. I grew up Riding Motorcross, Enduros, and every size of Street Bike. Then went on to Riding Harleys. I actually Traded my Harley for a GS. I think it’s the Best Motorcycle ever made. It’s so comfortable, agile, and feels like your Riding a smaller Enduro. Once the Wheels start Rolling, you don’t feel any Weight. I also like the fact that you can Tour comfortably and go play in the Dirt with it. The Telelever Front Suspension is incredible. The Engine is very easy to Access and Work on. Maintenance is easy, and the crash Bars protect the Bike if you do fall. The reliability of the Boxer Engine is Legendary and you can easily put 100,000 Miles on it and still have a Great Bike. Thanks for the Video, Great Job.👍👍
Hi! And well, this about says it all and I can confirm all the points. Not sure about the maintenance as I don't touch this topic at all anymore but the rest - 100% agreed! Cheers!
The knee angle on the RT is why I went with a K1600. On the K1600 I had a load of options for highway pegs. Kinda feels like I’m doing a split when I’m splayed out with my legs going around the crash bars and onto the pegs.
Wow, this sounds interesting. Especially today, when BMW unveiled the new K1600 series. I wasn't aware of an option of the highway pegs in this bike. Interesting thing to learn! Thanks for sharing!
For 2 up touring the RT would probably be the better choice, but for everything else it's got to be the GS. It's lighter and cheaper too with better visability due to it's higher seat and wider handlebars. On hot days at least you can get some airflow around you on the GS too. You said the RT was like a car, why would you want a bike that's like a car? Maybe if you're using it in all weather situations because of it's better weather protection but the GS has enough of that for me anyway for the type of riding I do. If you're a shortie and that's putting you off a GS there's always the factory lowered version-I'm on my 3rd one😉
I agree with you about the brakes ! 👍
As interesting as it is, right?
Also the hill start assist on either bike means the shorter among us can now easily put either foot down depending on the best camber and still have full brake control over the bike.👍
Not sure if that changes anything in your perception of this feature but it requires two things - first to step on that rear brake in order to activate the hill start assist, and then it needs a fairly quick reaction as it only stays engaged for some short time. I believe it may be a few seconds and then it disengages. I think that in theory this is how it works.
@@VToldsMotoShow engages with the front brake and stays on until you activate either brake or twist the throttle….
I had a ‘16 1200 GSA and just recently got a ‘22 1250 RT. I switched because I found myself riding more on the asphalt, AND in contrast to your opinion, I actually am happier to be sitting closer to the ground.
Usually the more relaxed the knee angle is, the more comfortable it is and it's considered this way. Try to lay down with your legs stretched and then go and crouch. See which feels more comfortable. For shorter riders, there may be enough leg comfort on an RT already, but that stands in opposition to the general rule in this particular area.
In the US, touring bikes are 950 lb. Indians, 900 lb. Harleys or 850 to 900 lb. Goldwings. At 615 lbs wet the RT is considered a middleweight bike. I’m 70 years old and have short legs. I also ride with a passenger most of the time and went with the RT.
Thanks for sharing this. I believe that comparing to some other heavy "horses", RT may feel like a toy when riding it. It's definitely not a toy but that feeling doesn't make it sacrifice stability etc.
I’m glad I came across this as I am an older rider with neck and back problems. I was looking at the RT for it’s comfort and added benefits. I’m 186cm and am now thinking that the RT maybe a bit cramped for me. Unfortunately because of availability due to COVID my local dealer hasn’t got bikes I can test. Maybe I need to change my thinking
Both have their advantages in the area of comfort. I believe that a GS can cope better with more rough roads while the RT for example thanks to it being heavier, will feel more like a tank when riding on a highway. Weather protection in the area of shoulders and legs will be definitely better in an RT due to its large fairings. This help when it's raining. On a GS you can't do anything about it. On the other hand, one's legs may appreciate that their legs are more stretched on a GS due to a larger distance between the seat and its foot pegs comparing to an RT. So there are those elements that need consideration. And if you're already considering it, then sitting and riding both bikes for some time is definitely the best thing you can do. Especially since it's a significant amount of money to put on the table, which likely makes the decision even more important.
I also have Back and Neck problems. 4 Fusions in my Neck, 2 in my lower Back, and also a Medtronic’s Pain Pump. The GS puts me in the perfect position where I can Ride and not hurt. It’s the only Bike I can Ride without hurting.
I used to think I'd never need an adventure bike. The problem is most of the best "paved" backroads and even urban areas have tank-trap sized potholes that pretty much bring a "GS" back into the picture.
The truth of the matter is most motorcyclists these days, while they don't intentionally ride off-road, will almost certainly encounter riding conditions where a more durable bike with long suspension travel makes sense.
The term "tank-trap sized potholes" gave me a good laugh - thanks! And yes, an adventure bike may give us this confidence in commuting, I totally agree. Longer suspension travel gives you also additional comfort. Some adventure bikes like the big GS, Ducati Multistrada an some others stay very stable and nimble at the same time so there aren't many drawbacks if any! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
@@VToldsMotoShow another thing I've noticed with ADV bikes is visibility. Most people like to sit "in" a motorcycle but there really is something to be said for the higher upright ADV visibility. To me it almost has the feel on a knight on top a Percheron going in to battle.
You not only see the car in front of you but see over it and several cars ahead. At stop lights you're even at level with bigger SUVs and pickup trucks. You see everyone and are more likely to BE seen.
I just think if you factor in the urban landscape, which as I said is an ADV terrain at times on its own, factored in with the improved visibility, these bikes make more sense to guys and gals who do heavy commuting, more especially with they're professionals with laptops and stuff they want kept dry.
BmwR1250RT is preferred for high speed road touring in all type's of weather.The R1250GS is more of an all-around road surface bike but lacks the weather protection at speed compared to the RT.
Good point - it may feel more quiet and relaxing during a long ride too because of that additional wind protection. Not sure about the speed in terms of maintaining or reaching it, but again, being hidden behind more wind protection may let one ride at higher speeds comfortably. I guess that this might've been your point and I agree that it may be an advantage.
Without a doubt you get A brilliant bike with Either of the GS, GSA or RT. Some points, The Electric screen and Adaptive control are no longer limited to RT in this conversation,
The RT's more negative points -1. lane splitting is limited by the Side mirror positions (at car side mirror height) & the 2. knee angle that becomes an issue on 2 hr+ rides has been a deal breaker for many.
excellent comparison in a very fair and factual manor.
-Had both (current GSA daily User)
Love your comparison absolutely spot on and I really think it with help a lot of people make there mind up better 👍 M
I'm glad you find it helpful and thanks a lot for mentioning that.
I had an opportunity to ride an RT and enjoyed it immensely, but when it came time to buy I went with the GS just personal preference.
The RT is a minivan? Not hardly. The RT equivalent to a 7series BMW or a Mercedes AMG. It eats miles comfortably in luxury and still thrashes in the canyons.
You did hit on some of the reasons I bought the RT over a GS.
I’m short
I’m 65 years old.
Rode a lot of dirt when younger and no longer want to beat myself up.
I usually ride solo, so picking up a GS on a gravely hillside would be difficult to impossible.
I live in America and with the years I have left I could never ride all the asphalt roads on my bucket list.
If I bought the GS to go down a gravel road or two I’d spend 99 percent of my riding time wishing I had the RT. That a bad trade off.
When I have an itch to go off road I load an actual enduro onto my trailer and ride the 280 pound bike instead of the 600 pound monster.
But that’s just me, your mileage may vary.
Thanks for sharing! I like the way you described your decision-making process in this case. In terms of how the RT rides and feels, it could indeed be an equivalent to a 7-Series or an S-Class, but in terms of the way it looks, well...
@@VToldsMotoShow
Ha! Yes beauty is subjective! Great video btw!
Sometimes I like to cut the wind and sometimes I want to tear through, my friend!
At the moment I am torn between the GS and the RT but at the moment the RT is slightly ahead because I plan to do plenty of long distance touring with plenty of luggage. Who knows, tomorrow the GS might be ahead in the argument in my mind.
Some would say: "why not take both then?". But in many areas they're so similar or even the same.
The 2021 RT has a hill assistant, very useful some times. Greetings from California...
Yup, that's totally true! Cheers!
gsa all the way after few year gsa keep the value better. better leg room for tall people. in my opinion. nice video super good work
Thanks and I'm happy that you enjoyed the video. Your points are all very true and helpful. Thank you for sharing!
Brakes on the GS will be tuned partly for off-road work when you'd want them to be softer - initially at least. I have an R1200R which is brilliant but I'm getting old and need more weather protection so I'm probably going to opt for the RT. That's why I'm watching your film which I've enjoyed. I'm the same size as you so your observations are pertinent.
Interesting, I'm "old" too, 60 in May. I have a 2018 GS Rallye, but had the R1250R as a loan bike - it blew me away! Wind noise was clean at 75/80mph and OK for 1-2 hour rides but for longer rides, I think my next bike will be the 19/20 plate1250GS Rallye. I love the idea of the RT's weather protection but I'm not an all-day motorway rider so doesn't really make sense. Many people think the RS is ignored, I love the look of it but prefer the GS riding position, better visibility - plus, even though I don't go off-road, the roads around here are a mess and pot-holed so GS wins there too. Toyed with the idea of an R as a 2nd bike (Currently have a V7 for town) but it seems a bit indulgent. Actually, very indulgent. My V7 was only £5K and is a hoot. Cheers.
@@GS-xg4nzWe're a similar vintage. I was 61 this month. I live in North Wales which is either Baltic or aquatic. Recently it's been both. Most things pass North Wales by, and that seems to include global warming. An hour or two's blast on a Sunday morning on the R is fine, but I can't face the ride down to London and back while flying in the face of the elements. So I'm going belt and braces for the RT's fairing. Once I've got it, I'll have no excuse to keep putting off a ride down to Morocco or Tenerife. Crossed America on a bike when I was young and for some reason have to prove I can do something similar now (?) Season's Greetings & good luck for 2022.
For super long rides, likely you'd appreciate the RT's overall wind protection with a large windshield (electrically adjustable), deflectors and additional fairings. I believe that there has always been a possibility of staying fairly dry on RTs during light rain - this includes pants and boots. I don't think that this is possible on a GS, even the Adventure. So if that's your priority, then it should do a great job. It's also lower than a GS. On the other hand, your legs are bent a bit more and this may bo considered as a downside. For a perfect experience, I'd still replace the new RT's original windshield with an aftermarket, taller one. All the best!
@@trailingarm63 Cheers, just saw this.....test riding an RT soon :)
I am 1,70m and prefer the RT.
However, here in Brasil (yes with S 😉) RT costs 2 times more than GS.
GS. 20-22k usd.
RT 39-41k usd. Both New.
There are around 1000 GS in used market and 30 RT for sale.
Very Nice vídeo
Greetings from 🇧🇷
Oh dear, the price difference it ridiculous, I had no idea that this is even possible. Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
I own a 2018 R1200GSA with the low suspension and I ride a 2018 R1200RTP (police bike) for work. Before buying my GSA I owned a 2016 R1200RT. I am however thinking about getting the new R1250RT. I am 5'10" tall and when we do long training rides (200+ miles) we start getting cramps in our knees while riding the RTP's. When I ride my GSA this is not an issue.
Thanks Gene, nice to see comments from someone who owns and has ridden both. I agree the main reason for the GS for me would be legroom. Waiting until 2022 or 23 to see if the GS comes out with adaptive cruise and the larger TFT on th RT
Hey, I just noticed your comment, Mike. It seems like the GS will get adaptive cruise control. As for a bigger display, like in an RT for example, I actually put it on a wishlist for BMW in my upcoming video next weekend. You may be interested in seeing it.
I have a Tiger 900 all kitted out for off-road and a K1600 for touring. However, I do want the option to explore some dirt, nothing like I would attack on the Tiger, but I do want the option to explore dirt roads when I encounter them. However, I often do 300-400 miles/day and the wind protection makes a big difference. Torn between a GSA, the new Multistrada, or sticking with the K1600.
What we know for sure is that no encounters with dirt will go the right way when you're on K1600 but GSA or Multi will do just fine. You're choosing out of the best ones I see. However, I have a feeling that both of these may seem to you just like slightly larger (and much more powerful) Tiger 900, so I wonder if having two similar bikes would actually make that much sense. It's an interesting case - I've got to give you that.
@@VToldsMotoShow I also have a track bike and a Ninja ZX14r so I like to ride different, albeit it similar and somewhat overlapping, styles. K1600 is a handful even on a hardback dirt road.
For highway legs I put a Wunderlich crash bars on and then put pegs onto that. Even when I leave them out, I scrape the pegs first so they never really get in the way.
I have owned 2X GS and an RT. The RT is a far better road bike. The 17 inch front wheel and the steeper steering head angle mean that it handles better in the twisties than the GS.
The RT is also geared higher - it is much smoother on the highway, as the engine doesn't have to rev as hard as the GS.
The GS is a better all rounder, but if you want a bike to do distance, the RT is unbeatable.
I checked the gear ratios on some independent site and they state that gearing is the same in the current R1250GS and R1250RT. This is not certain information but BMW doesn't share any data here, so I cannot confirm its accuracy. But I didn't feel any difference in gearing myself. The easiest test would be to see how fast one and the other one can go in certain gears and the same RPM.
@@VToldsMotoShow The RT has a higher final drive ratio.
Being a short rider the RT makes sense but I wouldn’t change my low chassis GS for anything. I’m confident with not flat footing, I rarely take a pillion and what I lose by being short I gain on knee angle whilst riding. GS or GSA every time for me.
Good job by BMW for offering the lowered suspension for the big GS. I do get where your decision comes from and I think I'd choose the same path. And a good point on the knee angle!
@@VToldsMotoShow it’s a great machine. I wouldn’t be without it…
Having a Versys 650 my first year of riding, I tried some different bigger bikes. I’m going GS. When on longer rides, the knee angle is a big factor for me
Right, knee angle is what's so sweet about taller adventure motorcycles like a GS.
Bought a 2016 RT in part because I am 5’ 11” but only have a 30in inseam. After seven years, considering a change. One gripe I have with the RT is that it can have too much wind protection. In the summer it can get way too hot as you get no wind on your legs. You can always put a rain suit on when it rains to protect your self from the elements, so not sure you need so much protection from the bike.
So it's for a specific use but in general riders appreciate such good wind protection down low of the RT series and I get it.
Great comparison and analysis. I chose the GS and have no regrets. While I seldom go off pavement, I prefer country roads that are often not so smooth. The GS handles everything. And if I decide to travel the gravel, I can.
Nice! I'm glad that you're enjoying the chosen one. One really cannot go wrong with the GS. Cheers!
From GS Adventure users, they all say that the big gas tank makes huge wind protection but in summer it makes it feel like hell as it doesn't make any wind pass for the legs.
That sounds like it could be the case. I don't remember very well what it's like on an Adventure but a larger fairing should indeed enhance wind protection. Anyhow, one usually gets an Adventure to hit the road and cover a lot of distance at once, so perhaps users still find it mostly beneficial. Purely from the comfort perspective, it should help, right?
My reason is the RT being less common than the GS. I like being different and standing out. Also in my country they price the GS MUCH higher than the RT obviously due to it's popularity.
Have you ridden a Yamaha FJR 1300? I'm trying to decide between the RT and the FJR. I accept the RT will be more comfortable on an open road (and better mpg) but the FJR looks narrower for filtering. I find both bikes comfortable but looking at your film I don't fancy nursing an RT through gaps like that.
Nope, I haven't ridden the FJR. It's a legendary name but definitely not my type of bike. Hey, there's a reason that police forces usually prefer RT bikes to all others, even when they're serving in the cities. The width isn't usually an issue since it's the handlebar that's the widest part of the bike almost always anyway. RT is super nimble for its weight and - still without having ridden the FJR - I doubt that it would match the ease of handling that RT provides. But that's just a guess. I'd say try the RT now, even a brand new one as it represents well how all of them behave (if you're actually looking for a used one).
I chose the gs with crash bars because I knew I would fall with it one day and that has already happened 2x. happily stationary. 2nd reason is the large aluminum cases that are on it. I never have enough storage space. 3rd I am almost 2 meters and like to put the suspension on its highest position. harder to steal for the shorter thieves.
Oh yes, you're tall and this could really be an obstacle on an RT, so at this height you most likely have made a much better decision. You might've felt cramped otherwise with an unpleasant sensation in your legs due to a knee angle on an RT. The thieves reason... well, I haven't thought of that myself so thanks for sharing. Cheers!
Enjoyed your video . I will taking an Edelweiss tour in Croatia next year May 30 2022 June 6 2022 . Edelweiss highly Recommends the 1250 GS . I will
Be riding two up . They did say it would be more comfortable two up on the RT . I had a Goldwing previously. What would your recommendation be . The tour is on good Roads Croatia , Montenegro , Bosnia
I'm glad you liked the video and since you've got some extra time before your trip, if I were in your shoes, I'd take the passenger and go test ride both bikes at a nearest BMW dealership. This would be the ultimate way to take as there are so many factors like what your and your passenger's postures are, how much luggage you're going to take and what exactly the roads will be (I assume tarmac). Both bikes (RT and GS) are comfy to sit on but there are differences in working your way around them that my present a significant impact if you're about to make a longer trip. Some people choose an RT for specific reasons and some choose GS for others. The question is what will matter to you on that trip.
Having owned many of both GS and RT, I can confidently say that in Australia with their regional roads the GS is the best choice.
Thanks for sharing, Paul. Australia seems to be a very unique place to be in and ride a motorcycle. I see your point with the regional roads and what you pointed out definitely makes a lot of sense! Cheers!
I've heard if your long in the leg the lower riding position on the RT makes it uncomfortable over long distances compared to the GS. Which is strange considering it's a touring bike for covering miles.
Taller riders sometimes go with higher seats and peg lowering kits to make the RT more comfortable for long trips.
I haven't tried the 2021 RT yet, but currently have the 2014 (and had the previous model before that). I have had various models of the GS as tester motorcycles when I've had mine serviced, so have been able to compare the two. I am 6'4" (1m90), and regularly ride 400-600km in a day without any issues whatsoever, be it with my legs or back. Having the radio for traffic announcements is really useful too so I can avoid traffic jams on the fly.
Right, this may be an issue yet still there's an option of getting a taller seat. I guess that it doesn't make wind protection much better then, so it may help to raise the handlebar too and then to get a taller windshield too.
I bought an RT but love the GS and it is obvious why as you have explained. To re-enter the world of moto i thought an RT with the top case would possibly get the wife on it and not be afraid of sliding off the back. She is not willing and I still want a GS as well to tear off into the muck if I want to or simply have to.
Hi Witold, some time ago, I brought this debate to you: RT or GSA. I finally got my bike in November 2022, after being told by my wife, I had to wait until I got my Teachers’ Pension, which coincided with my 60th birthday. (I’m not the typical 60 year old, mind! I still play football with guys between 20-40 years younger than myself, and still compete aggressively!) I bought an RT. The logic was for all the things you stated at the start of this video. When I bought it, I had a 320km/200mile round commute 3 days a week, in all weathers, mostly on motorway. So the RT made sense from the weather protection, radar and central locking and included luggage.
To get the spec I wanted, due to the situation in Eastern Europe, I couldn’t buy a new RT. BMW was only selling stock, and they all had the radio, which for me, is not something I’d ever consider, or I might without the speakers! Anyway, it also meant waiting for the right bike and I was very lucky because my dealer received an RT with all Option 719 bits except for paint and saddle, with engine bars, lowered pegs, and the Akropovic exhaust, with the all important radar. The dealer kept this for 2 months on good faith that I’d buy the bike, which I did…I never break a promise, integrity is the only thing they can’t take from you!
So, my job, means I’m off over the holiday breaks, or more precisely when Uni students are off. So, since November 2022, I’ve put 7,500 miles/12,000km on it. I rode for 1 month, then after 14th December, didn’t go (physically) to work until 1st February. Then I started commuting again, and stopped at the beginning of May. So basically, in 5/6 months, I’ve done that mileage. These are my POSITIVE observations:
1) ACC (Radar cruise) is a life saver.
2) The weather protection is superb
3) Passive safety from road presence is superb
4) Luggage capacity (I negotiated a full size top case, though it had the pizza oven (little BMW case))
5) When working (works properly now) the sat nav is first rate
6) Qi (wifi) Phone charger is great
7) Control system is superb (after acclimatisation)
8) Electric screen great weather protection and “ventilation” on hot days
9) Lights are superb
10) TFT screen is superb, especially in bright sunshine
11) ECO mode is enough is every day riding
12) DYNAMIC is scary….but massive fun!
13) Dynamic and no panniers is great fun
14) Handling is safe and predictable
NEGATIVE OBSERVATIONS:
1) It’s uncomfortable on your knees (as you stated)
2) It’s sh1t to clean because the cylinder heads are faired in
3) Suspension travel isn’t enough for cr@ppy UK roads
4) Taking the top box off is a pain
5) Wife is moaning about her knees on the back too!
I love riding my bike and with the new ULEZ zone coming into force in the London area in Aug 2023, it makes sense. It makes even more sense when you find out that EVs, hybrids etc, in fact everyone except motorbikes, has to pay ULEZ from December 2025! My wife complains about her knees on the back and she’s 15 years younger and 170cm, and a gym bunny, not an ounce of excess weight on her, so it’s not because of physique. The pegs on mine have been lowered…..and the bike hits the sensor on the peg at only 37 degrees!……I can’t pretend to be Rossi on roundabouts! You see that’s the problem with lowered pegs. As for my knees, if the (standard) seat is at its maximum at 825mm, the issue (pain) goes with the lowered pegs. That’s probably around 830mm/840mm, I don’t know how much extra the lower pegs get you………THEY’RE NOT THE ANSWER. The answer is BUY the bike with a HIGHER seat if you 183cm or taller (I am 183cm). That way, you won’t be getting a fright, as I did when the pegs hit ground the first time. I reckon even aftermarket high seat is about the same price as the Wünderlich peg lowering kit.
So the long and short of it is this. When the R1300GS Adventure has been out around a year, circa 2025, that’s my next bike. I’ll forego the central locking and “free” luggage for the comfort of the GSA ergonomics. If you live in Switzerland or China, where they s-end money on roads, the RT makes sense. If you have to spend your life swerving and praying to avoid potholes because your Government prefers to spend money pretending it has global influence, buy the GSA!
I meant to say since February 2023, my commute is now only 200km/120miles a day, 3 times a week, when I need to go to work.
Thanks a lot for getting back with the follow-up then. It's an interesting insight into what it looks like from your perspective. I wonder about the taller seat vs lowered foot pegs topic and a taller seat influences also wind protection and whole upper body position. Then you may find yourself willing to raise the handlebar for example. With the foot pegs, yeah, then there's scraping them at larger leans, so at the end... a thing like a GS is a solution to this and some other issues. Of course also sacrificing some other features.
@@VToldsMotoShow Hi Witold, thanks for the reply. I was out on a GS adventure whilst my RT was having the quick shift recalibrated (yes it is is a thing!) and a loose connection sorted. I was blown away by the GS Adventure.
As I said, I test rode a GSA in October 2020 after lockdown or before, who can remember? Anyway, the problem, which I didn’t realise at the time, was, that that was my first ride after being off a bike for 9 years. It’s a daunting bike to go on, even after 80k miles plus experience prior to giving up. Add to that I had my wife on the back (for approval of purchase) and she started crying because of all the lorries on the fast roads out of the dealer, to add to the tension. My wife soon enjoyed it after I threatened to throw her off whilst moving…kidding, I went to take her home via country, village roads and she really enjoyed it and didn’t go home.
So it wasn’t really the best time to try the GSA. Anyway, last Thursday, I did about 150 miles on a GSA. I loved it! I loved it to the point where I realised I’d made a mistake buying the RT.
Firstly, I’ve had a left hip replaced, I had 5 cervical vertebra re-profiled and 2 discs removed, and I am riddled with arthritis from years of sports. I also need my right hip replacing and 2 shoulders replacing! So, after the technician adjusted the gear selector so my Daytonas and arthritic ankle could operate it, I noticed something else. Since the side stand on an adventure is not just for parking, but is part of the off-road toolkit, it’s substantially thicker and stronger than the RT side stand. So the technician said, stand on the pegs to get on! …….do that on the RT and you bend the foot of the stand… I know!
Also, the gear selector tip on the GSA is on a cam. This means there’s additional adjustment rather than the normal screw adjustment. The RT is moulded in one piece. The GSA is so much easier to ride than the RT. You can control it even easier with your knees. Yes, I can flick my RT with my knees, but it’s so much easier with the GSA.
The wide, tall bars, make all manoeuvring really easy. The seating position means you can see over the tops of vans, and far down the road. The engine feels quicker in the RT, perhaps it has different mapping, I’m not sure. The one I was on had 2,500miles on the clock, and my RT has 11,550 miles so it’s not a matter of running in.
So what are the negatives? Well, only two in my mind, possibly three. Firstly, I popped over to my wife’s school, she was prepping for the new term and I wanted to take a picture outside with her smart car (big bike, shitty car, was the caption on the photo I sent). Her school is Victorian and the streets around it were cobbled and have a serious camber. When I parked it on the side stand, it was a serious effort to get it upright again because of the camber induced lean. Of course better planning would have prevented this.
Secondly, the screen is nowhere near as protective (which is to be expected). Lastly, the tiny screen after the RT is bearable, but feels antiquated.
Do you know what the killer reason is to buy the GSA over the RT is? Yes, we’ve discussed joint issues, visibility, ease of manoeuvrability (I forgot tank range, oh, and road presence) mounting, dismounting etc. The real killer, the game changer, the deal breaker is…..
SUSPENSION TRAVEL……all 210mm front (with a 19in wheel) and 220mm rear travel! So what? Well in the UK, and much of the Western world now, it seems, Governments have other priorities than keeping motorists and bikers safe with good road surfaces. When I’m on my RT, I’m scanning the road ahead for potholes, gravel, undulations etc. on the GSA, I just rode it. It was such a thrill, I actively looked for potholes! This is the killer.
Anything other than an adventure bike only makes sense in China, where the (urban) roads are good (mostly). Any adventure bike, but especially the Adventure, is about safety, and paramount to that, sadly, is not ending up down a pothole. It means you can gun the bike without fear of whether there’s a road-wide pothole (Chelmsford to Loughton in 2010, I managed to squeeze on the only tyre sized gap having come round a corner).
All the other reasons work, but the poor state of Europe and the West’s roads are the biggest reason ever.
I’m waiting to see what the new GS Adventure 1300 brings. I’m hoping all the bells and whistles of the RT, plus hopefully the 10.25in screen.
I feel the dealer who sold my RT to me and persuaded me to buy it, did it because he had more profit in that bike. I wish I had bought the GSA!
OK, after picking my RT up, I did appreciate it, and the real answer is two bikes, but I’m afraid, if you’re only allowed one, buy the GSA, unless your Government cares about its people rather than its version of “democracy”.
I'm a shorter rider, but I selected the R1250GSA anyway. The RT might have been a better fit for reach to the ground, but the GSA just felt right sitting on it. I did not lower the bike. The stereo with the speakers is a big negative for me, I don't like those setups. After marker support is a big deal, the RT doesn't have the same level of parts support as the GS/A.
Yeah, GS being more popular, has some advantages coming along with it like also number of accessories available - it's good to keep that in mind too.
@@VToldsMotoShow To be fair the entire 1250 line has quite a few common parts, which does mean that there is some cross-over for accessories. When I said parts support I meant more along the lines of finding the broken BMW parts bin items in a -stan country or while touring through Africa. You might not have any issues in the Americas or Europe on an RT, but it's not easy for a GS/A in more remote areas. If you live in a major metro area it might be a non-issue if you have a dealership handy, but where I live there are only two Motorrad dealers in the state that I know about.
I bought the RT as I’m too short for the GS (30” inside leg). I never ride off road. The RT is heavy but carries its weight much lower down so I’m more confident getting it in and out of the garage. On the move all that weight melts away and it’s really nimble - you can genuinely have fun in the twisties, it’s not just a motorway cruiser. Having said that it’s supremely comfortable on long runs with an all-day seat and superb wind protection. I went for the adaptive cruise control and it’s a gamechanger on the motorway. Only weak point for me is the Motorrad app built in maps - they’re a bit crap to be honest and the wifi often drops out. Shame as having your phone shut away and wirelessly charging is a great idea, poorly executed
I fully support this view: "On the move all that weight melts away and it’s really nimble - you can genuinely have fun in the twisties, it’s not just a motorway cruiser." It's amazing how it does it, but it really is this way. Very cool! Actually applies to both of them. The low-hanging boxer engine helps them keep relatively low center of grafity for such large bikes with a lot of stuff up there and tall windshields.
No question, mile for mile on any road anywhere, the GS is more versatile and more comfortable. There is not a bike made that does everything as well as the GS for long range over the road touring, not to mention the off road capabilities the GS provides within reason. No brag…. Just the facts. The GS is a superb motorcycle. Just ask the BMW dealer how many GS’s go out the door to every one RT.
Yeah, the big GS is the #1 choice and I also understand the reasons for it. Versatility being one of them - as you mentioned.
As far as I know you can still adjust the seat height on the RT. My, older model, RT has 3 settings. If you want/need to ride (long) distances quickly there is no better option than the RT. It also makes for a nice commute bike. Its weather protection is second to none. Even in heavy rain I ride with safety shoes on and arrive with my feet dry. In the cold keeping warm on the RT is no problem. The cubby hole is excellent to store stuff safely. There is a reason Police forces all over the world ride touring bikes like the RT. The RT may not be sexy, but then that is a quality I prefer in women... Bikes have to usable all day, every day.
The Police using them is what I like to mention myself. And yes, weather protection is great on an RT.
Good comparison, but now it’s an even more difficult decision to make!
Thanks, and well, if that's so, then simply go and check either of them yourself. This tends to be the final cure to the "GS vs RT" positive 'sickness'.
Considered a GS to get an RS. Best balance between sport and touring and not going off road. Need something that can corner better than a RT.
Interesting choice. The RS is definitely a quite unique motorcycle.
It should be noted that an RT can easily (albeit not as fast or comfortable) go down a dirt or even gravel road; especially if shod with 80/20s. So if touring on an RT, and one happens upon a dirt road; take it.
I have regularly taken my RT down all sorts of roads, from good quality tarmac to full on gravel/sand/forest tracks/campsite lanes with no issues
Oh and I tried that on R1150RT and these are conditions in which weight matters. I cannot recommend that experience.
I currently own and ride a Kawasaki Z1000SX which I have had for three or so years, and I am thinking of replacing it with a GS Adventure. The RT is good and more comfortable but the huge size and the off-roading timidity is the deal breaker for me. Actually, in effect, I see the RT as an expensive glorified Scooter (There! I said it), it lacks the Ooomph and excitement that one would expect from riding a motor cycle. This is especially so in a country full of nice twisties, mountains and valleys as Switzerland… Thanks for an excellent video and presentation.
have you tried the RT?
Yeah, the RT may present some resemblence to a scooter, especially looking at it from the front - then literally. Than it's had it for many years. The R1250RT can actually be really quick, especially considering how much torque it's got. Like a train! This is great for tight mountain roads to be fair. Anyway, thanks for sharing and I'm glad that you liked the video!
@@VToldsMotoShow yep. and that, you won't know until you actually try it on twisties. And the amazing thing with it is that, even fully loaded and thanks to its clever suspensions, it never changes behaviour. uber stable, tipable and predictable.
I watched a review of the Forza 750 and there were a few guys trading their RT for one. So your scooter comment is valid. I like Scooters unlike most bikers and quite fancy the Forza 750 or Yam Tmax as 2nd bike.
@@GS-xg4nz there's people trading RTs for a hut in the woods, doesn't mean the RT is one.
Anyway, I like scooters too and have owned quite a few, alongside motorbikes most of the time. The biggest scooter I had was the Yam 300, which was very good (I tried the Xadv too). But you just can't compare an RT (or other bike) with a maxi scooter. And that's no criticism of the latter, just the fact that a motorbike and a scooter offer different things and are very dissimilar where it matters (for bikes and for me): sitting triangle for one (hence behaviour in the twisties), gears, sound.
I love the underseat storage on scooters, so helpful. I love the get up and go attitude, great for city. Maybe the blur between bikes and scooters will be more à propos when it's all e-bikes, but I guess by then scooters will be electric too.
I ride all year around and my bike is GS, but now i looking for ad RT to to my garage for winter use. Last winter i have FJR and she is beautifull but you can't have new one anymore here in UK so i sold it with 52k mls on clock.
GS is perfect bike for everything but it's not the best place to be on cold winter days.
Oh, RT is awesome in terms of lower body protection. Still has all the advantages of a boxer engine and great handling of the series. All the best with finding a nice RT!
Imo opinion the rt offers too much rain protection because the rain stays on visor the windblast on gs is good to remove water from visor
At speed, no rain should reach the visor in the first place. A hint may be useful: there are gloves with a "windshield wiper" on them and this works pretty OK once you see drops of rain on your visor and remove them with it.
I just brought an R1250GS Triple Black. I just think the GS can be hustled better than the RT. The bikes are very close and I don’t think and owner would be disappointed with either bike. However I think the GS is a better all round package.
And I tend to agree with that point of view. However, I can see that the RT may not suit everybody. Of course the GS may not as well, yet it would be for reasons different than leg comfort or position, but rather its looks and possibly [whatever] image.
@@VToldsMotoShow Coming from riding ADV bikes for some years I was naturally attracted to the GS line. Turned 50 and the whole moto camping and dirt riding idea started to not hold anymore for me. Got an RT. Let's see how it goes. Nice vid BTW.
I ride a R1200 RT, and do too many kilometres to be riding the GS, weather protection is a must for Australian riders. You can get wet almost anywhere, and lack of buffeting cuts down exertion. Changing to R1250 is just wasting money. Will wait until mine gets to 300,000 or thereabouts before changing. At 40K per year it will not take long. An Australian day is 1200KM so good seat is a must. My only comment is that the RT is sensitive to tyres and tyre pressures more than the K1100 I was riding before.
Very interesting insight from the land of AC/DC and Uluru! Cannot overlook RT's weather protection indeed. Now the number of kilometers that you're covering annually is nothing to mess with - respect! All the best out there!
@@VToldsMotoShow Now reached close to 600,000 km since 1995, now on third BMW tourer, K100, K1100, now RT1200. AUSTRALIA is a big place, and as I don't fly anywhere, bike is the only option!
I'm curious about the comment that the RT is more stable at high speed. 80 to 100 mph is a pretty common cruising speed. Is there a noticeable difference in stability between the bikes at these speeds? Is the GS unstable at high speed?
I would definitely say that GS is unstable ever. On the other hand, if you've got lots of fairings around that deal with the wind instead of your legs and possibly side cases being hit with air from different directions at speeds, then this makes RT better in comfortably handling higher speeds for long. Hence all the plastic all around it in the first place.
If you paid ~26K€ for a GS it's most probable it won't see more than some hard packed gravel and will be driven like Range Rover. But if you buy old GS for 7K like I did. Then I will definitely beat the crap out of it.
RIDES HARD, PUTS AWAY WET.....
Yeah, my only thought after reading this is that those prices are ridiculous...
@@EasyGravy420 Exactly
You forget the little brother of the triad, the RS, a fast-touring cruiser with same engine but less comfortable than the RT but easier to drive than the huge GS adventure. The big problem with people like me is negotiate every red light or stop and why at least me choose the RT but the RS is a great "all in one" bike
I've tried the previous generation - R1200RS and it was a confusing combination to me. I actually felt more confident and almost like at home on a GS while being quite far from it on an RS. I just prefer a more upright position and that's likely the main cause for it.
GS because it’s no drama if you have the crash bars and drop it.
Now that sounds like a good reason.
You can get crash bars for the RT. Made by Illium
Gdzie Pan się nauczył tak płynnie mowic po angielsku ?
If you are over 50 buy an adventure bike. You will ride more frequently and longer because the riding position is much less tiring.
I'm myself not there yet while even now I appreciate the additional comfort thanks to what you've mentioned. Good observation though.
I had an r1200rt, 2016... I've tried 12 other bikes in my stable.. now are as good.. in trading in my s1000xr for an RT again
Hello! Do you have any experience or opinion of the R1250RS?
Hi, I've ridden the previous generation, so R1200RS for some time and it's a bit of a weird mixture for me with a boxer engine and a sports bike chassis. I'm not a fan but if you're very much into the boxer engine and want a sports bike, then this would be the perfect choice. I myself am not a boxer engine fan for its general clunky feel and sound. In terms of feeling the bike and its handling, it's really proper and well-designed. I assume that this applies to the newest R1250RS too as all the bikes that were covered with 1200/1250 upgrade, were made only better.
can you do one video that compairs 1250gs vs s1000xr plz? would be nice
Yes, it's actually my latest video and here you have it: czcams.com/video/AkorTVWn_Ko/video.html
For me, wind protection, ACC, bigger LCD, more range, better looking and never going off road anymore.
Sounds very much like a way to go with an RT.
I wish someone had a video that compared the GS to the R to the RS to the RT. I suspect that neither extreme, the GS or RT, is the best choice for most.
Hello Sir, try this if you so wish: czcams.com/video/91FdEr3ML34/video.html
@@filippoavellino2499 Perfect! Thank you.
Yes, where is that video? I'm guessing filippo answered Robert but I can't see the response here now, a year later.
Maybe try the K1600 if RT seating position is less comfortable than the GS.
I did ride K1600GTL and that’s a typically touring bike that you also sit lower on. Similar to the RT. Legs won’t be as happy as on a GS but the seats are larger and likely more people will find them nice than the GS’.
@@VToldsMotoShow GS is hard to beat for sure. Love my XR (low seat/low suspension) but was thinking of returning to the GS fold. BUT, the new Ducati V2 seems quite compelling for a relatively short rider like me. At last I can ride a Multistrada. Ducati Multistrada is a must for an Italian born; at least once in his life. I really appreciate your honest and very informative reviews. Other CZcamsrs (you know who I mean) tend to be too sycophantic towards Ducati team and company, especially in Italian.
Every Rt I,v owned,(4) kills my lower back after half hour!
Maybe try rising handlebar at some point? This could help.
is the rt better then the fjr? and is the gs better then the 1200 tiger?
I cannot say about FJR but as for the Triumph, even the previous GS, so the 1200 2013+ felt to me like a better version of the triumph. The 3-cylinder engine is smoother and also it had more power (GS 1200 had 125 HP), which you feel in the high RPM (GS still wins with torque in the low RPM), so only for racing in a straight line Triumph I could in my opinion be better. However, now after the 1250 GS got its power bumped up from 125 to 136 HP, I don’t think that in total there would be a big win for the Triumph in the area of performance. Otherwise I’d say the GS wins in every category.
There is one point you didn' take. The riding positio is quite different. The legs are way more bent in the RT then with the GS!
Sure I didn’t? I feel like it’s one of the significant points. Anyhow, you are right and that’s an advantage for the GS. It’s definitely noticeable very early on. Thanks for bringing that up.
Check out starting around 9:45.
You just utilize the peg lowering kit and add bar risers and it makes the RT even more comfortable.
I've seen several at the BMW motorcycle center like that
that is good to know
Thanks for a good hint here - as Gary mentioned, it may be useful to know that there are such options here.
@@VToldsMotoShow I’m only 5’10” with a 30 inch inseam and I’ve owned three RT’s, and this is the first where I added the bar risers and lowering kit and the difference in night an day👍
Peg lowering has the disadvantage of hitting the pegs in curves a lot. I tried it on my 1100RT and got rid of it
My hips would ache like crazy on the RT. I'll stick with my GSA.
That's actually possible.
The ergonomics of the RT does not favor a tall rider. I am 195cm and for me the GS is the best of the two.
Interesting comment. I had to do the math, I am 191cm. Ergos matter a lot.
I'm having a feeling that some of us may find the RT a bit too tight and too low.
Drive Shaft is Not maintenance Free !
Must be repacked grease and oil changed every 10 k
Great Show 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟👍
Thanks for mentioning that. Do you know if it's written somewhere on any sort of maintenance list? I wonder if dealers conduct such procedures during bikes' visits.
Great video. I have been a GS owner since 2008 (2008, 2017, 2019) but lately have been eyeing the RT. I ride 99% on the road, so a GS is probably not necessary for me. Most of my riding is around town so I dont necessarily need long distance touring capabilities. But still, I am fascinated by the RT. Same drivetrain but lower seat, more wind protection, etc.
I test rode a 2022 RT this weekend and absolutely loved it. I did notice however that the power seemed greater on the GS. I mean raw, off the start grunt. Not sure if the RT has a different tuning? Or the BMW demo bikes are de-tuned? Not a big deal, just curious.
If money were no issue I would have both of course. But given the steep price of a well equipped 22 RT, this is not possible.
I think I know what feeling you've got in mind and I admit that it's there for me too. I think that it may be more psychological in fact as there are the same engines. About the tune itself - I don't know but if so, then it's not a very popular information. It may be just like with a large and heavy, stable car vs a smaller and more nimble car - the same speed or acceleration feel differently in either. If I had to bet, that would be it.
Vtold and others, isn't there a torque curve you could look at for both bikes to see their maps/modes for NMs through the RPM range? You have to draw the curve for torque per kilo next but that would explain if it is a different tune or just weight differences. Then if it is just the map, you know what to do for that.
The OTHER very similar BMW with also the exact same engine as the GS & RT is the RS. Why not include it in the discussion?
The engine may be the same but the overall experience and the way those bikes ride in general are so different, that an RS simply doesn't seem like a close match here. The position is very different, the suspension's more sporty feel is focused on something else, even the design is so different.
@@VToldsMotoShow It's different... and superior. At least to me. Just ordered one last night, so I may be a teensy bit biased.
I thought your video was good other than comparing the RT to a mini van! I would compare it to either a 3 or 5 series maybe not the M but it is not a van!
Come on, it's kind of like a minivan that you can put 5 kids into and a wife, a dog and surfing stuff and then cruise down the highway to the seaside. Just skipping the part of doing 0-60 mph/100 km/h in slightly over 3 seconds kicking Ferraris a**es on the way. Cheers!
RT for the win !
Gs is a big and heavy bike. Despite his look, gs is not a bike made for big duties offroad due to his high weight, without talk about the risk of falling down with a 20k machine. I am a rt owner and i would chose rt again in the future for sure.
Hey, I guess there's something for every single one of us then. RT's great, and simply really differently-oriented than GS.
I own a 2021 GSA. There's no way I'd describe it as top heavy... the boxer engine sitting so low means that it's extremely stable as soon as you start to move. It can be ridden at slow walking pace with ease... a lot of this is down to carrying so much weight down low.
U r true. RT has more powerful breaking
RT anytime.