Thank you buddy, I'm moving on to Diamonds next. I'll be breaking them down as well, including how to correctly use the leveling system on them as well.
@@therealkingcobra I worked to guy in Diamond Europe and ibelieve you taught him, so i know quite a lot. I myself like to do quality job and you reveal those little tricks so clearly he never could. I admire your how you have everything figured out perfectly to not do anything extra. Very smart.
I just finished my side rails last night, Thank you so much for your no nonsense tutorial video. Way too many people try to do tutorials that just suck. You’re very straightforward and to the point. OUTSTANDING instructions
So awesome cobra thank you, I watched both of your tutorials and was amazed by your quality workmanship. Just freaking awesome bud thank you. I picked up so much knowledge.
You're awesome! Anytime You're in Michigan, you're welcome to come do my valley for another video! Lol!! Joking! I'm going to try eventually but until then I'll keep watching your content! Can always start over if I screw it up!
Where can the RKC250 Quarts be sourced that's NOT wholesale only? This, I find a bit frustrating. BTW, this is a great video and I particularly like how there is ZERO wasted motion. Every movement has a purpose. Well Done!
You are awesome I so wish someone could give me info on tightening my pockets on an old 9 foot table. My corners are 5 and sides are 6 inches and just buckets. You’re the absolute best and I would love your input. I’m so disappointed in the table Balls drop that shouldn’t. Could my angles of the rubber be incorrect
Great video. We got a Dynamo at the local Legion that the cushion arent flush with the top of the rails. What exactly would cause that? Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
So the slate should have been shimmed up like you showed in this video? How does this effect the rail bolts is the some adjustment available there ? I assume there is some as the cushions are currently tight but too low. I know moving just the cushions up is not the answer as that would mess with the nose height. Thanks
@@therealkingcobra thanks a ton, going to go at it this weekend. Got the new ridgebacks and 860. For side pockets, are you using half of the measurements for anchor side and stretch side? For instance, half of 13/16 and half of 5/8. Valley bar box btw
From looking and playing over and over it looks like half of 13/16 on anchor side and half of 5/8 on stretch to side. That was the area I was confused. I learned a ton on this video.
Just finished mine, with simonis 860. It was hard to get the lines marked correctly on side pockets because my side pockets didn't have a good definitive edge to them. It is a tough stretch for sure being a smaller guy. Wish I had those clamps shown in the video. It looks and plays great though! With new pro cut rails it Came out tight
You would not believe the mess a "Pro" table mech made of my 8' table. A side rail cloth was cut too short so there was a mess of staples there trying to fix that. But worst, he had to remove beeswax to remove slate bolts, yet he failed to refill those same holes with wax after he bolted the slate back down. I suppose the table's design was lacking, maybe, but I recovered it myself once before and did a damn sight better than this 'pro'. Of course he promised to return to fix the table - it's been six years and I quit waiting for his call within a week after he left me with this mess. I finally sort of lost interest in my own table because I didn't want to recover it myself again, and I didn't trust any so-called mechanics.
I’m going to do a 40 year old 8’ table in the next day or so, is this 1-3/8” guide with the same 3/8” per side side pocket slack okay for that larger size of table?
Stapling is a joke, and a waste of time always having to remove the old staples, not to mention the fact that the staples don't provide a 100% hold down of the rail cloth, like spray glue does, staples only hold where they're placed, and you can always see where they're at by the loose cloth between staples on the tops of the rails. And yea, I've recovered way more bar tables than you have, been doing this work since 1983, commercial tables exclusively.
that was so professional, Great video
Genius at work: Thank you to sharing your experience and wisdom with pool tables. My work quality improved so much. Thanks to you!
Thank you buddy, I'm moving on to Diamonds next. I'll be breaking them down as well, including how to correctly use the leveling system on them as well.
@@therealkingcobra I worked to guy in Diamond Europe and ibelieve you taught him, so i know quite a lot. I myself like to do quality job and you reveal those little tricks so clearly he never could. I admire your how you have everything figured out perfectly to not do anything extra. Very smart.
I've watched quite a few of your videos as well, those Russian Pyramid tables are a PITA😂
Great video
Thanks for all the information It's a big help when you can learn from someone who knows what they are doing.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Ive learned alot watching your videos and DVDs.
Thanks for watching!
The best there Is! COBRA is a really great guy. He's always available if one has a question. Thanks buddy!
I just finished my side rails last night, Thank you so much for your no nonsense tutorial video. Way too many people try to do tutorials that just suck. You’re very straightforward and to the point. OUTSTANDING instructions
Thank you so much for all that you do and have done to help all of us DIYers, buddy.
Very welcome
thx for sharing your knowledge please keep the videos coming!!!!!!!!!!
Diamond pool tables are up next!
Just followed along using Simonis 860 HR - what a pain in the thumbs lol - it turned out amazing though, thank you RKC!
I'm glad you liked my directions👍
So awesome cobra thank you, I watched both of your tutorials and was amazed by your quality workmanship. Just freaking awesome bud thank you. I picked up so much knowledge.
You're awesome!
Anytime You're in Michigan, you're welcome to come do my valley for another video! Lol!! Joking!
I'm going to try eventually but until then I'll keep watching your content!
Can always start over if I screw it up!
Screwing up is just learning how NOT to do something😅😂🤣that's why the videos work with play, rewind, pause, play😂
Where can the RKC250 Quarts be sourced that's NOT wholesale only? This, I find a bit frustrating. BTW, this is a great video and I particularly like how there is ZERO wasted motion. Every movement has a purpose. Well Done!
Quarts is the plan. We will announce this when we are ready. Thank you.
@@therealkingcobra are quarts of RKC250 available yet? Great video! Love the pace and completeness of your delivery.
You are awesome I so wish someone could give me info on tightening my pockets on an old 9 foot table. My corners are 5 and sides are 6 inches and just buckets. You’re the absolute best and I would love your input. I’m so disappointed in the table Balls drop that shouldn’t. Could my angles of the rubber be incorrect
No, they were correct for that table when it was built.
@@therealkingcobra thanks I appreciate your help
Just to make sure I heard correctly. Side pocket measurements are half of 13/16 for first side. Then half of 5/8 for the streatch to side.
For a table like a Valley, yes.
Great video. We got a Dynamo at the local Legion that the cushion arent flush with the top of the rails. What exactly would cause that? Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
Because the slate depth isn't set right.
So the slate should have been shimmed up like you showed in this video? How does this effect the rail bolts is the some adjustment available there ? I assume there is some as the cushions are currently tight but too low. I know moving just the cushions up is not the answer as that would mess with the nose height. Thanks
Nose height is based on the cushions sitting all the way down on the slate when they're bolted on. If there's a gap, the nose height is to high.
Torque on rails ?
What if u have a dead rail ?
Dead cushions have nothing to do with how tight the rail bolts are.
how big is the side rail bolt for a socket? I want to adjust mine at my local bar and bring the right size
3/8" head, if the bolts haven't been replaced 7/16" if they have.
What’s a good set of pro cut aftermarket rails to buy for a 1990 Valley model 93 table?
Penguin rails
Awesome video, I am about to pull the trigger on simonis for my valley. Should I still get the simonis DVDs? Or will this cover it
This covers everything you need to know.
@@therealkingcobra thanks a ton, going to go at it this weekend. Got the new ridgebacks and 860. For side pockets, are you using half of the measurements for anchor side and stretch side? For instance, half of 13/16 and half of 5/8. Valley bar box btw
From looking and playing over and over it looks like half of 13/16 on anchor side and half of 5/8 on stretch to side. That was the area I was confused. I learned a ton on this video.
Just finished mine, with simonis 860. It was hard to get the lines marked correctly on side pockets because my side pockets didn't have a good definitive edge to them. It is a tough stretch for sure being a smaller guy. Wish I had those clamps shown in the video. It looks and plays great though! With new pro cut rails it Came out tight
You would not believe the mess a "Pro" table mech made of my 8' table. A side rail cloth was cut too short so there was a mess of staples there trying to fix that. But worst, he had to remove beeswax to remove slate bolts, yet he failed to refill those same holes with wax after he bolted the slate back down. I suppose the table's design was lacking, maybe, but I recovered it myself once before and did a damn sight better than this 'pro'. Of course he promised to return to fix the table - it's been six years and I quit waiting for his call within a week after he left me with this mess. I finally sort of lost interest in my own table because I didn't want to recover it myself again, and I didn't trust any so-called mechanics.
I cannot find your glue anywhere! Will 3M neoprene contact cement 10 work well?
Billiards Wholesalers and West State Billiards, as well as Diamond Billiards sells it. Where are you located.
@@therealkingcobra I am in Alpena, Michigan.
What glue are you using? I cannot see the can?
Great video BTW!
RKC250 Billiards adhesive
My RKC250 adhesive, West State and Diamond Billiards sells it.
I’m going to do a 40 year old 8’ table in the next day or so, is this 1-3/8” guide with the same 3/8” per side side pocket slack okay for that larger size of table?
If it's s 1 piece slate, yes, if you're using the Simonis 860HR or Strachan Superweave
@@therealkingcobra yes, one piece and yes 860HR
Hello king cobra. Simonis 760 valley table is the same measures thanks
Yes
@therealkingcobra you are the best man tanks just refelt it following your videos and I did good 👍
Do some cloths need more stretch then the 1 3/8 like you do?
Yes, when wool/nylon blends change, so does the stretch index. Just like it changes from table sizes.
Glen how do you setup your wood blocks under the table to make sure you have enough height?
What size wood pieces are you using?
2x4 across the table first, the 4x4 2' long in the center of the 2x4.
Hello is the same measure for simonis cloth thanks
Yes, the Strachen cloth is the same stretch as Simonis. 1 3/8” side to side on a 7ft.
What is the cushion nose height recommended for this table?
1 7/16” is the nose height on a valley table.
Provided the rail cloth is installed correctly, and the slate depth is set correctly inside the cabinet.
Whats the stretch on a 6 1/2 ft valley ?
Expert video and advice sir
That depends on which cloth is being installed. That's why there's a test to determine what the stretch index is.
i've done about 17000 table never have i glue a rail. stapleing is the right way
That’s why he is the Real King Cobra and your not big guy.
Stapling is a joke, and a waste of time always having to remove the old staples, not to mention the fact that the staples don't provide a 100% hold down of the rail cloth, like spray glue does, staples only hold where they're placed, and you can always see where they're at by the loose cloth between staples on the tops of the rails. And yea, I've recovered way more bar tables than you have, been doing this work since 1983, commercial tables exclusively.
Even VALLEY sends the new tables with new rails out, glued!