Fun fact: If you are 1000 km away, there is basically no way to have a jam session w/o noticable latency because of the limits imposed by the speed of light (6 ms in this case already), let alone the network and hardware issues. So I guess the controlled 12 bar delay could be a great choice as well.
Very funny presentation mate…..I’m still non the wiser but still v keen to get online rehearsals going. Maybe just book a room like the old days hahaha
This sadly was not a guide and in the end didn't even conclude what was the best product...also you've mentioned that ListenTo isn't jam worthy...yet I just watched Thomas McRocklin use it to jam with his buddy...so something must work with that software. Gunna look further into it, but yeah...maybe next time a conclusion would help 'guide' us ;)
"Sync" isn't the problem, obviously you could delay everyone's feed and thus trivially sync everything, but now you can no longer interact in real time. This is basically what ninjam does.
"Real time", theres no phisycal way to have real time, no matter how good the connection there is a delay between the each part, and im sure many would want to use wireless, so yeah no, real time is impossible
Start using Jamulus one month ago, love it, I’m trying to setup 2 or more sessions on one computer win 10, to send audio on separate channels, problem I have is when I open the 2nd session the first one close. I read somewhere that you can do it with separate ini file, each session works fine alone. Any idea?
@@denicebrooks7056 I am now using Sonobus a lot more flexible, it is free and easier to set up, and works better, you can have as many channels as you want, depends on your bandwidth. It is a point to point connection without server.
@@denicebrooks7056 The distance is still a problem, I have fiber at home with 2 ms ping and 0 ms of jitter, I play with 2 others guy a 500 km and the latence is between 15 and 20 ms, wi cannot hear it. But at 5000 km, not so sure. We are using a Quantum 2626 from Presonus on thunderbolt connection with .5ms of latence. All of this works for us.
Criticising Soundjack's support policy... I'm guessing you've never ran an open source project :) The sheer level of entitlement from complete strangers who've just been given something for free... it's staggering... you know, sort of like you going "oh I have to open a TERMINAL?! That's a no from me; moving on". Well, at least you didn't expect free support from the developer to teach you how to open a terminal window, so that's better than 90% of the support requests I get on my projects.
But pretty much by definition the first audience for open source projects is other developers, isn't it? If you want non-specialists to actually use the product at some point, then yeah, opening a terminal is going to be an issue for a substantial percentage of potential customers, the early and late majority users, not the leading edge users. E.g. personal confession, 10 years ago Linux for a laptop was too much work, now it's an acceptable amount of work in my list of things to do.
I was looking for a good review and this one started nice. It's good you listed so many options and their use-cases, but you didn't install or show any of them in use or how they work. That aside, I got annoyed by your constant swearing and condescending behaviour. Those developers didn't need to make those products free or put the effort for everyone out there, just state your objective opinion (not that it was) and be done with i. You focus on silly pictures and you call them "not nice". Aside the lack of respect for the apparent lack of respect for the developres, your definition of user-friendly ... you don't actually define that at all. It is not important if the looks of the software is outdated as long as it: a) works as intended, b) it's easy to setup, c) is easy to learn or has really good documentation if it's more complicated. I usually won't bother to say anything but I really feel bad for the developers afer listening to the way you presented their work and your attitude. There is nothing ultimate about this guide still, thanks for the research and the listing, that's useful nevertheless.
No. Any developer worth their salt will learn a ton about how users see the product, e.g. the four criteria he lays out. He himself is providing a service of critiquing products and maybe you could/should be more accepting of what's he's doing.
Fun fact: If you are 1000 km away, there is basically no way to have a jam session w/o noticable latency because of the limits imposed by the speed of light (6 ms in this case already), let alone the network and hardware issues. So I guess the controlled 12 bar delay could be a great choice as well.
wait until quantumn pysics find a solution.
Which software are you talking about with controlled 12 bar delay
Very very nicely done Sander. You're very smart and articulate ... and super entertaining.
Thank you!
Articulate ???? You have got to be kidding.
Yes he is, as in "expressing oneself readily, clearly, and effectively." @@suspend6 @suspend6, boo to you.
Very funny presentation mate…..I’m still non the wiser but still v keen to get online rehearsals going. Maybe just book a room like the old days hahaha
Good presentation. Great work.
Jam your slowest song to test, wonderful tonight
GREAT WORK! THANKS!
Great! Thanks for the video!
You’re welcome!
"Fuck it" absolutely got me ahaha
This sadly was not a guide and in the end didn't even conclude what was the best product...also you've mentioned that ListenTo isn't jam worthy...yet I just watched Thomas McRocklin use it to jam with his buddy...so something must work with that software. Gunna look further into it, but yeah...maybe next time a conclusion would help 'guide' us ;)
Pfftp!!!! What's "best" is going to depend on one's own purposes and other factors, don't you think? I.e. what are you trying to do?
Good work. Thank you.
Is there a program (or plugin) that just creates a static amount of latency for each user so they can sync?
"Sync" isn't the problem, obviously you could delay everyone's feed and thus trivially sync everything, but now you can no longer interact in real time. This is basically what ninjam does.
I wanna hear about cats
"Hello, I'm Sander, a coffeeholic"
Thank you! Is there an updated version of this video?
"Real time", theres no phisycal way to have real time, no matter how good the connection there is a delay between the each part, and im sure many would want to use wireless, so yeah no, real time is impossible
Awesome video! Right when we were talking about this! You just won a sub and a free license to every plug aiXdsp makes!
Sorry you lost your job, thanks for your effort explaining my options. Many goods things are coming for you.
Cheers
Thank you very much for the support, Bruce!
you should do another roundup next year where it's only the f word the whole time
Maybe I will
i have a crippling caffeine addiction too ha ha
Start using Jamulus one month ago, love it, I’m trying to setup 2 or more sessions on one computer win 10, to send audio on separate channels, problem I have is when I open the 2nd session the first one close. I read somewhere that you can do it with separate ini file, each session works fine alone. Any idea?
I suggest checking out the Jamulus SourceForge forum. If anyone knows, this is where to find them
Is it difficult to set up Jamulus?
@@denicebrooks7056 I am now using Sonobus a lot more flexible, it is free and easier to set up, and works better, you can have as many channels as you want, depends on your bandwidth. It is a point to point connection without server.
@@J-L_Pilot perfect! Thank you so much. I'm in Texas and my musicians are in Berlin. We have a rehearsal in a few weeks.
@@denicebrooks7056 The distance is still a problem, I have fiber at home with 2 ms ping and 0 ms of jitter, I play with 2 others guy a 500 km and the latence is between 15 and 20 ms, wi cannot hear it. But at 5000 km, not so sure. We are using a Quantum 2626 from Presonus on thunderbolt connection with .5ms of latence. All of this works for us.
Ninjam is the best
Can a USB mixer be used in place of an audio interface with Jamulus
Did you get a chance to try all of these out?
Went from super positive non judgemental to total cynic. Lol
That's what I watched as well lol
@@FishOutOfWaterMusik ha!!! life is a bitch. Only God knows what he was going through that day.
Criticising Soundjack's support policy... I'm guessing you've never ran an open source project :) The sheer level of entitlement from complete strangers who've just been given something for free... it's staggering... you know, sort of like you going "oh I have to open a TERMINAL?! That's a no from me; moving on". Well, at least you didn't expect free support from the developer to teach you how to open a terminal window, so that's better than 90% of the support requests I get on my projects.
But pretty much by definition the first audience for open source projects is other developers, isn't it? If you want non-specialists to actually use the product at some point, then yeah, opening a terminal is going to be an issue for a substantial percentage of potential customers, the early and late majority users, not the leading edge users. E.g. personal confession, 10 years ago Linux for a laptop was too much work, now it's an acceptable amount of work in my list of things to do.
Ok first question…what is a DAW? And why would I need one?
Digital Audio Workstation, Cubase, Presonus Protools many more.
why did u not include Sonobus
It didn’t work at the time
Run your own mumble server high bit rate
I was looking for a good review and this one started nice. It's good you listed so many options and their use-cases, but you didn't install or show any of them in use or how they work. That aside, I got annoyed by your constant swearing and condescending behaviour. Those developers didn't need to make those products free or put the effort for everyone out there, just state your objective opinion (not that it was) and be done with i. You focus on silly pictures and you call them "not nice".
Aside the lack of respect for the apparent lack of respect for the developres, your definition of user-friendly ... you don't actually define that at all.
It is not important if the looks of the software is outdated as long as it: a) works as intended, b) it's easy to setup, c) is easy to learn or has really good documentation if it's more complicated.
I usually won't bother to say anything but I really feel bad for the developers afer listening to the way you presented their work and your attitude.
There is nothing ultimate about this guide still, thanks for the research and the listing, that's useful nevertheless.
I agree with you. This “review” didn’t really give me much information other than the names of platforms. I was hoping to see how well they work.
No. Any developer worth their salt will learn a ton about how users see the product, e.g. the four criteria he lays out.
He himself is providing a service of critiquing products and maybe you could/should be more accepting of what's he's doing.
elk
You could probably be pretty successful, but you keep on blaspheming Christ his name. It’s just weird.