We have To Get 2 Dimensional
Vložit
- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- Star Trek · The Next Generation · s04e10 · The Loss
Thanks for clicking, thanks for watching, hope you got what you came for.
BuyMeSomeBeans: ko-fi.com/tjwp... / paypal.me/tjwp...
Intro Audio: Star Trek TNG: s03e06 'Booby Trap' & s03e12 'The High Ground'
Outro Music: • STAR TREK - THE NEXT G... , • Magical Trevor : Episo...
& • I Love Beans by Brak
Discord: / discord
Star Trek · The Next Generation · s04e10 · The Loss
Thanks for clicking, thanks for watching, hope you got what you came for.
BuyMeSomeBeans: ko-fi.com/tjwparso / paypal.me/tjwparso
Intro Audio: Star Trek TNG: s03e06 'Booby Trap' & s03e12 'The High Ground'
Outro Music: czcams.com/video/ghtc3bUuANA/video.html , czcams.com/video/au3-hk-pXsM/video.html
& czcams.com/video/7ZWQMvHNOnI/video.html
Discord: discord.gg/E9tERStD
Yes, thank you! I came here to confirm TNG was poorly written from poor ideas - it does confirm it.
If you think this bad you should see Star Trek Picard and Star Trek Discovery.
Troi: _We basically have to play 2D chess !_
Riker: _Is that even possible?_
Troi: I'm afraid I'm not much use-
Data: Agreed, councilor.
Troi: You didn't let me finish.
And yet, that'd be the most true thing in trek until it got a STD.
My only complaint about the dialogue between Data and Troi is that I wish it was longer. Data has a unique perspective on humanity, a state to which he aspires, and much like Q did previously, Troi has achieved humanity through loss of inherent powers. Also, Troi couldn't read Data before, as there is no emotions for her to read, so there interactions would remain unchanged, something which cannot be said for anyone else on the ship. It's a shame that those aspects weren't explored or even mentioned here, instead skipping right to the crux of their predicament, but that's the nature of pacing in a 40 minute episode, I suppose.
Well that and they only had one in episode hour left to live so they didn’t have much time to wax poetic as if were. Still, it would have been nice to see that interaction affect the issue was resolved.
I always loved that note in it. Because she's never read Data she's accustomed to not knowing what he's feeling or thinking and therefore comfortable with him. It's a nice echo of how much Tam Elbrun liked being around Data.
Can we all take time to appreciate how talented Lavar Burton is as an actor to learn such complicated technical jargon and to deliver it in such a convincing way.
Yes, and hooray for Troi as well.
I'm actually going the other way now...
I used to think it was very well acted, but on this latest orbit....
😬i Now see Geordi and Data as weak points... Beverly too....
But I still luv it🖖
He's one of my favorite actors. I can't imagine this show with out him.
And he is a liberal
And do the same thing when he hosted Reading Rainbow
Data: I propose this idea.
Riker: That's crazy, Data.
Anyone else: I agree with Data.
Picard: make it so.
~ every episode
I find the dialogue in this scene absolutely fantastic. Despite all the shit her character gets for being useless, she was able to think in terms outside of convention, which is why Data would never have likely thought of it. Data is an andriod, and writing dialogue for him or any character interacting with him can be tricky. You can't simply have Data solve all the ships problems all the time - even though he is most likely the person to do it. In this case, Data's very being is the antithesis to the solution, and the conversation between him and Trio does an excellent job of presenting that. Someone who has no instincts giving way to someone who is now forced to rely on them.
Brilliant writing.
Finally she remembered she is a Psychologist. It’s what we do.
Agreed!
android, not andriod
@@watchgoose a simple slip of the fingers, big fingers don't help either
Nah her character was still fairly useless except for a few episodes.
One of the few times in the ENTIRE SERIES that _Data_ was utterly confused by what _someone else_ said
3:40 " vibration? We're not talking about a violin, data." Omg whoever gave Riker that line needs a slap.
I know. It's so dumb. The man is the second in command of a scientific expedition and SOMEHOW wouldn't be aware of that concept?!
@@hugothepinkcat also, I'm glad Picard season 3 gave him and Picard some great feel-good moments together, but also some really good moments of conflict. I felt that in TNG he was just backing up Picard constantly and it got tiring.
@@kbanghart That's his job bro.
@@NateO123 Yes, and no, bro
Much of the dialogue throughout the entire series was exceptionally cringey. I would like to think the writers were trying to emulate the dialog from the original series... but that was quite dated.
The plots were the shining point of their writing for the show. Not the words.
Brent Spiner is one of the best actors ever, played android robot for 178 episodes and I can't believe he's human.
He's a bean. Bean Spiner.
incredible performer, perhaps only beaten by mark zuckerbot who has been playing a human his whole existence
Brent Spiner is a human bean.
Troi: We have to get two dimensional!
Data: An interesting supposition, Counsellor. But how are you going to gain an extra dimension?
Audience: Ooh, burn!
Counselor.
@@terminat1 I'm from the UK, we spell it with two Ls
@@leopold7562 Forgive me.
@@terminat1 No apology necessary, you weren't to know where I was from
In her defense, she was written as a vapid airhead faux-counselor. I think Sirtis would have done just fine if she were written better.
She just used empathy for the first tine in her life in this sequence.
Honestly, yeah. Empathy is most meaningful when you receive it from someone who has to make an effort to understand you and your perspective. Someone reading you without trying and then giving you advice would probably feel more manipulative than empathetic to most.
@@bobbodaskank Fascinating take. People with Antisocial Personality Disorder generally must make effort to understand another's perspective due to lack of (or muted) emotional empathy -- and they're the ones usually accused of being manipulative. $;^ J (Of course, to be fair, many of them *are* manipulative, but let's pretend the stated irony still exists, eh? Lol.)
Troi's all happy she's got Data telling the Captain how useful she is.
Picard: "How much time do we have, Mr. Worf?"
Worf: "23 minutes, sir"
Picard: "And how much time would it take to setup this...this..."
Data: "Simulation of a cosmic string, sir?"
Picard: "Yes, yes, that"
Data: "By my calculations, we should be able to get it operational in...*computes*...25 minutes"
Picard: "So by explaining what you want to do instead of actually just doing it, we've more or less doomed ourselves"
Data: "It seems so, Captain"
**Captain Picard makes a final log about wasting time during an emergency, sends it off in the emergency beacon and then everyone waits around for the fireworks to begin**
**The emergency beacon is also caught up and destroyed in the cosmic string**
The End
Hah!
Lieutenant Commander Counselor Troi had a light bulb light up inside her head, and the Starfleet training turned on. This paves her way to be back in a uniform again when Captain Jellico later ordered her to dress more formally.
I believe this is the only episode Diana remembers she is a psychologist
She's only a counselor, and a terrible one at that. I know it's simplified for the audience, but Troi, Ezri.... are both awful counselors. lol
@@DblOSmith I know… I mean, I am glag Gene Roddenberry created the concept, but the writers are alful at writing about Psychology
@@Sage2000 That wasn't really their fault. Roddenberry stipulated that crew members will have no conflict between each other (because the Federation is oh so perfect). So they were all written as perfect specimen with no problems. Nothing for Troi to do. The introduction episode for Lt. Barclay was an edge case. Geordi was visibly annoyed, even Picard didn't pay him any respect. Only Troi did some actual counselling.
@@yaldabaoth2 I agree partially. The writers never took the time to learn and try
@@DblOSmith At least Ezri was able to help Garak and was smart enough not to fight Vic when Nog was living in the Holosuite.
3:37 - Riker talking down to Data as if Data hadn't thought this through in a million different permutations before suggesting it.
"We have to get 2 dimensional!"
"And here I thought your character already was, Counsellor!"
Some might argue 1 dimensional. Although they made some improvements regarding her character near the end of the series.
OH!!!
Counselor. Also, the counselor is the character.
“We have to get 2-dimensional”
Giggity!
@@Eli-uu4vt Oh there are some naughty connotations to that aren't there.
As a kid my first assumption was that the 2-dimensional beings wanted to go to the cosmic string cuz that was their home or felt good to them or something like that, maybe it was where their food or breeding grounds were. Since they're completely different beings i thought it was weird to just assume it would destroy them. And i was very happy to find out i was right but kind of annoyed that the characters never thought of it (even Troi assumed it would be harmful to them even if she realized they might want to go there).
Holy techno babble bat man! :D Poor LeVar must have worked a week to try and remember that line. I would need it written down!
This episode always reminds me of an interesting thing a weird teacher in Jr. High School mentioned once. (yes, I am old enough to call it Jr High)
He mentioned how Shadows are always 1 dimension less than the object that casts it.
So WE (3 dimensional creatures) cast 2 dimensional shadows.
A 2 dimension being (like in this episode) would cast a 1 dimensional shadow.
So? . . . .Supposedly, a 4th dimensional creature would cast a 3 dimensional shadow! Which WE would call "ghosts".
Cool thought eh?
Ghosts are a simplistic explanation for most unexplained phenomenon. Astral protection in certain places can be misinterpreted as a ghost.
Junior high is no longer in common use? What is it now? Middle school?
It's not called Jr. High anymore?
How about this, what if WE are the 3 dimensional shadows of a 4th dimensional being (the Universe itself)?
Very messy/fuzzy but good food for thought.
Hey, maybe light in our universe is shadow cast by creatures from the 8th dimension. 🤪
Always thought of deana troi as a flower beauty such beautifulness in a person.
There’s enough technobabble here to last a few episodes. I am surprised they didn’t mention about the Rockwell retro encabulator.
That's the thingy that, when activated, forces everyone to sing "Somebody's Watching Me," right?
Say what you will, but side-fumbling was effectively prevented.
2:43 For a robot he sure does an excellent "Sorry - I don't quite follow you" face.
"How much time do we have, Mr. Worf?"
"About six seconds."
"Oh, well, there ya go. Guess we're screwed. We ~might~ have had enough time if you didn't feel the need to turn every quasi-scientific comment in to this episode's soliloquy. Thanks a bunch, Mr. Reading Rainbow!"
Basically, Troi is saying that she looks down on every human without telepathic powers?
She always has. Her perspective on life is so reliant on knowing what everyone else feels. All the time.
We have no evidence of that in her character, ever. If anything, we have displays of the opposite (her trust with Worf, her respect for Beverly, her intimacy with Will). I believe its more like being an articulate person in ones own language and then suddenly being thrust into a whole other culture; you are by no means an idiot, but everyone else is in a comfortable norm, and you are completely lost. That is a frightening feeling, and leaves one very vulnerable and unsure. When your the one who is usually there to help the unsure people, that vulnerability is even worse.
I remember Riker seemed to think as much, telling her in this episode she always seemed aristocratic regarding her ability.
In other words, she's becoming just like her mom.
Just... don't tell her I said that, please; she doesn't like it when people make such comparisons. Just ask Riker...
@@Shenruss I like the way you think😊
How long it took them to consider the clue of their reaction to their escape attempt and that their intelligence might be animal-like.
But of course this is all the TV show ensemble setup. Realistically the ship crew would have *dozens* of TOP PEOPLE on the job.
I would love to get 2 dimensional with counsellor Troi
Deanna lost her beans.
So they modulated the frequency, and that did the trick. Awesome!
I keep thinking of Olivia newton john singing “let’s get physical”.
I'm still upset Troi didn't even try to take off her top. I'm telling you - it _always_ helps.
Fascinating
Great stories characters and instincts that grabs and does not let go. Fantastic
Riker sounds like an idiot whenever he has a line like "*InsertThing*?! We're not talking about a *UnrelatedThing*!"
"What if this being that we have no evidence for intelligence or higher reasoning but is clearly alive... is acting *instinctively*?"
Wow! You mean like nearly every creature in existence? What if they're behaving like species naturally do! Even without empathy, your brilliance still shines, Troi!
Time to get flat!
(That's for fans of The Orville) 😄
While most would find Marina to be a delightful actress, I know her better than most. She is a very demanding person; she will threaten crowds at conventions with leaving, if they continue to take pictures. She was one of the two featured celebrities at the Toronto "Imazadi" tour and when her limo driver didn't move the car so she could get to her next flight, and I and several large men lifted a Volkswagen Beetle out the limo's way, but she had thrown a fit about being late. She was literally shaking with anger...
Still hot tho lol
So you were like a manager then for the cast?
Deanna: comes up with the solution
Everyone: 🤯
Why was counselor Troi not this smart all along during the show? it's wonderful. Her intelligence is believable. If I worked on a starship like this long enough, I too would pick up a few tricks assuming nothing about myself changes.
This isnt a trick its literally basic empathy being used. We all can do this.
“Vibration? We’re not talking a violin Data!” Data thinking, can I please talk to someone who is not a complete idiot?
We've got some 20 minutes left to live, the smartest member of our crew is presenting a possible solution, and I have to get in some asinine jab to interrupt the presentation.
I liked when the counselor uses her mind, not just a cosmic cheerleader for Picard
Oh , that’s unique . To confuse the streem of beings , the counselor suggests projecting an event in the opposite direction . The streem would then stop .
That would facilitate their escape .
In reality , it would be tactical .
"I'm not much help without my empathic abilities"
... She wasn't much help with them!
@JimmyScrambles666Agree!!!
The problem is that he abilities don;t translate well to visual, but you get one of the tie in books? Oh, man. She can be DANGEROUS because in prose, the author can depict what she's reading and from who.
Without her empathic abilities, Troi sounds like she could easily be in science or even operations.
Fun fact: Moths (and other insects) aren't actually _attracted_ to flames or artificial lights. When (most) insects fly, they determine what is "up" and "down" by the direction that light is coming from. Outside of human interference, the brightest visible light is usually the sun, the moon, or the entire sky - so that direction is "up". Flames and artificial lights look like tiny suns near ground level, as far as an insect's reflexes are concerned. An insect trying to fly "straight" by keeping their back to the "sun" ends up flying a curved path _around_ the light source. Basically, moths get stuck in orbits _around_ flames if they fly too close, just by trying to fly straight.
Troi: Data, it's perfect! You're just not thinking two-dimensionally!
Data: Right, right. I have a real problem with that
I see what you did there. :-) Clever!!
@@dropkickmurphy4114 Thanks I was pretty proud of the reference 😂
I love Data’s double-take!
For hundreds of millions of years the main problem of flying, especially for a tiny bug, is staying on a straight course. Until people began spreading flames everywhere the vast majority of lights were the sun, moon and stars - all located on a near constant direction infinitely far away. So when an insect keeps any such guiding light at a constant place in the bug's vision then it moves in a straight path. But if the light is close then the poor insect will spiral around the light, and half if the time spiral into it and burn up.
"I feel as two dimensional as our friends out there..."
Bout time she saw what we all saw for so many years 😂😂😂
Writers fault
Jargon would have placeholder in the screenplay:
[Tech]
When they settled on it, they woukd tell Levar
"Let's get flat!"
- Captain Ed Mercer
0:10 Looks like it'll be torn apart in seconds, to me. :(
I love how Troi is like, ok let's speculate on what evidence /is/ available. and Data was probably thinking, um yeah wtf do you think I do literally billions of times per second
We have to get two dimensional! Someone replicate a Atari 2600
... and then they all went to ten forward where Guinan served everyone beans! Lots of beans!!
Getting 2D
Could this be a light crossover with "Lower Decks"??😂😂😂😂
“ Shut Up Wesley ‼️ “
You already have, Troi. You already have.
harmonics is the tool they need to allow E to break loose.Cosmic string Does work with harmonics..strong grav forces Does bring out a harmony of harmonics ! And this too is a second ideration of even 2 Dimensional beings!
Marina GORGEOUS as always. With that hairstyle, she could be a Vulcan and we'd never see the ear points. Or hide the surgery she was subjected to to have her go undercover as a Romulan.
You have Very low standards.
FWIW, this episode's description of a cosmic string is one of the worst scientific fails in all of Star Trek. What they described is closer in properties to a black hole than a cosmic string. It would be roughly equivalent to observing a whale and calling it a water molecule.
ADMIRAL! THERE BE WATER MOLECULES HERE!
But you can't deny that levars delivery of the technobabble is unparalleled.
@@wildefyri It's so unparalleled that Screen Junkies used his rather faulty description of a cosmic string in their Honest Trailer for TNG (starts at the 1 min 47 sec mark):
czcams.com/video/-6Zc8Co2H3w/video.html
I've got some great episodes like "Homeward" warfs brother saves a colony here's a link czcams.com/video/mRF1DAT9cQs/video.html 🖖 I'm trying to promote my channel.
@@wildefyri That's actors for ya. He's proudly and confidently 100% wrong.
Troi is forgetting she has a human side, she has to utilize human instincts to have an advantage even without her empathic abilities
Is that like "Let's get small?"
Twenty-three minutes to live and Picard looks like he’s ready for his Earl Grey.
“I don’t seem to be much help without my empathic abilities”. 😂😂😂 She did more good here without them then she did in any other episode 😂😂 “We have to get two dimensional” like my character 🙌
I would like to know who their science advisor was for this episode. It can't all be technobabble.
Troi seemed to fare a bit better in the novels, in terms of dealing without her powers and being a more competent counselor.
Always had a thing about Dianna's long secksy hair and her amazing looking neck lol
So they have 23 minutes until total destruction, but they still react slowly and methodically. LOL.
Getting two-dimensional was sometimes easier for Star Trek than it is for us. But we're making progress with that. 😶
But surely Troi would have a little experience working without her powers from being around Data all this time? Surely she would have learned something?
Every living thing on this planet operates on instincts , but apparently in the 24th century this eludes everyone untill it occurs to Troi , what a pathetic excuse for a crew.
Sidescrollers, UNITE!!!
I like how this ship supposedly has all sorts of science departments full of no doubt bright people and when they're faced with imminent death and need a sciencey fix they're like "We'll just put two people in a room to figure this out. What? No. No one from the xenobiology department. A physicist? That's crazy talk. We're leaving this to the operations officer and the ship counselor."
Deanna you are already a 2 dimensional character.
A cosmic bean fragment.
Thank Q for Data and Geordi
Without them Riker would’ve destroyed the D years ago!😂
23 Minutes to destruction - yeah, make it so☺
Khan agrees!
Troi: We have to get two dimensional.
Riker: Well, I already know you’re an expert at getting horizontal.
Troi: Look who’s talking.
Troi is soooo fine
🗣️23 mins until we're all ded, what do u wanna do?
🦊~uhmmm..lets try it..
. . .these things usually work out for us
I wish they had played around with the fact that since Data is probably one of the only crew members Troi can't empathically read she doesn't feel quite as different when she's with me. Think about it, she's never been able to "sense" anything from him, so when she's with him in this scene it feels almost normal. Y'all know what I mean?
It took them 4 hours to explain their plan to the crew?
Back when string theory was still relevant.
It’s episodes like these that make me realize that although her character was written as uninteresting (typical of female characters back then) she was actually a remarkable actor. Such a waste.
Ah, yes. You HAD to bring feminism into this.
Speaking of un-interesting, thank you for that boring remark.
@@goofygrandlouis6296 ty
"Your regurgitating nonsense is factually wrong."
Katherine Hepburn
DON'T YOU SEE?
Troi's lines keep giving little indications of what happened to her ....surprised she didn't figure it out.
Diana " I fell two dementianial."
Data " you can not be allowed to."
" let me show you why"
Diana'nods appovely'
Horses running into burning barns? I'd like to see some sources on that...
We've seen torpedoes move freely through normal space. I'd think the escape pods would do the same. It's time to get 95% of the crew off the ship!
Not sure I'd want to be in an escape pod that close to a black hole kind of anomaly.
I thought of a predator since the last video or so.... Seems like I was off... (Like spiders using Pheromones or what it was to attract their prey)
Or maybe we need to get horizontal
Higher dimensional beings would be as difficult for humans to understand as baked beans understanding the concept of quantum mechanics.
Wait, so, Troi actually did something...useful?
💚👾💎
Once again, disaster was averted. Later that night, Counselor Troi got the Tasha Yar Special and Data was never the same after that.
Get 2 Dimensional?
That's how we got STD and that Picard show...
If someone's instinct is to kill you, should you not kill them back?
Depends on the threat. What If it's a child? A drunk old man with a spoon trying to stand up. An internet troll. etc
You have options... and if you don't, then I suppose is your life worth taking another? If yes, then make it so.
Was the call for subscribers really Jean Luc Pickard's voice?
Yup. He was bound to have said the word in at least one episode, or even another of his roles.
@@troyjollimore4100 what did he ask people to subscribe to, Romulan ale?
@@marlonlo9661 You know that collection of little model starships in his office that gets smashed in First Contact? He tried to get every foreign alien ambassador that he met with to take up a monthly subscription to those things which he turned out using the replicator. He used the proceeds from that to finance his addiction to rare non-synthetic alcohol, such as the Romulan ale. :)