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Whats up Punks? Solarpunk
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- čas přidán 18. 07. 2019
- Welcome to Whats up Punks where I Deconstruct various forms of punk
today is the Radical Green Future of Solarpunk....and how I'm not really a fan.
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While not very present right now, I think Solarpunk can absolutely develop more of a dystopian "punk" edge. It could envision a world in which climate change has forced mankind to adapt into a more sustainable society but is still ravaged by extreme weather, refugee crises, religious/political extremism, and resource wars. You could also add an element where the rich live in sealed off garden communities (Much in the style of current solarpunk) while the poor live in shantytowns or squat in flooded coastal skyscrapers. I could see a lot of potential for conflict and action in such a setting.
Joseph Grove possible, highly likely in fact however despite my...let’s say feelings toward solar punk I hope not. However I‘m also unawares current solar punk state (just not my jam) I like the idea of the radical future I just don’t find It interesting.
I agree it needs to evolve more. From what I've read about solar-punk it is in conflict with eco-modernism. The slick shiny glass/ceramic/etc towering corporate "environmentalism" that has been the aesthetic mainstay for sci-fi 'utopia' for a while. I think Mirror's Edge would be a good example of that, the aesthetics at least. A technocratic "eternal green growth" which puts the burden of environmentalism on the world's poor so the wealthy can continue a life of excess.
It's a conflict which could spur meatier story could be the realization that not everyone can live at the top of a gleaming glass skyscraper and own an electric car. A world where solar punk is the realm of most people but there is a force which wants that grand too-clean vision of the future, even at the expense of other people. An almost eco-fascist (but not primitivist) strain in conflict with solar punk. This conflict isn't really a something that is massive in the zeitgeist so that might be why solar punk as a whole feels hollow.
Uhhhh that's literally the world we're living in rn. Like none of what you just said was fictional.
I haven't read New York 2140 yet, but I imagine it has this type of story (its description says its about a sustainable NYC, after the city was flooded because of global warming)
Also you might like After The Revolution by Robert Evans. It takes place decades after a Second American Civil War. It has political/religious instability and factions, shantytowns, sustainable and less sustainable technology, tech-enhanced humans, etc. It's not really Solarpunk, but it's definitely similar to what you describe. Evans has done journalism in conflict areas and has also done eco-activism and reported on extreme-right movements etc. and his story-world is inspired by the direction he saw USA was taking and added cool scifi elements to it.
He also has a podcast It Could Happen Here, where he explores similar ideas about societal collapse without the scifi narrative (through political escalation in season 1 and Climate Change in season 2)
I think a potential solar punk dystopia could also features elements of a "big mother" goverment or state. So a society where people are heavily controlled, but the authority claims it is in their best interest (already common today of course and only more relevant as 'smart city' ideas are becoming more popular amonst many municipal goverments).
Well I believe that studio gibile's castle in the sky is also solar punk Even it is in the steam punk but in the castle part is full of plant life.
Timmy Donohue i think that might be more Skypunk...or castle in the sky is just all the non cyberpunk punks. Could go ether way.
If we are to reach the future, we must use and integrate different methods and types of energy. Miyazaki is definitely proto-solarpunk. Biogas fuel could be Solarpunk and steampunk at the same time.
While it's still in its infancy I think the genre has a lot of promise, both in storytelling and to inspire people to create a better future irl. I would say that, apart from the reasons you mentioned, it's also punk because the societies portrayed often have vague anarchist-y cultural tendencies, like a decentralized network of communes, anti-authoritarian values, post-capitalist economy, etc.
Your idea for a cute slice of life story sounds really cool and fantastical, and similar stories could take inspiration from Iyashikei stories (calm hazy stories without much conflict, like My Neighbor Totoro or Kiki's Delivery Service. Basically the narrative version of lofi hip hop)
For more exciting/thrilling stories, you could have conflict between a Solarpunk society and a more dystopian one (Kinda like the Avatar movie or Princess Mononoke), or an exploration story (Characters from a Solarpunk society exploring the undiscovered depths of the sea, other dimensions, or space), set the story in a pre-Solarpunk world where solarpunks try to rebuild society after climate-collapse, a bio-engineering experiment goes wrong in some way creating monstrosities or an invasive plant/fungi species that overgrows the whole town, etc.
You could also create social commentary or exploration of problems in a Solarpunk world. Maybe genetically engineered plant-humans can be stand-ins for either oppressed minorities (the other people in town discriminate against them, and they have to fight for their freedom), or ethnic superiority sentiments (the plant-humans regard themselves as superior, and try to overthrow the anti-authoritarian structures to create the Gaia-Empire). Or the story could explore how a Solarpunk society could work, i.e. exploring the benefits and limits/disadvantages of Bookchin's ideas in practice, or how far you can go with the concept of deep-ecology (You could take this really far, like in Solarpunk society killing a bug is a horrible crime, or even veganism isn't good enough because it hurts plants, so everyone feeds through photosynthesis). Or I remember a short story about people being bio-luminescent and the color changes with emotion, so how would people deal with pure mask-off emotional vulnerability if they were like that (or telepathic maybe)?
Btw, I too love cyberpunk, but we live in such a bleak time that more optimistic genres of scifi are a fresh breath of air to me, even if I keep enjoying darker genres.
You are the youtuber who has made me realize all these amazing genres and discover how I want to worldbuild my own worlds
thanks glad i could inform and inspire
I would like a episode on Tesla punk
It’s on the list
Took a year but I just posted it 😁
@@NylasWUP what a SHOCKING but pleasant suprise.
I would love to see an episode on Lunarpunk.
It’s on the list.
@@NylasWUP Still!? I would love to contribute if you need help. I've done a mountain worth of research on Lunarpunk.
@@xenithsanguine yeah I would be down just dm what you have on my insta
@@NylasWUP Awesome doing so now!
@@NylasWUP Wtf... I just dumped a ton of stuff to you but instagram ate it?! I am guessing it looked like spam and the spam filter swallowed it whole... Have an email address I can write to?
We live in a fossilpunk world lol
I like solar punk
i do like solarpunk. i hope the futyre will be more sustainable
Dude, I loved this video and your suggestion of a story, it would be indeed interesting to see the people trying to decide on what they would do with the tree! Also, I felt it was really creative the way you came up with this, I really liked it!
Cheers up!
Thanks man I’d love someone to do something with it.
@@NylasWUP btw I've been binge searching -punk stuff specially cyber and solarpunk, and I have found out there are 3D Hologram LED fans out there, and they emit a seriously awesome cyberpunk vibe. Have you seen one of those already?
I had not but that (google search) damn that looks crazy!
@@NylasWUP for real! And what I've seen is people said that it looks even cooler in person. The camera captures the gaps of the LEDs but it seems we can't quite see them in person
One anime that embodies this genre is the ova Yokohama shopping trip (ykk)
Any opinions on ecopunk? I do believe they have differences. Ecopunk stories are about 1.) the infrastructure and working together to rebuild from the ashes of cyberpunk or 2.) Fighting off the characters fighting eco damage with the current weapons they have (definitions are a bit muddy.)
I haven’t looked into yet srry it’s on the list but it’s down there with hopepunk, voidpunk and nowpunk on genres Im not looking forward to having to research. It definitely deserves its own video and is genre on its own.
Sounds more like a deviation of solarpunk, like a proto-solarpunk
With a photogenic side character to lust over. Im dead. Thats so funny!
Solar Punk. The official aesthetic of the World Economic Forum.
hah
u thought it would be hard to make a story about solar punk
I'm making a game in a sorta kinda pre solar punk world
Ok that’s kinda cheating I’m saying it’s hard (not impossible) to make a story about a solarpunk utopia. A fully realized solarpunk world. The world can no longer be the protagonist enemy. So story’s have to be more personal
@@NylasWUP with that i meant
the story dosen't have any pefect goverment. Everything else is the same.
All the technology and ecofriendlyness is still there
@@calllus9397 that's interesting. Is it an indie game or what? Keep us updated =]
What’s this videogame called I’d like to follow it?
Sounds more like a sort of "Ecopunk" where it's about the implications of not hurting the environment rather then the implications of relying primarily on solar technology/power over all others.
Assuming they actually have the batteries needed to keep the light on over night, they might still have problems with tasks and jobs that need lots of energy to do. The resources needed to make all those panels and the batteries is still going to be expensive and environmentally damaging to mine. In some ways a purely, or mostly, solar society could come after the heights of an atomic or fossil fuel society which many might chafe against even with it's ecological and moral advantages. An underbelly of those still utilizing the old power sources could arise where having a diesel generator in your basement could match the solar power of entire fields. Solar powered equipment and technology that perhaps has back up panels themselves could prove sluggish and slow to respond when lacking a power line to the national grid, and could even prove useless in the dark to the detriment of it's users.
As opposed to a setting where humanity first gains tools and technology that lets them overcome nature, a solarpunk setting might have people having to deal with the issues of nature once again as much of their technology is no longer so destructive to it any more, assuming you are even allowed to say, shoot a pack of wolves coming into your village. What is good for the earth and nature isn't necessarily good for humans as it's high powered tools that let us win in the first place.
A setting of real chafe as people go from their 21st century societies into the new, having to deal with more tight if green power sources, living in eco friendly arcologies rather then the old cities, managing their relationship with a generally neutral and uncaring nature again or risk punishment by greater society. Basically how you put people into a society that now no longer values everything they knew and believed, where today's goals are almost the reverse of yesterdays goals and how much of that is as good as might be believed.
A good way to add conflict to solarpunk is to have something like the sins of the past and or a organization that believes conflict is the only way for humans to evolve. I know that last one has been done in stuff like overwatch but you try adding conflict do utopian society.
Gotta go small scale. Yes the big issue have been sorted but still got the small scale ones. Awkwardness around the person your the main character, that asshole at work muck things up. That kinda thing. Or go fruitopia with it (someone on this video commented something to this effect.) its utopian alright but not for everyone despite all the good somebody’s getting the shaft but I feel that’s drifting away from the core idea of solar punk
"You try adding conflict to a utopian society." How about a bunch of anarchists-
@@mr_indie_fanSolarpunk has elements of social anarchy though, it's one of its many features. People have more freedom in these settings.
you could also go with the idea that utopias can't exist and that this "utopian future" was actually created though mind control
3:50 From about 1980 to the first world war which begun in 1914? Do you have this backwards?
nope i fucked up that line should be 1890
Not sure if many people know this, but the Blazer Drive manga is set in a world where technology and nature co-exist and people use these eco-friendly stickers for everyday purposes like cooking and powering homes etc.
A quote from the manga is literally as stated "A future that fuses nature and technology together" it was published in 2008, it's pretty much retroactively labelled as Solarpunk by definition.
Never heard of that one
Wakonda in the mcu is often cited as an example of solarpunk.
Yeah totally. In aesthetics most def in tech…I’m sure wakanda has solar as backup in case of emergency but it’s mostly vibranium based but overal very solarpunk
In aesthetics and tech, absolutely. However in political/cultural structure not so much, as Solarpunk ideas of the future are often decentralized, egalitarian/anti-authoritarian and open. Wakanda, from what I understand without having seen the bp movie, is a kingdom (so not anti-authoritarian) and isolationist.
okay, I'm new to the whole punk-subs but Solar punk seems to be something that Krypton and its people use, you see the Kryptonian people use a type of stone called ""Sun Stone matrix"" which use the sun as a power source i don't know 100% but I think that is something that can be called solar punk.
Sounds right...I’m not well versed in the krypton mythos but solarpunk isn’t just about solar power but a balance between people and nature. I’m pretty sure they did something to the environment to blow it up. But again not sure but sounds solar punk ish.
My favorite of all the punks
lunarpunk that exsits
Yep it’s a thing it’s on the list but I haven’t looked into it yet
There is also Kim Robinson's New York 2140...
Plants vs zombies is somewhat solarpunk, weird example but it fits (sort of)
Its not set in a utopia but it does fit the whole solar tech and humanity living side by side with plants
Was After Earth solar punk? there's got to be a better solar punk movie than that.
No idea never seen after earth
@@NylasWUP That's probably for the best, it's not very good.
Bet tidalpunk isn't on there either (Tidalpunk is Oceanpunk's good ending)
I consider Powers of X / House of X to be solar punk
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@@NylasWUP I don't know this but it reminds me of my beast boys phase
It’s from a song called crank up the volume. And could probably be from a beastie boy track