FAIL! Bow Breaks on Camera. Meare Heath Inspired Primitive Flatbow Fails. Bow Camp Part II
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- FAIL! Bow Break. Meare Heath Inspired Primitive Flatbow Fails. Bow Camp Part II. The Meare Heath Bow is a the name given to half of a Neolithic yew bow recovered from peat workings in the Somerset Levels, UK, in 1961. It is one of the oldest bows found in the British Isles. The find was half of a wide limbed, flat bellied bow made from yew heartwood and had been decorated or strengthened with sinew and leather bindings. No one knows how the bow came to be broken and in the peat - was it a ceremonial act, or just a broken bow thrown away. We'll never know. But the fragment of bow reveals that Neolithic bowyers knew how to take a fine piece of wood and craft it into a bow. Replicas have been made and the bow performs well - though modern bowyers and archers can see apparent flaws in its design, causing much debate as to whether the preserved section of the bow was part of a ceremonial weapon rather than a one for warfare, protection and hunting. Again, we'll never know.
I work on a bow that is not a replica of the Meare Heath Bow but draws inspiration from that amazing relic dating backs thousands of years.
More information on the original find and reconstruction of a replica Meare Heath bow: www.digitaldig...
Self filmed in the UK's National Forest.
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That ending with your dog happily trotting along with the broken bow like he was the King of the world is great. 'One mans rubbish is anothers treasury'.
What a marvelous video! I kept anticipating from the title, wondering when it would actually break, but was still surprised when it came. Then at the end, I wondered if someone would discover that bow in 5,000 years, until the dog ran up with it and made me laugh. Always enjoy your work mate.
"If you're not breaking bows, you're not making bows." Everything is a learning experience. I had a bow break on me earlier today too. All we can do is learn from it and apply it to the next build. At least your dog gets a new fetchin' stick.
Have you considered adding a backing, or do you prefer building self-bows only?
Hi Damien! Sorry you've had the same trouble. Lessons learned I guess. I have never backed a bow - I may do one day - but my preference is a self bow straight and simple. And that way the dog has always got something to fetch!! Mick
I've had successes with rawhide backings. Mike from Boarriorbows has a couple really good videos on it. You can barley tell it's backed on some of his bows. Takes some time to get it prepped and ready to glue but it adds a good amount of strength and keeps the splinters from flying around when you get a break.
+kyle plants Thanks for that, on my list!!
So sad to see a bow break, but so glad you showed it. Failure is not usually part of what we see in crafting videos. It puts your already great vid's a solid step forward.
Looking forward to the next one, and good luck to ya!
Hi Steve, that's kind of you - thank you. I'll be having another go soon. Mick
Always a bummer to have one let go like that. But look on the bright side Mick. Even though you didn't set out to create a replica of the Meare Heathe, it looks like that is exactly what you did, and possibly in the most authentic fashion. Always a pleasure to share in your experiences. Keep up the great work.
Thank you - yes, I guess I did succeed in a round about way! Never thought of that :-) Cheers, Mick
Dog was wainting for his stick for so long, yet it was worth it. Amazing film, I am always happy to see you in my subscriber feed.
Thank you Sandra! Mick (and the Dog x)
Mick leave the bark on one side like you did with your buckthorn bow.. Probably that Knot... But great job Mick as always :)
Beautiful and inspiring film. Wood is a fickle mistress. A dog is Man’s Best Friend.
Lars Frandsen You are right Lars! Wouldn’t know what to do if I hadn’t got Ben my Labrador with me! Have a great weekend.
Mick Grewcock You, too, Mick! Love this film!
The dogs reaction was great, then it was sneezing like to say "what the heck was that?!?" Haha
Mick, what I admire most, aside from your extraordinary film=making and oratory skills, is the failure analysis that you did afterward. You may well have a Neolithic kindred spirit who had the same learning experience. Thanks as always for another fantastically well done video. - John
Another good video, appropriate music for the break. I always find it bitter sweet. The adrenaline of watching a break does seem to slow down time but the fact that my work has ended is always a sad moment. If your not breaking how's your not making bows.
Hi Kyle, yes a bitter-sweet adventure. But I guess a few breakages will speed up my learning. Thanks for watching. Mick
Hi Mick! From what I saw, the right limb and left limb were too stiff tipped and needed too bend more near the riser fades as well. Immediately after about 6 inches from the tips there was a hinge (overly stressed spot). I think it broke in the mid--limb because the bending portion of the bow was too short due to the stiff portions. It's amazing what some tweaks in tillering could have prevented. Another possible cause was the back getting heated too much by excess heat (the bow was on it's side while you were heat treating allowing some heat to weaken the back). It could also be simple bad luck. It was a shame but at least you learned from the experience.
Greetings from a fellow beginner (who has read too much about bows)! :) Edit: Growth ring violations also make sense as the cause. Proper lighting is essential for decrowning and chasing rings. Analyzing photos off the tiller also seems to find weak spots and minute flaws in tiller. :)
Hi there and thanks for the great tips. It was the violation of a growth ring that caused the break but yes my design and tillering were not perfect. Lesson learned though!! Thank you for watching. Mick
😱😳 Aaaaargh 😰 such a shame, you were so close to finishing it 😑. But all is not lost, its valuable lessons best learned the hard way, those ones stick 👍. Your now better armed for the next one 😊 and im glad you werent hurt by the fall 👍. Have a rest and a reflect before the next attempt and go fling some arrows and enjoy yourself doing that for a bit 😊. Look forward to your next bow making adventure when it arrives on the tube, they are always excellent Mick 😎.
Arrrgggghhh indeed! Yes I learned my lesson and no harm done apart from a bit of a dent in my pride! More adventures on the way! Mick
It happens to anyone who makes wooden bows, to break one another. I broke at first some two of the hazels, because I let them dry in the bark. I like the hazel wood, because it's nice to process it, but now it leaves it dry, but now i peeled on the half that is back of the bow. I wish you great success and do not abandon the idea of the Meare Heath bow !!!
No, I will have another go at a MH bow!
good luck !!! thanks for all !!!
You're videos give so much joy.
Keep doing what you do.
Kathryn Delbridge Thank you Kathryn. Another one today 15:00 hrs UK.
You sir, are a master of suspense.
Thank you
I learn just as much from a broken bow. Loved the retriever bit at the end too!
Oh man. I almost cried. So much respect for you. I’ve broken three bows, some variety of ulmus, called Chinese Elm around here. Might be Siberian elm. Good wood, still much to learn. You inspire me to persist. Thanks.
Thank you and good luck!
Now that was an awesome try at making the bow and a fantastic film!
Thank you! Mick
For in the Forest a Banshee had Howled and it was said that never before such a Horrid Sound since!
Gee that was a bad, "Letdown."
Great show, beauty Mick.
Damn dude. Those camera shots between the tillering are amazing.
Thanks Jake. I think you mean the clips taken using a 25mm Panasonic f1.7 and a GH5. They can look awesome. Thanks for commenting. Mick
This hurts even after so much work, but do not be discouraged today was not a good day but many others to be successful. hugs.
Hi there! You have a great channel! Subbed. Yes I will try again - this would have been my eleventh bow but it was not to be! Thanks for watching - keep making your videos!! Mick
Ive been building longbows now for 3 years,I've broken a few. But I've also had some success. I've got some great tips from CZcams especially, Mick Grewcock so a big thanks. Mathew Mullen. CrowValley longbows
Binge watching all your videos!
you are doing an amazing work ( both about content & editing) and you're so inspiring while I'm waiting the right time to cut my first yew and start my firt own bow from scratch.
Good luck when you make one! Mick
Great video Mick. Sorry your bow broke. Great educational video.
Thank you Raj. All part of learning - but a disappointment all the same! Thanks for watching. Mick
These things are what I like to see. We Bowyers are mostly the same. Success and failure and the like. Thanks MICK for your knowledge and efforts. DWR HERE.
Always a pleasure watching your bow making skills and the historic background knowlegde that you provide.
Atb., Michael
Hi Michael, thank you! Hope you and family well. Mick
Awesome video, Inspirational!
I enjoy your channel so much. It is definitely in my top two. With that said, your dog is almost as great as the bow making. He's definitely stealing some of your thunder.
Hi Tim, what's the other one? Yes the real star is neither me nor the bow - it's Ben the Dog! I always include him when I can - which is nearly always! Mick
Mick Grewcock I have just started watching DF in the Blacksmiths Shop, and he is making it look like even I will be able to forge a scythe, since I don't think the new ones will hold up like the old ones, and I haven't been able to find one at an auction. I am scouring my local wood lots for a sufficiently large diamond willow or ash so I can start on a long bow thanks to you.
Tim Kaldahl Hi Tim, thanks for coming back to me. I'll check out that channel. Good luck with the bow! Mick
It was a good looking bow. So sad to see it break. I hope you will make another. I really wanted to see it shoot. BTW, the photography is exceptional.
+pjculbertson55 Hi there, yes it wasn't looking too bad for a first try. I will have another go! Thanks for compliment, appreciated. Mick
I love how your dog was super concerned when you fell. Good boy!
Yes he is! Have you still got teal hair?
Inspiring stuff, Mick. We’ve all been down that route - I had a lovely old Les Paul guitar whose tone was destroyed after a simple re-fret.
Your work is always filmed so beautifully. Pete.
Thank you!
Aye, even the best laid plans....
Thanks Mick !
btw, John of "JR's Place" here on CZcams is way into primitive Bows, and expert with Sinew backing; Check him out:
czcams.com/channels/1jzn7gh3MclnWHYzEHYcvw.html
Hi Rob, yes thank you - I watch John's videos often. Great man, great bows. Mick
I always like to see your videos with 0 dislikes 👍
Thanks for sharing your failures as well as your successes. Hazel can be a fickle mistress. You really built up the drama there. I kept puckering up every time you bent the bow because I knew it was coming! :)
Hi there, I like hazel but I still get a few shallow frets on the belly where I get something wrong. But this one just went BANG! It's somehow worse to watch when you know, isn't it! Mick
I kind of wished I didn't watch that now. I was working on tillering a bow last night when I heard a slight ting in one of the limbs. Kinda nervous now
Great video
Oh dear, hope I haven't cursed your bow! Good luck with it, I'll be very nervous next time! Thanks for your appreciation. Mick
Great video!!! That heart crushing disappointment is a feeling i know very very well. I started making bows when i was 7-years-old and i have found that on the back of a bow if you remove the bark and weak sap wood and dont remove any more it provides a good strong one-ring back that won't break. Many native americans in my area did this with osage. Osage is by far my favorite bow wood it is very dense and strong i recommend it for a good hunting bow.
Thank you Alexander. I'l have a go with osage one day but it's not readily available in the UK. Thanks for watching. Mick
I always Wanted to make self made longbow. but after watching some of your videos I realise that it's really hardwork. so I decided to learn more about it before giving it a try. Thanks for the Video and Information.
oooooh! DON"T be put off. Yes there is work to do but the only way to learn is to do the work. Go and make a bow! Good luck. Mick
+Mick Grewcock Thanks Mick. But main problem in India is to find Wood for longbow as Yew, Ash, Maple is not Available here. Is pine wood or Teak is Good Option?
+Akki Avasthi I believe pine is okay, not sure about teak. But most woods will make some kind of bow. Is there a heritage of bows in India? Maybe you could research that and find the woods they used?
+Mick Grewcock Ok Mick. Thanks a Lot for your Help.
+Akki Avasthi No worries, good luck!
Got too love your bestfriend . And fetcher . Got quite a chuckle out of watching him . Thak's four super video
One has to feel sad for our Neolithic bowyer/archer. Not only did he lose his bow to breakage, but he also apparently didn’t have a companion, retrieving dog to recover it.
It wont be the first and wot be the last ,but still a great story you told and a great bit of history ,at least your dog got a new toy ;) ,thanks Mick another great upload ,my kit longbow has been put in the shed until i get time to start it ,ive found a Roman hoard 2 weeks ago and have been a bit busy getting things sorted ;)
Wow! Roman hoard. Sounds astonishing. Don't blame you for putting the bow down for awhile. Good luck with it. Mick
Hi Mick love watching your videos i have found them very inspiring and am now on the way to trying to make my own longbows starting as a begginner, thank you for the effort and and insperation. All the best Jim
Hello Jim. I'm delighted that I have made a little contribution toward fuelling your interest in making your own long bow. Good luck with your bow. You will learn much - and hopefully get much enjoyment and growing skill on the way. Enjoy. Mick
Great video Mick! Shame about the bow snapping. Just curious, but have you thought about attempting an 11th century medieval crossbow? Now that would make a great bow camp video!
Hi there, I have made one cross bow before ( a very simple Skane type). It's on my channel and titled 'Five Pieces of Wood and some String'. But I am gathering materials for a bigger crossbow which I hope to build soon. Mick
until I saw that video I thought I'd be the only one whose bows break :)
Anyways - good work and thank you for your great videos!
This disappointment in your Eyes at 9:40...that hurts alot.
When my bow broke years back, 78" Yew at 66 lb, the stupid thing dinked me on the bonce and that hurts, I can tell you..... I cringe when you attempt to draw it with a sticking out pen in your mouth, especially when a bow could break.... A brilliant attempt though on your behalf, keep it up young man....!! Most impressive, I find it quite inspirational, just like I was all them years back..
Ouch, that must have hurt. Get your point about the pen, just one of those things that happens I guess - used to live behind my ear but glasses put paid to that!
Bugger'a'hell'fire man ... what a shame. I was really liking that flat limb profile . Great filming and editing. Here's to better luck and outcomes next time.
Couldn't have put to better!! Yes I rather like that shape and will have another bash. Thanks for watching. Mick
Nice video. You handle the wood well-you obviously know your way around a stave.
I’m attempting the same, but with Osage. Stubborn wood but a little more forgiving. We’ll see.
Thanks.
Hey I'm so sorry about that. I've had bows break too. Even shrapnel took my tooth out
Hi Nate, ouch - that must have hurt! Mick
You could have saved that bow. Used a strong two part epoxy, then backed it with dry wall tape and linen over that. Then decrease the draw weight to 40lbs. Unless the limb snaps completely, I've saved 5 or 6 flat bows this way.
I'm not going to say they shot as well without the break but it does save a lot of work. Again for the "experts" I've had NO issues.
Hi there, yes I guess I could have saved it but my learning was done with that one. I'll have another go soon. Mick
Quality ending!
I have to admit I laughed when your lab brought it back. Guess the original craftsman 5000 years ago left his dog home that day. Quick question though: How do you know when it's time to pull the tiller down to 28 inches?
It is a progressive move. I only move to 28” or any other draw when I am satisfied that it is the correct shape etc. I tend to use this last part of tillering for dramatic effect in the videos but it is simply an incremental increase. That’s me though. Experienced bowyers might do it differently!
honest and empatic as usual ,great vjdeo , great dog , great and honest bowyer ,notches always are a? in hazel if and when they had a center pointed in black it means no complete cicatrization , i dont see if is this the case , my opinion is avoid black pointed notches on back of the bow ,this for hazel not for helm helm it can had black pointed notches on the back ,yew too ,ash and hazel better to avoid this and the debarking even if is considered a easy work ,is something to do with maximum attention a little cut on the last growth ring it can be fatal, you lucky mick with the drawn charge you use ,if bow breaks in traction .... i don' t' use tillering stick so when it happen ...... hazel it collapse all of a sudden no preadvise ,no rumors before the explosion, next time dont touch the sub bark pelicula , faillures makes experienced persons , when all goes well ,no experience to put in the drawn😁 bye collega.
Hello Roberto! Thanks for the tips - very useful and appreciated. Yes, I learned a lesson! Mick
I'm not sure I could endure that disappointment.
Nearly 10k views and over 2 years old and still 0 dislikes. 👍
Phew!!
It hurts man. I was working on a serviceberry bow strung at lowbrace and bent it. snap!!! I was in shock and depressed. All.that tlc i gave it.
Aw man! That's heartbreaking... At the very least, it broke on the tiller instead of in your hand. Either way, it's always painful losing your work.
I hope you'll be able to try another flat bow some time!
Hi there, yes, horrible - but I learned a lesson! And yes I will have another go! Mick
Is this too thick for Hazel?
As boys we used to make bows from hazel since old coppices were plentiful, the wood has quite different characteristics green or dry & whilst greenwood will bend easily the same section dry will snap.
Hi Mick
I'm sorry this attempt failed.
Get back on the horse and try another trainer Meare Heath inspired bow.
Hi Wayne! I'll be chucking the saddle on in a few days ;-)
Great editing! So good infact i almost dropped a tear when i saw the bow braking. Would add a joke to this: immagine the reason the bow was thrown in the lake, was because the neolithic bowmaker just realized wht a garbage design it was, and that was the day D shaped bows appeared.. XD .. Bless!
Well bugger! but a fantastic ending.
+John Long Yes, double bugger John. And it left me in the lurch for an ending - so I imagined up what you've seen!! Thanks for watching!
i was crying
Hace poco hice uno de madera de aligustre y bambú que duró poco tiempo en mis manos ya que hice un trueque con el por unas figuras volumetricas 3d ( nunca he vendido un arco) pero la oferta fue irresistible. Ahora estoy terminando de hacer otro del mismo tipo ya que me gustó mucho como funcionaba este arco.
Esa es una gran historia - ¡Acabo de darle a un amigo un bastón de olmo y él me cambiará algunas flechas! Buena suerte con su nuevo arco, suena impresionante! Mick
PS: Lo siento por mi español, tengo que usar Google para ayudarme.
better then a Drama film :D haha great work Mick, sad about the bow, hope you try it again :)
I'll be trying again! Thanks for watching. Mick
Have hearing loss and your voice is drowned out by the bells would rather just hear your voice .Really like your videos .
Liz Chatfield Hi Liz. Hopefully in my later videos the audio levels are better - I’m not just learning bow making but film making too. Thanks for watching
My first bow ever is a mollegabet bow for similar reason , ancient etc but very complicated first bow .
Since it was de-crowned backing the bow might have prevented it from breaking
Yes it might, though I've never tried backing yet. Maybe one day! Mick
I think that may definitely be how it ended up in a bog! :0 :)
You may be right!! Mick
I had a red oak bow break on me moments ago it still hurts so thats why i came to see other peoples pain lol
I have broken to bows in hazel myself.
Oh that was painful to watch...😢
Unlucky Mike great film atb from North wales
Hi Mike, thank you - glad you enjoyed! Mick
Pena, estava ótimo!
Gracias. Estaba buscando bien pensé, pero me equivoqué. Gracias por ver. Mick
Hi Mick, I'm not familiar with hazel, but I'm still curious about what sort of draw weight do you believe you were pulling when it snapped? If you wish to investigate the world of flat bows, maybe try rawhide backing. Something that big wouldn't be something to sinew back, but rawhide offers great insurance along with having a big cool factor.
Hi John, it snapped somewhere between 40 and 50 lbs. I'll have another go as soon as I get myself a suitable stave - been looking for some hazel this morning. Never tried backing a bow with anything - I will one day - but this failure was mine, not the wood's - I just cut into growth rings around a knot. Live and learn! Hope you and family are well. How's that pile of osage going?
The next one will be great. We're doing ok. Today is a milestone for the season because it's labor day and starting tomorrow the nature center is only open on weekends so I'll have more free time. I just started on the first osage bow. It's a 50 incher that will be shaped into a gull wing and sinew backed. I have a number of orders for rawhide backed and painted paddle bows, but there shall be time for osage longbows. Good luck in your search for a hazel stave. It's out there waiting for you!
But... how did the blackerries taste?
Yummy!
Bravo friend
Thank you Oscar!
Can't win every time but IT sure looked nice til it broke
Only two upsides to a bow break. Experience and the opportunity to start the next bow.
What a shitter, looked like a nice piece of wood that was knot free. Was it a tension break or did you cut through the growth ring on the back? I have broken bows when tillering just after having heated it up and have not let it cool properly. Great filming as always! Keep making shavings! P.S can you shoot that pigeon next time! Hope you used your finger calipers, better than tillering by eye using them sensitive fingers, find thick spots much easier!
Hi there, it was a violation of a growth ring aggravated by a knot. If the knot hadn't been there, I think I would have got it to 28" and about 50lbs ish. Ho hum. I'll have another go. Yes, I use my fingers - just a case of amassing the experience for my head to process it all! Mick
I know that feeling so well... feels bad to watch
I know, hurts me too. But I learned something so not all wasted!!
Oh Mick I really feel for you after that breakage. Will there be a mark two ?
We live and learn! I have never made a mark 2! Thanks for watching.
Hi mick I have just discovered your channel and must say I throughly enjoy it, great filming and content. Keep up the good work . Cheers Chris.
@@chrisbutlersmith9970 Thank you Chris.
Oh no 😢. Its ok Mick these these happen. the thing is about bow making is that in every failure we get to learn something from it and we can take what we know and apply it on the next one. The good news is more bows to come 😄 more new experiences . Have you considered learning about sinew backing?
Hi there, never backed a bow before but not really a tradition in the bows I usually make - but I will try it one day.. Lesson learned!! Thank you for watching. Mick
I was under the impression that flat bows were a good design that minimized breaking. Was I wrong? Google said it was ~6' 3". Did you by any chance note the draw weight at 24 inch draw?
Flat bows, longbows, horse bows - the right design for each has been proven for countless years. It wasn't the flat design that let me down, I let it down by making a poor job of de-crowning the stave in one place. Draw at 24 inches was in the region of 38/42lbs. Mick
Thank you for replying. I'm new here and enjoy your videos a lot.
shmuckling Thank you!
I broke my bow during a traction test, I'd like to recover the horn nock, would you give me some advice to recover them?
Do you mean remove the horn nocks from the broken bow in order to use them again on a new bow? If so, you could try gently heating the horn nocks. Depending upon the adhesive used, this usually permits the nock to be removed. Good luck.
@@MickGrewcock thank you
What is your favorite finish that you have used?
To be honest, my absolute favourite is not a traditional oiled finish - it's yacht varnish. It's durable and gives a gorgeous sheen to a bow. I oil most of what I make but the ones I varnished look the nicest in my opinion - even if not 'traditional'. Thanks for watching. Mick
Thank you
Damn, It's heart breaking after all the work in a bow, it then snaps. Still it looked like a very good bow though.
Arggh! Yes. But I learned a lot. It wasn't looking too bad for a first go - better luck next time I hope. Thanks for watching. Mick
Aveces pasa. Una verdadera lastima.
Lo intentaré otra vez. Gracias por ver. Mick
weak spot in the wood that the problem with wood you cant always see it
While you can get a superior bow by crowning the bow,...you must then back the bow as I recall.
I never hurry wood.
I'd clamp it in place,... for at least a year,......
Then I'd plain the back flat and back it with bamboo.
But yeah Bow's do break,... hell I've seen them explode and the breaks looked like cotton-balls in the winter.
And yeah its heart breaking to do all that work and then it breaks,....but if your not breaking bows your not making bow's.
Iron wood or hops hornbeam makes a good green bow.
Oh Mick !!!
I am so sorry !!! 😑😑😑😑
But hey , what a hack , one kick in your ass , one step forward !!!
Keep up the good work , and don't forget :
YOU ARE MAKING BOWS , YOU ARE BREAKING BOWS !!! 😯😯😯
Is one or an other , but the most important thing is that you gained an experience with this fail ...
The next tim when you will make next bow , you know what to do !
Your friend ,
SORIN the BOWMAN / ROUMANIA
Hi Sorin! Yes, I guess I've gotta break a few as well! Thanks for watching. Mick
Damn.
Shurely happend like this....;-))
So sorry to see it bust. But it does happen. I had one explode a couple weeks ago
Yes, always a sorrowful experience - but I learned much from it! You've had one go too so we'll both have to have another go! Good luck. Mick
Mick Grewcock oh yeah i made about three sence..only one really turned out..but mine blew up but it was an experiment and i did learn pawpaw trees dont like to be bows
+OzarkWanderer I see! Never thought of pawpaw as a bow wood. At least you got one!
Mick Grewcock oh no..pawpaw is a lousy bow wood. I made a hickory bow after that
+OzarkWanderer I see, heard hickory is great!
Very nice looking. Sorry she blew.
that hurts.... broke my heart. lol try again man!
Doesn't need a backing, just needs more care with the decrowning.
If you're not learning from the ones you break, you're not paying attention. That's nearer the truth.
It's clear that Mick knows where he went wrong on this one, even if it was starting to look more like a lumpy Sudbury than a Meare Heath. :-)
+Rod Parsons Hah! What's a lumpy Sudbury?
Like a Sudbury, only lumpier. :-)
The Sudbury also having long stiff tapered fades in the centre, but in a more elegant form. Though it is not uncommon for early attempts at a flat bow to lack definition in the transitions from handle to fades to working limb.
It is a common misconception that the Meare Heath is a FLAT bow. It is not, but it is a BROAD bow. But combined with the overbuilding in length, the over-wide outer limbs are a primary cause of reduced cast.
This is not, as some might think, a matter of opinion, but clearly demonstrable by comparisons in chronograph testing.
The key to making such a bow more efficient, apart from not overbuilding in length, is seen in the Paul Comstock "meare heath" derived wide limbed flat bows, by tapering the outer limb width but retaining some stiffness (thickness) in the tips.
In the first place it can be advantageous to more clearly define and manage the aforesaid transitions when setting out the design and tillering accordingly.
I would not be surprised to learn that your not defining the transitions more clearly might be a contributing factor to the lifting of the decrowned back.
fwiw
Rod.
The Sudbury bow was a Native American bow made from hickory and was taken from it's owner in the 1600's in Sudbury, Massachusetts. It had wide-ish limbs and a narrow, deep handle, and in some respects, shares common design elements with my PB's.
I'll be having another go some time Rod and take that on board. Mick
Hi John, I have since read about the Sudbury - fascinating. Thanks for the reply to Rod. Mick
Going for perfection. These things were probably pretty poor bows.
Hi Adam, thanks for commenting! Mick
I could see two pivot points in the right limb. One about a third from the tip, the other another third or so from that. It looks like youve taken too much off at these points on the belly. Left limb looked pretty good. Both limbs had stiff ends though.
Thanks for your comments Kathryn on a number of my videos. Mick
Mick Grewcock lol Mick you bloody champ!
I appreciate what youre doing here.
Though I, like many untold others also, do despair at your sell-out ways of buying laminated blanks.
Tisk tisk. For shame!
Please give us more of your OWN successes and failures - become a true bowyer of those serene and beautiful woods - let us share in your genuine failures and mastery of taking from your natural surrounds and lovingly crafting it into something truly worthy of a King's Bowyer. Such as was your first bow.
Oh Kathryn! I've only bought two laminate blanks ever - and only because I couldn't find any 'proper' wood!! Go on, let me off this time with just a 'tsk, tsk'. Promise I'll never do it again.
Mick Grewcock Well OK but you better promise!
Mick Grewcock Now, get out in those beautiful woods and make us pine over the serenity :p
dam shame , all that effot . what is your dogs name mick ?
Ben 🐾
@@MickGrewcock he's a good boy !
:( that made me sad
:-( me too!
Why
I made a mistake!