The Canadian Basketball School that Crushes NCAA Opponents

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  • čas přidán 22. 08. 2020
  • The Carleton University Ravens have won 15 out of the last 18 U Sports national championships. During a typical summer, they play exhibition games against NCAA DI teams -- with past wins over Wisconsin, Cincinnati, Baylor, Wichita State, Alabama, Providence, Mississippi, and more. This video breaks down Carleton coach Dave Smart's unique weak hand defensive philosophy. A scheme that Jay Wright once called "The most unique I've seen."
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  • @hoopvision68
    @hoopvision68  Před 3 lety +76

    Thank you all for watching! Here's the full newsletter on Carleton's defense: hoopvision.substack.com/p/o-canada-hv-weekly-8232020
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    • @businessk7236
      @businessk7236 Před 3 lety +1

      Lmfao your defense was so good you lost to Indiana in 14 and want to talk shit to Duke. Hmm why don’t you come down to the Duke. The defense is not new. Pleeeese! The vid is just a bs one.

    • @ericpatterson3937
      @ericpatterson3937 Před 3 lety

      @I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS It looks to me like other teams play there starters. Wisconsin did when they lost and went to Final Four: goravens.ca/wp-content/uploads/Wisconsin-at-Carleton-August-21-2013.pdf
      You can look at box score including minutes right there. Kaminsky, Dekker, all the big boys played full minutes

    • @ericpatterson3937
      @ericpatterson3937 Před 3 lety +1

      @I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS Witchita State played its big boys too: goshockers.com/news/2016/8/7/mens-basketball-great-wheat-north-shockers-battle-carleton.aspx
      The guys with the most minutes all started and played the most minutes vs Kentucky in the NCAA tournament later that year when Witchita lost by 3 points to a Kentucky team that would in turn lose by 2 to eventual champion North Carolina.
      It is just false to say these teams did not play their starters

    • @jimmyculp8756
      @jimmyculp8756 Před 3 lety +1

      Basic middle school coaching!

    • @cmoneyno5
      @cmoneyno5 Před 3 lety

      Oregon State's zone defense was very similar

  • @duncanshaheen6517
    @duncanshaheen6517 Před 3 lety +1822

    Bruh how tf did I not know that my local university is that good??? The ain't enough marketing for university sports in Canada

    • @elizabetholaniyi7344
      @elizabetholaniyi7344 Před 3 lety +158

      lol i go to carleton and i never knew

    • @my3dviews
      @my3dviews Před 3 lety +91

      Because it's not about hockey. LOL

    • @alexj7440
      @alexj7440 Před 3 lety +27

      I’ve known for a long time. I did grow up in Ottawa though. Now I go to Carleton.

    • @JosiahPreston
      @JosiahPreston Před 3 lety +22

      Cause people aren’t as interested and have less of a sports culture

    • @TheJohnnystockman
      @TheJohnnystockman Před 3 lety +49

      Nope I’m not in Ontario but this blew my mind. How is this guy not given a chance to coach or be involved in NBA???

  • @BranJ89
    @BranJ89 Před 3 lety +600

    I played two years at Boston University and these dudes killed us too 😂😂😂

    • @johntallanger4036
      @johntallanger4036 Před 2 lety +16

      Is the D super sophisticated or is it really just force left and don't overhelp?
      If Jay Wright was confused that tells you something.
      Except if they're getting normal college kids how can they teach them something Jay Wright can't understand?
      I'm not getting it.

    • @BranJ89
      @BranJ89 Před 2 lety +79

      @@johntallanger4036 it’s such a different look from anything you’ve ever seen playing basketball at the highest levels in America. Also it looks much different when you’re on the floor vs on film. When help does come it comes from weird places and it takes a lot of your muscle memory away, forcing you to think, which is always a bad thing. In our case, our smartest offensive players, who understand where help is supposed to come from and how to attack it, had a hard time anticipating how the defense was going to react to any given situation, and those overaggressive closeouts force a decision in typically limitless and advantageous situations as far as options go. Another thing is no team in D1 plays this way so it’s a lot of unlearning to do for one game. Overall it’s pretty intricate though it looks simple on the surface, which is why it’s hard to play against and also why no one can really replicate it.

    • @johntallanger4036
      @johntallanger4036 Před 2 lety +5

      @@BranJ89 Interesting.
      I can't figure out how they're teaching something that complicated.
      Do you think they're getting super smart players? Take years for guys to get on the floor?
      Even defenses that are considered sophisticated don't have those kinds of read and react components built in. I personally never trust players to make a series of judgement calls on the floor or remember the specifics of who is a shooter or non-shooter.
      Hard enough to get everyone to be 100 out of 100 disciplined about the basic principals of a unique D, let alone start improving.

    • @BranJ89
      @BranJ89 Před 2 lety +27

      @@johntallanger4036 well you can tell they practice the hell out of it. I don’t think they’re above average intelligence, the coach just understands how to make it make sense to the players. I did notice that the guys who played the most minutes on their team were generally older so maybe the judgement calls are a product of experience but I’m sure they drill the mess out of it in practice.

    • @johntallanger4036
      @johntallanger4036 Před 2 lety +1

      @@BranJ89 Thanks. That helps. Is it a fundamentally superior way to play D? Would you coach/teach the system?
      Or do think their coach just has a feel for it and it's his thing that he just teaches really well?
      Another guy on here was coached by Carreltons coach on the national team. Sounds like it's just a force left system and that it didn't go that well. Seemed like guys were not executing the force left part enough. Which, most guys don't realize how extreme you have to think and be to create a true force.
      My take is it's a force left system but the coach is super strict about making sure that force left happens every single time. Once you can create a new pattern like that everyone abides by you can start adding wrinkles and complications and it'll look genius.
      But if your starting point is a force left system-- or even force right system -- and guys are only doing it 90% of the time it won't work.

  • @GP-wu1eu
    @GP-wu1eu Před 3 lety +746

    Carleton should be playing in the ncaa. They make a joke out of the CIS every year

    • @HendayAllStar
      @HendayAllStar Před 3 lety +86

      Problem is go to Div 1 you have to send a significant percentage of your schools sports to Div 1, you can’t just send one team. Carleton men’s basketball could easily join a mid major Div 1 conference but none of their other sports programs are good enough. You can send individual teams to Div 2, but U sports is on par or better than Div 2 so there’s no real point

    • @cocorna3282
      @cocorna3282 Před 3 lety +10

      They'd finnish 10-18 in the Big 10, 8-21 in the ACC

    • @Jimaybob
      @Jimaybob Před 3 lety +68

      Cocorna 32 based on what

    • @kiroolioneaver8532
      @kiroolioneaver8532 Před 3 lety +6

      btw it's USports...hasn't been called CIS for years lol

    • @marcroy5089
      @marcroy5089 Před 3 lety +16

      @@cocorna3282 that doesn't seem to account for the video you've just watched, but ok zoomer

  • @T_____1660
    @T_____1660 Před 3 lety +327

    When they had the Scrubb brothers hey were unstoppable. I think they only lost 5 games in those 5 years with two of them being to Lakehead, who were coached by Scott Morrison at the time. He 's now an assistant coach of the Boston Celtics. It literally took nba level coaching to beat them.

    • @brockmason4475
      @brockmason4475 Před 3 lety +7

      Crazy but true

    • @grounded81
      @grounded81 Před 2 lety +13

      I was at one of the games they lost to Lakehead in Thunder Bay. It was incredible. The building was packed-out and electric. Standing room only. I believe it was Carleton’s first (and only?) regular season loss of the season. As an Ottawa area high school basketball player it was really cool to see Dave Smart coach in-person. Dude was intense.

    • @porterwake3898
      @porterwake3898 Před 2 lety +1

      NBA level coaching is honestly not that great.

    • @ManuelGarcia-oz9uo
      @ManuelGarcia-oz9uo Před 2 lety

      @@porterwake3898 it's really nba scoring policy they implemented bew rules 2017-2018 to make it easier on offense , anything can be called a foul now. No handchecking at all. Horrible I remember a game lakers vs thunder it was awful like 70 whistles

    • @man-thing6374
      @man-thing6374 Před 2 lety +1

      @@porterwake3898 it’s worlds above college tho surprisingly. Look at Rick pitino for example. Another example is brad stevens being an all time coach in college absolutely and transforming butler and being just good to great in Boston. Coaching from ncaa to nba is a gigantic gap unlike cfb to nfl( which is still quite a gap)

  • @johnsorensen3023
    @johnsorensen3023 Před 3 lety +511

    Man, love the fact that you gave Canadian hoops some love. Usports in Canada is actually high level sport and I’m glad you recognize that. Would love to see an invite into a play in game in the NCAA tournament. That would be so epic!

    • @chroniccomplainer3792
      @chroniccomplainer3792 Před 3 lety +22

      If these canadian schools had to go through the processes of the NCAA it would change them. Best they keep doing exhibition imo. NCAA are some crazy dictators.

    • @jamedlock83
      @jamedlock83 Před 3 lety +1

      They would choke in their first game. . . lol

    • @ericpatterson3937
      @ericpatterson3937 Před 3 lety +20

      @I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS It looks to me like other teams play there starters. Wisconsin did when they lost and went to Final Four: goravens.ca/wp-content/uploads/Wisconsin-at-Carleton-August-21-2013.pdf
      You can look at box score including minutes right there. Kaminsky, Dekker, all the big boys played full minutes

    • @ericpatterson3937
      @ericpatterson3937 Před 3 lety +22

      @I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS Witchita State played its big boys too: goshockers.com/news/2016/8/7/mens-basketball-great-wheat-north-shockers-battle-carleton.aspx
      The guys with the most minutes all started and played the most minutes vs Kentucky in the NCAA tournament later that year when Witchita lost by 3 points to a Kentucky team that would in turn lose by 2 to eventual champion North Carolina.
      It is just false to say these teams did not play their starters

    • @johnsorensen3023
      @johnsorensen3023 Před 3 lety +6

      I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS ... comment ruined by @Eric Patterson. Oh the IRONY!! ;p

  • @georgehenry76
    @georgehenry76 Před 3 lety +518

    See? The team game is the most important. Stop stroking egos, win games.

    • @randomguy5489
      @randomguy5489 Před 3 lety +10

      Depends completely on what level of competition.

    • @Jonathan-cz4ky
      @Jonathan-cz4ky Před 3 lety +3

      Random Guy It’s more like a players ego is an important part of how they can bring a team victory, but it isn’t the most important part. The team has to be on the same page at the end of the day.

    • @blazin1397
      @blazin1397 Před 3 lety

      Random Guy imagine thinking egos win games🤣🤣 chill your ego out and you’ll understand

    • @Jonathan-cz4ky
      @Jonathan-cz4ky Před 3 lety +7

      Blazin wings It’s funny though, if you look at somebody like Lebron James whose all about the team game, because a lot of the times he lacks that ego and that fire that MJ and Kobe had, it’s actually caused him to lose more. There definitely needs to be a balance of both at the highest level of play. Much more than high school and college. Too much of it and you end up like Russell Westbrook, not enough and you hold yourself and your team back.

    • @Redditaurus
      @Redditaurus Před 3 lety +2

      @Liam d-did you just...call Lebron...HUMBLE???

  • @aloe.0v0
    @aloe.0v0 Před 3 lety +44

    As a kid, my dad used to take me to the Canadian version of March Madness. Carleton won every year that we went. I actually grew to despise them, like how people hate Duke or the Lakers... But now that my own College years are behind me I have a lot of respect for them 😊

  • @em4706
    @em4706 Před 3 lety +97

    hey man, I play Usports football in Canada. When Carleton comes to town for basketball its a small event lol. You know your teams getting shit pumped. Nice to see the love for their team.

  • @clawxxchris
    @clawxxchris Před 3 lety +135

    Carleton has run canadian college basketball for legit my entire lifetime

    • @hastaar2161
      @hastaar2161 Před 3 lety +1

      Me more

    • @mikeyjames
      @mikeyjames Před 3 lety +3

      They do a good job of finding talent. I don’t understand why this is so shocking to people that they’re good against American schools. There’s not that many universities or colleges in Canada that push basketball like that. This gives schools like carleton a huge advantage to get some of the best talent from across Canada for their program because they’ve built up a reputation within Canadian basketball. I mean it’s not like Canada is some tiny country like Iceland. If you look for talent in a huge ass country you’ll find it and since they don’t have to compete with a shit load of school’s for talent like in the US they can just scout and build.

    • @Smart-Towel-RG-400
      @Smart-Towel-RG-400 Před 2 lety +2

      @@mikeyjames because NCAA gets so much exposure everyone thinks it's basically pro ball

  • @Amir_Khosrowshahi
    @Amir_Khosrowshahi Před 3 lety +127

    It’s so true how passing is the sign of the higher level player

    • @Jonathan-cz4ky
      @Jonathan-cz4ky Před 3 lety

      MJ and Kobe?

    • @qbQubii
      @qbQubii Před 3 lety +5

      Liam the exceptions prove the rule.

    • @Jonathan-cz4ky
      @Jonathan-cz4ky Před 3 lety

      qbQubii no the exceptions show that it makes sense for the majority of players but not the highest level ones. The best should have the ball in their hands.

    • @KiddsWorldEntertainment
      @KiddsWorldEntertainment Před 3 lety +1

      Liam You obviously didn’t get it

    • @willythough
      @willythough Před 3 lety +8

      Liam Kobe and Jordan were great passers. They just didn’t pass because the ball should be in their hands.

  • @demontrauma2373
    @demontrauma2373 Před 3 lety +140

    Holy shit dude Ottawa represent let’s goooooo

  • @Shinobi33
    @Shinobi33 Před 3 lety +49

    Let them in March Madness. Or at least some tournaments

  • @LowLeveledPower
    @LowLeveledPower Před 3 lety +62

    Dude at the 2019 USports Nationals, I watched this team go down 6 points in the 4th quarter.
    Dave Smart sat down, put his face in his hands, and by the time he looked back up, Carleton was up by 2.

    • @dc7236
      @dc7236 Před 3 lety +2

      Thatsssss CRAZY

    • @localppc242
      @localppc242 Před rokem

      @@dc7236 what’s crazy? 6 points in the 4th Qtr? What beginning, middle, last minute? 6 points is nothing.

  • @coachp9139
    @coachp9139 Před 3 lety +149

    This is awesome to see different schemes other than the NBA and NCAA! Would love to see some overseas and even international FIBA vids.

    • @davecosman9283
      @davecosman9283 Před 2 lety +3

      Charles Hantomacos is the head coach of the International Academy with FIBA, right?. I grew up playing ball with him. He was the assistance coach, this year, for the U16, All-Canadian team. 2021. Amazing knowledge of the game.

  • @andresgirardo8481
    @andresgirardo8481 Před 3 lety +30

    Besides the principles, I see 5 guys playing amazing individual/collective defense.

    • @johntallanger4036
      @johntallanger4036 Před 2 lety

      It's easy when everyone is on the same page as to what is happening and what the concepts are. Otherwise, you have everyone playing under a different defensive philosophy and strategy and they all look like shit.

  • @daltondouthwright3975
    @daltondouthwright3975 Před 3 lety +7

    As a Carleton student this was really cool to see!

  • @Amardeep248
    @Amardeep248 Před 3 lety +2

    I have seen Carleton play courtside. It's poetry.

  • @jungroan
    @jungroan Před 3 lety +115

    What also wasn't mentioned at a personal level was that Carleton's system relies on a lot of very specific CU concepts and terminology. It's one of the reasons (besides quality of shooting, spacing, and players) that the defensive scheme is so hard to import across.
    The biggest reason why the scheme DOES work though is ego management. A lot of why Carleton dominates preseason is that right out of the gate, every player commits to grinding - which doesn't sound like anything out of the ordinary, but then you start thinking about the egos of young high school basketball recruits.

    • @johntallanger4036
      @johntallanger4036 Před 2 lety

      Are they getting super smart, disciplined, kids that the US doesn't have access to for some reason? I'm not getting it.
      How can they have a system that has a complexity level that Jay Wright can barely follow it but teach it to normal college kids?
      Does it require the players multiple years to learn it before they can step on the floor?

    • @crayolapencils247
      @crayolapencils247 Před 2 lety +2

      @@johntallanger4036 They tend to take alot of local kids who are familiar with the team and respect Smart so when they walk in the door they already know what they're in for

    • @johntallanger4036
      @johntallanger4036 Před 2 lety +2

      @@crayolapencils247 That makes sense. It could conceivably work at any level. It would just severely limit the players you could use bc of the amount of dumbasses in basketball.

  • @davyjonessmallesttentacle

    Respect to giving Carleton and U sports good coverage! Also i've never played basketball competitively but love watching it so hearing the intricacies and inner workings of a really good scheme was cool too so props to you

  • @fortniteconnaisseur4127
    @fortniteconnaisseur4127 Před 3 lety +129

    Who’s here from coach Daniel? Also great breakdown

    • @romanStillmatic
      @romanStillmatic Před 3 lety +1

      Me Lmaooo

    • @nowornever7629
      @nowornever7629 Před 3 lety

      Hell yea i love both channels now🏀🌎

    • @raymondqiu8202
      @raymondqiu8202 Před 3 lety

      Which Coach Daniel video did you come from? Can't seem to find where he mentioned this team or channel

    • @nowornever7629
      @nowornever7629 Před 3 lety +1

      @I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS i feel you but hey i respect any team thats going to make you use ur off hand. I was watching nba last night that shyt wouldnt work cuz every1 is good af using both hands lol

  • @carlosmendez3955
    @carlosmendez3955 Před 3 lety +1

    Bro, you fully broke it down, amazing video, very insightful watching it from a offensive perspective, a super elite defense

  • @Noah-xr9jl
    @Noah-xr9jl Před 2 lety +4

    I’m Canadian (from Ottawa) and before COVID I went to games all the time great team fun to watch I actually remember Smart he seemed like a great coach

  • @kushdaddyblaze7
    @kushdaddyblaze7 Před 2 lety +1

    @hoopvision68 you have by far this coolest channel/content I have ever come across. Keep up the good work!

  • @coachloganryan
    @coachloganryan Před 3 lety +4

    What's good Jordan @hoopvision68 ,
    Just want to show you some love for this hella raw video. I was familiar with Carleton and Smart's defense before from Basketball Immersion, but your breakdown of what makes it work is brilliant. The way you share what they do effectively (dictating versus forcing; similarities and differences compared to Texas Tech and Virginia; the shock and under coverage). Also your video editing is on point.
    Separate note, I've followed your work for a while, but I just connected the dots that I heard you before on the Rising Coaches podcast.
    Good work bro, keep going.
    Logan

  • @grege5074
    @grege5074 Před 3 lety +150

    the "K" in Carleton stands for "Quality"

    • @danielballer9043
      @danielballer9043 Před 3 lety +7

      My brother went to carleton and im going to play on the basketball team that quote is so funny

    • @kiroolioneaver8532
      @kiroolioneaver8532 Před 3 lety +2

      "Last Chance U" lol

    • @grege5074
      @grege5074 Před 3 lety +8

      For the uninitiated; in Ontario all universities have a friendly rivalry and we all make fun of each other
      If you can walk and talk, go to Brock
      If you can walk faster, go to McMaster
      Laurier is the "high school down the street" from Waterwoo

    • @kiroolioneaver8532
      @kiroolioneaver8532 Před 3 lety +4

      @@grege5074 "hold a fork/go to York"; Try Real Education Next Time (Trent)

    • @mkobd
      @mkobd Před 3 lety

      Greg E is there one for uOttawa?

  • @ScottyShaw
    @ScottyShaw Před 3 lety +34

    People like Dave Smart are why I practiced to become a fully-ambidextrous player

    • @jojoprocess2820
      @jojoprocess2820 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@abc-hl8jxnot as much as youd think. Even at the nba player players are pretty strong hand dominant. And it makes sense
      No matter how good you get at your offhand, chances are your strong hand is still better so why its still best to use it significantly more. The offhand becomes more of a counter rather than a primary playstle.

  • @whitneymacdonald4396
    @whitneymacdonald4396 Před 2 lety +1

    Nice breakdown. I always loved the defensive side of the ball. This is awesome.

  • @divad23
    @divad23 Před 2 lety +2

    I loved the “shock and under” scheme. Makes a lot of sense. Genius

  • @alf2540
    @alf2540 Před 3 lety

    Awesome friggin video. Absolutely love it. Thanks for this

  • @RoseCityRebel
    @RoseCityRebel Před 3 lety +3

    THANK YOU for putting respect on my country 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

  • @bbcoachlara
    @bbcoachlara Před 3 lety +1

    I love the concept/principle of making the pass 'on target on time' very difficult and focusing on that notion.
    With my kids, I'm not sure I could get them all on the same page enough to execute this but I think I'll try this out a bit - currently we run a variation of the packline and our founding principle is "keep the ball out of the paint" and we help early, front the low post, and help all the way to the midline from the weakside and it's yielded great results.
    We've also tried the a "box" defense where the concept is never allow a ball reversal, once they choose a side of the floor, deny passes or drives to the other side and push the available floor (the box) to the corner to where it shrinks over and over until they have little space to operate or stuck in the corner.

  • @3again1999
    @3again1999 Před 3 lety

    Great research and analysis. Really well made video

  • @gamemonsterr
    @gamemonsterr Před 3 lety +2

    Great video, we want more U sports hoop videos coach!

  • @jathbr4113
    @jathbr4113 Před 10 měsíci +2

    3:20 is interesting because he’s now an Assistant coach at Texas Tech.

  • @coachmcguirk6297
    @coachmcguirk6297 Před 3 lety +1

    The meta of any game is typically very slow to change. Its rare to have a sudden dramatic shift in playstyle. What ends up happening instead are a lot of small innovations that over time define a new meta. Things like this defense, or chip kellys fast football offense with the ducks in the early 2010s are really fun and entertaining to watch because they really do change the entire game in an instant, giving us something totally new and exciting.

  • @Comedy-Cult
    @Comedy-Cult Před 3 lety

    Love the video. Very well done.

  • @danl914
    @danl914 Před 3 lety +1

    Yall gone blow up. Watch it. Market urselves as a huge company and u will be huge one day. So much work and analytics went into this

  • @javenwilson5985
    @javenwilson5985 Před 2 lety +4

    I went to Carleton during their reign of terror and only saw a few games they were tbh a little boring because we were so dominant. I also played HS ball in Canada and the rumor was that Smart hooked up Canadians with D1 schools in the states so he didn't have to play against them.

  • @zeekhop5380
    @zeekhop5380 Před 2 lety +1

    This is sick!!! I play hockey at Carleton U

  • @david.tousignant20
    @david.tousignant20 Před 3 lety +16

    More and more U Sports teams are starting to compete (and win) against D1 & D2 programs with a fraction of the infrastructures and $.
    But, none are dominating like Carleton. Imagine if the Ravens had the tools of the biggest NCAA programs.

    • @david.tousignant20
      @david.tousignant20 Před 3 lety +6

      @I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS
      I attended multiple NCAA-U Sports exhibition games.
      When Duke played McGill. All of their starters played their minutes when the game was still on the line. RJ Barrett and Zion Williamson went berserk in the first half.
      The coaches of the South Florida and Quinnipiac universities, while playing University Laval, didn't disturbed their rotations minutes neither.
      Next time, you should took the time to watch those games or look at the Boxscore...

    • @david.tousignant20
      @david.tousignant20 Před 3 lety +2

      @AA Sharp
      You think players like Zion Williamson and Coach Krzyzewski aren't taken their game against McGill seriously? I was there. Zion Williamson finished with 36 points, 12 rebounds and three blocks.
      The intensity displayed by Duke's players was incredible. They did take it seriously. Because, after 4 minutes of play, McGill was ahead, until a McGill player started to trash talk RJ Barrett (if I remember correctly).
      I'm not saying U Sports teams would compete against the top tier D1 teams.

    • @jackmcg8310
      @jackmcg8310 Před 3 lety +1

      Well in volleyball trinity western and u of a absolutely dogged UCLA, if Hawaii played trinity last year they woulda lost

  • @mrlbird33
    @mrlbird33 Před 3 lety +10

    I audibly gasped when I saw that Shock coverage, so creative!

    • @conlanchastain3708
      @conlanchastain3708 Před 3 lety +1

      I read this ahead of time and thought you were exaggerating until I literally did the same thing when I saw it 😂

    • @clevefisher5726
      @clevefisher5726 Před 3 lety +1

      Isn't "shock coverage" just hedge and recover? Similar to how UVA covers on-ball screens?

    • @aledjones7454
      @aledjones7454 Před 3 lety +2

      @@clevefisher5726 Hedge and Recover the guard typically chases over top of the screen instead of going under. The role of the big is similar between the two coverage's though

    • @aledjones7454
      @aledjones7454 Před 3 lety +5

      Interesting coverage that I haven't really seen much of before, thinking offensively how to take advantage of it, if the ball handler waited a split second and allowed his defender to go under and onto the other side of the ball screen, couldn't they then just have the big immediately twist and re-screen and you would have both defenders on the wrong side of the ball screen?

    • @XWDaniel
      @XWDaniel Před 3 lety

      Love this video and I agree that's the part that caught my eye. I was hoping he elaborated

  • @tristantoledo6866
    @tristantoledo6866 Před 3 lety +1

    Go Ravens! Proud to be a Carleton student.

  • @peternelles3170
    @peternelles3170 Před 3 lety +43

    ayy carleton ravens are the best... represent ottawa

    • @rory_M
      @rory_M Před 3 lety +2

      I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS CAN YOU PLEASE STOP TYPING LIKE THIS AND MAKING DUMBASS EXCUSES FOR AMERICAN TEAMS THAT SHOULD PLAY AT EXTREMELY HIGH LEVELS! AMERICAN TEAMS LITERALLY HAVE ALL OF THE BEST CANADIAN PLAYERS AND CANADA HAS RANDOS

    • @snaykhead8857
      @snaykhead8857 Před 3 lety

      @@rory_M very cool

    • @baller1831
      @baller1831 Před 2 lety

      @@rory_M then how come Carleton beat these d1 teams?

  • @tooforwon241
    @tooforwon241 Před 2 lety

    I remember going to the 2019 Capital Hoops Classic back when I was a student at the rival school uOttawa. I honestly admire how good of a basketball team Carleton is despite my Gee-Gees getting destroyed. Their women's team we beat tho, so that was satisfying to watch. Plus we beat the men's team in the latest game in 2020 LETS GOOO!

  • @navarregallant4797
    @navarregallant4797 Před 2 lety

    As a kid in Nova Scotia Canada, I'm not surprised by what Carleton can do. Also, my coach uses this force left defensive strategy as well

  • @Kelburne63
    @Kelburne63 Před 3 lety

    I love concepts like this its similar to like the miracle on ice like a completely different style of play that jusy wins

  • @francoeurtim
    @francoeurtim Před 3 lety +4

    If college hockey had an audience like college basketball, there'd be a video like this about UNB and Gardiner MacDougall.

  • @OttawaRocks
    @OttawaRocks Před 3 lety

    One discussion missing from here is how different the Canadian and US systems of college basketball are (example: how different recruiting works or the lack of scholarships in Canada). Obviously, that discussion is worth a separate video.

  • @richardtaylor6341
    @richardtaylor6341 Před 2 lety

    "On target on time" is a great coach phrase...

  • @franciscosamir5256
    @franciscosamir5256 Před 2 lety

    I didn't know this university or this defensive scheme existed, but I came up with almost the same thing when drawing the one for my teams.

  • @RBenyaminov
    @RBenyaminov Před 3 lety

    Great video!

  • @bryanmatthews9591
    @bryanmatthews9591 Před 5 měsíci

    I remember playing against Carleton like 20 years ago…they were the only team that always forced me right…which was totally the right way to play me…my pull up and passing game when I go right was way weaker even though I was right handed…really good strategy and great scouting / film analysis

  • @onthesideline-coachprevost1116

    I wish my youth team could come and watch them practice. It be such a great experience.

  • @jacksonwhitley8205
    @jacksonwhitley8205 Před 3 lety +5

    Excellent video, I really enjoyed that. My grandfather played at Carlton back in the day and used to tell me all about his days as a collegiate basketball player and it inspired me to become one when I was presented the opportunity. Do you have a video about their offensive game? Their defense is great, but what methods do they use to score the ball effectively

  • @lucamacchiavello8502
    @lucamacchiavello8502 Před 3 lety

    great video!

  • @archetypicalmind
    @archetypicalmind Před 3 lety +2

    We tried to use this when coach Smart was with the Canadian National Team. It worked good when we could communicate and not screw up, but lots of guys weren't used to it. Being cohesive was more important, and because it's an unusual defensive strategy most players aren't able to do consistently. Huge respect to coach Smart, good to see him getting some recognition.

    • @johntallanger4036
      @johntallanger4036 Před 2 lety

      Ok yeah, this video wasn't making sense to me. Does it require multiple years to learn the system? A unique level of intelligence? If Jay Wright was confused then how are Carleton's players getting it?
      A disciplined "force left, don't overhelp" with some quirks is really about the limit of what you can do in most cases unless you have genius level players and take a lot of time teaching them.

    • @johntallanger4036
      @johntallanger4036 Před 2 lety

      What were the parts you guys were having the hardest time with? And do you think if you were given more time with it that it would be effective?
      Also, was Smart able to recognize it was too much to absorb quickly and wasn't really working?

    • @archetypicalmind
      @archetypicalmind Před 2 lety

      @@johntallanger4036 it was a combination of things, the biggest factor was probably just time practicing that system. Most guys have played most types of defence and have drilled enough to know the help rotations depending on what the team is doing, but not enough of the team were able to adjust.
      The most important player in this defence is the on ball defender, the rest of the team can adjust based on what he's doing. If the guy on the ball doesn't force left then if a pick comes or if he gets beat right, then the whole defence has to adjust and it's usually a delayed reaction that chains down the line as the guys try and recover and no one knows for sure what the others guys are going to do. First help, mostly a big in a pick and roll situation, is out of position and so he's either got to try and switch or gives up a shot, the 2nd helper who would be taking the roller doesn't know if there's going to be a switch or not either doesn't get there in time for the roller, or he does, but then leaves the skip pass open because the guard on the ball either switched onto the big or chased his man.
      It got to the point that when we had to adjust like that, the other team had their way and could pick us apart. We were better off just picking one defence everyone knew and sticking with it.. the problem was we had been practicing the force left system the whole time. It was a good defence when everyone was on the same page..so yeah it was mostly just an issue of time spend practicing it.

    • @johntallanger4036
      @johntallanger4036 Před 2 lety

      @@archetypicalmind Thanks. What you described is mostly my read on it. At the end of the day it seems like it's just a force left system but where he drills to death to execute that component of it.
      Once everyone on the team forces everything left every single time without a question then you have something to work with. At that point such a new pattern of play has been created that any wrinkles and complications you add will look and sound genius.
      But getting everyone to do it correctly ever time is the bitch of the thing. You could probably do a "force right" defense too and if you can get everyone to do it every single time it'll work.

    • @archetypicalmind
      @archetypicalmind Před 2 lety

      @@johntallanger4036 you could drill any defence to death and it will work mechanically.. I think the reason force left has been so successful for Smart is that statistically players are weaker with the ball in their left hand.. satistically worse at passing one handed left, driving hard and finish left, that kind of thing. When it's done successfully the ball will get pushed into the corner and you can shoot gaps for passes / over play the first pass because any skip passed will be lobbed or off target.
      It's been a while but I think this video was for highschool, so the players being weaker left would be even more apparent in this set up.

  • @bobjeffers4614
    @bobjeffers4614 Před 3 lety +1

    I live in ottawa and this team is crazy to watch in person

  • @HammerFitness1
    @HammerFitness1 Před 3 lety

    Great video

  • @bigl9316
    @bigl9316 Před 3 lety

    Great vid!

  • @courtsidemanor1096
    @courtsidemanor1096 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Smart is getting his chance at USA D1 ball head coaching. Univ. of Pacific.

  • @coryernewein
    @coryernewein Před 3 lety +1

    That's a good defensive play style, I think a motion offense with lots of off ball movement may work well against it in my personal experience playing OCAA basketball

  • @EddieFonzarelli
    @EddieFonzarelli Před 3 lety

    Never thought anything good, basketballwise, would ever come out of Ottawa.
    Go Ravens!

  • @ryanho6975
    @ryanho6975 Před rokem +1

    If ur reading this in 2023, Carleton just won their 4th national championship in a row and their 17th nation championship since 2003. They have also never lost in the finals.

  • @lamzy3773
    @lamzy3773 Před 3 lety

    Yay !!!! My Uni !!!! You rock!!!

  • @NES8312
    @NES8312 Před 3 lety +1

    his defense resembles frank martin's defense a ton. Especially the two teams he had from 2015-2017

  • @jacoblowenberg2160
    @jacoblowenberg2160 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Used to go to carleton camps - got one of the players to explain this scheme. He said its all about making them make bad passes

  • @KevinSar
    @KevinSar Před 3 lety

    I love that he incorporates personnel and scouting reports in his defensive philosophy. I watch nba coaches sometimes not understand wthell they're doing defensively and I can't believe they are coaching at the highest levels. Esp since milwaukee has shown how to frustrate harden and then you see teams still get killed by him, makes no sense

  • @MagicCityFLA
    @MagicCityFLA Před 3 lety +3

    Ravens representing ! 613 comin in hot!!!

  • @pqh32
    @pqh32 Před rokem

    My Kentucky is playing them this Saturday in Bahamas

  • @CourticalHoops
    @CourticalHoops Před 3 lety +1

    These guys have been so under the radar!

  • @CA.....
    @CA..... Před 3 lety +2

    I've see these guys play in pre-season games before, and they play fast, disciplined and hard from the start. Great to watch.

  • @robertblount1377
    @robertblount1377 Před 3 lety +1

    I'm a New Yorker who played for a Canadian school, Dalhousie University, back in the early 1970s. I see that Dalhousie got to the Canadian finals this year where they lost by 9 to, guess who, Carleton. Go Dal!
    What I like about the shock and go under is that the guard who goes under can hold up the screener rolling to the basket so that the big defender can more easily get back to the screener. If the big defender (the shocker) does a good enough job on the ballhandler, the ballhandler should have to loop away from the basket momentarily. This should allow the small defender to get back to the ballhandler before a shot goes up.
    One thing I noticed about the passers in this video. They all passed on the run. That got them in trouble. Coming to a jump stop before making the pass should help with not turning the ball over as it allows for greater body control/balance.

    • @RoryMacLellan
      @RoryMacLellan Před 3 lety +1

      Fellow Dal alum alum here. Dal lead after three quarters and then Carleton poured it on in the last 10 minutes or so. :(

    • @jungroan
      @jungroan Před 3 lety

      You can say stuff like that about jump stops like an old high school coach, but on a dead ball in the paint, the trap/double/triple is coming instantly. There isn't enough shooting and spacing for the ball handler to be slowing down decision making like that.

    • @r.forrestblount9222
      @r.forrestblount9222 Před 3 lety

      @@jungroan , disagree. Knowing that traps are coming instantly gives you the foreknowledge/plan of what to do before it happens. You are prepared going into the situation. When you have 3 point shooters everywhere, when you know where they are rotating to, and you have fundamental skill, it makes it easy. Coming to a stop after drawing a double allows you to make a trapping defense pay over and over. If you don't come to a stop you better see something that tells you that your pass is a done deal.
      Also, there is plenty of shooting and volumes of spacing in today's game - way more than there used to be.

  • @fusionsauze713
    @fusionsauze713 Před 3 lety +2

    Fellow Canadians, I think we can all agree this is the most interesting thing that happens in Ottawa
    Like how are u the capital of Canada and take a backseat to every other major Canadian city

  • @anthonysprott650
    @anthonysprott650 Před 3 lety +120

    Put the top 4 Canadian team in the NCAA toury

    • @FennyWhopper
      @FennyWhopper Před 3 lety +21

      I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS stop ruining the Comments

    • @DontBeClueless514
      @DontBeClueless514 Před 3 lety +16

      @I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS all made up. They werent bench warmers at all. Salty American spotted.

    • @realSanta420
      @realSanta420 Před 3 lety +4

      @@DontBeClueless514 it's a troll account read the name not salt

    • @RogerPack
      @RogerPack Před 3 lety +2

      Or maybe top 1?

    • @anthonysprott650
      @anthonysprott650 Před 3 lety +2

      The reason we should is.....
      1. They can hang
      2. Slices things up, giving fans a unique fan experience.
      3. Opens up having the “final four” in a Toronto or Vancouver.

  • @charles-ps6qh
    @charles-ps6qh Před 3 lety

    Awesome. 👏🏾👏🏾

  • @ssk-_-dotz3773
    @ssk-_-dotz3773 Před 3 lety

    carleton is a basketball powerhouse

  • @carltonhill6079
    @carltonhill6079 Před 3 lety +4

    Thumbs up for the San Diego State defense shout out! #GOAZTECS

  • @md23603
    @md23603 Před 3 lety +5

    I’m a South Dakotan and don’t mind our sports teams, we are straight garbage paste who have college teams that would lose to national ranked hs teams

  • @alexanderstefanidis5169

    Yooo I go to Carleton I didn’t even know the ball team went so hard🔥🔥

  • @nicjunker7707
    @nicjunker7707 Před 3 lety

    This is a great account

  • @CODGOLFER19
    @CODGOLFER19 Před 3 lety

    Let’s go Ravens baby!! 4 championships in the 4 years I was there! Proud alum!!

  • @theironrhino110
    @theironrhino110 Před 3 lety

    I go to this school. Great place to study.

  • @waynemcfarlane9175
    @waynemcfarlane9175 Před 3 lety +1

    It is Canadian University where student athletes are expected to be students and graduate Carlton has some tough teams to play during their season like University of Ottawa and Ryerson in Toronto.

  • @troygt2182
    @troygt2182 Před 3 lety

    Would like to see this team vs this years auburn team. Very good guard play at AU

  • @tacmaster7887
    @tacmaster7887 Před 3 lety +7

    LETS GO OTOWN!

  • @garrettdebuse9476
    @garrettdebuse9476 Před 2 lety

    This is literally lacrosse defense implemented really well. Not a surprise a Canadian team was able to perfect it.

  • @mkdeluxe6239
    @mkdeluxe6239 Před 3 lety +9

    Ayyy I go to Carleton sick seeing my school ha ha everyone loves basketball here

    • @OhNightfall
      @OhNightfall Před 3 lety

      lol u still get slapped in the panda game tho 💀💀💀💀

  • @mlixz2872
    @mlixz2872 Před rokem +1

    Kentucky just played Carleton, and Kentucky won 118-56. Kentucky had scrubs in with 6 minutes left in second half, in which Carleton went on a 14-2 run. Kentucky might just win it this year.

  • @AceVenturaWhenNatureCalls

    Great video man, you could make the white text slightly smaller

  • @aarongilboa3081
    @aarongilboa3081 Před 3 lety

    My city finally getting some love

  • @pastequeman
    @pastequeman Před 2 lety

    that graphs with win and losses of carleton could have been done better ... which does not underminbe how excellent that video is.

  • @austinwalters3219
    @austinwalters3219 Před 3 lety +2

    The Canadian Basketball School That Crushes Lower to Mid Tier NCAA Teams in Exhibition Games in the Summer Sometimes

  • @GamingAddict202
    @GamingAddict202 Před 3 lety

    Wow, I learned today

  • @bobjeffers4614
    @bobjeffers4614 Před 3 lety

    I live in ottawa and this team won 16 straight USports championships

  • @XSpamDragonX
    @XSpamDragonX Před 3 lety +78

    He's playing hockey defense.

    • @AssistantToTheRegionalManager
      @AssistantToTheRegionalManager Před 3 lety +22

      @I RUIN YOUR COMMENTS So it's nice to see you're uneducated about those pre-season games. The teams have actually played their top players against Carleton, because they know if they played their bench guys they'd get absolutely crushed. Even when they play their top guys they end up losing... But hey, live in your own mind.

    • @antoniotrejo9240
      @antoniotrejo9240 Před 3 lety +1

      And it’s beautiful

    • @jacquizzlemons1980
      @jacquizzlemons1980 Před 3 lety +2

      I was gonna say it’s also similar to lacrosse defense. Especially with forcing players away from the middle and to the wrong hand. And the way you play screens in lacrosse is similar too. My friend is a basketball coach and I always irritate him in 2k because I use lacrosse defense

    • @VillainousShow
      @VillainousShow Před 3 lety

      @@jacquizzlemons1980 You use a Zone in 2k or you move you man a certain way in M2M or Trap defense?

    • @jacquizzlemons1980
      @jacquizzlemons1980 Před 3 lety

      Villainous Show I do both. Mostly man but sometimes a 3-2. But even when I play man I’ll switch to the help defender so I can slide over earlier and force the rotation because 2k sucks for help defense

  • @lukastorunski7639
    @lukastorunski7639 Před 3 lety +3

    This university is a five minute walk from my house, Ottawa represent

  • @pardalxxx
    @pardalxxx Před 3 lety +1

    This reminds me that bart and milhouse got in the canadian olympic team :D

  • @hb3528
    @hb3528 Před 3 lety +1

    Had no idea this defensive scheme existed. Probably takes very smart players to do well

    • @serendipitys2970
      @serendipitys2970 Před 3 lety +1

      It's not uncommon for their newer players to sit multiple years before contributing. Something really interesting is that Carleton have always been able to turn "underwhelming" players into contributors by the end of their eligibility, which is a sign of both smart/willing to learn players as well as very strong coaching. It's between ridiculous and boring just how strong they are every year. In the end, many players actually go on to play for our national team or in Europe, they're just obviously not nearly as gifted athletically or they'd be attending an American college with NBA aspirations.

  • @gingerr8015
    @gingerr8015 Před 3 lety

    Hopefully theyll get more attention, especially because the Raptors have begun to make basketball stand out mor in Canada