Huge Differences in Quality! - Steeldive V Heimdallr V San Martin V Cronos V Tisell
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- čas přidán 26. 01. 2021
- Comparing these dive watches, Steeldive v Heimdllr v San Martin v Cronos v Tisell Rolex Submariner Homages, which has the best bracelet!
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Homage watches are legal as long as they do not carry the name or trademarked terms or names of the original maker which no watches in this video do.
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As you probably know, the steeldive have started including new, higher quality bracelets. Feels much nicer and now includes a milled clasp with logo. And it has 6 micro adjusts
Yep I agree steeldive are brilliant for the money but by the pictures it seems san martin rule lol wonder why!?
Another great express comparison video! Thanks for putting the macros in at the end, Gary. That backed up what you were saying, that we couldn't see in the first part of the video! 👍
great video! I really like that you included some macro shots, please do more of it! 😁
This video is fantastic. Who goes into this detail! Nobody. And it's never dull.
Love the brief intro as well. Really good.
This is top quality stuff.
Thank you, very strong and kind words!
Great comparison! San martin immediately looks like a standout above the rest
Yes, they are the best "micro" brand on AliExpress I believe. It is one of the reasons I feature them so much on my channel, they are incredible value!
@@DM-rc4yu You can’t be buying a watch from China and expect above and beyond support. Especially for items you’ve already paid for, they are more than likely to ignore you. I had payment issues and I wanted to change my order multiple times and they replied to my emails in like 5 minutes. I was pretty surprised honestly.
Thanks for these little comparison videos matey, they're really helpful! I want to make a Seiko Marine Master 300 'homage' from parts, these quality comparisons have stopped me making a "mistake" or 2 with my future purchases, gonna shop about for some better quality bits, thanks Garry.
Nice to include those macro shots. They definitely show how much of a difference there is in quality between the bracelets. 👍😉
Well done SanMartin, many of us appreciate the reduced length of their end link design. Out of scope I know, but the thinner V2 clasp is preferable.
Steeldive, Heimdallr, Tissel: “ it’s not you it’s me”
Chronos: 🎤🎹 “Isn’t she lovely...”
San Martin: 🎼🎻 “I think I love you!”
lol!
This is a very educational series of videos! As a costumer, you rarely get the opportunity to educate yourself with this level of detail.
Loving this comparison series Gary. As with the previous comparisons your attention to detail is second to none. Loving the macro at the end too 🔬
It’s a shame you’ve got a bad one with that Tisell. I’ve got a Tisell Explorer homage and I couldn’t be happier with the quality. The extra long centre links on the end links aren’t the best visually but I can live with them for the price.
You have a very good eye for details Gary. Thank you for the comparisons. 📫
These comparison series are really great, useful information, thanks Gary!
My pleasure, thanks for watching and supporting!
Great results. I just bought the San Martin SN017 V3. Very happy with the bracelet of course. Thanks ILW. Big fan!!!
Great to hear! thanks for watching!
This is a great comparison series. Thank you Gary 😊👍
My San Martin's screws were difficult to remove at first. I mangled some of them! I had to use pliers with a screwdriver to loosen them. If the Tisell clasp fit, it would be perfect!
I like the brushing on the Cronos the best. I always though San Martin was made in the same factory as Cronos but obviously not seeing as how different they are. Nice comparison video!
I don't want to be mean, but you do know that the 'real deal' Rolex bracelet has gaps between the links, right? They are there for venting the wrist and not pinching hair or trapping wrist heat, as another channel usually puts it. Also the bracelet on the San Martin seems too thick, unrefined and over-built to be truly the best. Refinement is also a sign of quality. That is why a Mercedes S-class is considered more luxurios than a tank.
I’m not sure you are looking at the gaps I’m referring to
Some reviewers complain about gaps, whilst others say the bracelet is more flexible and therefore more comfortable. Comparison reviews are all well and good, but while I love my Toyota Corolla- the best car I’ve ever had- comparing it to a Mercedes costing three times as much, is a trifle unfair.
Fantastic review Gary!!! This information and presented facts and pics are most useful. Thank you for another outstanding video. Cheers
Fantastic review! Thank you Gary! Keep up the excellent work.
Hi Gary, thanks for the macro shots surprising what you find. The SAN Martin seems to tick a few boxes though. So what’s the next video about the crowns,to small,to big plain or fancy surprise us all.
People often don’t look at a watch as a complete piece of jewellery but for the longevity of enjoyment of the piece i would say the bracelet is often the most important part, especially when it has fitted end links!
Thank you Gary. Super helpful. The close-up really drive the point home. BTW - what do you use for close-up shots?
A cheap macro lens for my iphone
@@ilikewatches Glad you bought one! Looks good.
Try Apexel HD
My San Martin arrived with only 1 of 4 springbar ends actually seated in the lug hole. It took some work with a round file to get the other 3 to seat, and 1 is still not fully seated, enough to prevent dislodging, but I expected this detail to be a no-brainer.
One of your best videos yet!
Thank you 🙏!
Great video Gary! I enjoyed it!
Interesting review. Keep doing what your doing. It's working well.
San Martin and Chronos really stand out. Thanks for the comparison
Thank you for the review!
I wonder, what do you need the hair comb for?)
Beard!
I love the quality of San Martin, i just wish they do away with the Hex logo and printed font on the dial, and place the applied logo which they have on their other watches.
I have been debating getting a San Martin for some time now. Thanks for the vid!
Keep watching this series as there is much more to come!
I'm still getting
the tisell explorer
after watching all the reviews on CZcams. especially the all things random review 👍🏼.
Love the quality clasp on the SM.
First comment! :-)
Great type of content that individuals can hardly afford!
I would appreciate you make (more editing-intensive) more macro shots and face to face (2 watches on the same screen) so that we clearly see the differences.
I like rating systems some YT channels set up, so that we get:
- elements of comparison that we'll be able to reuse for our future buys (bracelet flexibility, brushing/polishing consistency and finesse, type of pins, marks of machining, finish, gaps between the links)
- a quantitative way of comparing watches, not only qualitative appreciations.
- a deeper understanding of price difference, when it's based on technical work involved in the machining
I haven't watched the video yet but I bet San Martin does well.
Finally decided to go for the san martin. Thanks mate
Almost lost a finger today, changing bracelet for strap, on my SM v3 two tone. The edges on the lugs is soo sharp! They have yet to make me bleed, but close. Still for me the best out there. My only complain is the that and to some extent the sharpness of the bracelet. Round that off a bit and you have a watch that would be at least 1-2K if it was a Oris/Tissot level Swiss brand. It has the best proportions! Super lume, solid built. Got my 5th San Martin on the way (new SN058 date just)
Just use some very fine wet n dry paper.
Great comparison!
Great work, Gary. I really enjoyed the close ups at the end. It's funny when seeing these five together like that at the beginning of the video, you notice quite quickly that there are some noticeable differences between these bracelets. Cool.
Pertruding male center links from the end-links is one of the most stupid things ever, San Martin seemed to sinned least here in that matter I think. I get that the original prolly had male center links like that.
However, look at how Strapcode does their, ahem, "O-style" male center links for the SKX models (and probably others?): It curves down nicely, and doesn't make the L2L size noticeable bigger like many others. Learn from that. Otherwise, female end center links is always superior IMHO.
Loved the video! i was wondering if the bracelets are interchangeable? For example, could i put a san martin bracelet on the tissel?
No sadly, the spring bar holes are not located in standard positions
Since this series is so good could you do a comparison of sub 100$ dollars batman GMTs, say parnis, bliger, pagani design, phylida, manbushijie, etc ?
Good video Gary! Though I care more about general comfort than tolerances and such. Which bracelet do you think is the most comfortable overall?
I find the Cronos is the most comfortable and I think that is down to the average sized end links and thinner lighter bracelet....The San MArtin is incredible but it is chunkier and heavier. Welcome to my Patreon by the way! Thank you for joining!
@@ilikewatches Thank you! I would've guessed Cronos simply because of the smaller and lighter bracelet, that's sorta what I prefer overall. I'm really happy about joining Patreon!
San Martin are head and shoulders above the rest! Love there bracelets and there rock solid clasps!😃 Great comparison series👍🏻👍🏻
I'm really enjoying this comparison series, Gary! My conclusion so far: if you want to get the best of these watches, get a San Martin. If you want a decent low-priced alternative, get a Heimdallr. Cheers👍
🙌🏻 yup
Does the Tisell bracelet have their glidelock clone adjuster as in their Explorerish model?
Sorry John, I'm not that familiar with their other models
Good hounest review of bracelets, cheers Gary
Good afternoon! Very good videos! Thanks you.
Thanks for the information!!
In terms of staying fastened, which is more secure over time, screws or pins?
That depends on the watch and manufacturer instead of pins v screws...
My Tisell...horrible endlinks. 😲
Using Parnis bracelet ...much better!
But had to machine the screw holes
to get the Tisell clasp to go with it.
The bracelet on my Heimdallr Monster is fantastic, more comfortable than my Borealis Sea Storm to be honest. The Steeldive bracelet came straight off never to be seen again!
I wish ya would have opened the clasps , a good clasp means a lot to me
Wow...steel dive for gary..great vid
I put my Heimdallr on a Oysterflex rubber strap (AliExpress has some really good ones with the Rolex style clasp for €15). If only Cronos or San Martin made a no date Submariner, I would buy one instantly.
My San Martin bracelet squeaks when it moves it drives me crazy cuz I love the watch very much ! Hopefully as its worn more it will go away
Thanks for sharing.
I thought my San Martin Pelagos homage would never be beaten and still really isn't-I'd it had a high beat movt I got the blue cronos (supposedly L6015) with pt5k and wow. I'm just shocked at the quality and the movt if fine. It is harder to wind (I greased the clutch and ratcheting wheel to help. I have a sea gull eta clone and it DOES wind easier. Great vid
I always thought San Martin and Cronos come from the same Factory. Am I wrong? 🤔
The LGY factory owns the Cronos brand and they used to have some involvement in making San Martin watches but last year that partnership ended.
@@ilikewatches Seems like SM are top dog for quality now then. Interesting
Which is the better quality watch though? Would hate to buy a crapper watch with a brilliant bracelet…
Regards
I figured you would show the clasps as well. Guess not.
Great review, the more I watch your videos the more convinced I am by San Martin. Having said that they have to do something with the logos. Choose one, and stick with it. And please San Martin, diversify your offer, there is life out of sport watch homage legions... where is the nice dress watch that you reviewed for San Martin, the SN053... ?
YT deleted it sadly when they deleted my old channel.
If only the San Martin came with a PT5000!
Really enjoy these vids. Excellent way of educating us without me having to buy 4 watches, so very much appreciated. It gives us the info to decide what matters to us and what we want to pay more, or less for in all aspects of the product.
Once you get some of your bracelets in from the AliExpress buying spree you are venturing on, it would be great to see where they slot in, so we know what quality levels we can get for our money from there as well. My default assumption is that they look ok from afar but the quality is not the best, so I would love to know how they stack up.
Carry on my Dude!! Look forward to the next instalment.
Thanks.... the bracelet I bought recently is on par with Cronos....
Can any of these bracelets be bought separately ? Do we have a bracelet for the Exciton yet ?
Hi Junior, I don't believe they can and the exciton is still being designed, so still a way off getting the bracelets out there to customers but we are working on it.
@@ilikewatches Hello Gary I belong to Two Discords I've posted one video on the Exciton what outher channels have done reviews of the Exciton I would like to see and post those ?
My San Martin has a very sharp bracelet that makes it uncomfortable to wear all day. Does it also happen with yours? My seikos and Orients have every defect in the world but I can use them comfortably. I bought an SM based on some reviews and I'm very afraid to get some like Heimdallr and Steeldive, since everyone loves the quality of San Martin. I got an SM 62mas V3.
Some day ago I tried to find a new clasp for my Pagani watch.
So, as I have seen, only a clasp of San Martin's bracelet costs about 70$. It's approximately the price of new Steeldive Sub homage watch.
I am not completely sure this comparison is correct.
Many of us just want the bracelet to hold the watch on our wrist. It's not a piece of jewelry to carefully examine with a loupe! What matters is the watch. How accurate it is? How reliable? How easy to use?
I am surprised that you said you didn't like the San Martin endlinks at first. They are probably the best endlinks on budget watches ever produced. Glad you changed your mind because I think your opinion could change their take on the endlink, and that would be horrible to see the standard extremely long endlink on the San Martin.
Yeah....I didn’t like the way they finished short of the lugs, still not a fan on how that looks but I now accept the benefits outweigh the negatives
Those end links on the SM replicate the style seen on another more expensive watch which looks similar to it......*cough* Rolex *cough*
San Martin is the only one to get the end links correct
If you invest 5 Euro in a sheet of 2000 grid and a cheap metal polish, you can easily refine the bracelet of the Tisell to perfection, if you dont have 10 thumbs! I own the Tisell Marine Diver and the Submersible. These are the most perfect watches in any respect, that I ever owned.
Nice job
Include Sugess as well
I have a tisell hulk and a black san martin. San martin has a superb bracelet. Tisell's end links are horrible so i wear it on a tropic strap. On the other hand tisell has a miyota 9015 movement which i like more than san martin's nh35.
Good info
How can I remove side screw
Screwdriver
How strong is the lume on these ?
Reading the comments it seems SM is the clear victor. Which brand comes in second place?
San martian not good on my got a new one now happy😃 Thank you.
so similar and yet so different...well don Garry👍
I've got the san martin. It's a great watch. Unfortunately the bezel does not line up. It drives me nuts and I am unable to fully enjoy the watch. I wrote them asking for the best way to fix the problem. They wrote back basically saying, much more expensive brands have the same problem(so it was not a big deal). I am a little disappointed in that answer.
yes, that is not good! Did you know the bezel insert in only attached with double sidded tape so you can rotate it a few degrees just by pressing into in and twisting it while holding the bezel still.....It will only make a few degrees of difference and youll have painful finger tips for a day but it is usually possible to make enough of a change to take the eye off you noticing it so much! Let me know it that helps!
@@ilikewatches you are the best watch channel on youtube.
It's true though
Would have loved to see Pagani Design in the mix
I did 10 of the cheaper watches last year. Sadly that old channel was removed and I lost that content.
Thanks for video. 👍👏
You pretty much gave the verdict in the thumbnail!
I’m a sharer, what can I say!
The San Martin is easily the best from the first side by side shot.
It’s 2042 and I just married my Swiss wife she is blond and athletic, but she only speaks Mandarin…..
😂
A Pagani Design is missing, which would have been great :/
He probably didn't want to embarrass them.
@@wallytuber it would be great to see, if Pagani is ranking above or below Steeldive
Does the quality of the watches go in the same order?
What is the price difference between the worst and the best?
Very interesting video, the differences are amazing.
Thanks, there are going to be many videos in this series. There are others available to to watch
Cool! San Martin, it is then! Thanks, thumbs up! Subscribed!
Awesome thanks!
Well, that Steeldive has less flex than my Casio twin sensor, so it's still good 🤔😁😂🤣
I read that as twin sister...I may have had a drink...
The Tisell prices must be higher due to the markup from China to Korea.
It also has the best movement
@@ilikewatches Ah, yes the Miyota 9000 series.
You need to include Pagani Design
It's 2023 and I've purchased not long ago a San Martin Water ghost (Rolex submariner homage) with black dial ceramic bezel sapphire glass and sapphire glass date window 2.5 magnification cyclops it has an unbelievable lume it runs on a NH35a automatic movement the quility is beautiful and it has a very eye catching wrist presence and because I bought that and not a real Rolex submariner I can also buy a new car and if I get mugged or robbed in the violent criminal run England of today then I have not lost a fortune..✌️🧐🇬🇧🇺🇦
Please include Steinhart
Steeldive and HEIMDALLR very best
Could you do a video on aliexpress bracelets. Like with aliexpress bracelets will fit a skx or a turtle and so on. Thank you
Yes, it’s already been discussed and I am buying the bracelets too.... my second channel called I like watches 2 has more content...
en mi opinion lo del brazalete es algo irrelevante para mí lo más importante es la caja donde steel dive se los lleva a todos es valor por tu dinero
Comparing San Martin to the rest is unfair - it's like comparing Rolex to an Invicta.
Is the movement japanese ?
I want to complement you on covering relevant watches. I quit following another channel because it kept pimping watches that were *never* available when reviewed and were from suppliers who *never* made any effort to maintain inventory. They are slightly above hobbiests, but not by much. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Richard!
All this micro level scrutinising for budget watch! Jeezus thank you for sending this man to us .Cheers 👍👍👍