Tenere 660 or 700 - Which one is the Better Motorcycle?
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- Is there any real difference between the old Tenere 660 and the new 700? In this video, I will share my opinion on this topic. In the following few minutes, I will compare these two bikes in terms of price, specifications, overall design, functionality, reliability, and performance, and of course, I will end with my personal opinion and final conclusion.
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![Yamaha Tenere 700 - Long Term [66,000km] Owners Review](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/2Oj8ka2F9Pc/mqdefault.jpg)
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I live in Asia, so 250 is big here. At first the 660 was the dream for my European adv, then the new 700. In May my friend and I rented the 660 Tenere and 660 XT for a trip through Morocco. I am fit 54 years old guy, 178 cm and 75 kg. In the two days riding through the desert, 330 km, the Tenere became a monster, a whale. Slight off vertical position due to sand and such, the bike was down. Picking up was a team effort. The XT being lighter, went down only a few times. I was dreaming of my Rally 300 that I have here. The reality is that adv bikes are touring bikes and are used as such for the vast majority of riding. The real question and change of mind set is, do you want to have the right bike when the "real" adventure starts or you want a touring bike that looks cool. For me it's the first, so 200 kg bikes are out, main highways are out and such. My 155 kg, 27 HP Rally is what fits my idea of an adv bike. Still hoping for 35-40 ish HP, 150-160 is kg unicorn. Kove 450 is bit too hard core, hopping the new 452 Himalayan will be light enough and considering the new Triumph scrambler 400X as well. The weight of the rest of the "middle weight" bikes is what makes them into cool touring bikes on the road and whale monsters when off the beaten path adventure starts. Just one guys opinion.
There are no unicorns or universal bikes that fit to everyone. Thanks for sharing your experience!
i have to agree although never rode those 200kg bikes out of pavement. as a 300l owner the only bike i look forward to are chinese kove 450s. the only thing i miss in 300l is 10km/h more without that engine being stressed. as i write this comment 2023 himalayan is shown already and it weights 200kg with 450cc engine… beautiful, fully equipped bike, but because of the weight i will pass. to my knowledgenothing else on the market fits our needs.
Good feedback, had my eye on the honda 300 rally which took a year to enter the country but eventually decided against it,too under powered.
Lovely bike but anything under 40hp just seems a waste of money.
Maybe waiting for a 450 rally will be years away if looking at the Honda and Yamaha brand only.
Still using my xt 660 r soo happy with this old girl . On highway prefer smthg between 120 to 140 km/h after 140 too much viberation. Great for city riding and soft offroads I prefer xt 660 r not xt 660 z coz its lighter
Yamaha Tenere (old or new) is the Toyota Corolla of motorcycles. It won't leave you stranded in any situation. Great video as usual.
Thanks for taking the time!
I've had the XT250, 660 & 700. Prefer size & ergonomics on 660, but the fueling remained imperfect & temperamental. Smooth in dry weather, cranky in the rain. By comparrison, the 700 is larger & heavier, easier to pack camping stuff, more economical, faster smoother better on gravel, easier to stand & ride better looking and require no tuning, pipes power commanders etc.
For local rides, I still use the XT250 most often!!!
Thanks for sharing!
I've had the Tenere 660 for over a year and it was the best bike I've ever had, I traveled all over Brazil, and every time it broke I fixed it with just a few tools.
Unfortunately the 700 was not approved in Brazil.
Thanks for sharing!
Great summary, thank you, Pavlin 👍
My pleasure!
Greetings from Israel- I have 660 - love you channel 👌👍
Good! Thanks!
Yet another great review. Love your work 👍
I appreciate that!
Thanks for an indepth but honest no nonsense review!
Glad it was helpful!
So very true. I got by with my XT 600 for 20 years. Thought those very noticeable vibrations were normal (it is, so to speak almost the same motor as was in your 660 Ténéré. This engine is really ancient and goes, in its roots, back to the 70ies. Over the years, it was just adapted to modern requirements, never to its advantage. That is why the old 600 ended up with 40 ponies.). I never imagined what a difference a parallel twin could make, it was almost like magic (well, apart from the 74 HP - I must admit, they are very nice to have). Never would go back.
Thanks for sharing!
Excellent once again thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent. Thank you Pavlin.
Any time!
Hello from Southern California 🎉 thank you for the information 🏍️
My pleasure!
Thanks for the advice 🙂✌️
Any time!
Love everything with my XTZ except the weight. Cant afford the T7 so I've started slimming down the motorcycle so we'll see how far I get.
Fair enough! You won't be able to take more than 10-12kg off.
Excellent information pavlin👌
Thank you 🙂!
Another great video from Pavlin,but I always ask me ,what is you favorite drink ??
Tea
Of course. I can't afford a new Tenere so I will keep my old one. They are the Swiss Army Knife of motorbikes, can do everything but not always good at it. Mine goes everywhere I put it and I've only had problems that I have made, not the bike.
I agree! They are bulletproof machines!
😻👍
Unfortunately we never got the 660 here. I wish they would have used the gas cap from the old model on the T7. Great video Palvin 👍. Cheers from 🇺🇸.
I agree about the gas cap.
Clear and consice, as usual Pavlin. It all depends on your needs, like riding highways or not. My old Transalp 600 is realiable and easy to ride, but it's an old bike. I have to compensate as a rider, which helps me improving. But maybe I would improve faster with a modern design. Like you said: day and night. All the best, Günter/Nürnberg
Thanks for sharing, Günter!
Still miss my 660. It carried myself and management with our luggage far and wide,, with zero problems.
At the 90 to 100 kmh we like to travel at, it is perfect.
But things move on and more pillion comfort is much better on our dl650xt.
I nearly bought 700 but passenger is not an option. Everything else was almost perfect.
Tubeless next time please, yamaha!
Rides safe and happy travels 👍
Thanks for sharing, Richard!
Management 😂
I had a XT250, T600E, XT660R, XT660Z and XT700. I preferred the weight, size & ergonomics on the 660, but the engine on the 700 is a winner. Smooth, economical, can ride 45km/h in 6th. The 660 started lugging below 70km/h in top gear (5th)
The DL650 is also a bulletproof bike. Not as capable of road, but for traveling it will serve you well.
They are both beautiful.
You are very good making motorcycle videos. In a video before, you said you choose 1 cylinder motorcycle over 2 cylinders.
Yes, correct, but there is not once cylinder motorcycles in this category any more.
I got XT R 660 2007 year, also with lot of modification and in black color. I put higher touring windscreen for better on road drive, and also lot of metal protection for offroad drive. I try new Tenere 700 on road , it is much better motorcycle than mine, but off road I dont think so.
XTR 660 is 30 kg lighter and low heavy motorcycle. Physics always beat technology.
Fair enough!
My T7/2019 made 37k km. Rode all conditions of Europe: TET, ACT, etc. So much gravel, hard and soft. Now, I did a comparison to Tracer 700: what a difference! I totally missed the torque of T7! So, I stay with my Blacky! Very satisfied rider Guenther, Austria
Thanks for sharing!
does the tracer 700 have less power than the tenere? I thought they had the same engine
@@laszlobauer5274 have obviously the same machine, but "mapping" is totally different! What I suppose...
Winter 2019 I bought a 660 Teneré, ABS version.
Felt like an elephant. 215 kg. Top heavy.
I hated it.
Sold it after only 2 months.
The T7 is a flawed design.
Engine sits to high in the frame due to the oil pan beeing a street style type.
Lazy Japanese engineers did not bother to redesign the engine with a flat bottom for adventure purpose.
Aprilia redesigned their 660 for the purpose.
Now riding a 2021 KTM 890 Adv R.
33000 km. Not a single issue so far.
Fair enough! Enjoy your rides!
Hey Palvin, the XT660 is vibe free compared to my DR650. To ride highways I would choose the XT660 over the DR650 any day. I just did not get used to the T7 being taller and being more top heavy. My mates love their T7's.
I have to agree that DR650 is much worse!
Your videos really look super honest, Ijust finished the airoh video and decided not to buy it as my next helmet (i have the LS2 explorer and got me dissapointed). Nevet the less, i just wanted to sayaguesa thanks and confirm that everything that you have said about the t7 its true, i have one and love it.
Glad you like them!
Changed the gearing on mine. Cruises at 70 mph at just under 5k revs. Added one on the front and lost 2 or 3 on the back. Did this after remap gave it loads more go and de cat exhaust.. A big thanks to Geoff at Hilltop motorcycles at Hinckley UK for stonking results after remapping lots of my bikes. Had my low capacity Honda CRF 300 rally done and thought it couldn't make much difference but blimey you can certainly notice the difference.. Much more go . But getting back to Tenere it needed higher gearing as it wanted to wheelie all the time, ok if you are younger than me. But old git that rides a bit heavy on the throttle. Then did a de snorkle air filter cap and high flow filter and its like an old school pre euro restrictions bollocks proper bike tons more performance and better fuel economy.
I was looking for a dyno guy. Hinkley isn't far from me I'll check him out.
What sort of power did you end up getting?
T7 just needs a touch more get up and go for me then it'll be perfect
@@adamlee581 Hilltop Motorcycles is a round trip of about just short of nearly 400 miles for me. All on boring motorways. I I keep doing it every time change bike and mates as well. Its worth the trip and the costs.
Thanks for the info!
@@motorcycleadventures what I meant to say is the long ride there and you have a full feel of what your bike is capable of. Every ride home is with stupid big grin on face. Cannot give you exact figures as costs more to put on rolling road but you don't need too. Seen superbike racers dropping bikes off at hinkley and Geoff at TT doing top racers bikes.
Understand!
I would be very interested in your opinion about the new V-Strom 800DE and how it compares to the T7, seeing you have have ridden it for so many km.
Will you review it at some point in the future?
Thank you for your great videos!
I will when I have the chance. Thanks for taking the time!
Pavlin, have you seen the acerbis 23ltr tank for the t7?
Not needed for us in europe imo but its an option.
Also camel adv have some excellent heavy duty replacement side panels now.
Cheaper than oem parts if you need replacements
I know about Acerbis tank, but as I said I have zero interest. Heavy duty panels are good option, but they don't ship to Bulgaria.
Hello from Greece my friend :) just bought a VFR 800 RC46 finnally. :) Looking forward to meet you sometime we are close :)
Have fun!
wind protection is what keeps me for going fast with the old lady. not vibrations. those extra hp are nice but when i go 6-7k rppm she`s way faster than most cars, so we good. 1 extra gear iit is what s missing on the old lady, but it is not such a big deal
Thanks for sharing!
Got my Favorited drink Pavlin ... Lets go !!
🤣
Thanks, man!
@@motorcycleadventures Good comparison. I'm old, so gonna stick with my trusty old 660, as the vibration keeps me awake 🤣🤣
Fair enough!
@@motorcycleadventures Look forward to seeing how many more miles the 700 will do.
Nice video! I have one question for you! Which one is the more manageable for an offroad beginner (very experienced on road).
On one hand, a smooth modern engine, but I feel slightly bigger or bigger feeling. Might overwhelm a beginner.
On the other hand, a bulletproof bike. Rugged and solid but an engine less smooth.
I already have that old engine in my XTX so I know it's limitations...but it's also a fun engine!
I tried the NX500 today, because I believe you don't need a big bike.
The engine wasn't terrible (it is good for it's size). wondering if I could get used to it.
Than I got on my XT660X...and my answer was simple immediatly: if it's not as fun as a big thumper...hell no I can't buy it!
Both!
Hi - where did you get the flat seat for the 660?
I made it.
I’ve been contemplating selling my zrx1100 to buy a xt660z or to sell both Zrx and my 40 year old Honda cub and a small loan to buy a T7.
Think I now have the answer 😉
Thank you.
Glad to help!
I'll take the new. And have. Vibration comfort safety, are big to me. The rest I can deal with. It's still simple.
Thanks for sharing!
Wwoow he did such a big trip with only 16 liters? This bike will kill the electric market! /s
May I ask you a silly question? Thank you. Can you use the DC power outlet located at the front left to connect directly to a battery tender/trckle charger?
No! It has a 2A fuse. It will blow immediately. It needs to be connected directly to the battery.
Thank you so much for your reply, it is truly appreciated! @@motorcycleadventures
Hi! What type of bash plate do You have on the Tenere 700? :)
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Any information when the new 2024 Yamaha T7 come to Europe (Slovakia)? Have to change my CRF 300L to something more "adventure" and T7 is what I prefer. I watched your trips with no big problems the choice is simple Yamaha T7.
Cannot say anything.
50 percent 👍 like
Thanks for watching!
any particular reason You decided to go acerbis instead of barkbusters?
Like them more.
It looks like the French army is still using their 660's from 2015. It's coming up to 10 years, so I wonder if they're thinking about renewing...
Cool!
Здравствуйте! Что скажите стоит ли брать 660 tenere? Спасибо с Уважением 👍🤝
Ну да, конечно!
🙏👍👌
That’s 100% subjective and depends on one’s definition of “better”.
Agree!
Ich denke ich behalte vorerst meine XT660ZA mit derweilen 7500km von 2015.
Bitte!
🆒😎👍!
Thanks for watching!
In my opinion, Tenere 660 is a much better motorcycle.🙏🏼☺️
Fair enough!
@@motorcycleadventures 🙏🏼❤️
Sorry mr but i must ask... What is YOUR favorite drink??
Tea
Tenere 700 ist too BIG!
660 ist perfect in size!
Fair enough!
too big? it's the same size
66tkm in 2 years ... man, do you ever get off? 😀
39,000 are done in my last trip
Have 2 660 2010 one off road & one daily, would to buy all for one 700, but don't like motor, true easiest, no characters, too easy. Not pilot it, just road with it :(
Fair enough!
Tubeless wheels?
No!
@@motorcycleadventures sorry but thats it for me a big negative.and dangerous situation in case you have a fkat tyre with 80 100 120 km .of course you have big experience and you know the negatives.im finding a big plus of cfmoto 450mt that having tubeless wheels.thank you anyway
Fair enough!
Where do u get ( even used - in OK condition ) the 660 today ?! - they are out of production - very few are on sale - and if yes, then with maaaaany km ! In No-way I found NONE !!! Not even ONE !!!
A few years ago I had an opportunity to buy a good one, but I didn't - which I do REGRET now 🤢
The T7 - I didn't like so much. Sitting pos. on the 660 was better ( for me ). The Tuareg is better by all means ( except the 42000 km between valve checks ), to my taste, so I bought a Guzzi V85..... 🤣🤣
Thanks for sharing!
660 as
Intrusive Vibes begin at 5000rpm.
This only happens in single cylinder engines where the manufacturer decided to spare the balancer shaft😒
Nothing we can do about it!
@@motorcycleadventures
BUT All the advantages of one cylinder
especially this one "POM POM POM POM"
6:25
What can you do?
Pavlin asks Yamaha for a balance shaft, and receives it in the 2024 model👍🍺
If you have this choice, you are happy. My dream is T7 becames to Brasil, but the comunists don’t leave us in peace with their ESG noise and emissions regulation. A shame, a disgust.
Sorry to hear it!
Yamaha napravi jedan zaista pouzdan motor, Suzuki dva, Honda 14..😉
Ok
Tenere which has without XT engine is not tenere.
700 is also xt. XT690
@@motorcycleadventures nope. Tenere 700 has CP2 engine like tracer has. This bike should be named as YAMAHA TRACER X... not Tenere
❤🇷🇸
Thanks for watching!
Totally wrong information. T7 World Raid 220kg wet (23L fuel tank). T7 regular 205kg wet (16L fuel tank). Actual difference in weight between two is around 8kg, when you divide extra 7L fuel that WR has. Of curse, better (longer) suspension, wider footpegs, steering stabilizer...comes with small price of weight. I haveWR and my buddy has T7 normal, baerly feel any difference in weight.
The difference is 15 kg. This is my entire luggage. On my last trip, I needed extra fuel for only one day. Keep in mind that 95% of people will never need extra petrol and won't notice this 2cm suspension travel, especially with the stock springs. The pros that you listed here, this 7 liter, 2cm suspension travel, wider footpegs, and steering stabilizer, do not justify the extra weight, and the additional 2,000 euros price for me. For 200 euros, I upgraded my suspension, and it is way better than yours now, even with the lower travel. The stock pegs are fine and can live without a steering stabilizer. You don't need to agree with me, just ride whatever you like.
again, your info is totally wrong. Neither difference is 15kg, nor 20kg (as you said in video). Its actually around 8kg (dry weight difference).@@motorcycleadventures
Did you ever rode your motorcycle dry?
Sorry to say, but your recent clips are very personal and not very generalised for public consumption
Fair enough!