My Homemade 10,000W Ebike! (Sabvoton72150)
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- čas přidán 25. 02. 2021
- Overview that so many have asked for! The bike uses a Sabvoton 72v 150a speed controller with 2x 20000mah 6 cell batteries. QS V3 5000W 3.5T motor capable of up to 14000W. All mounts are custom made and wheel was laced by hand. Frame is a Trek 3 series. Capable of up to 60 mph, 50+ mile range, and insane acceleration!
Batteries - Turnigy 20000mah 6s batteries from HobbyKing tinyurl.com/3fp4uu9a
All other components from cloudsto.com
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Sorry guys, 3.5T is for higher speed and lower torque
Cant you use a much smaller VESC 75/300??
Bruhh.... You need to upgrade the brakes..
If my son would built something like this I would be proud of him!
I wish my parents would fund me doing this😂
@@Louis-lu5wh same :D
my dad kicked me out for buying my own car with my own hard earned money when i was 17.
Be glad not. Proud not
@@Louis-lu5wh same
This is fire Son! I’m a middle aged kid and want to build a bike like this when I grow up ;) “If you’re having bike problems I feel bad for you Son, I got 99 Problems but the E-Bike ain’t one!” If I was your dad I’d be so proud, I’d have a tear in my eye! ;) Would you be willing to put direct links to each individual part in the build, ie break down all parts in the description? I would love to mimic your build.
*Works great my **Latest.Bike** I have a bad knee so I still get exercise but the bike assists me. I am a big guy so I didn’t think it would go as fast but it works great.*
You are awesome bro. Very creative. Must be a hoot to ride.
Congrats.
Hay I built a 52v treck Marilyn 5 with a 1200w motor the current set up I get 35mph and a range of honest 10-12 miles. The battery is 52v 13h with an out put of 30 amp. I call it my little monster, love the build keep up the good work👊👊👊
Awesome build mate. I am using 18s Lipos (6s x3) and it is amazing! Now I am saving to add one more 3s pack to go to 21s for top speed.
Try it. You will go even faster. Just be sure to upgrade to hydraulic disc brakes 203mm all around...
Cheers
Great work !!!
I see you dawwwggg! Great job I love it!
Its nice built you made everything perfect.happy for you i enjoy watching.
except stopping power
Insane!!! Good job!
Nice work dude greetings frome germany
coolest E-Bike ever seen :D
Oh yeah for sure looks solid af
Thanks for the share man!
Du hast es in die Deutschen Medien geschafft!
Good job
You killed it 😂😂😂 love the bike
Bad Ass controller BAD ASS 🤯
This is my lil bro, hes seriously the nxt tesla/shelby/Mac Guyver, this is old,he's on a new level now,He's gonna be a Billionaire Boss soon to come.No Cap.Still in high school too.
Greetings from Germany. You are in the German News. Nice Job.
Nice 6s cells
Bro your awesome 😎
My respect for the bike 📈📈📈
Well, thats a pretty working build I would say xD. The 3,5 turns of your QS is for high speed and low torque, the higher turns will get you more torque at lower rpm. Stay safe with those Lipos and dont go offroad, if you crash it probably will explode xD. Nice low budget street build 👌
Thanks Dad
2 6s batteries = 12s, 12s * 3.6V is 43.2V, 43.2V * 150 is only 6,480w. Still very powerful, but not quite 10,000w unless I'm missing something.
Also, I don't think that controller can burst 350A, 350A is the max phase current which is the current between the controller and the motor.
Other than those two things, I love the build.
Budget builds are the best
You can fit way more battert just by laying them on their side. Looks like you could get 4 maybe 5. You could also make your box bigger and get WAY more range.
ok question about it that you didn't cover.. what kind of range do you get with this at what level of power. it looks like a decent replacement for a motorcycle or moped - i'd probably want to update the frame though.
So I can reach 50+ miles driving it normally (some fun, but not too much). It definitely is a great alternative to that! I's switching to an enduro frame soon.
500 watts is the limit for dealers selling bikes to the public .Running a aftermarket 10000watt hub motor isn't illegal. Going faster than 32km is. Daymak em2 with 10000 watt hub, Goodyear rubber,new rear monoshock and fun times
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hey what size dropout is that meant for, I’m sure that bike isn’t 150mm. So is that you have to run one gear and it will fit? Also, are you bending the chain stays apart to make room?
Nice build. Only thing I'd want to add are disc brakes.
definitely a must for a bike this fast yes
I'm looking to do a similar build.. Few questions though.
That controller is huge. Is there anything else comparable that takes us less space? Same with the batteries. Are those lithium batteries?
I'd like to fit and enclose everything into the center triangle of the frame.. Or maybe mount the controller on a rack over the rear wheel.
If you could do it over, what would you do to make it better?
It's a great bike though. Looks like a blast to ride. :). Thanks for the videos
Awesome! The controller is very large, not without reason though. If you want smaller, look into kelly controllers and phase runners. These are lithium batteries yes. I would make the battery box fit my third battery for 72v if I could do it again. I’m honestly very happy with it though.
Did you put by your self the motor to the wheel ?cause i found the motor separate in stores and if i bought it with the wheel i must change also the rear fork to fat bike size
What are the specs of the battery how long does it last? Where did you get your batteries from?
Nice build! Question u didn’t address tho, how did you fit that motor into 135mm dropouts (which that Trek 3500 has, to my knowledge)? Seems like the 3500 also has an aluminium frame, so bending them to 150mm wide wouldn’t work.
I actually filed out the slots to fit the motor. I also had to bend the frame to fit the motor. Sounds bad, but I haven’t had issues. Great question!
@@AllThingsElectric_ Wow, I can’t believe you were able to fit that motor that way! I’ve been looking for a steel frame to fit a 150mm motor in but I couldn’t due to the bike shortage happening right now. Using a spare aluminium I have would be so much easier. Did you have to cold set the dropouts or did you just force the wheel inside while bending the frame?
@@burnner307 i was wondering the same thing. this dude has shown it can be done, i guess its up the the user if its safe enough, i think it will be fine as long as there is room for at least 1 small gear in the back. i want my bike to still look like a bike lol and peddle home if there is a problem
What method did you use to bend out the frame? Awesome. Talk about necessity is the mother of invention. I want to do this to my old trek bike with break pads ;)
Is that a 19 inch rim?
Nice Video / Tutorial. Love it. I'll try to build the same, but it's highly illegal in Germany but ohhhh guys I want this so hard 😂😭😍
Can you upload a Video with Instructions? A how to build this setup - Video
Τhe motor ,as i checked is 15cm ,how much is the rear fork to put it?
With spacers to fit in the fork must be 17cm from the inside?
Thank you
How's your dropouts holding up? I've installed a 3kw kit on my giant trance and my motor came out as those torque arms did not hold up, currently making some clamping torque plates
They’ve been great. Got two torque arms that have kept the dropouts solid.
If those dropouts fail, those torque arms won't be much help. I'd strengthen the dropouts because 150 amps going through such a small area will eventually break it and you won't enjoy the outcome. Hope it all works out well for you.
It's been holding up very well so far, and now I am pushing about 14kW. Wouldn't be a bad idea though!
Is this layout safe?
Hi, im trying to spec out a build like this but I cant figure out how to decide the right spoke length to order to fit my existing rims, how did you find the correct length for your wheel build?
I measured the distance from hole to hole and added a few mm
They have sizes 20inches to 29. Good luck.
just one more question lol: will at least a single gear fit back there? i am happy to see you managed to fit that wheel on your bike, as i suspect its a 135mm wide, but the wheel is 150mm, right?
i ask all this stuff because i think i am about to order this stuff and build it soon, but i may go with four 6s lipos in series for some series speed lol. we will see, but $800 in batteries is going to hurt a bit lol
Yea I actually planned on putting on a single speed freewheel. I have one to put on. The wheel is a 26” rim. Batteries are super expensive!
@@AllThingsElectric_ indeed they are.
hows the trail climbing power on your rig? i thought if i got a big enough motor i would have both torque for hill climbs in the woods on trails, and high speed on the road.
i really appreciate your video, your video is the only one where i see such a large setup on such a small bike, which is my plan as well. do you plan to make any changes to your bike besides adding the rear gear? any regrets? my fear is that the rear fork cant handle the power. but time will tell lol and i can always weld some reinforcement.
i want to pack the most power and battery i can on this bike and still look like a bike so i can ride in places i probably shouldnt lol
This video is one of the best and greatest on the entire internet, because it shows an extreme motor on a regular mountainbike hardtail frame. Bikes with 1'000 or 2000 Watt, Stealth, "Motorcycles" and so on are plenty here on YT, but something like this is rare.
Question: Is the motor the 5'000 Watt one? For which frame dropouts is this motor - not for 135 mm?
Thank you! That was my goal! I haven't seen people put this kind of power on a frame like this (for good reason). I thought it would be interesting. It saves a lot of money, but is quite dangerous. Not sure about the motor dropout, although they are larger than the actual frame.
What W battery are you using with the 5000w wheel. Just wondering. (I allready know what V it is but wondering what W the battery is because I'm making a bike at home).
Well they’re 48v and can deliver 200a so 9600w
Is that allowed in the USA? In Germany is the max speed 25 km/h😂😂
Don't forget the S- Pedelecs with 45 km/h..this is also allowed but you have to ride on the street and wear a helmet (I worked in a bike shop) :))
It is allowed where I am...
It's legal everywhere as long as they don't catch you
@@ciniss Thank you.
No
Can you make more videos with this bike? I would really like to see it with 72 volt battery.
Yep! I’ll be buying a frame that can support 72v soon
I have the same setup with the 72v battery I can hit 74mph
What happens if you do a full stop on 5th?
Breaking is just as important as power and stability.
Regen does an amazing job. I can adjust it too. Brakes aren’t as bad as you may think.
@@AllThingsElectric_ Sounds cool. I'd be too scared to try it out myself, before seeing someone else trying it a couple of times in front of my eyes tho. However, Kudos to you for an amazing job. \o
@@AllThingsElectric_ Cant you use a much smaller VESC 75/300??
How much did all of that cost you? Like the motor, controller and the batteries
Motor - $535
Controller and screen setup w/brakes - $548
Batteries - $600
Spokes, Rim, and Install - around $200
Total = $1883
@@AllThingsElectric_ thanks
Where do you buy the motorized wheel and the sabbato. Controller from? Amazing speed from 44v
cloudsto.com
Hi there, All Things Electric: How steep can you ride uphill and how far can you ride uphill? Does motor get hot and stop when riding too long uohill? Which capacity of a 72 Volt Lithium battery would you think would work fine? Thank you for replying.
The bike has never failed on a hill, and has always had more than enough power to get through any situation. The motor is always cool to the touch also. 20Ah seems to be a sweet spot for me, but def could always use more.
So is it possible to fit one of these kits into a regular mtb dropout? What would I need to do apart from get rid of the casette? Would i have to get rid of the rear disc?
thats where i am at the moment, it seems like that moter is for a 150mm fork, but this guy's fork appears to be 135mm. maybe its fine to bend/stretch the metal a bit on the fork, it would be about 1/4 inch too small on each side unless you pry it in there i think. i noticed several washers on his moter "axel". also, i would rather use my 7 speed cassette, but there is no room and the kit does come with a single speed, which would be better than nothing assuming it all fits and works. did you get this figured out?
No just get a 3 speed freewheel if you want some gears and you can have disk brakes in the rear but you will have to stretch the frame a bit to fit the qs205
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Haha and I thought my old ebike looked sketchy! Jk this is my kinda style 😁Love it!
Also a 0-30 and 0-60 video would be cool
Thanks bro! Love ur vids. I’ll most likely get an enduro frame at some point.
What kind of frame is it?
Steel?
I build myself a 1500w rearhub ebike. It was just a normal mtb with aluminum frame..
Now im planning to build myself anorher one.. and offcourse it must be bigger better faster than my previous build..
But im not sure if a regular aluminum frame is save enough to do so..
I have a steel frame wich i can use, and steel should be stronger..
Im not sure what kind of engine is possible for a steel frame..
Yep this is a steel frame. I would suggest steel unless you build the aluminum frame strong.
Love the build! But quick question... why are you pedaling when you don't have a chain? XD lol
So people think it's a bike ;)
So you brought the hub separate and built the 26 wheel or buy as one piece?
I built the wheel
how much total did everything cost you? and do you have a tutorial anywhere?
If you need to ask for a tutorial for this you probably shouldn't build something like that dangerous.
Ran me about $1700 without the frame, as I already had the mountain bike to work with. Unfortunately I did not film a tutorial, but my next build will have one. Sub to stay updated!
@@Scootertuner420 i remember several people told me that when i asked for torque specs on my vehicles transmission bell housing bolts. tranny shop wanted $3000 to "rebuild" tranny, i tore it apart and found it just needed a pump and torque converter. this was in a 4wd suv, i bought the pump used on ebay for $75 and the converter new for $200, its been perfect ever since and that was 4 years ago. i used to hire people to change my oil and work in IT, i will never understand why people try to be gate keepers with shit they dont own, arrogance comes to mind.
@@jasonbrown467 Well I don't want to keep the gate. In this case I'm just concerned for the security, because building an ebike is super easy, but those Chinese stuff lacks in a lot of security features, unlike cars.
Also such strong motors and heavy batteries on such a cheap bike frame is more likely just to work as a proof of concept and will break the frame after a while.
@@Scootertuner420 lol fair enough, all good points btw. also, the gentleman who made this video is claiming his bike is 10kw, yet is is only running 44v and i suspect his controller is only able to sustain 100amps, this would put his bike at 44x100=4400watts. its still really good, but its less than half of his claims, but i always like seeing people, especially young people so interested in and ambitious about things that involve hands and brains, as these are the people who contribute more to society than they likely realize. none the less we all got to start some where
What size are your batteries? I have a 72V 3000w and I'm wanting to use 2 36v, 100amp hour batteries will that work?
That would be one killer battery! Yes it would work
A little question which came up, discussing this bike with a friend: He told me, that if the batteries run empty, the electric motor would be a big resistance and it would slow you down really fast (in an unhealthy way). I replied to him, that the computer should take care of it but i couldn't find out how it operates. Do you have any experiences regarding this problem? :D Best wishes from germany!
Yes, the motor would provide resistance to the wheel if there was no power directed to it. Not necessarily unhealthy if the bike is powered on, since spinning the wheel would generate power back into the batteries. But yes if the bike were completely dead it would slow the bike down very fast.
Grin technologies have a virtual freewheel that addresses this, but yes it is a real issue with hub motors.
If u cant disengage it, it will be like having a break on. Perhaps
I felt little bit lonely while watching this video . There was no person in that place!
Hello, I have a 3t 50h 5000w motor, it has a 72v 80A controller and runs at 85km / h with a 26 "wheel, if I put a 150A sabvoton controller, will it run faster?
I believe that if you get the higher amperage controller, you will get more torque. Now you may get slightly more speed, but will mainly see a torque increase. Speed depends on Voltage.
6:47 They're v-brakes, you're technically correct but you can have cable disc brakes
Wow... I gotta check Cloudsto. I could use a highly-paid mechanic to make sure my build is right. Are you in the SE USA or anywhere near Atlanta ?
I’m very close to Atlanta! Yep!
That 3.5t shifts😁
What voltage were you running on the tests?
These clips are all on only 48v
yep it shows 48 volts the 2 tonight 20000mah 2 batterys 22.2v each. 44.4 volts fully charged 4.2x12 eqauls 50.4 volt those batterys are 2 6s batterys or 12 cells total
Hi how can your 48V battery handle that many amps? I thought you need 72V 150BMS battery for that
Since these are high discharge lipo batteries, they can safely pull 200 amps
were can if the battery pack
Just let a little air out the rear tyre for suspension
and better traction . . . imo I think these bikes need motorcycle spec tires and hope everyone stays safe
sorry getting in to electronics when you run these in seris does this create a 44v 20ah battery or a 22v 40ah battery thanks man
Series always adds the voltage and keeps the capacity constant.
@@AllThingsElectric_ so would this be 44v 20ah?
is cloudsto website down?
Good job did you ever fit a rear gear set
I have not yet
Und das mit Felgenbremsen😬
Most important question wasn't answered. Till which speed, can you do power-wheelies?
The bike can. Can I? Workin on it...
Could you list the spoke measurement needed to fit that motor on a 26in rim 🤔
Great question. I’m not sure if I have the exact measurement anymore but I’ll try to find it.
@@AllThingsElectric_ thnx, would really appreciate it
What's the complete cost nice custom build I have a rad city 750v heavy monster bike too slow now a I have all aluminum single speed bike I want to customize for work cheers!!!
Go fast
hello i also want to diy my bike with this motor and batteries what charger will i need to charge all 3 batteries and how long will it take? Because i am 40 km away from work so i would like use my bike for it but 30km and then work and then back home i would be very tired when i get home so i nedd a cheap and fast e bike with some good capacity
I usea 500W drone battery charger that charges at about 12 amps. Only a couple hours for a full charge.
hola yo tengo un motor 3t 50h 5000w, tiene puesto un controlador de72v 80A y corre a 85km/h con rueda de 26", si le coloco un controlador sabvoton de 150A podra correr mas rapido?
Jaja mas rapido. Quieres volar o que. Jaja
are you using flux weakening to get 60mph or what because I'm doing a similar build and wanted to know if i could achieve 60mph on it with a 48v system running with a 3.5t ebike motor any suggestions greatly appreciated.
I believe I am, but I’m not sure. All I know is I had fully charged batteries, a main road, minimal wind resistance, and clenched fists. Speedometer was calibrated and read 56.7 mph.
@@AllThingsElectric_ oh okay but do you think my build will be able to 50mph with 48v with a sabvoton 72150 controller and a qs 205 3kw 3.5t motor?
@@jonathanbrunache3848 good question. Most likely yes. I was about to go with a 3kw motor, but I would have eventually wanted more power, so I went with a 5kw motor.
@@AllThingsElectric_ thanks so much this helps a lot
@@jonathanbrunache3848 ofc man
looks like the batteries are out, are there other brands available?
Not sure actually, you would have to search around. I only got these batteries so I could use them with other projects, but I recommend making a custom Lithium Ion pack.
I want to put on my bicycle qs 273 8000w But I didn't find 27.5, 28, or 700c
How much would it cost to build it? I want one but don't wanna spin thousand's. Awsome video
Around $1100
Since you have two 22.2V, 20AH batteries does that make a 44.4V battery with 40AH? If you were to put three of these batterys together would it be a 66.6V, 60AH battery? If so that is a steal for only $650.
The two batteries are in series, meaning their voltage will add up and the capacity will be the same as one battery. In a series connection, the capacity of the battery remains constant.
Bro, you need disc brakes, preferably hydraulics. I use Meroca M4"s, they are cheap and good! Be safe!!
Wouldn't that get Hella hot to the point where it would melt the phase wires?
This controller actually runs extremely cool. After riding heavily, it is still cool to the touch.
The link to the parts is down.
Im running 5000watt same wheel with a 80a controller 72v40ah battery 84v fully charged .. sw900 display im getting 45mph what do i need to do to get it doing 60mph ?
Shunt mod
@@dahman9672 does that give me more top end mate?
Gives u more all round watch some videos first make sure to put some protective material underneath before proceeding
@@dahman9672 cheers mate yes I no how to do It I just thought I wouldn't get more top end I'm building a new bike now with a fardriver controller... But I'm gonna give it ago on my old bike cheers buddy
You said you got 2x20000mah are these 2x52v 20000mah? I am thinking about buying this set up I have one 52v 20000mah battery would just need to buy 1 more.
they are two 22v batteries nominal
with two 52v batteries you would have to wire them In parallel so your capacity will double, unless you mod your controller to take over 100V
Are you still running these batteries? just want to know how they are holding up.
yes i am! I have 3 of these batteries, and unfortunately one cell (in one battery) is much lower than the others. Lipos can be pretty difficult sometimes.
@@AllThingsElectric_ I have a couple more questions. What charger are you using and can you charge them all at once? And how long does it take to fully charge. Thanks for replying love the videos.
Have you thought about getting disk brake converters? U can buy em for like 5$ online
I have indeed. The frame would not fit disk brakes, however. I also use regen braking so it's not terrible.
Are those two batteries equivalent to 48v
Yes they are two 6S batteries in series
I'm wondering if its a geared hub motor??
No gears
Fucking hell. You might consider selling powerfull ebikes. Looks like a lot of fun.
Do you a use a fuse or circuit breaker?
I do not, but it’s definitely a good idea that I recommend.
So this is only running off 44v in this video? Not understanding what your battery situation is. I see the two 22v but I know you're saying 72v.
Yes, in this video I am running two 6 cell LiPo batteries in series, so 48V. The bike handles 72V so I give the stats based on that.
@@AllThingsElectric_ wow, then those batteries are the way to go lol. Thanks the reply, helped me decide how to finish up my bike. Batteries are the hardest part.
Okay I know Rim Brakes aren't horrible but 10k Watts? You need hydraulic disc brakes.
I do!
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Looks ghetto af but if it works and you are happy and makes u laugh , it made me laugh and amaze how fast it is. have fun and be safe
Yeah, can you please send me the link for the control box?
People have said they don’t sell this one anymore, but go on Kelly controllers they’ll have it
@@AllThingsElectric_ Is Kelly controllers an app, or a website?