2017 ULTRA CLASSIC 107 GETS A FEULING 465 CAM AND RINEHART DUAL EXHAUST ON A MILWAUKEE 8
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- čas přidán 24. 08. 2024
- IN THIS VIDEO WE INSTALL A 465 FEULING CAMSHAFT AND A RINEHART HEADER EXHAUST SYSTEM ON A HARLEY DAVIDSON MILWAUKEE 8. WE ALSO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCES IN THE ORIGINAL 2017 OIL PUMP AND THE CURRENT UPGRADED 2020 OIL PUMP THAT'S RECOMMENDED FOR FOR A STAGE 2 KIT AND UP PERFORMANCE KITS.
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This is the best instruction video I've ever seen on youtube.
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Wow! Long job! I bet you were tired when you were done. Well done, thanks again, Brad.
Yeah..🙌..thanks you..Sir ❤👍
Man these are some of the best videos done so professionaly and detailed. Thanks Brad you are amazing.
I did this upgrade with a Red Shift 468 new oil pump and the S&S lifter cuffs. The one thing I noticed rolling the engine over to center the oil pump was it sucked oil immediately. Your videos are great, thank you.
Thanks for the compliment!!👍
Good work!
Really liked the unedited step by step stage 2 video, will be doing my bike soon .
A little tip - reinsert the short end of the cut pushrod back into the lifter cover so you can see the lifters moving to find the base circle for the second cylinders pushrods to cut. That way you don't have to stick your fingers in the lifter block holes.
You are at the best dam dealership in America, I am gonna have to check it out this summer, I will be riding home after Sturgis, plan on buying a road king. It would be cool to get one from my home town have you do some upgrades then ride it back to Florida. Take care
I really enjoyed watching this video, you're a damn good mechanic,keep up the good work bro
Thanks for the complement!
This is an amazingly clean and pro work mate, congratulations and thank you also for the perfect video shooting. Looking forward to the upcoming posts of yours.
Thanks for the complement and the view!
Well done! Your videos are to the point and well explained.
Thanks for the compliment and the view!
Very informative and well done video. Thank you for taking the time to make it. It probably added hours to the normal time it would normally take you to do the cam and exhaust change.
Moving the camera around while doing the job doesn’t really add that much time. The editing is where it really takes a lot of time. Thanks for the view and compliment.
Well done...Thanks
Thanks for the view!
That was a lot of work. Thank you.
Hey Brad just found your channel and am enjoying the videos I live up north in Alpena. Just bought an '02 Electra glide classic and was watching your cam tensioner videos. Planning on doing that soon. Thanks for making them it helps a lot of people
Welcome aboard!
Good Video. Thanks for sharing. I’ve done probably 10 twin cams and will be doing my first M8 cam swap this weekend. So when you don’t remove the lifter box it’s really not a big deal because the lifter will only go in as long it’s aligned with that bar. I can’t remember the name of thabut glad to learn that.
Yes. I use screaming eagle assembly lube and lube the lifter bore from the cam chest, that way the lifter doesn't want to slide back down before you stick th he cam in. Yes, when you slide the lifter in from below you rotate it until it slides into the anti-rotation plastic thingy. It slides in super easy. If you do it from above like a normal, the Milwaukee 8 has a bolt that retains the plastic lifter anti-rotation thingy and that bolt alot of the time is tight as frig! I've even had it break off before. That's when I realized I could go in from below and avoided all the hassle.
After cutting the pushrods on my Evo motor, I cut myself very strong in my fingers, because I've tried to loose them and the cutting edges were sharp as razor blades. Be very careful with them, if you try it the first time by yourself.
Great video. So deep. Everyone loves when it’s deep 😂.
Thanks
Awesome instructional video
Thanks!
Great content.
Thanks.
Brad, in the past i use a rubber band and paperclip on the pushrod tubes while adjusting. keeps them out of the way.
I've seen others do that do. I havent ever tried it tho. One day I'll give it a shot.
Thank you for answering virtually every question your viewers submit -- that's rare. Here's another: have you seen any OE lifter anti-rotation cuffs on a Milwaukee 8 that looked worn or on the way to failure? Thanks Brad.
I haven't seen any loose or damaged anti-rotation cuffs on Milwaukee 8s. They seem to be holding up really well. In my experience the seem to grip the lifter tighter than the anti-rotation pin setup on twin cams.
Answering the questions is the easy part. The way CZcams organizes the comments is sometimes confusing and I see a question one minute and then I'll come back to answer it and it's gone and I cant find it. Then other times I'll have to go to the actual video to re-find it. It seams like it's getting easier to use tho so it's probably just me. Lol
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard It's possible that the questioner deleted the question before you had time to post the reply. I admit that I did that a few days ago because I watched the video again and realized you had clarified the matter near the beginning. It had to do with installing the cam bearing.
Haha. Ya. I remember seeing that one. Maybe that's what's going on.
Thanks for sharing
Very good moment .👍
my fingers are cramping watching you spin those pushrods! . .from cam supplier channels . . try a paperclip and rubber band to hold those pesky tubes up! Luv the vids thx.
Your attention to detail is almost unheard of in this day. What dealership do you put your skills to work?
Thanks! I'm at Motor City in Farmington hills MI
Picked up this cam during the holiday, amd be tossing it in next winter. Nice to know I can get the updated oil pump for my 17 SGS when I do this. Good to see the things I was thinking to add are what you do as well ( tappets, pushrods) I'll prob do the S&S cuffs and either go with RC Tormentor header or Cobra powerchamber to pair with my TaB 4.5s.
Sounds great!
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard anything else you recommend besides pushrods, tapets and pump? Bolt in cam so dont think itll need alot. Thanks!
Wandering why the customer wouldn't do the cam plate to match the cam?....as well as the oil pump....have an all fueling cam chest....I guess people just don't know
Meow that was a proper Wizard video and I enjoyed the adult jokes about going in dry and lubing the tip. 😋 When I installed my cam with about 800 miles on the M8, I reused the stock solid push rods. It was more work but I am just not a fan of adjustables. I understand why Harley would push the adjustables though as time is money in your profession. Haha
Right on. Thanks for the compliment!! I hadn't heard from u in a while, Glad your still enjoying my vids!!
Indeed you are a Wizard! Great tutorial thanks for sharing...liked and subbed!
Thanks for the complement!
Brad, I really appreciate your professional, low key approach to producing videos. They're easy to watch multiple times and I pick up more information with each viewing.
I'm at the age where the warranty may expire on myself before it runs out on my new 2020 FXLR so I'm ready ready to install a Supertrapp 2-into-1 exhaust system and HD stage 1 air cleaner. I'm thinking a 465 cam kit would really complete the bike. Leaning towards sticking with the stock 2020 cam plate and oil pump. If I don't buy a tool to measure pinion shaft runout while changing the cam, do you think that's a mistake?
Also, with the new parts on, how many gentle miles can I safely ride to reach a dyno tuner? My local independent dyno shop uses TechnoResearch and I don't hear much about them. Do you have any opinion?
I wouldnt worry about buying the cam plate tool. Whatever runout your crankshaft has is what it is. Runout is super important in a twin cam oil pump but not as big if a deal in M8s. I haven't seen a milwaukee 8 with a unacceptable runout yet. I double check each one because that's what people expect. I haven't used the 465 cam but the bikes usally run pretty terrible without at least a base map. I haven't personally used the techno research tool to tune. But tuners are usally best using what they like. All the tuner products work bacically the same way, it's the people using them that makes the bike run well. But ya! I'd cam it!
Brad try "ZEP 45" instead of WD-40. It is the best penn oil i have ever used. I found an old can in the bottom of an old tool box. It broke toyota exhaust manifold bolts loose with 200k miles!
Those reinhardt sounds amazing.. don't make the best power.. but sound suberb.
Hey Brad I didn't catch if the fueling cam was on your own bike or a customer was wondering how it ran after the upgrade and what tuner was used thanks Steve
This was on a customers bike. We used the power vision to tune the bike. It ran and tuned in well.
interesting, it looks like they increased the speed of the flow but reduced the volume of flow to make up for the extra speed if what I can see is correct.
Hi Brad, really nice video and explanations. I noticed at the very beginning of your video that you welded the 18mm bung for the O2 sensors. Does it mean you are doing the tune with the autotune pro kit using the wideband O2 sensors and when done you are closing these holes with plugs? It's a pity you don't video record the tuning session using power vision. Keep up the great work.
Hey Brad, I love watching your Harley videos. I pucker up every time I see a 900 lb touring bike move on your lift. I don't see any straps securing the bike. Have you guys there ever had one take off ? It would be tough to catch it.
The front wheel is strapped into the wheel chuck and that holds the bike in well. There's a lot of slop the motorcycle hoist itself so that leads to most of the motorcycle movement. When doing heavy work or when leaving the bike on a hoist overnight, we put a flat jack under it. or if the bike is on a pole hoist then the frame is strapped to the hoist. Early on in my career I had a bike with freshly armored all tires fall off my hoist where the tire wasn't strapped in. It was such a nightmare! you never forget when something like that happens.
Great video, I do have a question...why find overlap on the front cylinder and cut the rear push rods. Can't you just put the rear on the base circle then cut the rear.
Yes. There both accomplishing the same thing.
What size thread chaser did u use? I normally just put the bolt back in so oil doesn't seep back into the bolt holes?
I’m so torn on whether or not to do a hot stage 2 upgrade on my 2022 road king special, or if I just bite the bullet and go for the 131 stage 4. If I do it, I’m gonna keep the bike till the wheels fall off. I already did my stage 1 and I find myself wanting more already
Should have gone with an S&S pump or a fueling
Not sure if I missed it, but do we need to drop the oil out for a Stage 2 cam job?
Brad, Fueling is misspelled.
The long Allen extension? Wouldn’t your bolt torque values be off since your losing torque through the extension?
I haven't found that to be a problem,
Can I ask you how to adjust the push rod tappet?
Planning this on mine soon. Any issues with adjustable pushrods vs. keeping the OEM pushrod s?
Nope. Any bolt in cam will be just fine with adjustable pushrods. No problem.
Hello Brad, I upgraded my cam on my 2017 M8 107 motor to the SE torque cam should I do the new 2020 oil pump and primary vent kit upgrades now? My bike runs good but I do get some clanking when I shift. Thanks
I would do the updates at the same time. no reason not to.
at 46:01 ur comparing ''new'' and ''old'' oil pump bodies and later on the gears for them both.
quick question wen u say ''old'' u mean the stock 107 that came out, the ''new'' one is what part? HD? Aftermarket? whats making it a ''new'' one besides its going into the bike?
By "old" I ment the pump that I removed from the bike, it has a early generation design. And by "new" I mean the 2020 "latest generation" design. Both pumps are harley davidson oil pumps. When upgrading the cam, Harley Davidson recommends installing the latest deighn oil pump. The latest deighn oil pump also comes stock in 2020 models. Thanks for the question.
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard oh yeaaaa. I remember watching a video on a guy doing a cam swap on his 17 ultra and the company doing the swap was prepared to change the oil pump and lo and behold wen they cracked it open they saw 2020 parts inside. They were confused and he said he had an issue and it was fixed earlier.
Nowwwww that makes sense!
Thanks Wiz!
Great Great video sir! I learned a lot! Leave the HD mechanics to the pros! Question, those breather hoses that came with that air filter, will that spit a lot of oil back thru the intake and clog up the pistons or is that a myth? I have same setup on my stage 1 and been debating should I get an external breather or if I ride it a lot and let it warm up before riding will it burn off not to leave carbon build up?
I like the external breather setups. There well worth it.
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard Thanks for the reply sir!
Are the cam chest bolts all the same length ?
yes
If your keeping the original oil pump can you just take out the whole assembly and then put back in after the cam swap? I have a upgraded oil pump already in bike and just wanna swap out cam. Thx brad
yep. you can do that.
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard awesome. Thanks for the fantastic vids. They are in detail. Nothing hidden. Gave me the confidence to do a cam swap. Doing a Wood 22x cam with Wood lifters. Bike is a 19 RGU. Fuel moto set me up. Thx again.
What would you recommend changing on a 2020 road king 114 for engine longevity
keep the engine completely stock and just do slip on.
Hello
I installed a 465c cam on my stock road glide ultra. Now I have sumping problems. What happened?? Map is Fuelpak
If you have sumping problems directly after cam install I was look closely at the oil pump and o-rings.
Hey Brad, I heard you say Michigan in another video I was watching... 131 builds, I was born in Detriot I live in Florida now, what dealership do you work at? I love to watch the upgrades, don't think I would want to try an install I leave it up to Harley techs enjoy the video take care, Go Blue!
Im at Motor CIty Harley in Farmington Hills. 👍
Brad, which is the best way to go on chain tensioner up grades, please
What year bike do you have. Are you planning on any other engine upgrades or keeping the rest of the engine stock.
03 fat boy ,would like to upgrade cams as well
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard i have an 03 fat boy in perfect shape, 2300 miles on it love the bike, don't want to blow it, lots of choices on tensioner upgrades, don't know which is best
I like the s&s cam plate/oil pump/hydraulic tensioner kit. It like it better than the feuling and hd/screaming eagle kits. We normally use the harley davidson/screaming eagle kit because it's a little cheaper to the customer and I'd assume there's better margins profit wise in it for the dealership. But I've used alot of s&s over the years and there kit... the parts are made nicer. The oil pump is better made in my opinion and the camp late also seams nicer and better made and there tensioners are alittle more heavy duty. If it were my money I'd buy the s&s cam plate/oil pump/ hydraulic tensioner kit.
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard thank you so much, love your videos
Did you update the cam plate as well or just the oil pump?
This bike only required the updated oil pump. the cam plate stayed the same.
Awesome, thanks for your quick response. Great videos by the way. Well done.
Great Video! I’m going to be putting on that same header this weekend on my 17 ultra, what size extension do you use to get to those front bolts? Thanks
I use a 1/2 wobble socket on a long 1/4 extension.
I Did the header pipe and it come out great it took me 5 hours I’m so glad I didn’t pay someone. Thanks again for the video it gave me the confidence to tackle it myself. I’m also a east sider from Michigan, Wolverine Harley is about 5 minutes away from me.
Did you have to flash tune or set a canned map before initial firing?
yes
How did you make that lifter air suction tool? I need to make me one
I baught mine from Jim's tools. It was retarded expensive tho. You could easily make it from a Mason jar and put a gutted tire valve stem through the top and it would be bacically the same. Then I just hook it up to my brake bleeder and it pulls a vacume on it.
Why does some push rods require 21/2 turns and others 4 turns???
Thread pitch. Some are fine threads and anyone are corse threads. So a finer threads need more turns to get to the proper adjustment compared to course threaded pushrods.
Just out of curiosity, why not go with the S&S or Fueling cam plate and oil pump?
When I got this particular job no pump was originally quoted, but after double checking things before getting into the project I noticed the Screaming Eagle catalog recommended a updated backing plate for the oil pumps on stage 2 setups. This backing plate was then updated to the newer 2020 pump. So that’s how it happened. Honestly I would much prefer to install a S&s oil pump and cam plate in every bike I do. But it’s usually people wanting to spend the least amount of money. Thanks for the question.
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard ahhh gotcha. I went with the S&S when I did my cam. Just for the piece of mind. But I get it, cash is king!
hey brad so you took out stock sensors and put in 18mm sensors ?are they factory harley?
The 18mm are wideband sensors for the powervision when the bikes up on the dyno.
Nicely done. What are you using as a tuner?
On this vehicle we’re going to be using the Power vision.
Did you ever dyno it and find out what the numbers look like?
Yes. Here is that vid. czcams.com/video/TAHwl8IFMuM/video.html
Still your volume is too low.
Wizard or someone more knowledgeable than I....are able to re-use the original cam plate?
Ya, sure. As long as it's in good shape and not scored or damaged.
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard
Thanks wizard.
Awesome channel man...im a new sub
Can I ask a question please. My mechanic installed a cam set, andrews 57 with hydraulic lifters and adj pushrods. With my dresser dual exhaust it run strong and sounded awesome. Also the red is a s&s stealth air filter and a dynojet pc5. The bike is an 03 cvo road king...so he recently put a bassani rr3 on it and it now has a sort of clacking sound in b the top end of the motor. This was not there before. I thought the pushrods needed tightened and re adj ft on being new. He said the sound is normal its just echoing thru the air filter..????. Now I'm no mechanic but I can turn a wrench, change my own fluids and oils ect...but this just doesn't sound right to me....whats your thought?...hope I was descriptive enough...I've never had a bike with this kind of engine work so I really don't k now but it doesn't sound correct at all...saying that the bike pulls like a steam loco on full tilt man....also it only makes the sound when the bike is at temp and at idle....on the gas it disappears......any advice is greatly appreciated man..thanks
valve train noise is typically around 2000 rpm.With your noise at hot idle. Id check the stabilizer links horn brackets and under tank stabilizer link, engine mounts and all clearances around the engine/trans/primary. valve trains typically become noisy at 2000 or 2500 rpm. But if your noise is at hot idle thats also when the engine is moving around the most in the frame. Maybe something to look into.
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard ....Brad, thank you for responding. Means alkt, ill check into those things you suggested...love your.channel man
Brad how much did it cost to do that job
Sorry I don't talk about the costs as it can very so much.
Why not do all Fueling oil pump, camchest, pushrods, lifters, and cam that’s a win all around in my BS opinion
I agree with that thinking. But I installed the parts the customer wanted to buy. The deals are worked out before I get the parts. 👍
Mr. RUB wants more power on a bike he doesn't ride? Eh, it'll be a good deal for somebody when Mr. RUB trades it in on a "new" bike.
Lol. Maybe. Everybody should buy a cam!!
Where u located in Michigan
I'm at Motor City in Farmington Hills michigan.
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard im in Hillsdale County
@@blackedoutbandit Right on. a little south west of me.
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard just got home with my new 2020 Ultra Limited
Congratulations! What color did you get?
Yeah Harley and lifters still suck. But you need them for the warranty.
A harley davidson mechanic using a cresent wrench???
Ive got a couple. Lol
2:21:33 sound
You do 2.5 hours of work wrenching and only give 1 min of sound...of a cold bike in a garage. Smh
Best upgrades to a Harley is to get rid of allll of the genuine harley parts. Running a stage 4 117 and it’s complete trash.
You’re not old enough to be a wizard
Thank you.
I'm sure FEULING would appreciate it if folks would spell the name of their company correctly, you're certainly not the first to make that mistake though
Thanks for catching that. I double checked before uploading it, apparently my eyes were closed then. Lol.
Less talk, more work.